Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Scoliosis Jones]

I wouldn't be surprised if we just got Mewtwo. But, I also wouldn't be surprised if Genesect replaced Jigglypuff either.



Ugh, recency? He's just as recent as Mega Man.

Maybe. But Mega Man blows Bomberman out of the water in Popularity in regards to Smash. That is what will be his downfall unfortunately.

 

[3Bismyname]

But Mega Man blows Bomberman out of the water

i see what u did there lol.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Maybe. But Mega Man blows Bomberman out of the water in Popularity in regards to Smash. That is what will be his downfall unfortunately.

That's not true. Sonic out blows Snake AND Mega Man.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

I wouldn't be surprised if we just got Mewtwo. But, I also wouldn't be surprised if Genesect replaced Jigglypuff either.






Ugh, recency? He's just as recent as Mega Man.

It's not as much recency as finding a niche in the game, he's not as demanded as Megaman and Sonic, and the current Konami rep, Snake took what would be his niche in what he's good at explosives. I love Bomberman, but between him and Snake. I would personally pick Snake.

 

[PerfectDarkMarc]

Sakurai won't add Krystal for the sake of more females.

Uh she could easily offer a unique moveset with her staff and abilities. No one ever said she would/could be added solely for the sake of adding another female.
If you actually read my post you'd know that. -_-

Noah, don't instigate. It'll lead to more arguments.

And PerfectDarkMarc, while Krystal is unique, I don't see her replacing Falco. Its like replacing Luigi with Peach. And, in all honesty, she doesn't play any other role other than being a female love interest. But that's my opinion. For example, did Peach and Zelda get in because they were love interests to Mario and Link? No, they got in because they were pivotal in the franchise as a whole.

I don't think she will replace Falco either to be honest but I personally feel she SHOULD. Your opinion of Krystal being in for the sole purpose of being a love interest is absolutely ridiculous and unfounded. People need to realize this is a new game. At some point there HAS to be cuts made to make way for new faces. Let's look at the facts. Falco is the epitome of a clone. Krystal is unique and has never gotten a chance to be playable. Out with the old and in with the new already! If you want to play characters like Falco/Toon Link, etc play MELEE and BRAWL! It seriously infuriates me when people refuse to let go of the past. Why play the same damn characters you have been for years with a fresh coat of paint when you could play an entirely new character altogether? Look, I main Wolf and Toon Link in Brawl. I mained Y.Link in Melee. I couldn't care less if none of these made it into the new Smash. Why? Now I may be in the minority here but I am accepting of the fact that in order for new faces to come along vets or not, less VITAL representatives NEED to be let go. Falco falls into this category. While this is my opinion, I know for a fact, many feel the same way.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Maybe. But Mega Man blows Bomberman out of the water in Popularity in regards to Smash. That is what will be his downfall unfortunately.

If anything, MegaMan sent Bomberman to meet up with his brother at the great Taco Stand in the sky.

 

[Hank Hill]

That's not true. Sonic out blows Snake AND Mega Man.

That has nothing to do with the original statement. If Megaman blows Bomberman out of the water, how does Sonic outblowing Snake and Megaman have to do with anything? That would just mean Bomberman is the least likely to get in then.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

That's not true. Sonic out blows Snake AND Mega Man.

That doesn't necessarily mean that Bomberman is in competition with them though. While Sonic blows them out of the water, Bomberman is still leagues behind the other 3.

Sonic and Megaman and their inclusion in Smash is self-explanatory. Snake was a special case. Bomberman has basically nothing going for him at this point. With 3rd party characters, popularity is by far the most important aspect (besides Snake anyway).

 

[Gune]

I just realized something...considering what Victini's ability as a pokeball pokemon would be...do you people realize just how broken he'd be?

It would be like old times when pokemon were gods among men....

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I say Genesect would get in over Zoroark because Zoroark is just a Lucario wanna be. He brings more unique abilities and seems to currently be more promoted. He's still a popular Pokemon and I can't say being a Pokemon more popular than another always gets you in. Jigglypuff was more prioritized than Mewtwo and Genesect could easily be more prioritzed than Jigglypuff as he is popular, promoted, and a newcomer.

That has nothing to do with the original statement. If Megaman blows Bomberman out of the water, how does Sonic outblowing Snake and Megaman have to do with anything? That would just mean Bomberman is the least likely to get in then.

The point is that characters less popular than others have still gotten in over more popular ones. So far Snake has gotten in over others and 3 people have gotten in over Pac-Man. And I say Bomberman's past is what he has going for him. Just like Pac-Man's past is what he has going for him and apparently Mega Man as Sakurai based him off the NES.

