Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[N3ON]

wait can't you just go buy how many copies they sell but I say we make one for fun i'll start

Mario is 1 and Pokemon is 2 (take that Zelda fans)

Generally there are other factors like how many titles in the series (as opposed to how many units each iteration has sold) and character popularity, but while sales doesn't directly indicate which characters will be included, it does offer a sort of rough display of the audience size, which does effect inclusion to an extent, so yes, listing them by sales isn't entirely pointless... though it's hardly the be an and end all.

But yeah... the list (at least the beginning of the list) would probably look close to this:
1. Mario
2. Pokemon
3. Wii
4. Zelda
5. DK
6. Wii Fit
7. Kirby
8. Nintendogs
9. Metroid
10. Animal Crossing

(not counting Smash itself)

 

[TheLastJinjo]

came somebody judge my roster



i would add the wii fit trainer if they had the picture XD

• Krystal over Wolf won't happen, it's unlikely she'll be playable at all.
• Meowth over JigglyPuff does not make sense
• Geno will NEVER happen, the addition makes no sense whatsoever, and is the most random one of all. He's not a major Mario character and why would we have this no longer existing Square Enix character over Paper Mario or Bowser Jr?
• If there is room for Zoroark then there is room for Lucario, meaning Lucario would get in over him.
• Chrom over Ike doesn't make sense either, Ike is the most popular lord of all not counting Marth. If you only have 2 FE characters it should be Marth & Ike.
• Impa is unlikely, she's not a major Zelda character. She's Zelda's assistant. And if you have 5 Zelda reps, one of them should be Toon Link.
• Pac-Man is not as likely as most think. Namco Characters aren't getting any special treatment for working on the game. If you don't have Snake I suggest Bomberman, I also suggest having less Third-Party Characters.
• You should also add Takamaru and Starfy.

Also I love your profile pic, here is a better roster maker:http://www.mediafire.com/download/iiau3bbucu3eyxe/SSB_Roster_Maker-v.6.1.zip

If you need more pics feel free to rip from my roster.

 

[Reznor]

• Krystal over Wolf won't happen, it's unlikely she'll be playable at all.
• Meowth over JigglyPuff does not make sense
• Geno will NEVER happen, the addition makes no sense whatsoever, and is the most random one of all. He's not a major Mario character and why would we have this no longer existing Square Enix character over Paper Mario or Bowser Jr?
• If there is room for Zoroark then there is room for Lucario, meaning Lucario would get in over him.
• Chrom over Ike doesn't make sense either, Ike is the most popular lord of all not counting Marth. If you only have 2 FE characters it should be Marth & Ike.
• Impa is unlikely, she's not a major Zelda character. She's Zelda's assistant. And if you have 5 Zelda reps, one of them should be Toon Link.
• Pac-Man is not as likely as most think. Namco Characters aren't getting any special treatment for working on the game. If you don't have Snake I suggest Bomberman, I also suggest having less Third-Party Characters.
• You should also add Takamaru and Starfy.

Also I love your profile pic, here is a better roster maker:http://www.mediafire.com/download/iiau3bbucu3eyxe/SSB_Roster_Maker-v.6.1.zip


If you need more pics feel free to rip from my roster.

if you go by patterns (which isn't good idea most of the time) than Chrom has more of a chance than Ike

and O my god I hope this doesn't start another FE argument

 

[Hotfeet444]

We talking about Fire Emblem?

I'm loving Awakening!

...that's all I got, it's a really good game. I say that we'll have three blue-haired swordsmen this time around, and I think I may make Chrom one of my mains if he does make it. I cried at what happened in Chapter 9 to his sister.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

if you go by patterns (which isn't good idea most of the time) than Chrom has more of a chance than Ike

and O my god I hope this doesn't start another FE argument

That doesn't apply for everything. If that were the case Marth, JigglyPuff, & Ness would no longer be playable. Again Sakurai is not going to get rid of an incredibly unique character who is incredibly important to the franchise's representation.....................just to add the character from the most recent game, even though they are not as unique or important. The only times a character has ever been added based solely because of recency was Lucas & Roy. So you'd be saying we should remove Ike BECAUSE he's recent. Marth, JigglyPuff, & Ness are not recent, but they are just as popular and important to the representation of their franchise, yet nobody removes them.

It's like saying "Well, the second Fire Emblem rep always uses Fire, so Chrom is not going to get in." just because you see a pattern doesn't mean that's SOLELY how the character is picked.

 

[FlareHabanero]

We talking about Fire Emblem?

