Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[CalumG]

did noah change his name

because i'm not going to lie

he's making better posts, and there isn't the trolling. Wow.

Not that much better, they mostly consist of him making non-existent counterpoints until he runs out of things to say and tries to end the subject with something along the lines of "when are you going to end this?" or "do you really have to keep dragging this out?".

As for Tom Nook, he's certainly the most likely Animal Crossing rep if we do get another one. But that being said, it's not likely we'd get two characters from a newcomer franchise anyway. Mario and Pokemon both got two reps in SSB64 for obvious reasons and Fire Emblem got two reps in Melee due to an easy clone inclusion, but it doesn't seem all that likely to me that Sakurai is going to opt towards jumping straight from 0 Animal Crossing reps to 2 Animal Crossing reps. Unless, of course, Nook gets in as a clone - and although Sakurai has stated he wants every character to be 'unique', logic tells us that there will be one or two clones/semi-clones.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Not that much better, they mostly consist of him making non-existent counterpoints until he runs out of things to say and tries to end the subject with something along the lines of "when are you going to end this?" or "do you really have to keep dragging this out?".

He's upset because I disagree Ness will be a starter based off the patterns of Super Smash Brothers and that Ness was unlock able twice. And continues to claim that I confirmed this. Thus when I tell him to just end it when we're all tired of the subject (Hotfeet Included) ending the subject is apparently how I solve ALL my debates, because he just wants me to accept the likeliness of Ness being a starter.

I mean no offense, but please just let it go.

 

[CalumG]

He's upset because I disagree Ness will be a starter based off the patterns of Super Smash Brothers and that Ness was unlock able twice. And continues to claim that I confirmed this. Thus when I tell him to just end it when we're all tired of the subject (Hotfeet Included) ending the subject is apparently how I solve ALL my opinions, because he just wants me to accept the likeliness of Ness being a starter.

I mean no offense, but let it go please.

I'm not upset, I was merely making an observation - you did the same thing to another poster:

That doesn't change that Villager represents the entirety of Animal Crossing. Just because it warrants a second slot doesn't mean there are ANY other good choices for an Animal Crossing character. Animal Crossing is fine with just Villager when are you going to end this?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I'm not upset, I was merely making an observation - you did the same thing to another poster:

It doesn't go anywhere.

He says Tom Nook will happen and says why.

I tell him why that doesn't work.

He states the same reasons why, when we told him that doesn't work and hardly anybody agrees with Tom Nook anyway.

It's just the 2 of us posting the same replies to the same topic. I don't usually like to continue topics that go in blatant circles.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

you also forgot that Kirby got two newcomers in Brawl. Animal Crossing is popular enough too, and the fact remains that the villager was the main character.

*Sigh* I've got nothing left in me though on this argument. It's running around in circles.

And yes, Nook can still have a moveset. We don't even KNOW Villager's moevset.

 

[kingmario92]

I have nothing interesting to say about this argument.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Hey yall.

I'm betting this was already discussed, but...
What was the reaction to THIS image?

Not to tall now, huh? Looks like new "Kid Link" material to me.

 

[Gune]

I have nothing interesting to say about this argument.

Back to lurking for us

 

[Khoru]

What was the reaction to THIS image?

i think he's cute!


wait was i supposed to say something smash-related

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Villager is basically "Mr. Animal Crossing" his move set shows that and the fact that he's the avatar does too.

 

[CalumG]

Hey, hey, I've got one guys.

And no, Peach's Standard B or "lack of moveset potential" do not count as viable arguments. Bonus dumbarse points if you cite lack of moveset potential and happen to be a Waluigi supporter.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Hey, hey, I've got one guys.

And no, Peach's Standard B or "lack of moveset potential" do not count as viable arguments. Bonus dumbarse points if you cite lack of moveset potential and happen to be a Waluigi supporter.

I think Toad's chances are mostly overshadowed my less requests of Bowser Jr & Paper Mario.

 

[3Bismyname]

i dont think Animal Crossing should get 2 reps. Villager reps the franchise just fine on his own. Tom Nook would be next in line as an Animal Crossing rep but i just don't see it happening. there's more interesting characters to add out there and Tom Nook isnt a necessary addition at this point. i really have nothing to say beyond that.

 

[Hotfeet444]

you also forgot that Kirby got two newcomers in Brawl. Animal Crossing is popular enough too, and the fact remains that the villager was the main character.

*Sigh* I've got nothing left in me though on this argument. It's running around in circles.

And yes, Nook can still have a moveset. We don't even KNOW Villager's moevset.