 

[Glaciacott]

We have Pikachu, Pokemon Trainer, Jigglypuff, Lucario and Mewtwo.

I don't know why people are so hell-bent on asking for more from Pokemon when we already have 7 playable Pokemon.

 

[Khoru]

saturn, you keep saying sakurai based mega man on the NES.
what would the alternative be?
this?

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Maybe give him time on the forums, that's how I managed to fit right into Smashboarda community, after I had given wrong logic several times when I first joined here.

Well, usually someone upsets the balance of this thread thus provoking other users and distracts the current discussion. I admit to detailing the discussion when Noah was stirring trouble. It's the entire "I'm right, your wrong" mentality.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

We have Pikachu, Pokemon Trainer, Jigglypuff, Lucario and Mewtwo.

I don't know why people are so hell-bent on asking for more from Pokemon when we already have 7 playable Pokemon.

I wouldn't say Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard are full characters, though they come close, and I think Sakurai sees them as separate characters, like Zero Suit Samus and Shiek.

They have no Down B and they have the stamina thing that wears them out if you use one for too long.

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[Hank Hill]

We have Pikachu, Pokemon Trainer, Jigglypuff, Lucario and Mewtwo.

I don't know why people are so hell-bent on asking for more from Pokemon when we already have 7 playable Pokemon.

I think it has to do with one or more of them being potentially replaced. Some people are being hopeful for their favorites and Pokemon is hugely successful...

I wouldn't say Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard are full characters, though they come close.
They have no Down B and they have the stamina thing that wears them out if you one for too long.

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They still take away time for balancing and whatnot. Also, they do have a Down B in that they "transform" similarly to Zelda/Shiek. Sakurai doesn't rush them in as 3 incomplete characters.

 

[Glaciacott]

I know it is, but this isn't Pokemon vs. Smash Bros., and with a limited roster size and so many Nintendo characters to choose from, I don't see how almost a fourth/fifth needs to be pokemon.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

saturn, you keep saying sakurai based mega man on the NES.
what would the alternative be?
this?

The model is a 3D representation of the Sprite from the NES titles. His face resembles it more than his face in other games. Sakurai mentioned he tried to maintain the NES look as a top priority and his move set is based on the NES installments.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Uh she could easily offer a unique moveset with her staff and abilities. No one ever said she would/could be added solely for the sake of adding another female.
If you actually read my post you'd know that. -_-


I don't think she will replace Falco either to be honest but I personally feel she SHOULD. Your opinion of Krystal being in for the sole purpose of being a love interest is absolutely ridiculous and unfounded. People need to realize this is a new game. At some point there HAS to be cuts made to make way for new faces. Let's look at the facts. Falco is the epitome of a clone. Krystal is unique and has never gotten a chance to be playable. Out with the old and in with the new already! If you want to play characters like Falco/Toon Link, etc play MELEE and BRAWL! It seriously infuriates me when people refuse to let go of the past. Why play the same damn characters you have been for years with a fresh coat of paint when you could play an entirely new character altogether? Look, I main Wolf and Toon Link in Brawl. I mained Y.Link in Melee. I couldn't care less if none of these made it into the new Smash. Why? Now I may be in the minority here but I am accepting of the fact that in order for new faces to come along vets or not, less VITAL representatives NEED to be let go. Falco falls into this category. While this is my opinion, I know for a fact, many feel the same way.

Do you honestly think I don't want Krystal because she might replace Falco? I don't give two ****s about the StarFox series. However, I feel Krystal should not get in over Falco because he is more important to the series. Just because you're unique and have a potential good moveset doesn't give you a shoe-in chance. Krystal is just as important as Slippy Toad. If Slippy was a girl, or had any type of cleavage showing, I'd bet my life savings he would be advocated. Its a subconscious thought that goes through Krystal advacators.

And anyone can be cloned or decloned. Its Sakurai. His priority now is to differentiate the roster with unique characters, and if he can make Falco work, he will work.

Edit: and less vital? Falco is as important to the series as Luigi is to Mario.

 

[Khoru]

but that's... the most recent design for him...
they updated him in 7 and 8 but they went back to the original in 9 and 10
although that was
pretty much just for the nostalgia factor....
sigh i'm sorry i'll stop talking now

 

[Arcanir]

Aw, I missed the PMD conversation...

The Mega Man conversation brings up a good question: Which other form of Mega Man would you like as an alternate costume?

 

[Hotfeet444]

Aw, I missed the PMD conversation...