Fire Emblem = Golden Sun?

 

[Reznor]

That doesn't apply for everything. If that were the case Marth, JigglyPuff, & Ness would no longer be playable. Again Sakurai is not going to get rid of an incredibly unique character who is incredibly important to the franchise's representation.....................just to add the character from the most recent game, even though they are not as unique or important. The only times a character has ever been added based solely because of recency was Lucas & Roy. So you'd be saying we should remove Ike BECAUSE he's recent. Marth, JigglyPuff, & Ness are not recent, but they are just as popular and important to the representation of their franchise, yet nobody removes them.

It's like saying "Well, the second Fire Emblem rep always uses Fire, so Chrom is not going to get in." just because you see a pattern doesn't mean that's SOLELY how the character is picked.

not saying I think that i'm just saying why your logic can be seen as flawed
and they did get rid of a unique character for a newer character the Mewtwo Lucario thing (well thats what every one says)

 

[Pazzo.]

We talking about Fire Emblem?

I'm loving Awakening!

...that's all I got, it's a really good game. I say that we'll have three blue-haired swordsmen this time around, and I think I may make Chrom one of my mains if he does make it. I cried at what happened in Chapter 9 to his sister.

Uh, SPOILER ALERT!!!!

 

[Hotfeet444]

Uh, SPOILER ALERT!!!!

Hey, I didn't say anything did I? I will say this though, I had to reset the chapter because I killed Tharja by accident.

 

[Pazzo.]

Hey, I didn't say anything did I? I will say this though, I had to reset the chapter because I killed Tharja by accident.

It was close.... We, the Spoiler Police, are watching....

 

[Hotfeet444]

Fire Emblem = Golden Sun?

It was more regarding what Reznor said about hoping he didn't start another FE argument. As for Golden Sun, add Isaac or Matthew, it doesn't really matter which one makes it to me.

 

[ZecaOMestre]

Okay, so that's a roster that I've been working on for a while. What do you guys think about it?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

not saying I think that i'm just saying why your logic can be seen as flawed
and they did get rid of a unique character for a newer character the Mewtwo Lucario thing (well thats what every one says)

Lucario over Mewtwo (in Brawl) had to add that parentheses because of Hotfeet's lack of clear understanding and instant jump to conclusions.

• Both are unique
• All Poke'mon would be Gen 1
• Lucario hasn't had a chance while Mewtwo has.
• Sakurai says he picks Poke'mon characters by talking to the Poke'mon Company to see who is the hot Poke'mon. What Poke'mon is in all the movies and which one everyone is talking about. This is how he picks Poke'mon characters. Not necessarily characters in general. And both Mewtwo and Lucario were planned to be together at some point. So Mewtwo was not just tossed aside.

There is plenty of room for more than 2 Fire Emblem Characters. Chrom may be the hot lord, but he's not hotter than Ike. Poke'mon having the newest Poke'mon is an exception because

• A: There's over 600 of them
• B: There are 3 essential Poke'mon. There is not always room for all of them.

As for the Golden Sun Conversation: Why should Golden Sun be given any less representation than Mother/EarthBound?

 

[BluePikmin11]

http://www.cubed3.com/news/19230/1/...n-online-adventure-dlc-counter-operative.html
This guy gets it (about the clone part)
It's basically my roster's description.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Okay, so that's a roster that I've been working on for a while. What do you guys think about it?
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All I have to say is that I think Toon Zelda is excessive. It's like having Paper Mario and then adding Paper Peach and Paper Bowser. One Paper/Toon character is enough to make your point. She isn't necessary.

 

[Opossum]

Okay, so that's a roster that I've been working on for a while. What do you guys think about it?
View attachment 1548

I would love if this were the roster. It's a bit on the large size, in my opinion, but only by like two characters, so that's fine. I'm not too keen on Toon Zelda or Mii, but the rest of the roster totally makes up for it.

9.8/10

 

[TheLastJinjo]

http://www.cubed3.com/news/19230/1/...n-online-adventure-dlc-counter-operative.html

That's all a bunch of Bull!

 

[Autumn ♫]

Okay, so that's a roster that I've been working on for a while. What do you guys think about it?
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I like it. I think that Vaati would be a better choice than Toon Zelda and Tetra and I think you should replace the Mii with Shulk.

 

[BluePikmin11]

That's all a bunch of Bull!

So it's not a good idea to give unique characters their chance?

 

[Gune]

So it's not a good idea to give unique characters their chance?

