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Aeron's first party. It's owned by the same people who made Xenoblade.
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Xenoblade was made by Monolith Soft.
They didn't make Pandora's Tower. Ganbarion did.

And it was published by Nintendo everywhere except North America. XSeed Games published it there.
 
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I still think axe users might be in the same category as knife/gun users, since axes are another thing that children could easily find around the house.

As far as chain users go... I know it ain't happening, but I would love it if Bowser's side B was changed to him swinging a chain chomp around his head and then throwing it on release, a la Super Mario RPG.

As far as actual chain users go... Simon Belmont. His whip, when upgraded, is turned into a chain flail. Do itttt, Sakurai.
 
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I'd be more worried about the other characters getting cut...that axe is sharp. :troll:
 
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MY ASSIST TROPHY PREDICTIONS (DISCLAIMER: This is not a list of characters that can't be playable or that can only be assist trophies. These are the characters I predict will be assist trophies.)
 
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Noah J. Linderer said:
MY ASSIST TROPHY PREDICTIONS (DISCLAIMER: This is not a list of characters that can't be playable or that can only be assist trophies. These are the characters I predict will be assist trophies.)
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I just want to ask...do you think this will be all of the Assist Trophies, or do you think there will be the ones from Brawl in addition to these?
 
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The Gameboy is really underappreciated. I consider For the Frog The Bell Tolls and Mole Mania great games for the Gameboy, it deserves representation for characters as much as The Mysterious Muramase Castle and Duck Hunt are considered great games for the NES.
 
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I still think axe users might be in the same category as knife/gun users, since axes are another thing that children could easily find around the house.

As far as chain users go... I know it ain't happening, but I would love it if Bowser's side B was changed to him swinging a chain chomp around his head and then throwing it on release, a la Super Mario RPG.

As far as actual chain users go... Simon Belmont. His whip, when upgraded, is turned into a chain flail. Do itttt, Sakurai.
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After playing a bit of Kirby Return to Dreamland, and using Whip-Kirby... I have a hunch that would be EXACTLY how Kirby would act if he were to absorb Simon Belmont. It just makes so much sense...
 
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Now V-Create, on the other hand...
 
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Noah J. Linderer said:
I'll have to respectfully disagree that it IS a reason to discredit someone as a PLAYABLE character, and that most of these are not in my eyes or very many "worthy of being deemed a Nintendo All-Star" Muddy Mole, Prince Sable, and Lip. Also usually the only time a character gets in without move set potential is if Sakurai views the character as an essential All-Star (Fox & C. Falcon) to the point where it would be so necessary as to make up moves because of how important the character is to Nintendo OR making them a Semi-clone (Falco, Wolf, Luigi, 2nd Link). Just because a character has a full move-set doesn't mean it's good or unique from another character.
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Again, what does this make the Ice Climbers? Or any other potential retro newcomers? Wasn't it the idea to bring back lesser known characters in the first place?
Muddy Mole would be interesting, considering that he has been mentioned by Sakurai during production of the two previous games and Muddy being the last of Miyamoto's IPs to not have a playable character in Smash (As of now, anyways). Stated before, no character currently has the ability to burrow underground, That gives Muddy a huge amount moveset potential alone.
Lip's franchise has been referenced in both of the previous games, so it's possible that she'll finally make an appearance with the mixup battle style Opossum mentioned. But we'll have to see if she'll remain as being referenced rather than being playable.



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Take Magnus for example. What would he do other than weild a sword. Don't we have enough characters that just weild swords. He'd probably be an Ike clone. And Urban Champion doesn't have move set potential that would be unique from C. Falcon and Little Mac. Different doesn't always equal unique. And Sakurai stated in a recent interview that a lot of characters are picked when they have REALLY good move set potential.
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In Magnus's case, the Magnus Club (Weapon usable by Pit that was modeled after Magnus's sword) has the ability to use the wind. It can fire wind bursts as a projectile and even create a small tornado. There are also the Powers given to Pit and the Fighters in Multiplayer by the Gods and Goddesses to be used in battle. It's possible Magnus could be given something akin to those to use in battle too. Having a big sword doesn't automatically mean clone, you also have to consider how Magnus would use the weapon different from Ike.

I sadly can't say much for the Urban Champion, seeing as there really isn't anything to make him unique really. He would make an interesting Assist Trophy though.
 
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Noah J. Linderer said:
MY ASSIST TROPHY PREDICTIONS (DISCLAIMER: This is not a list of characters that can't be playable or that can only be assist trophies. These are the characters I predict will be assist trophies.)
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Can we post AT ideas on this board? Just wondering because I have a few pictures I would like to share.
 
