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TheLastJinjo

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Hey Noah.

I'm curious...

This is my roster. What do you think?
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No cuts.
Jr can be swapped for Toad.
K.Rool can be swapped for Dixie.
Roy can be swapped for Chrom.

Anyone else can comment if they want.
It's a good roster.

I'm totally 100% up for Roy over Chrom, I really hope it happens and think it should happen.
I'm confused though why every Zelda rep is TP besides Zelda (unless Link is suppose to be SS) I personally am thinking about removing Shulk from MY roster, but there's nothing wrong with Shulk at all. I just wonder whether or not he'd be popular enough for SSB4. Bowser Jr is just as good a choice as Paper Mario, but I think Paper Mario has more move set potential. Both have equal chances so it doesn't matter which one you pick. So yeah, it's a safe and decent Roster so good job.

I hope Sakurai just counts Roy as an awakening rep because he was DLC. He'd be so much more unique, even though ironically he'd be a semi-clone. That's what needs to be.

@Rebellious Treeko: Why are we counting a desire as something to make fun of???
 

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It's a good roster.
Thanks.

I'm totally 100% up for Roy over Chrom, I really hope it happens and think it should happen.
In a perfect world we would have both but yeah, I gotta agree.
I'm confused though why every Zelda rep is TP besides Zelda (unless Link is suppose to be SS)
It was just the first Zelda pic I saw. No meaning in it really.
I@Rebellious Treeko: Why are we counting a desire as something to make fun of???

You mean the Dry Boswer, Skull Kid thing? Because you defend it an awful lot, and the general impression is that you thought they WOULD and SHOULD happen. Not necessarily want.
 

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I can never get the roster maker to work/I don't know how to use it/I'm too lazy to learn, so I'll list my roster a very simple way. I'll just list all newcomers and clarify all the questionable cuts. Like this:
Newcomers Bowser Jr., King K. Rool, Tingle, Ridley, Palutena, Mewtwo w/Awakened form, Lil mac, Chrom, Wii Fit Trainer, Villager, Pacman, Megaman, Mii.
Cuts: Maybe Toon Link. And if so, for young Link or classic Link.
 

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New Roster Update Version 3.0 (BIG SHOUT OUT TO ARIAND/AEM FOR MAKING THE BG'S FOR NINTEN, LYN, LEIF, NEOMEW, SHERIFF, PKMN TRAINER B, TOAD, AND 8-BIT MARIO. FOLLOW HIM ON SMASHBOARDS.)











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Ninten: Works better as a costume and although seeing those PSI powers go unused is dumb, he's not very essential to the representation of Mother.

Dr. Mario (maybe) - He's not a popular Mario rep or a good idea for one. But, being a popular Smash rep who was planned for Brawl MAY give him a chance.

Shy Guy (idea) - NOT a prediction, but he has a lot of potential for Moves. d'be an awesome Yoshi rep. Shy Guy's meh favorite Video Game Character.

Zoroark - Poke'mon characters are tight. If Zoroark was available for a spot than it would be taken by Lucario.

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Dry Bowser - To be either a 2nd set of costumes or a skin that could be accessed between Final Smashes or a new mechanic. (doesn't count as another character.)

NeoMew - I can see either him being the same case as Dry Bowser/Wario or just the entire character. He would thus count as an X/Y rep entirely, plus I can't imagine his moves being unique from Mewtwo.

Bomberman - No, I don't count him as a Konami rep, just like I count Sonic as more of a Sonic Team rep than a SEGA rep. Bomberman originated from Hudson and is probably the other most deserving 3rd Party alongside Mega Man.

Pac-Man - Sakurai mentioned that one of his biggest influences for Mega Man was more so his potential as a fighter and also mentioned Namco Characters are not getting special treatment for helping develop the game. I don't see much move potential for Pac-Man (that would be worth exploiting as a rep.) and I really see Namco working on the game as the only reason to add a Namco rep. Pac-Man is not as popular as a modern character than he was just an Arcade Game people will never forget. Where as Sonic & Snake are very popular as modern AND classic characters. Pac-Man is worthy of being a guest in games, but in my opinion SSB is not one of those games. But, this is just why I don't have him, so don't get your nuts in a bundle.

Waluigi - Biker outfit just represents the mere chance of counting as a Wario rep to make room for a 5th Mario rep. But, it makes more sense to be a Mario rep.

@Swampasaur: Yeah, there's really nothing wrong with the Dry Bowser Skin at all considering he's not his own rep. Only reasons I got are just contradictions of reasons why there is a point in having it. And Skull Kid is still a reasonable choice.
 

