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TheLastJinjo

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Afternoon? It's around 11:50am here in Nevada, so it's not really afternoon.


Year of Luigi.

He was also revealed before the game has been released, and the only unlockables who have been revealed early are the third-parties.

And, uh, you were way more expressive than you should've been.

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  • 2014 isn't the Year of Luigi
  • Luigi is a semi-clone of Mario, you don't add 2 starters with the same move set.
  • Year of Luigi makes perfect sense to reveal him early, not make him a starter.
  • Luigi has always been an unlock able and for good reason.
  • Luigi's abilities compared to Mario rank him for unlock able status.
  • Franchises are usually limited to 3 starters.
  • If we don't get a new Mario character, we won't have any unlock able Mario characters.
  • I wouldn't base a character's availability on when they were revealed. Wasn't Olimar revealed pretty late during Brawl?
  • Luigi being unlock able is an established tradition that makes perfect sense.
It's LUIGI, am I the only sane person left? :sadeyes:
 

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On the bright side, I think we can safely assume that we'll get at least one character every month. I guess a portion of it might be connected to another game, but at the same time another batch wouldn't by virtue of the franchises presented. September might be a newcomer or a veteran character that is not connected to anything released that month if that is indeed the case.
 

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  • 2014 isn't the Year of Luigi
  • Luigi is a semi-clone of Mario, you don't add 2 starters with the same move set.
  • Year of Luigi makes perfect sense to reveal him early, not make him a starter.
  • Luigi has always been an unlock able and for good reason.
  • Luigi's abilities compared to Mario rank him for unlock able status.
  • Franchises are usually limited to 3 starters.
  • If we don't get a new Mario character, we won't have any unlock able Mario characters.
  • I wouldn't base a character's availability on when they were revealed. Wasn't Olimar revealed pretty late during Brawl?
  • Luigi being unlock able is an established tradition that makes perfect sense.
It's LUIGI, am I the only sane person left? :sadeyes:
While you raise some sensible points, looking for patterns is only going to cause trouble. There are very few consistencies Sakurai adheres to in Smash, so just because something happened in a previous game doesn't mean it will work the same way in the future. For now it's best to not make an assumption either way on Luigi.
 

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Well that explains Luigi's behavior at least. He is high 24/7. :awesome:

Glad I'm not alone when I first saw that screenshot. :laugh:

In all seriousness, do you guys believe that Luigi is the only character in the series that deserves to be a clone?
 

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It's LUIGI, am I the only sane person left? :sadeyes:
  • 1. 2014 isn't the Year of Luigi
  • 2. Year of Luigi makes perfect sense to reveal him early, not make him a starter.
  • 3. Luigi's abilities compared to Mario rank him for unlock able status.
  • 4. If we don't get a new Mario character, we won't have any unlock able Mario characters.
  • 5. I wouldn't base a character's availability on when they were revealed. Wasn't Olimar revealed pretty late during Brawl?
  • 6. Luigi being unlock able is an established tradition that makes perfect sense.
Yeah, I think he may still be unlockable, I'm just explaining why some people assume he will be a starter this time.

1. But 2013 is, and they're still developing the game. :troll:
2. Yep on the first part, not sure about the second part.
3. I...guess. How exactly?
4. True... I hope they add a Mario newcomer to bump the number of characters back to 5.
5. Olimar was still revealed before Brawl was released in Japan, so people correctly assumed he would be a starter.
6. I guess.

In all seriousness, do you guys believe that Luigi is the only character in the series that deserves to be a clone?
Semi-clone, actually.

He's sorta the counterpart to Mario and all, so it does make sense for him to share some moves, but Luigi still has enough personality to differentiate himself from his brother.
 

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Is it such a huge deal if Luigi is or is not a starter? He's LUIGI anyway, one of the first characters unlocked ALWAYS.

So I join in on the speculation... WHEN is the next Nintendo game reveal?

Also consider release dates for past IPs, like... for example...
Punch Out came out on a February (arcade), October-November (NES), May-July (Wii) ... therefore that ship either already sailed, or we could get Little Mac reveal on October-November... November more likely if Sonic Lost Worlds is released on October.
 

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In all seriousness, do you guys believe that Luigi is the only character in the series that deserves to be a clone?
Well to be blunt, Luigi is one of the rare cases where it makes sense that a character would similar to another character. He was originally nothing more then a mere palette swap of Mario, and even after gaining his own characteristics he's still very similar to Mario. Naturally, this gets translated into games like Super Smash Bros.
 

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Nintendo would never release a peripheral as limited and frankly useless in this day and age on a system that's struggling to even sell itself. A new ROB, even with his appearance in Smash, isn't going to move units. Nintendo isn't trying to sell an "Entertainment System" anymore, they're selling a video game console. This rumor is nonsense, don't even give it a second thought.
 