All I can say on the matter is that it looks as if a majority of things he could use as a moveset are already being used, or may be being used but we're unaware, by the Villager. Heck, for all we know, maybe Tom Nook is worked into Villager's moveset as a Final Smash? You know, crushing debt? Regardless, it just doesn't feel right right now. Maybe in the next Smash Bros, but right now there's other franchises that could use that spot more.

 

[shinhed-echi]

i think he's cute!


wait was i supposed to say something smash-related

If you want to. :D
I think he looks cute too. Reminds me a LOT of the Oracle games' artwork. And I love it because it's my favorite version of Link.

 

[CalumG]

I think Toad's chances are mostly overshadowed my less requests of Bowser Jr & Paper Mario.

>"overshadowed my less requests"

I don't quite understand the grammar. Are you saying Toad gets less requests than Bowser Jr. and Paper Mario? If so, I'd only need to point you to the Melee polls and Japanese popularity polls in general (Toad ranking in some polls as one of Japan's favourite videogame characters period - not just among Nintendo characters).

 

[TheLastJinjo]

>"overshadowed my less requests"

I don't quite understand the grammar. Are you saying Toad gets less requests than Bowser Jr. and Paper Mario? If so, I'd only need to point you to the Melee polls and Japanese popularity polls in general (Toad ranking in some polls as one of Japan's favourite videogame characters period - not just among Nintendo characters).

I can't edit my post because of my stupid computer.

 

[Deleted member]

That's the Luigi I remember...

Yeah, "Mario #2". Not exactly much characterization being expressed there.

Don't know what you're trying to prove with a short clip from a game not canon to the Mario series anyway.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Regardles... Toad is being featured a lot more lately.

Blue Toad to be more precise... Which is weird, but cool since I can relate to the SMB2(usa) Toad (and I think that was the idea).
IF Toad becomes playable, will the standard outfit be its red version, or the blue one?


Also, I find it weird and disappointing to have so many SMB2 references lately, yet no Wart. Wart's up with that?


EDIT: Wasn't Luigi a bit of a coward in the old cartoons? Can't remember well.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Yeah, "Mario #2". Not exactly much characterization being expressed there.

Don't know what you're trying to prove with a short clip from a game not canon to the Mario series anyway.

His attitude was that he was much more energetic, now he's a coward.

 

[Deleted member]

ENGAGE RIDLEY MOTHER F****R

I couldn't have been the only one to get this.....

 

[Khoru]

I couldn't have been the only one to get this.....

ridley can't be in smash because he'll crash the game?

 

[Swift Fox]

Snake in, Poo out

Changed color:
fixed unlockable/new-comer frames
Green thumbnail = confirmed
vanilla thumbnail = must be in
slightly dark thumbnail = very likely
dark thumbnail = likely
more dark thumbnail = unlikely
very dark thumbnail = dream

Please don't take characters with dark to very-dark too seriously.

 

[Deleted member]

His attitude was that he was much more energetic, now he's a coward.

"energetic"?
That's not an attitude.
Luigi, like Mario, had no personality prior to his evolution as a character. Hence he was just "Mario #2".

Luigi is still "energetic". He's still doi
And he may be a coward, but he still risks his neck to be a hero when he needs to. That is much more personality than what Mario exudes.
In fact, he has aspects of true courage that you can't really claim Mario has.

Hey, hey, I've got one guys.

And no, Peach's Standard B or "lack of moveset potential" do not count as viable arguments. Bonus dumbarse points if you cite lack of moveset potential and happen to be a Waluigi supporter.

That trollface better mean the underlined is a joke.

Otherwise, you and I are going to have a problem.

 

[Gune]

"energetic"?
That's not an attitude.
Luigi, like Mario, had no personality prior to his evolution as a character. Hence he was just "Mario #2".

Luigi is still "energetic". He's still doi
And he may be a coward, but he still risks his neck to be a hero when he needs to. That is much more personality than what Mario exudes.
In fact, he has aspects of true courage that you can't really claim Mario has.

And thats why Luigi is Numbah one!

 

[CalumG]

That trollface better mean the underlined is a joke.

Otherwise, you and I are going to have a problem.

Partially a joke - partially a legitimate statement that both characters are fairly blank slates in terms of actual offensive capabilities. Of course, if I'm not mistaken we've discussed this before? Either way, Waluigi and Toad both sit firmly on the fence in that they've both been shown to have some form of offensive capability but have not been seen in as much action as, say, Bowser.