If they deserve that chance that is.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Lucario over Mewtwo

PFFFT!

I like it. I think that Vaati would be a better choice than Toon Zelda and Tetra and I think you should replace the Mii with Shulk.

Vaati isn't exactly very overly important to the franchise to warrant a spot as of yet.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

So it's not a good idea to give unique characters their chance?

It is, but when a character is extremely important to the franchise like Falco & Ganondorf, those are not characters you can just get rid of. Also when a Semi-Clone has enough twists to make them unique then it's okay. People need to stop whining about "oh, this character has similar moves to that character. Get rid of him. Characters don't matter, I just want the mooooves." Sakurai is not gonna get rid of Wolf so he can put in Krystal just because she has her own moves. If you are talking about something Lazy like Dark Pit, Pichu, or Clause then that's a different story. Your moves don't make you more important than someone else, and when your move set isn't an exact copy like Pichu, then get over it. It's not a big deal. So sick of Clone Nazis.

 

[BluePikmin11]

It is, but when a character is extremely important to the franchise like Falco & Ganondorf, those are not characters you can just get rid of. Also when a Semi-Clone has enough twists to make them unique then it's okay. People need to stop whining about "oh, this character has similar moves to that character. Get rid of him. Characters don't matter, I just want the mooooves." Sakurai is not gonna get rid of Wolf so he can put in Krystal just because she has her own moves. If you are talking about something Lazy like Dark Pit, Pichu, or Clause then that's a different story. Your moves don't make you more important than someone else, and when your move set isn't an exact copy like Pichu, then get over it. It's not a big deal. So sick of Clone Nazis.

Well obviously the important characters, such as Luigi and Falco stay for their big role. But for franchises that move on with something new, such as Pokemon and Fire Emblem, you can probably agree were going to have new characters representing their generation currently, someone is probably going to get cut to prevent overrepresentation (personally 4 reps).

 

[TheLastJinjo]

PFFFT!

Is there something funny about the fact that Lucario made it into Brawl and Mewtwo didn't or are you just being ignorant again?

Well obviously the important characters, such as Luigi and Falco stay for their big role. But for franchises that move on with something new, such as Pokemon and Fire Emblem, you can probably agree were going to have new characters representing their generation currently, someone is probably going to get cut to prevent overrepresentation (personally 4 reps).

Ike is pretty important to Fire Emblem.

 

[shinhed-echi]

http://www.cubed3.com/news/19230/1/...n-online-adventure-dlc-counter-operative.html
This guy gets it (about the clone part)
It's basically my roster's description.

Mostly great ideas. Not all that excited for "Traditional Mode" though, especially if its highlight is to "prove" something to the FGC naysayers. No point in going back to the dinosaur age. :V

Let that be a separate project by Capcom x Nintendo collaboration.

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Anybody else wondering what will be SSB4's version of the Polygons/Wireframes/Alloys? Miis perhaps? Those come in a bunch of different sizes and builds.

While so far everything seems to be related to 3D modelling.. I'm going to take a wild guess, in favor of some Punch Out inspiration, and say that HOLOGRAMS will be the next Multi-Man thing.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Is there something funny about the fact that Lucario made it into Brawl and Mewtwo didn't or are you just being ignorant again?



Ike is pretty important to Fire Emblem.

But is he iconic like Marth, who I think is the Pikachu of Fire Emblem.
I'm guessing Ike is the Jigglypuff of Fire Emblem (Although I think Anna is the Jigglypuff)

 

[Hotfeet444]

Is there something funny about the fact that Lucario made it into Brawl and Mewtwo didn't or are you just being ignorant again?



Ike is pretty important to Fire Emblem.

Nah, I left the ignorance for you to do, since you're much better at doing it than I am. I'm just laughing that you think Lucario is more important to Smash 4 than Mewtwo is, when Mewtwo is more popular, more diverse, more relevant, more requested, and the second most famous pokemon in the world. And you make it sound like being included over Mewtwo is a big deal in Brawl, especially since we know that Mewtwo would have been in if not for time constraints and Mewtwo wasn't as relevant at the time of Brawl's release. Nice try though, almost got something out of that statement other than you trying to act like you're right.

Mostly great ideas. Not all that excited for "Traditional Mode" though, especially if its highlight is to "prove" something to the FGC naysayers. No point in going back to the dinosaur age. :V

Let that be a separate project by Capcom x Nintendo collaboration.

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Anybody else wondering what will be SSB4's version of the Polygons/Wireframes/Alloys? Miis perhaps? Those come in a bunch of different sizes and builds.

