Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Hotfeet444]

Like I said, if Entei could learn Blast Burn, I'd use Blast Burn.
And the pothead I'm talking about has the username of a Brawl character.

I could always get you an action replay.

And oh...him...I have no idea what he could've done, but I have seen him around before.

 

[FlareHabanero]

And the pothead I'm talking about has the username of a Brawl character.

R.O.B.?

 

[Deleted member]

I could always get you an action replay.

As I said before, I am 100% natural. No ARoids for meh.

I'm just special in that I have a shiny gold coloring.

(And can go Yuiitusin Mode, which is uber hax in itself. )

 

[Reznor]

question about Impa how important is she to the Zelda series

 

[Swamp Sensei]

question about Impa how important is she to the Zelda series

About as important as Tingle.

Thing is, for Zelda, that's a pretty big role compared to other characters.

 

[Opossum]

Why are you SOOOO obsess over lack of giant new-comers?

Truly unbelievable.

Not sure if serious.

 

[BluePikmin11]

A new roster: 50 characters (55 with transformations: Dark Pit, ZSS, Sheik, Sable Frog Form and Sable Snake Form)

One thing to note: Cut characters are DLC, that's pretty much how I based this.
I managed to take care of representation pretty nicely, some changes and few notes shown:
- Toon Link is removed to represent Zelda with the correct number of reps.
- Pokemon Trainer was also removed for the same reason above, I putted Zoroark in his place.
- Ike is removed for Anna. (Ike is still DLC don't forget that)
- Pit has a Dark Pit Transformation (Only can turn to him after final smash)
And I might have realized giving Sable his 2 seperate forms gives overrepresentation to his franchise. (I can't change who he really is)

 

[Swift Fox]

Not sure if serious.

half serious

I was skeptical about giant characters, after all. Especially for Ridley, who was SSE boss.

 

[Opossum]

half serious

I was skeptical about giant characters, after all. Especially for Ridley, who was SSE boss.

To be fair, Charizard was a Poke Ball before Brawl. They could probably change his role.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

So what do you guys think about this roster that i found?

http://nintendofandj.deviantart.com...ii-U-and-3DS-Roster-Prediction-384328289?hf=1

My thoughts:
1. Wonder Red, as much as i'd love to have him in Smash, should probably be replaced with Isaac.
2. Lol Krystal.....but at least he kept Wolf.

Pretty meh roster really. I'd give that a 7/10 and why is Bayonetta on it? She has NO chance

A new roster: 50 characters (55 with transformations: Dark Pit, ZSS, Sheik, Sable Frog Form and Sable Snake Form)

One thing to note: Cut characters are DLC, that's pretty much how I based this.
I managed to take care of representation pretty nicely, some changes and few notes shown:
- Toon Link is removed to represent Zelda with the correct number of reps.
- Pokemon Trainer was also removed for the same reason above, I putted Zoroark in his place.
- Ike is removed for Anna. (Ike is still DLC don't forget that)
- Pit has a Dark Pit Transformation (Only can turn to him after final smash)
And I might have realized giving Sable his 2 seperate forms gives overrepresentation to his franchise. (I can't change who he really is)

Needs more Lucario

Really, why does Mario and Pokemon have 4 reps yet Zelda have 3 (not counting Sheik?). I'd add a newcomer to that series

Seriously, no. Dark Pit is just gonna be an alt attire. Not final smash

Anna doesn't have a chance imo and Alph can be an alt attire.

7.5/10

 

[BluePikmin11]

Pretty meh roster really. I'd give that a 7/10 and why is Bayonetta on it? She has NO chance


Needs more Lucario Quit trolling.. Also I have a good feeling Zoroark needs to implemented to a character, that's why I replaced him with Zoroark.

Really, why does Mario and Pokemon have 4 reps yet Zelda have 3 (not counting Sheik?). I'd add a newcomer to that series I keep representation to 4 characters.. that's why. Sheik counts.

Seriously, no. Dark Pit is just gonna be an alt attire. Not final smash So it's not a good idea to put in?, Also counting Dark Pit, I think KI deserves 3 reps.

Anna doesn't have a chance imo and Alph can be an alt attire. (Let's see, because I wish Anna to happen and she has been a reccuring character in FE so it gives a good compliment, and Alph's situation is currently unknown, so I'm just predicting we'll have him for Flying and Rock Pikmin (Along with Red, Blue, and Yellow)

7.5/10

 

[Deleted member]

Everyone posts rosters these days.

I remember when I used to....
But ever since Wii Fit Trainer, I've pretty much stopped serious speculation such as roster making. Too unpredictable to be worth it.

 

[FalKoopa]

- Toon Link is removed to represent Zelda with the correct number of reps.

Correct number of reps? What the hell?

- Pokemon Trainer was also removed for the same reason above, I putted Zoroark in his place.