So yeah, take that as you will. Of course, "lack of moveset potential" is a bogus argument in the first place and I very much doubt any people here would try using it as reasoning for a character not being included... but it hasn't stopped people from trying it in the past.

 

[Zzuxon]

Hey, hey, I've got one guys.

And no, Peach's Standard B or "lack of moveset potential" do not count as viable arguments. Bonus dumbarse points if you cite lack of moveset potential and happen to be a Waluigi supporter.

There are very few valid arguments against Toad, and those that there are are minor issues.

 

[shinhed-echi]

But Toad is really easy to make a moveset.

Taking from his playable games, for example.

B-Tilt
Bomb (yeah, similar to Link´s, except when it blows up it says BOMB!)

B-Down
Koopa Shell (Pulls out a Brown Koopa shell, which is weaker than the Green ones) / Sometimes pulls out a POW block which works like the one in MARIO BROS.

B-Up
Bubble (the bubble from NSMBWii) Floats for a while until Toad pops himself out.

B Neutral
Heck, I'd also like him to have a move where he pulls out a KEY, and a Phanto starts chasing him. Phanto would damage anyone he comes in contact with, including Toad. So Toad users would have to know how to handle Phanto. (Also, the Key is throwable, and if picked up by other characters, Phanto will chase them instead)

 

[CalumG]

Personally, for Toad's recovery move, I'd go with the chargeable Super Jump from SMB2 - usable in mid-air of course, but Toad would go into a crouching position for a while and flash as he charges up a very powerful vertical third-jump.

And then map it to Down-B, for the sake of consistency and trolling the fanbase.

 

[SuperBrawler]

I wonder what would happen if instead of people typing messages it was a 14 person voice chat.

 

[shrooby]

Hey, hey, I've got one guys.

And no, Peach's Standard B or "lack of moveset potential" do not count as viable arguments. Bonus dumbarse points if you cite lack of moveset potential and happen to be a Waluigi supporter.

Has my full support. Forget all of the people who say that Super Mario shouldn't have a fifth rep. It already had a fifth rep when there was less of a roster in Melee. I think having five when there will be maybe 45 characters this time is fine.

 

[SuperBrawler]

I love Toad. But everyone like Bowser Jr. and Paper Mario? Meowth all over again.

 

[3Bismyname]

I wonder what would happen if instead of people typing messages it was a 14 person voice chat.

one big headache

 

[SuperBrawler]

you also forgot that Kirby got two newcomers in Brawl. Animal Crossing is popular enough too, and the fact remains that the villager was the main character.

*Sigh* I've got nothing left in me though on this argument. It's running around in circles.

And yes, Nook can still have a moveset. We don't even KNOW Villager's moevset.

Maybe as an Assist Trophy but not playable, at least for now.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Hey yall.

I'm betting this was already discussed, but...
What was the reaction to THIS image?

Not to tall now, huh? Looks like new "Kid Link" material to me.

That's what I kinda thought. I just looks... good; abit like CDI Link.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I wonder what would happen if instead of people typing messages it was a 14 person voice chat.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

I wonder what would happen if instead of people typing messages it was a 14 person voice chat.

At times, I've wondered that too.

I imagine that it would either turn out like "12 Angry Men" or just be a bunch of nerds yelling at each other over not being able to get a turn to say what they'd like. Much more likely the latter.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I wonder what would happen if instead of people typing messages it was a 14 person voice chat.

With these people, it's not going to be pretty. I've done chats before, and generally speaking it's better to do it with experienced and mature users you're associated with, otherwise you'll get nowhere.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

With these people, it's not going to be pretty. I've done chats before, and generally speaking it's better to do it with experienced and mature users you're associated with, otherwise you'll get nowhere.

Is there a list of said mature users you would recommend if such a chat was ever made once again? ...And would I be on that list?

 

[shinhed-echi]

Personally, for Toad's recovery move, I'd go with the chargeable Super Jump from SMB2 - usable in mid-air of course, but Toad would go into a crouching position for a while and flash as he charges up a very powerful vertical third-jump.

And then map it to Down-B, for the sake of consistency and trolling the fanbase.

That sounds really cool, actually. :D Reminds me a bit of Diddy's UpB


And here's an alternative. The Flying Carpet from World 1-2

Has my full support. Forget all of the people who say that Super Mario shouldn't have a fifth rep. It already had a fifth rep when there was less of a roster in Melee. I think having five when there will be maybe 45 characters this time is fine.

you know... I hadn't thought about it that way.

Guess I can officially say I support Toad all the way for 5th Mario rep. It's the only logical choice, IMO.