While so far everything seems to be related to 3D modelling.. I'm going to take a wild guess, in favor of some Punch Out inspiration, and say that HOLOGRAMS will be the next Multi-Man thing.

That's not a half bad idea actually.

 

[AEMehr]

Mostly great ideas. Not all that excited for "Traditional Mode" though, especially if its highlight is to "prove" something to the FGC naysayers. No point in going back to the dinosaur age. :V

Let that be a separate project by Capcom x Nintendo collaboration.

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Anybody else wondering what will be SSB4's version of the Polygons/Wireframes/Alloys? Miis perhaps? Those come in a bunch of different sizes and builds.

While so far everything seems to be related to 3D modelling.. I'm going to take a wild guess, in favor of some Punch Out inspiration, and say that HOLOGRAMS will be the next Multi-Man thing.

Huh, I never thought of it like that before.
But I think it would be much preferred if you could play as your own Mii, rather than beating them up.

I do like the Hologram idea though, sound interesting.

-No Pac-Man, he is not worthy to be in this game, and he little to no relevance today.

Hold on second.
Are you forgetting about his big comeback as of late? The big success of Pac-Man Championship Edition DX, his brand new television show, and his brand new adventure coming out later this year? They've even made several new Pac-Man themed Arcade games in the past few years.

It's one thing to say he's not considered "worthy" in your eyes, but he certainly is relevant these days.

More than Mega Man was anyways.

 

[TheCreator]

I had a dream last night that lloyd irving got confirmed, and pacman was in his reveal trailer but just as a cameo. It was more of a nightmare tbh. Bbut hey, my dreams produce some cool ass CGI.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Vaati isn't exactly very overly important to the franchise to warrant a spot as of yet.

He's not overly important like Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf no. But he is in the competition with Tingle and Impa and is over characters like Ghirihim, Zant, and Midna.

 

[TheCreator]

Tingle is the most deserving new LoZ rep. Even that being the case and him having moderate populartity everywhere but the US, I feel as though he may not be in.
Also on Pacman, he is a great grandfather to gaming as a whole. He's worthy of being in any game they want to put him in, ESPECIALLY smash. He belongs in smash if you ask me. Icons of gaming like Pacman, Megaman, Sonic, ect, are all especially worthy for third party additions. But those are about the only ones really.
Not to mention, about his relevance? The deal is Pacman is super relavent. With Pacman DX Championship edition being a very good and well selling game, on almost every console it sold on including mobile devices, then the original Pacman games selling pretty well on VC, Mario Kart GX's new game, which is the third in the line and features both Pacman and Mario characters, his new TV series getting ratings a little better than I expected, and his new Wii U game coming soon that looks like a pretty good game tbh. (Could be wrong, don't quote me here)

Far from irrelevance and quite deserving, with the iconicness of the early era of gaming still fueling his jets and will likely never stop, Pacman is a pretty likely 3rd party character to consider after Megaman, Sonic, and Snake.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Nah, I left the ignorance for you to do, since you're much better at doing it than I am. I'm just laughing that you think Lucario is more important to Smash 4 than Mewtwo is, when Mewtwo is more popular, more diverse, more relevant, more requested, and the second most famous pokemon in the world. And you make it sound like being included over Mewtwo is a big deal in Brawl, especially since we know that Mewtwo would have been in if not for time constraints and Mewtwo wasn't as relevant at the time of Brawl's release. Nice try though, almost got something out of that statement other than you trying to act like you're right.

Lol, Again? I never said Lucario will get into SSB4 over Mewtwo. It's kind of obvious Mewtwo will be the one. I only posted reasons why Lucario was more prioritized in Brawl. Do you ever read what you make fun of? I mean lol at the fact that you always go into great detail and argument about stuff NOBODY ever said. I mean that's just embarrassing. But, It won't top how you thought I called you a furry because I posted a picture of Blails. You act so righteous and smart when you never even read what you replied to.

You always do this.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Noah. Let's calm down just a bit.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Again? I never said Lucario will get into SSB4 over Mewtwo. It's kind of obvious Mewtwo will be the one. Do you ever read what you make fun of? I mean lol at the fact that you always go into great detaila nd argument about stuff NOBODY ever said.

You always do this.

And you always waste comment space on replies like this. And you said Lucario over Mewtwo, I'm laughing at you for that, it doesn't matter what you personally think, when you leave a comment stating Lucario over Mewtwo, people are going to assume that's what you said instead of coming back and saying "I never said this, but was thinking something else although never said it and no context in said statement said so as well" to try and make yourself look high and mighty (as usual). It's not a surprise you always lose every argument you ever get into on this site.