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Aside from a few oddball choices like Lyn and a few conflicts of taste, I gotta admit... For once, I actually think I like Noah's roster. It's a shame he doesn't even get to hear me say that I like something about him for once.

I've heard the occasional support for Sheriff before, but he still seems rather obscure to me. Has anyone truly made a moveset for Sheriff yet? One that seems warranted in being in Smash Bros. on part of offering something unique, I mean.
 

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Aw yeah totally worth being stated in big light blue lettering oh man. (Roster is pretty good, but I just wanna say that if you're going to let Mario have 5 characters you should at least let Pokemon have 5 Character slots too).

So yeah I'm going to post my roster too.

Felt like playing with the Waluigi as a Wario character concept. Both of them are able to switch to their Overalls like Wario could in Brawl.
54 Total Characters including transformations, etc.

I almost added Mach Rider / Mii, but figured having random was a better idea.
Also before anyone mentions anything, artwork choice has no meaning for any character (Except Waluigi).
So having this specific artwork for Zelda and Ganondorf hold no meaning to anything.

Please, share your feedback!
 

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Aw yeah totally worth being stated in big light blue lettering oh man. (Roster is pretty good, but I just wanna say that if you're going to let Mario have 5 characters you should at least let Pokemon have 5 Character slots too).

So yeah I'm going to post my roster too.

Felt like playing with the Waluigi as a Wario character concept. Both of them are able to switch to their Overalls like Wario could in Brawl.
54 Total Characters including transformations, etc.

I almost added Mach Rider / Mii, but figured having random was a better idea.
Also before anyone mentions anything, artwork choice has no meaning for any character (Except Waluigi).
So having this specific artwork for Zelda and Ganondorf hold no meaning to anything.

Please, share your feedback!
Wario esque Waluigi is iffy, but everything else is cool.

Would play/10

So....9.
 

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Aw yeah totally worth being stated in big light blue lettering oh man. (Roster is pretty good, but I just wanna say that if you're going to let Mario have 5 characters you should at least let Pokemon have 5 Character slots too).

So yeah I'm going to post my roster too.

Felt like playing with the Waluigi as a Wario character concept. Both of them are able to switch to their Overalls like Wario could in Brawl.
54 Total Characters including transformations, etc.

I almost added Mach Rider / Mii, but figured having random was a better idea.
Also before anyone mentions anything, artwork choice has no meaning for any character (Except Waluigi)

Please, share your feedback!
I like it. Would play.

WarioWare Waluigi is ... interesting. :p

I think Bowser Jr or Toad should get in before Waluigi though.
 

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Aw yeah totally worth being stated in big light blue lettering oh man. (Roster is pretty good, but I just wanna say that if you're going to let Mario have 5 characters you should at least let Pokemon have 5 Character slots too).

So yeah I'm going to post my roster too.

Felt like playing with the Waluigi as a Wario character concept. Both of them are able to switch to their Overalls like Wario could in Brawl.
54 Total Characters including transformations, etc.

I almost added Mach Rider / Mii, but figured having random was a better idea.
Also before anyone mentions anything, artwork choice has no meaning for any character (Except Waluigi).
So having this specific artwork for Zelda and Ganondorf hold no meaning to anything.

Please, share your feedback!

Wow, what a nice roster. Waluigi and Dillon are my only gripes, but other than that minor complaint 9.5/10 would play.
 

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I was wondering, Mario has mainly a quartet of possible characters (paper mario, toad, bowser jr, and waluigi). Is it too much of a stretch to assume that we could get two of the four characters? Hell, Paper Mario and Waluigi are not even apart of the core Super Mario franchise. Of the four characters, from what I have seen, most rosters include either only bowser jr. or paper mario. My question is, why not both?
 

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Wario esque Waluigi is iffy, but everything else is cool.
Yeah, I just really like the idea of it though. You'd expect Waluigi to be with Wario, so why not? After all, Waluigi is a bit more likely than any WarioWare employee and I think the franchise should grow a little bit. It's certainly worthy of having another character.

WarioWare Waluigi is ... interesting. :p
I think Bowser Jr or Toad should get in before Waluigi though.
I think Junior is a tad bit unworthy of being placed with the rest of the cast. Now don't get me wrong, I really like Bowser Jr., but I think that he still needs to wait in line for others. He's certainly DLC / NextSmash worthy for sure though. Someone is going to get really mad that I said Jr. is less worthy than Waluigi...
Toad on the other hand, I can understand why you would suggest that.

I'm still very iffy if the Super Mario Brothers franchise should get another character. I think adding Waluigi as a Wario character would be a nice way to avoid the multiple ones you could choose. Either way I'm still technically adding 2 Mario characters with King K. Rool and Waluigi.

