Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

For roster predicting might want to consider the wonderful red from the wonderful 101 by platinum because sakurai payed platinum studios an unexpected visit and the wonderful red is a loop hole of getting viewtiful joe because the wonderful red is a Nintendo character not third partie

 

[Hotfeet444]

For roster predicting might want to consider the wonderful red from the wonderful 101 because sakurai payed those guys an unexpected visit and the wonderful red is a loop hole of getting viewtiful joe because the wonderful red is a Nintendo character not third partie

Wonderful 101 is developed by Platinum Game Studios, the same creators of Bayonetta, Metal Gear Rising and Anarchy Reigns. They are third party developers, thus Wonderful Red is a third party character.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I get the feeling you meant to say Lucas is a starter. Either way, Sakurai may not change somebody who is unlockable to a starter for advertising, nor does he make starters unlockable for said reason, but he has changed starters to unlockables and unlockables to starters in the past and there's no saying that he won't do so again. I'm not making an argument either way that Lucas or Ness will be starter or unlockable, but given that they've both been starters at one point in time, you'd do well to stop acting like Sakurai and pretending you 'know how it works'. Ness could be a starter, as he has been in the past, and just as equally, Lucas could be a starter as he has in the past.

tl;dr it's all up in the air at the moment, so stop acting like it's a certainty that Ness is an unlockable. It's not.

Ness & Captain Falcon are the only ones who have ever been changed to starters and the were changed right back.

For roster predicting might want to consider the wonderful red from the wonderful 101 because sakurai payed those guys an unexpected visit and the wonderful red is a loop hole of getting viewtiful joe because the wonderful red is a Nintendo character not third partie

You shouldn't add a character just because it exists.

 

[N3ON]

For roster predicting might want to consider the wonderful red from the wonderful 101 because sakurai payed those guys an unexpected visit and the wonderful red is a loop hole of getting viewtiful joe because the wonderful red is a Nintendo character not third partie

Sakurai likely pays every studio he takes content from a visit (in Japan at least). Or he's at least in contact with them. Him visiting Platinum is not the big deal everyone seems to think it is.

Also Wonder Red and Viewtiful Joe... aren't the same person. They wouldn't play the same either.

 

[xXBlazeMonkeyXx]

We know for a fact, from Sakurai himself, that work has been put into making the Ice Climbers work. They're not going anywhere.

im wonder how sakiurai will get the ice climber working correctly on the 3ds version

 

[N3ON]

Wonderful 101 is developed by Platinum Game Studios, the same creators of Bayonetta, Metal Gear Rising and Anarchy Reigns. They are third party developers, thus Wonderful Red is a third party character.

Treasure is a third party, TOSE is a third party, does that make Saki and Starfy third parties? No, like with W101, the IP is co-owned between the developer and Nintendo.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Wonderful 101 is developed by Platinum Game Studios, the same creators of Bayonetta, Metal Gear Rising and Anarchy Reigns. They are third party developers, thus Wonderful Red is a third party character.

Those are actually the same people who tweeted they are sick and tired of people requesting there characters

im wonder how sakiurai will get the ice climber working correctly on the 3ds version

You do realize the power of 3DS don't you?

 

[xXBlazeMonkeyXx]

Those are actually the same people who tweeted they are sick and tired of people requesting there characters



You do realize the power of 3DS don't you?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I hate to be that guy, but just because it hasn't happened before doesn't mean it can't happen now.
Sakurai never showed off a character to show off a recent game before Smash 4, and yet he's shown off Olimar because of Pikmin 3 and Luigi because of M&L Dream Team.
Regardless of whether or not Ness remains unlockable (which is completely up in the air; he's been BOTH an unlockable and a starter in the past), he could be shown off to commemorate the VC release of Earthbound, which is being passed off as a big deal (it even had it's own trailer).

EDIT: Or not; just saw that it had been released already on VC worldwide last month. A little late to show off Ness for that, then.

But, Year of Luigi is 2013 and Mother 2's VC release is 2013. The game is planned for 2014.

Can we stop posting pics that are irrelevant to context please?