The Mega Man conversation brings up a good question: Which other form of Mega Man would you like as an alternate costume?

Anything but X.

 

[PerfectDarkMarc]

Do you honestly think I don't want Krystal because she might replace Falco? I don't give two ****s about the StarFox series. However, I feel Krystal should not get in over Falco because he is more important to the series. Just because you're unique and have a potential good moveset doesn't give you a shoe-in chance. Krystal is just as important as Slippy Toad. If Slippy was a girl, or had any type of cleavage showing, I'd bet my life savings he would be advocated. Its a subconscious thought that goes through Krystal advacators.

And anyone can be cloned or decloned. Its Sakurai. His priority now is to differentiate the roster with unique characters, and if he can make Falco work, he will work.

Edit: and less vital? Falco is as important to the series as Luigi is to Mario.

How in the hell is Falco more important or integral to the series than Krystal? Because he has been in more games? Newsflash, Falco has always been a "background character" of sorts. As has Slippy and Peppy always been as well. They ALL have taken a back seat to Fox's stardom and focus. Krystal at least played some importance in SFA. Krystal is also heavily requested if memory serves as well. Not that I'd expect someone who, what was it again, "Doesn't give two ****'s about the SF series"? ...to understand that little known fact. You implying that Falco is more important than Slippy is absurd. Explain to me how it is he is more important than Slippy. Clearly you have never played the SF games before.

"If Slippy was a girl, or had any type of cleavage showing, I'd bet my life savings he would be advocated. Its a subconscious thought that goes through Krystal advacators."

Wtf? Presumptous aren't you? I advocate Krystal and I can say with the utmost certainty that such "afore mentioned subconcious thoughts" have never crossed my mind in the past, present, nor will they in the future.

"and less vital? Falco is as important to the series as Luigi is to Mario." - What?! How in the world did you draw THAT conculsion? They are ALL a team. You cannot say Falco is more important to the franchise than Peppy or Slippy. It is becoming increasingly apparent that you know little to nothing about the SF series.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Aw, I missed the PMD conversation...

It's not too late.

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[TheLastJinjo]

How in the hell is Falco more important or integral to the series than Krystal? Because he has been in more games? Newsflash, Falco has always been a "background character" of sorts. As has Slippy and Peppy always been as well. They ALL have taken a back seat to Fox's stardom and focus. Krystal at least played some importance in SFA. Krystal is also heavily requested if memory serves as well. Not that I'd expect someone who, what was it again, "Doesn't give two ****'s about the SF series"? ...to understand that little known fact. You implying that Falco is more important than Slippy is absurd. Explain to me how it is he is more important than Slippy. Clearly you have never played the SF games before.

Krystal's role in SFA doesn't really mean a lot or else she would have replaced Falco in Brawl. And Guess what, she didn't. And if I recall, Falco has a huge role in Starfox Command. Falco is Fox's main man and probably the most beloved character in the Starfox series. People want him over Krystal. Besides, Sakurai doesn't show a lot of recognition or love for Starfox Adventures. And Falco is one of the original members of the starfox crew. The point is Sakurai, Smash Fans, and Starfox fans want Falco more. He's the Luigi of Starfox

DivineDeity? Did you make an alternate account to try to start anew, because if so you're not doing a good job.

 

[Glaciacott]

Aw, I missed the PMD conversation...

The Mega Man conversation brings up a good question: Which other form of Mega Man would you like as an alternate costume?

Alternate costume should be Protoman. Assuming he's not Mega Man's assist trophy.

 

[Gune]

Aw, I missed the PMD conversation...

The Mega Man conversation brings up a good question: Which other form of Mega Man would you like as an alternate costume?

It would atleast make me feel better about ML3 being canceled.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Interesting...turns out the creators of Starfy are the same ones who made Mischief Makers. Anyone fancy some shake-shake with Marina Liteyears?

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Legends Mega

I'd find that very hard to see as being the same height and having the same hitboxes as the short, child-like Mega Man in Smash Bros.

This is why I don't think any other Mega Man incarnations can really work as alternate models, only texture swaps. The only feasible alternate costumes are Protoman and Bass, both of which are more likely to just be textures themselves.

 

[3Bismyname]

Bad Box Art

 

[Gune]

I'd find that very hard to see as being the same height and having the same hitboxes as the short, child-like Mega Man in Smash Bros.

This is why I don't think any other Mega Man incarnations can really work as alternate models, only texture swaps. The only feasible alternate costumes are Protoman and Bass, both of which are more likely to just be textures themselves.

Yeah I know...Im just heartbroken we will never see trigger again...