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So is it possible that around the release of a new game, we'll see a character announced? It may be too early to see a trend, but surely it's a little something to work off of for right now.

So let's say this is a monthly trend. Not every time a new game is coming. Who do we think we'll see?

I think if there isn't a notable game coming out at a certain time in the month, we'll get a newcomer. Call it a hunch, but if this trend turns out to be continued, I'm thinking Diddy Kong for Tropical Freeze at least at this point, and probably Peach with the new Mario game.

EDIT: Also, can we talk about how I called there being a character today :awesome:

....well maybe I didn't call it, but I certainly brought up the possibility and I got shot down. So **** you guys.
 

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....well maybe I didn't call it, but I certainly brought up the possibility and I got shot down. So **** you guys.
I wish I was there to help you. I never recalled anyone shooting down a reveal for today, but then again I was posting at 3:20 in the morning last night.

So guys, age-old question... Poltergust 3000 Special Move this time?
 

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The Dojo's Luigi page references Dream Team, so I do think it's a fair guess to think that veterans are showing up with game releases.

So something in September, Pokemon in October and Diddy and Peach some other time this year.

Would honestly not mind starter Luigi because I'd hope it'd allow for more unlockable newcomers.
 

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I wish I was there to help you. I never recalled anyone shooting down a reveal for today, but then again I was posting at 3:20 in the morning last night.

So guys, age-old question... Poltergust 3000 Special Move this time?
I really hope so. Like really. If they make it even like a tether grab i'd be happy.
 

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Any thoughts from anyone as far as newcomer announcements? If this pattern keeps up, we're going to see veterans for a long time.

I WANT NEW GUYS!11!CAPS!!!
 

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Maybe ness due to earthbound being on the virtual console
Unlock able characters are not going to become starters because of advertising. Unlock able status is not saved for people you don't recognize. Ice Climbers weren't unlock able and Lucario wasn't a starter. This is almost as annoying when people thought we were getting a Pilot Wings character because of a stage. This isn't how it works folks.

Starter Luigi doesn't make any sense, why does everyone think he's going to be starter for such dumb reasons? He's a semi-clone of Mario who's always been unlock able for obvious reasons and if you ask me he's better than Mario. You shouldn't ignore logic because of his early reveal, he was revealed early because it's the Year of Luigi. Plain & Simple. I'm sorry, but this is just so stupid.
 

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Unlockable characters are not going to become starters because of advertising. Unlockable status is not saved for people you don't recognize. Ice Climbers weren't unlock able and Lucario wasn't a starter. This is almost as annoying when people thought we were getting a Pilot Wings character because of a stage. This isn't how it works folks.

Starter Luigi doesn't make any sense, why does everyone think he's going to be starter for such dumb reasons? He's a semi-clone of Mario who's always been unlock able for obvious reasons and if you ask me he's better than Mario. You shouldn't ignore logic because of his early reveal, he was revealed early because it's the Year of Luigi. Plain & Simple. I'm sorry, but this is just so stupid.

Wario is still the best Smash character imo
 

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Impatience will be your downfall.
I know it will be. I was getting impatient yesterday and was really hoping for something today. Luckily I got it. As much as I comment about how I expect a character, it's just that I really want to see something new and get excited for the game. Smash is my favorite game after all.

But hey, at least we got Weegee.
 

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Unlock able characters are not going to become starters because of advertising. Unlock able status is not saved for people you don't recognize. Ice Climbers weren't unlock able and Lucario wasn't a starter. This is almost as annoying when people thought we were getting a Pilot Wings character because of a stage. This isn't how it works folks.
Maybe I just read this in the wrong context... but who's to say Ness is an unlockable? He certainly wasn't in Melee. Considering the enduring popularity of Earthbound over Mother 3, it could well be that the Mother characters get their roles swapped around and Lucas is the unlockable one this time around. Too early to say, amirite?
 

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Maybe I just read this in the wrong context... but who's to say Ness is an unlockable? He certainly wasn't in Melee. Considering the enduring popularity of Earthbound over Mother 3, it could well be that the Mother characters get their roles swapped around and Lucas is the unlockable one this time around. Too early to say, amirite?
popularity doesn't take a character who's unlock able and make them starters. That's never happened and it makes no sense. That's not how it works.
 

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EDIT: Also, can we talk about how I called there being a character today :awesome:

....well maybe I didn't call it, but I certainly brought up the possibility and I got shot down. So **** you guys.
Wait, when?
I checked your posts from last night, but didn't see any (harsh?) disagreements.




Impressed now?
Huh. Made me think of Mario/Luigi's death in Rise of the Mushroom Kingdom.

popularity doesn't take a character who's unlock able and make them starters. That's never happened and it makes no sense. That's not how it works.
There was Captain Falcon and Ness in Melee, but I'm not sure if it was because they were better known after their first SSB appearance, and they became unlockable again in Brawl.

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