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Noah, did you see my critique of your roster?
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I did, I got caught up watching Scott Pilgrim though. :p


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Just a critique. I think Bowser Jr. is more likely than Paper Mario tbh. I like how you included K. Rool, I agree with that one. Idk what makes you think Lyn is going to be in though, I don't see Fire emblem jumping up by two reps. They may be big enough for 4 reps, but I just don't see it happenening due to priority, and if it does, definantly roy over lyn. There isn't much of a flashy character selection in fire emblem, and we have who merits a spot with Marth, Ike, and Chrom. I don't think Golden Sun will get a rep, but if it did I think it'd be Isaac. I don't think Starfy is likely at all. As for LoZ three things could happen. It could stay the same as in brawl, Classic Link could replace Toon Link, Or we could get a new rep. If that happens I think Tingle is the only reasonable addition. Good job here. Props on Ridley, Props on Palutena. But there's a problem with your "neomew". There are two new forms. Not one. So if you suggest he should stay in his new form, which one, and why is it fair to pick one? I think just Mewtwo original is better and what the fans (me) want anyways. His new forms should be represented, but not as his main form. Props Little Mac, Takamaru, Shulk. Now....Sheriff....why are you so adamant about this not so special retro character? I suppose none of them standout, but you sure do like sheriff. Enough to put him on a roster that you are trying to predict the final outcome with regardless of having no real reason to. But I can't bash you, because when it comes to retros we're basically pulling out of a hat. Now here's the worst part I think.....Bomberman....really? I think there's a reason bomberman is not discussed on these boards often. It's just....so unlikely. Hudson is such a small company now, and Bomberman isn't popular to boot. Yet you predict him? I don't understand. Megaman made it in because of his popularity. He was requested A LOT. He didn't just make it because of his fighting capabilities. He just shot stuff in the games he's based on anyway. Also...you cut Lucario. Probably not gonna happen. And why cut Sonic and Snake? Snake was in as a personal favor. Cutting him in the next game would be **** to many Snake users, which Sakurai knows, and to one of his personal friends. And Sonic? Is Sonic. A SEGA rep. Sonic the Hedgehog made it in due to popularity, like Megaman, and would have backlash worse than Mewtwo. Now I understand you not having Pacman. He isn't extremely popular sadly. But if namco bandai gets a representative, (which is really what we should be asking when speculating Pacman,) It will be Pacman. And they will get a rep before Hudson.
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Lyn: She is actually one of THE most popular FE Characters. And if you ask me she has the most move potential of ANY Fire Emblem character. She's up there just in case. But, I'd rather have Roy over chrom.

Starfy: How is he not one of the MOST likely of all. 4 GBA Installments, a fifth Western release on DS and a whole lot of move set potential. Tell me why he's unlikely again? Let a lone not likely AT ALL!?!?!? If your defense is somehow Sakurai hates him. Let me inform you that Sakurai would be a terrible director if he refrained from adding characters due to his OWN personal preference.

NeoMew: He is because Mewtwo wouldn't count as a 6th gen Poke'mon which would call for a lot of confusion. 3 Poke'mon reps that need to stay, Mewtwo being essential, a roster with limitations, and we have to have a NEW Poke'mon. That's why I have NeoMew as his own character. Plus if Mewtwo transforms into NeoMew; NeoMew wouldn't have a move set that's unique from Mewtwo, unique enough to warrant him his own move set. If it's just a change in looks there is no problem with the 2nd form being available, but the case would either be transforming between 2 things too similar to be their own characters or if NeoMew is the form earned through Final Smash that would make it entirely pointless to start out as Mewtwo because he wouldn't be powerful or his Final Smash is abnormally powerful and Smash Balls would have to be turned on. And we go back to not having a 6th gen Poke'mon.

Sheriff: He is a likely retro rep to me and some others. He is basically the equivalent to Ice Climbers. Not a COMPLETE classic, but not too obscure either. He was an international arcade game a well as the first Nintendo game. But, he's not the most likely on my official roster. I deserve credit for having reasons. Not agreeing with a character does not equal no reason.

Golden Sun: I think they deserve a playable character.

Lucario: Having a 6th gen rep IS important regardless of how much I obsess with Lucario.