 

[N3ON]

Those are actually the same people who tweeted they are sick and tired of people requesting there characters

That was just Kamiya. He doesn't speak for the whole company, and he was only referring to Bayonetta.

 

[CalumG]

Ness & Captain Falcon are the only ones who have ever been changed to starters and the were changed right back.

Doesn't change the fact that it happened. You know what else has never happened before? Sakurai announcing Luigi before the release of a Smash Bros game. Patterns are not the be-all end-all of Smash Bros. Sakurai changes, Smash Bros changes and the community who plays Smash Bros changes. Yes, there's a good chance that Ness will be an unlockable - but acting like it's a certainty, especially in the light of Ness having been a starter before as well as Sakurai showing off Luigi (who has been an unlockable three times running; more than Ness) just makes you look stubborn.

Unlockables have become starters in the past, and Luigi has never been a starter character - nor has a non-third-party unlockable been announced prior to release. Given all of these facts, you'd do well to be a bit more open-minded. Sure, stick to your belief that Ness will most likely be unlockable, but don't go preaching it like it's a 100% certainty.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

That was just Kamiya. He doesn't speak for the whole company, and he was only referring to Bayonetta.

mostly Bayonetta.

 

[FlareHabanero]

mostly Bayonetta.

Nope, just Bayonetta.

 

[xXBlazeMonkeyXx]

But, Year of Luigi is 2013 and Mother 2's VC release is 2013. The game is planned for 2014.



Can we stop posting pics that are irrelevant to context please?

the 3ds stronger then wii in some area

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Doesn't change the fact that it happened. You know what else has never happened before? Sakurai announcing Luigi before the release of a Smash Bros game. Patterns are not the be-all end-all of Smash Bros. Sakurai changes, Smash Bros changes and the community who plays Smash Bros changes. Yes, there's a good chance that Ness will be an unlockable - but acting like it's a certainty, especially in the light of Ness having been a starter before as well as Sakurai showing off Luigi (who has been an unlockable three times running; more than Ness) just makes you look stubborn.

Unlockables have become starters in the past, and Luigi has never been a starter character - nor has a non-third-party unlockable been announced prior to release. Given all of these facts, you'd do well to be a bit more open-minded. Sure, stick to your belief that Ness will most likely be unlockable, but don't go preaching it like it's a 100% certainty.

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the 3ds stronger then wii in some area

Please quote the correct statement.

 

[Deleted member]

But, Year of Luigi is 2013 and Mother 2's VC release is 2013. The game is planned for 2014.

Irrelevant.
Mother 2's VC release being in 2013 means nothing just because Smash is being released in 2014

What IS relevant (which I already pointed out) is that the release already passed, making a potential early viewing of Ness to be too late, and thus, my point invalid. (Which should have ended the discussion right then and there.)

Aside from that, we simply don't know if Ness will be unlockable or not. He has been both within the history of the series.

 

[CalumG]

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I don't see how that's relevant. Sakurai has never showed off an unlockable before; Luigi has been shown off for SSB4. Whether or not this makes him a starter or it means Sakurai is showing off unlockables is irrelevant - it still shows that Sakurai does not have easily-predictable "patterns" and your attempt to cling to them is not working. You can't possibly tell me that's "not how it works" because "how it works" changes with each game - case in point, Ness changing from unlockable to starter to unlockable.

Please leave a meaningful response or don't leave one at all, because every time you've responded to me so far you've left nothing in the way of actual logical reasoning. ty much love <3

 

[Hotfeet444]

That was just Kamiya. He doesn't speak for the whole company, and he was only referring to Bayonetta.

His attitude reflects that of the new Dante quite well...both are just plain assholes.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Nope, just Bayonetta.

Wait, was he referring to "Smash idiots" requesting Platinum's characters in general, or only to those requesting Bayonetta?

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[TheLastJinjo]

I don't see how that's relevant. Sakurai has never showed off an unlockable before; Luigi has been shown off for SSB4. Whether or not this makes him a starter or it means Sakurai is showing off unlockables is irrelevant - it still shows that Sakurai does not have easily-predictable "patterns" and your attempt to cling to them is not working. You can't possibly tell me that's "not how it works" because "how it works" changes with each game - case in point, Ness changing from unlockable to starter to unlockable.