Error detected.

- Ike is removed for Anna. (Ike is still DLC don't forget that)

Anna is better for DLC. Ike deserves to be on the main roster.

- Pit has a Dark Pit Transformation (Only can turn to him after final smash)

Since when did a palette swap count as a separate character?


Also, why did you add Alph, who looks like Olimar's twin? Put someone like Charlie or Brittany, who atleast look a little different.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Everyone posts rosters these days.

I remember when I used to....
But ever since Wii Fit Trainer, I've pretty much stopped serious speculation such as roster making. Too unpredictable to be worth it.

I think you need to be aware what Nintendo series are popular these days.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I think you need to be aware what Nintendo series are popular these days.

Because you were sooooooo into Wii Fit Trainer before, amirite?

 

[Swift Fox]

To be fair, Charizard was a Poke Ball before Brawl. They could probably change his role.

That's not what I mean

Ridley is pretty much S.O.L. when he was seen as SSE boss showing his true size in the Smash series. It'd be weird to extensively down-sizing him in the next Smash game.

Charizard is different story...

 

[BluePikmin11]

Correct number of reps? What the hell?

4 reps is IMO the best number to give space for other characters.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Everyone posts rosters these days.

I remember when I used to....
But ever since Wii Fit Trainer, I've pretty much stopped serious speculation such as roster making. Too unpredictable to be worth it.

Well, since the Wii Fit Trainer was probably our WTF character, I think it's safe to say that it's okay to start serious speculation, as all the huge Nintendo icons are up in the air at the moment.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Because you were sooooooo into Wii Fit Trainer before, amirite?

No, unfortunately I wasn't, and that is the reason why I was so surprised of Wii Fit Trainer, never cared to buy a Wii Fit.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

4 reps is IMO the best number to give space for other characters.

But you have 3.

 

[Autumn ♫]

A new roster: 50 characters (55 with transformations: Dark Pit, ZSS, Sheik, Sable Frog Form and Sable Snake Form)

One thing to note: Cut characters are DLC, that's pretty much how I based this.
I managed to take care of representation pretty nicely, some changes and few notes shown:
- Toon Link is removed to represent Zelda with the correct number of reps.
- Pokemon Trainer was also removed for the same reason above, I putted Zoroark in his place.
- Ike is removed for Anna. (Ike is still DLC don't forget that)
- Pit has a Dark Pit Transformation (Only can turn to him after final smash)
And I might have realized giving Sable his 2 seperate forms gives overrepresentation to his franchise. (I can't change who he really is)

I find your lack of a 4th Zelda character disturbing.
That and your lack of the Pokemon Trainer, Ike, and K.Rool
Why do you have Dark Pit transformable from Pit? Doesn't make much sense.

 

[BluePikmin11]

But you have 3.

4 = extremely popular franchises.
3= very popular franchises.
2= decent popular franchises.
1= other Nintendo franchises with popularity.
In a popular nutshell.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

4 = extremely popular franchises.
3= very popular franchises.
2= decent popular franchises.
1= other Nintendo franchises with popularity.
In a popular nutshell.

I'm pretty sure Zelda falls under 4.

It has for the last 2 games after all.

Plus why does DK have 2 when its more popular than Starfox? This rule is flawed.

 

[FalKoopa]

4 = extremely popular franchises.
3= very popular franchises.
2= decent popular franchises.
1= other Nintendo franchises with popularity.
In a popular nutshell.

Sir, you are grossly under-estimating Legend of Zelda and Pokémon's level of popularity.
Pokémon had six characters in Brawl

 

[BluePikmin11]

I find your lack of a 4th Zelda character disturbing.
That and your lack of the Pokemon Trainer, Ike, and K.Rool
AGAIN DLC!

Why do you have Dark Pit transformable from Pit? Doesn't make much sense. (You can look at it moveset-wise if you played KI:U, and you will know what I'm talking about)

 

[TumblrFamous]

Correct number of reps? What the hell?

Error detected.

Anna is better for DLC. Ike deserves to be on the main roster.

Since when did a palette swap count as a separate character?


Also, why did you add Alph, who looks like Olimar's twin? Put someone like Charlie or Brittany, who atleast look a little different.

Funny funny. I agree with all of that. I think we should keep at least 4 reps for Zelda. Personally, I'm fine with keeping the 4 reps we have now, just redesigning and buffing them.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Sir, you are grossly under-estimating Legend of Zelda and Pokémon's level of popularity.

1. Link
2. Zelda
3. Sheik
4. Ganondorf

1. Pikachu
2. Jigglypuff
3. Mewtwo
4. Zoroark

4 characters
I really don't want to go overboard now, I rather keep it at 4 now to (again again) give space)

@Swampasaur Because I didn't want to go over 50 slots (not including the random button). I can definitely put Dixie there next if I want to.