Snake & Sonic: This is because of roster limitations and they are not Nintendo so there is a possibility they MAY not be as prioritized. But, there's really nothing to defend removing Sonic, but that because he's like the 2nd most iconic game character and one of the most wanted reps of all time and it's hard to imagine SSB without him. Though, It has NOT been confirmed if 3rd Parties are one time things for each installment.

Bomberman....really? I think there's a reason bomberman is not discussed on these boards often. It's just....so unlikely. Hudson is such a small company now, and Bomberman isn't popular to boot. Yet you predict him? I don't understand. Megaman made it in because of his popularity. He was requested A LOT. He didn't just make it because of his fighting capabilities. He just shot stuff in the games he's based on anyway.

Okay, this calls for it' own list.

1. He's not popular!?!?!?!?!? Bomberman mind you is one of the most popular third party games ever if not more iconic than Metal Gear Solid. I seriously can't believe what I'm hearing. He certainly has the most relations with Nintendo and is often mistaken for a Nintendo rep himself in the past.

2. If you read the recent interview from Sakurai he himself mentioned that the moves he takes from Bosses in Mega Man 2 was a HUGE influential decision to put him in and if I recall I think he said it was more influential than his popularity. So yeah, he did kind of make it in because of his move potential and he did not just shoot stuff.

3. The reason nobody has Bomberman is because fans are too afraid to add somebody that may or may not technically count as a Konami rep. Plain & Simple and I see no other reason not to have Bomberman. Also when did the company a character is from or said company's status affect an incredibly popular and iconic character getting into smash unless the rights are off limits?

I appreciate getting a roster critique. Also no applause necessary for Shulk, Palutena, Little Mac, Ridley etc. EVERYONE has them.
 
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Noah....

You know Hudson doesn't exist anymore right?
 
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You know, something's been bugging me lately...

What's the big deal with Palutena?

*instantly gets exterminated by almost every member on this forum*
 
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SchAlternate said:
Do you really think Geno should an assist trophy?
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Honestly his purpose as an Assist Trophy is to get fans to shut the **** up.

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I just want to ask...do you think this will be all of the Assist Trophies, or do you think there will be the ones from Brawl in addition to these?
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Of course Brawl ones will return, but I'm not gonna post them all :laugh:

Also if anyone is wondering who Louie is he's my Bomberman Trophy. Count Bleck is the Paper Mario one, Byrne is the Toon one, and Zero is the Mega Man one (obviously)

Wouldn't you guys be excited for Silver as an AT "IT'S NO USE!!!!!!!!!!!!"

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Noah....

You know Hudson doesn't exist anymore right?
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Products and services will continue to be developed and offered under the Hudson brand through Konami Digital Entertainment.
 
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Noah J. Linderer said:
Products and services will continue to be developed and offered under the Hudson brand through Konami Digital Entertainment.
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Hudson doesn't exist anymore. Products owned under the Hudson Brand will be offered through Konami, as Konami now owns and has absorbed Hudson.
 
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Hudson doesn't exist anymore. Products owned under the Hudson Brand will be offered through Konami, as Konami now owns and has absorbed Hudson.
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Yet they are still Hudson Characters and are branded as such. They are Hudson Characters that Konami has rights to, not Konami characters that Konami has rights to.
 
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Noah J. Linderer said:
I did, I got caught up watching Scott Pilgrim though. :p
Good show

I put input next to your input


Lyn: She is actually one of THE most popular FE Characters. And if you ask me she has the most move potential of ANY Fire Emblem character. She's up there just in case. But, I'd rather have Roy over chrom. That's nice. But Roy won't be in over Chrom because you'd rather it.

Starfy: How is he not one of the MOST likely of all. 4 GBA Installments, a fifth Western release on DS and a whole lot of move set potential. Tell me why he's unlikely again? Let a lone not likely AT ALL!?!?!? If your defense is somehow Sakurai hates him. Let me inform you that Sakurai would be a terrible director if he refrained from adding characters due to his OWN personal preference.
Maybe AT ALL isn't what I should have said. But the deal is, compared to certain newcomers, starfy will not be in before A LOT of others. Not to mention his games sold very little and he is not known very well. Or popular for said reason.