Please leave a meaningful response or don't leave one at all, because every time you've responded to me so far you've left nothing in the way of actual logical reasoning. ty much love <3

Nor have you for Luigi being a starter, I'm following patterns just like you. Except I'm following patterns based off the actual game where as you are just following patterns of when something is shown.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Now now children. Let's not get all of our panties in a twist.

Let's just be happy we got a character today. Even if it was an obvious one.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Whoever said Luigi can't still be an unlockable?

It's not like anybody would've thought he would be cut or anything.

 

[zauberdragon]

My instinct is that Luigi has been announcement so earlier probably reflects his increasing importance. Nintendo have dedicated a whole year to the fella and it wouldn't surprise me if he was a starter due to the pressure of high-ups or that Sakurai had picked up on this shift.

That or the roster is smaller but has a similar number of unlocks. Those who are expected unlocks just get shunted into starters.

Or maybe a whole day of playing Pikmin 3 had caused my brain to melt. All are possible.

 

[Gune]

In honor of Luigi's reveal today...and to lighten the mood...

 

[CalumG]

Nor have you for Luigi being a starter, I'm following patterns just like you. Except I'm following patterns based off the actual game where as you are just following patterns of when something is shown.

I never said Luigi is a starter; I don't see why I should have to provide a meaningful reason why Luigi is a starter when I never said he is. Are you actually reading my posts or are you just skimming my posts, bashing your head against your keyboard and hoping for a gem of a counter-argument to come out?

Here's my argument. You say Ness is going to be an unlockable - because historically characters don't change from unlockable to starter. I've provided two counterpoints - one, that Ness has changed from unlockable to starter before. This shows Sakurai is willing to go back on his so-called 'patterns'. Point number two is the reveal of Luigi. Whether this means Luigi is unlockable or not is irrelevant. If Luigi is a starter, then Sakurai has broken his 'pattern' of Luigi always being a starter. If he's an unlockable, Sakurai has broken his 'pattern' of not showing off unlockables. Either way, Sakurai has shown that what he does in the past does not mean his future actions are set in stone. Whether or not this is an in-game pattern or a website pattern is irrelevant because both are being done by Sakurai. You have provided no counter-argument for this.

 

[Diddy Kong]

In honor of Luigi's reveal today...and to lighten the mood...

Best thing I've seen in a long time!

 

[Deleted member]

Luigi is probably going to be one of the minimum effort unlocks like he was in Brawl. Especially if he's being shown off exceptionally early.
But like Brawl and Melee, his unlock method will probably have to do with the number "2".

For Ness, I doubt he'll be unlockable. I have a hunch he was only unlockable to trick the fanbase into believing Lucas replaced him (which worked to say the least). With his methods of unlocking being the easiest by far in the entire series (play 5 VS. matches or reflect 10 projectiles in a match), the shock value of the possibility of being replaced no longer applying, and being a starter in Melee, it's hard to believe he'd be unlockable again.

Captain Falcon, I feel may graduate to starter status again like in Melee. There was too much build-up to his appearance with Port Town being a starting stage AND Goroh being an Assist before Falcon is unlocked.
I have a similar hunch that because Ness and Luigi were unlockable (with Jigglypuff being up in the air, though would be unlockable), Falcon was made unlockable to complete the set of Smash 64's unlockables.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I never said Luigi is a starter; I don't see why I should have to provide a meaningful reason why Luigi is a starter when I never said he is. Are you actually reading my posts or are you just skimming my posts, bashing your head against your keyboard and hoping for a gem of a counter-argument to come out?

Here's my argument. You say Ness is going to be an unlockable - because historically characters don't change from unlockable to starter. I've provided two counterpoints - one, that Ness has changed from unlockable to starter before. This shows Sakurai is willing to go back on his so-called 'patterns'. Point number two is the reveal of Luigi. Whether this means Luigi is unlockable or not is irrelevant. If Luigi is a starter, then Sakurai has broken his 'pattern' of Luigi always being a starter. If he's an unlockable, Sakurai has broken his 'pattern' of not showing off unlockables. Either way, Sakurai has shown that what he does in the past does not mean his future actions are set in stone. Whether or not this is an in-game pattern or a website pattern is irrelevant because both are being done by Sakurai. You have provided no counter-argument for this.