 

[Autumn ♫]

On the roster.
I've played KI. I still don't see why he should transform into Dark Pit.

 

[Deleted member]

I think you need to be aware what Nintendo series are popular these days.

Popularity isn't everything.

 

[BluePikmin11]

On the roster.
I've played KI. I still don't see why he should transform into Dark Pit.

To give (moveset wise) diversity with other KI:U weapons with Dark Pit.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Popularity isn't everything.

Preach it, brother!

 

[FalKoopa]

1. Link
2. Zelda
3. Sheik
4. Ganondorf

1. Pikachu
2. Jigglypuff
3. Mewtwo
4. Zoroark

I don't want to argue when you use such a flawed logic like this. There has no Smash game yet where Mario, Zelda and Pokémon had the same number of characters.

It's only Brawl that gave each the same number of slots (on the character select screen).

You are looking at a non-existent rule/pattern.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Popularity isn't everything.

But Wii Fit is very popular.
But before you tell me it can have more than one rep, it doesn't really need to, as Wii Fit Trainer can represent it as a whole, as it's just about being fit.

 

[Deleted member]

Well, since the Wii Fit Trainer was probably our WTF character, I think it's safe to say that it's okay to start serious speculation, as all the huge Nintendo icons are up in the air at the moment.

Who said that there will only be one "WTF" character?

Bear in mind, what we consider a "WTF" is not the same as what Sakurai does.
By Sakurai's standards, only Wii Fit Trainer can be reportedly be known as one, since that was why she was included in the first place; because no one would expect her. And I suppose Roy, due to the fact he was added when even Japan had no idea who he was.

By our standards, a "WTF" is anyone that is "random" to us. This includes characters like R.O.B., Snake, Pokémon Trainer, Mr. Game & Watch, Dr. Mario, Ice Climbers, etc.

But Wii Fit is very popular.
But before you tell me it can have more than one rep, it doesn't really need to, as Wii Fit Trainer can represent it as a whole, as it's just about being fit.

Sakurai didn't add Wii Fit Trainer due to popularity. He added her because no one would expect her.
It goes along with what he said before about "adding only popular characters doesn't excite him".

So no, using popularity as an excuse is bull****.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Sakurai didn't add Wii Fit Trainer due to popularity.

So no, using popularity as an excuse is bull****.

Yes I know, maybe you can look at the potential of Wii Fit Trainer's moveset and how fun she would be, that could be the reason why.

 

[Autumn ♫]

I don't want to argue when you use such a flawed logic like this. There has no Smash game yet where Mario, Zelda and Pokémon had the same number of characters.

It's only Brawl that gave each the same number of slots (on the character select screen).

You are looking at a non-existent rule/pattern.

But, when you look at the number of slots in each Smash game, the balance is pretty equal looking back at 64, Melee, and Brawl, which leads me to believe that Sakarai counts the number of slots for franchise representation. But yes, Zelda should have 4 slots if Pokemon does

 

[TumblrFamous]

I don't want to argue when you use such a flawed logic like this. There has no Smash game yet where Mario, Zelda and Pokémon had the same number of characters.

It's only Brawl that gave each the same number of slots (on the character select screen).

You are looking at a non-existent rule/pattern.

Yeah, I agree. While Sakurai counts separate characters as characters, I believe he keeps the slots themselves balanced. I think 5/4/4 or 5/5/5 for Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon slots is the most likely scenario for the next game.

 

[mimgrim]

This thread moves so fast I stopped getting alerts to when people post in here. And I'm currently in lazy mood right now, so someone catch me up on what is the topic at hand atm please. :C

 

[BluePikmin11]

Doesn't he count seperate characters also, that is the reason why I kept it four characters for a franchise, if it was based on it and the goal.

This thread moves so fast I stopped getting alerts to when people post in here. And I'm currently in lazy mood right now, so someone catch me up on what is the topic at hand atm please. :C

The Wii Fit Trainer's reason of inclusion, and representation of a franchise.

 

[Deleted member]

Zelda does not need to have the same number of "characters", "slots", or whatever to Mario or Pokémon.

For one, never have the three been even outside of Brawl's number of "slots".
For two, comparing Zelda to Pokémon is not a good comparison. After Mario, Pokémon is Nintendo's 2nd most major franchise in general. Zelda is a not-so-close 3rd, and is only 3rd because Donkey Kong fell from its pedestal.

Yes I know, maybe you can look at the potential of Wii Fit Trainer's moveset and how fun she would be, that could be the reason why.

That still doesn't attribute to popularity no matter how you slice it. So no, using popularity as an excuse does not help.
We know for a fact that Sakurai added her because she was such an unexpected pick. The potential for a fitness-based moveset while plausible of a reason, is likely second-nature.