NeoMew: He is because Mewtwo wouldn't count as a 6th gen Poke'mon which would call for a lot of confusion. 3 Poke'mon reps that need to stay, Mewtwo being essential, a roster with limitations, and we have to have a NEW Poke'mon. That's why I have NeoMew as his own character. Plus if Mewtwo transforms into NeoMew; NeoMew wouldn't have a move set that's unique from Mewtwo, unique enough to warrant him his own move set. If it's just a change in looks there is no problem with the 2nd form being available, but the case would either be transforming between 2 things too similar to be their own characters or if NeoMew is the form earned through Final Smash that would make it entirely pointless to start out as Mewtwo because he wouldn't be powerful or his Final Smash is abnormally powerful and Smash Balls would have to be turned on. And we go back to not having a 6th gen Poke'mon.
And why is having a 6th gen rep important? We never got a 3rd gen rep. Even when it was most recent. The only reason I even agree that his other forms should be in in some way or shape is because there is more to his character now, and you can't just leave half of him out.

Sheriff: He is a likely retro rep to me and some others. He is basically the equivalent to Ice Climbers. (How?) Not a COMPLETE classic, but not too obscure either. He was an international arcade game a well as the first Nintendo game. (I don't believe.) But, he's not the most likely on my official roster. I deserve credit for having reasons. Not agreeing with a character does not equal no reason. Of course not. But when it comes to retros, besides some hints we get, we really have no idea who they are going to be. So.....yeah. No more likely than Duck Hunt Dog, Lip, Urban Champion, ect.

Golden Sun: I think they deserve a playable character. Good for you. lol Doesn't mean they will get one. However, I agree with you. I think they do as well. Which still doesn't mean we'll get one.

Lucario: Having a 6th gen rep IS important regardless of how much I obsess with Lucario. It's really not

Snake & Sonic: This is because of roster limitations and they are not Nintendo so there is a possibility they MAY not be as prioritized. But, there's really nothing to defend removing Sonic, but that because he's like the 2nd most iconic game character and one of the most wanted reps of all time and it's hard to imagine SSB without him. Though, It has NOT been confirmed if 3rd Parties are one time things for each installment. They aren't. As I said. Sakurai is not stupid. Backlash would be CRAZY if either of them got removed, plus there are absolutely no reasons to.

Bomberman....really? I think there's a reason bomberman is not discussed on these boards often. It's just....so unlikely. Hudson is such a small company now, and Bomberman isn't popular to boot. Yet you predict him? I don't understand. Megaman made it in because of his popularity. He was requested A LOT. He didn't just make it because of his fighting capabilities. He just shot stuff in the games he's based on anyway.

Okay, this calls for it' own list.

1. He's not popular!?!?!?!?!? Bomberman mind you is one of the most popular third party games ever if not more iconic than Metal Gear Solid. I seriously can't believe what I'm hearing. He certainly has the most relations with Nintendo and is often mistaken for a Nintendo rep himself in the past.
So is Banjo & Kazooie brother. And Metal Gear tbh isn't very iconic. Snake is present as a favor mind you.

2. If you read the recent interview from Sakurai he himself mentioned that the moves he takes from Bosses in Mega Man 2 was a HUGE influential decision to put him in and if I recall I think he said it was more influential than his popularity. So yeah, he did kind of make it in because of his move potential and he did not just shoot stuff. MegaMan 2 is like in my top 15 favorite games. It's a shooting platformer. He shoots stuff and jumps with some degree of leverage for what he shoots. Link to this interview btw?

3. The reason nobody has Bomberman is because fans are too afraid to add somebody that may or may not technically count as a Konami rep. Plain & Simple and I see no other reason not to have Bomberman. Also when did the company a character is from or said company's status affect an incredibly popular and iconic character getting into smash unless the rights are off limits? That's not why lol Just because Hudson Soft is small, isn't the reason that will stop them. The reason that will stop them is that Bomberman is not popular and ionic. If a company was small and had a character like that the companys status would not get in the way. The deal is small companys don't often have characters that are popular enough to join smash. Sonic was hugely requested, Megaman was hugely requested, Snake is a favor, Bomberman is nothing.
I appreciate getting a roster critique. Also no applause necessary for Shulk, Palutena, Little Mac, Ridley etc. EVERYONE has them. Because they are likely.

Also the company Hudson Soft does not exist anymore. They cannot be represented. And Konami has no poster characters even though they own Bomberman. Solid Snake takes the Konami spot as a favor. That should be enough to 100% disconfirm Bomberman. Are you really trying to predict the MOST LIKELY roster?
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Yet they are still Hudson Characters and are branded as such.
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Yeah? Which game has come out since their buyout that brands them as Hudson characters?

They are Hudson Characters that Konami has rights to, not Konami characters that Konami has rights to.
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Konami owns Hudson like Microsoft owns Rare. Actually moreso, once Hudson were bought out, they were also dissolved into Konami. Just like Banjo is now a Microsoft character, Bomberman is now a Konami character.
 
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