If you're going to leave a comment like that, say "I want Lucario over Mewtwo, but I think Mewtwo has a better chance" that makes sense, not "Lucario over Mewtwo" and giving no context to state that you thought Mewtwo is more likely. I don't see what's going on in your head (Thank God), and I can't tell what you mean and neither can anyone else. Seriously, do you even structure statements?

 

[Autumn ♫]

Lol, Again? I never said Lucario will get into SSB4 over Mewtwo. It's kind of obvious Mewtwo will be the one. I only posted reasons why Lucario was more prioritized in Brawl. Do you ever read what you make fun of? I mean lol at the fact that you always go into great detail and argument about stuff NOBODY ever said. I mean that's just embarrassing. But, It won't top how you thought I called you a furry because I posted a picture of Blails. You act so righteous and smart when you never even read what you replied to.

You always do this.

Hey Noah, I think you forgot to turn the Bold off.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Hey Noah, I think you forgot to turn the Bold off.

That's just him being himself, I wouldn't worry about it. You know, looking for attention?

PS: I can't wait to see what BS statement he comes up with to try and weasel himself out of what I just said. I bet for a "Oh but you should know because it's obvious that Mewtwo is more likely therefore everything I said has no negative repercussions." or something stupid along those lines.

 

[TheCreator]

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=I love arguing on the internet&FORM=HDRSC2#view=detail&id=F28EB6D69A91779503E476417053193B965E5D3A&selectedIndex=6
I just think of noah. There are not a lot of real ignoramus' here, but there is atleast one..

 

[Hotfeet444]

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=I love arguing on the internet&FORM=HDRSC2#view=detail&id=F28EB6D69A91779503E476417053193B965E5D3A&selectedIndex=6
I just think of noah. There are not a lot of real ignoramus' here, but there is atleast one..

...I think I like you a little more now. By the way, since I'm fresh out of cookies...

Spoiler

Here's that Dillon picture that I drew for you but I'm not sure if you saw it or not.

 

[TheCreator]

Omg yes It is so ok that you have no cookies I love that picture

 

[TheLastJinjo]

And you always waste comment space on replies like this. And you said Lucario over Mewtwo, I'm laughing at you for that, it doesn't matter what you personally think, when you leave a comment stating Lucario over Mewtwo, people are going to assume that's what you said instead of coming back and saying "I never said this, but was thinking this but never said it" to try and make yourself look high and mighty (as usual). It's not a surprise you always lose every argument you ever get into on this site.

Of course people are going to think "Lucario over Mewtwo" means only that if that's all they read. I mean did you have your face pressed against the screen. Also if you read the part where I said "Lucario hasn't had a chance, and Mewtwo has" That's a reason for him to be in SSB4? If I recall, Lucario had his chance in Brawl.

It said Lucario Over Mewtwo and a list of reasons why he got in over Mewtwo in Brawl. There you go again ignoring the facts. Claiming that I still think what you said I think. And then every time someone explains why what you said is wrong, you just end with "You lose every argument and anything you say is wrong." Why am I even wasting my time typing this, you've got to be like the youngest person on this website.

Also saying that what you I said is a waste of time or always wrong does it make it so. You have to come up with reasons and examples. Something you don't ever do when claiming these things, why? because you are wrong so they only thing left to do is say that you're not and that everybody else is. Do you want reasons why you're wrong? Go back to the posts Ariand/AEM and I made about Classic Link and how you simply ended the debate with "I'm done talking about this." Me and Ariand/AEM BOTH pointed out that you ignore what I say so that you can say that I'm wrong by pretending that what I said doesn't exist or in this situation meant something COMPLETELY different. That is how you work. Twist what we say, say we didn't mean what we said, or just pretend we never said anything at all. You even edited your comment to claim that I said" I want Lucario over Mewtwo" and you STILL say that I think he is going to get in over him in Brawl. This is not good for your mental health. To convince yourself a false reality of what you WANT to see or hear. And then you just post the same thing I post as your comeback. Like "Do you even Structure Statements " the equivalent of "Do you even read what you reply to " Do you just take an insult and use it as your own regardless of context.

I never said anything you claimed. If you simply choose to just ignore reality and history to make yourself right about everything you say and think, I have no use for you. *ignore*

Hey Noah, I think you forgot to turn the Bold off.

It's so he reads it before replying this time.