 

[TumblrFamous]

Krystal's role in SFA doesn't really mean a lot or else she would have replaced Falco in Brawl. And Guess what, she didn't. And if I recall, Falco has a huge role in Starfox Command. Falco is Fox's main man and probably the most beloved character in the Starfox series. People want him over Krystal. Besides, Sakurai doesn't show a lot of recognition or love for Starfox Adventures. And Falco is one of the original members of the starfox crew. The point is Sakurai, Smash Fans, and Starfox fans want Falco more. He's the Luigi of Starfox

DivineDeity? Did you make an alternate account to try to start anew, because if so you're not doing a good job.

Yep. He's always been Fox's right hand man. Krystal is nothing more than a love interest, im sorry, that is what she is. And, when I said subconscious, that means it was not in your awareness. So, yeah, it never crossed your mind, because that's what subconscious means.

Edit: Kinda done with the conversation though. Neither of us are completely right, but neither of us are wrong either. And frankly, I'm done talking to you.

 

[PerfectDarkMarc]

Krystal's role in SFA doesn't really mean a lot or else she would have replaced Falco in Brawl. And Guess what, she didn't. And if I recall, Falco has a huge role in Starfox Command. Falco is Fox's main man and probably the most beloved character in the Starfox series. People want him over Krystal. Besides, Sakurai doesn't show a lot of recognition or love for Starfox Adventures. And Falco is one of the original members of the starfox crew. The point is Sakurai, Smash Fans, and Starfox fans want Falco more. He's the Luigi of Starfox


...and MY point was (like I said previously) that I do not think Krystal will replace Falco. I merely stated that I think she SHOULD. My god, the reading comprehension on these forums fails to impress. The bottom line is this, Sakarai will put in who he wants.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Guys, random question, but if there could only be 5 more male characters in Smash, who do you want them to be?

Masked Man, K. Rool, Ridley, Isaac, and Paper Mario.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Are we arguing over the importance of Falco vs Krystal? Jesus, you people may as well be arguing over the importance of Meta Knight vs Dedede in the Kirby series... Please don't do that either.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Are we arguing over the importance of Falco vs Krystal? Jesus, you people may as well be arguing over the importance of Meta Knight vs Dedede in the Kirby series... Please don't do that either.

Well, you kinda have to expect that when someone brings up Krystal.

Any new topics?

 

[MagnesD3]

To the 2 debating on Falco vs. Krystal vs. Slippy's importance, Krystal and falco are very close in importance, slippy is there mechanic and a terrible pilot, he doesnt provide plot material or aid in battle, he is mostly comic relief and best left on great fox, comparing slippy to krystal and falco is silly as he isnt close to their importance. Now the Falco vs. Krystal debate is a close one that isnt fun to get into as nobody will change their minds, so I say about even.

 

[PerfectDarkMarc]

Yep. He's always been Fox's right hand man. Krystal is nothing more than a love interest, im sorry, that is what she is. And, when I said subconscious, that means it was not in your awareness. So, yeah, it never crossed your mind, because that's what subconscious means.

That is your opinion. Believe what you will.

I know what subconcious means. I was simply eluding to the fact that not all Krystal's fans want her in solely because she happens to have cleavage.
Your remark was clearly intended to be a "jab" at fans of Krystal.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Well, you kinda have to expect that when someone brings up Krystal.

Any new topics?

I would expect people to talk about Krystal's own merits rather than debate over something ridiculous like that. Most people here, at the very least.

Here's a new topic. In terms of veterans' movesets, can we expect adjustments to the Original 12 in style of Pit's major changes, or are we more likely to see Sakurai hold onto the near-15-year-old tradition of keeping the moves the Original 12 have always had?

 

[MattX20]

Krystal's chances were at their peak during the Brawl development period, but Wolf got the 3rd slot, and I'm fine with that.

 

[PerfectDarkMarc]

To the 2 debating on Falco vs. Krystal vs. Slippy's importance, Krystal and falco are very close in importance, slippy is there mechanic and a terrible pilot, he doesnt provide plot material or aid in battle, he is mostly comic relief and best left on great fox, comparing slippy to krystal and falco is silly as he isnt close to their importance. Now the Falco vs. Krystal debate is a close one that isnt fun to get into as nobody will change their minds, so I say about even.

While I can sort of agree about Slippy's importance overall, he is STILL a valued asset to their team. Just because he is a terrible pilot (which he has been since the very beginning) doesn't mean he is not a valued member of the team. No mechanic = no arwings.
Doesn't matter though. This topic has gotten stale.