When did I ever say you said Luigi is a starter, maybe it's you who is not reading my posts. Also Ness & C. Falcon weren't change to starters because of recent events. We don't know why they were changed to starters.

 

[FlareHabanero]

For a change of pace, I'd also like it if Marth was promoted to a default character. I mean, hiding the character seems kind of silly considering everyone knows he's going to comeback anyway.

By "everyone", I'm talking about everyone not from GameFAQs and Tumblr.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Those are actually the same people who tweeted they are sick and tired of people requesting there characters

Well yea but what if it was sakurai himself asking

 

[N3ON]

Well yea but what if it was sakurai himself asking

Well first off Sakurai wouldn't be stupid enough to ask over Twitter.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Marth, Ness and Falcon should indeed be starters. Am thinking Olimar will be one to this time. However, unlocking a character is also quite satisfactionary. So I wouldn't mind if characters as Bowser, MetaKnight or King Dedede, Pokémon Trainer, Ike and others became unlockables.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Well first off Sakurai wouldn't be stupid enough to ask over Twitter.

http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/masahiro-sakurai-caught-sneaking-into-platinum-games

 

[Deleted member]

For a change of pace, I'd also like it if Marth was promoted to a default character. I mean, hiding the character seems kind of silly considering everyone knows he's going to comeback anyway.

By "everyone", I'm talking about everyone not from GameFAQs and Tumblr.

Unless Lucina is in the game and Sakurai decides to pull what he did with Ness and Lucas .

Marth, Ness and Falcon should indeed be starters. Am thinking Olimar will be one to this time. However, unlocking a character is also quite satisfactionary. So I wouldn't mind if characters as Bowser, MetaKnight or King Dedede, Pokémon Trainer, Ike and others became unlockables.

Olimar was never unlockable.

 

[N3ON]

Google sakurai platinum

Sakurai visiting Platinum has nothing to do with Sakurai hypothetically requesting to use Bayonetta over Twitter. If Sakurai wanted to use Bayonetta it would have to go through Nintendo and everything and it'd be very complicated, but obviously Kamiya wouldn't just tell him to "**** off".

 

[CalumG]

When did I ever say you said Luigi is a starter

I said you haven't provided me with any decent responses, to which you responded "Nor have you for Luigi being a starter". If that's not implying I said Luigi was a starter, then I don't know what is.

Also Ness & C. Falcon weren't change to starters because of recent events. We don't know why they were changed to starters.

I wasn't suggesting that they'd get changed due to recent events - yet more evidence of you not actually reading my posts. What I said was that you can't say with any certainty that Ness won't change again. Which is a correct statement. If Ness changes back to starter, it could be for many reasons, including but not in any way limited to his recent re-release.

I'm done here, it seems clear that you've been arguing with me on false presumptions. I've not said Ness would be changed because of recent events, nor that Luigi will be a starter. In the future, read peoples posts.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I never cared much for Olimar, so I didn't even know he wasn't unlockable.

 

[Deleted member]

On a different note, that picture earlier today before Luigi's reveal....

....pretty much confirmed Sakurai doesn't give a crap about "canon" size. He directly stated Kirby was 8 inches and Olimar was a little more than an inch.
And yet we have Olimar a head taller than Kirby. And even then, bigger than normal compared to other characters of established size.


Should that be the final nail in the coffin for the "too big" excuse for Ridley?

 

[FlareHabanero]

Unless Lucina is in the game and Sakurai decides to pull what he did with Ness and Lucas .

That already sounds like a train wreck.

 

[Gune]

On a different note, that picture earlier today before Luigi's reveal....

....pretty much confirmed Sakurai doesn't give a crap about "canon" size. He directly stated Kirby was 8 inches and Olimar was a little more than an inch.
And yet we have Olimar a head taller than Kirby. And even then, bigger than normal compared to other characters of established size.


Should that be the final nail in the coffin for the "too big" excuse for Ridley?

Yeah pretty much lets just hope sakurai doesent make him a boss again.