Wow, what a nice roster. Waluigi and Dillon are my only gripes, but other than that minor complaint 9.5/10 would play.
To be honest Dillon really is just my personal taste. He is interchangeable with any other non-represented Nintendo franchise (Starfy, Andy, Mach Rider, etc.).

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I was wondering, Mario has mainly a quartet of possible characters (paper mario, toad, bowser jr, and waluigi). Is it too much of a stretch to assume that we could get two of the four characters? Hell, Paper Mario and Waluigi are not even apart of the core Super Mario franchise. Of the four characters, from what I have seen, most rosters include either only bowser jr. or paper mario. My question is, why not both?
That's a good point, nothing has stopped Mario from getting the most characters in previous games. But the core issue many have with this concept is the problem with representation balance (Which, according to previous games isn't really a big deal). It's just to the point of deciding who would those two be and what justifies them from the others?
If you'd ask me, I would totally advocate for Waluigi and Toad.
Toad for absolute continued relevance in each game and Waluigi for continued relevance in every multiplayer party game.
 

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Toad and Waluigi.... I feel are not as likely as Bowser Jr. From the core Super Mario series, we have Toad and Waluigi as possible choices. Now, I know I may receive some flak for this, but Toad does simply not have as much fighting potential as Bowser Jr. And from Mario miscellaneous franchises, we have Waluigi and Paper Mario. From these two, I think both have an equal chance, but I personally would like Paper Mario, because he would be the Toon Link to Mario, and unlike Toon Link, he could have such a varied moveset than Mario. He would also rep essentially the Mario RPG subseries, which is clearly distinguishing itself from the core Super Mario franchise, much more than say the Sports Mario titles. But I have huge personal bias towards paper mario, so I still doe acknowledge Waluigi. But Toad, I just don't see happening.
 

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Toad and Waluigi.... I feel are not as likely as Bowser Jr. From the core Super Mario series, we have Toad and Waluigi as possible choices. Now, I know I may receive some flak for this, but Toad does simply not have as much fighting potential as Bowser Jr. And from Mario miscellaneous franchises, we have Waluigi and Paper Mario. From these two, I think both have an equal chance, but I personally would like Paper Mario, because he would be the Toon Link to Mario, and unlike Toon Link, he could have such a varied moveset than Mario. He would also rep essentially the Mario RPG subseries, which is clearly distinguishing itself from the core Super Mario franchise, much more than say the Sports Mario titles. But I have huge personal bias towards paper mario, so I still doe acknowledge Waluigi. But Toad, I just don't see happening.
To be fair, fighting potential really is more of a personal standpoint rather than a general one. Every character does have a potential unique moveset.

I think Toad has much better chance due to seniority. I mean, the Toad species is present in every single Mario game. Honestly if SMB does get another character with the Mushroom Icon, it should be the Mushroom himself.
But I do see why you'd want to add Junior, he's such a cool cat- er, turtle (But I think screaming at people and making them small might be a bit op).

Paper Mario is really unlikely. I mean even with his great potential to be his own unique character, after the backlash of clone character I think Sakurai would rather stick away from any new characters who are very similar to existing ones to avoid anything like that to be on the safe side.
 

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To be fair, fighting potential really is more of a personal standpoint rather than a general one. Every character does have a potential unique moveset.

I think Toad has much better chance due to seniority. I mean, the Toad species is present in every single Mario game. Honestly if SMB does get another character with the Mushroom Icon, it should be the Mushroom himself.
But I do see why you'd want to add Junior, he's such a cool cat- er, turtle (But I think screaming at people and making them small might be a bit op).

Paper Mario is really unlikely. I mean even with his great potential to be his own unique character, after the backlash of clone character I think Sakurai would rather stick away from any new characters who are very similar to existing ones to avoid anything like that to be on the safe side.

Although Paper Mario IS Mario, Super Mario's Mario and Paper Mario's Mario are not cannon. I also really think the Paper Mario would be less of a clone in terms of moveset than even Luigi is to Mario, and people don't even consider Luigi to be a clone anymore.
 

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Although Paper Mario IS Mario, Super Mario's Mario and Paper Mario's Mario are not cannon.
I suppose that is true, but what really can be considered cannon in the Mario franchise?
I mean does Waluigi even exist then? I mean he isn't in the main Platforming games in form, so is he just from another universe or something?
That's it, he's from the WAAverse where he is the main character in every game ever.
I also really think the Paper Mario would be less of a clone in terms of moveset than even Luigi is to Mario, and people don't even consider Luigi to be a clone anymore.
I agree with this. I really do think Paper Mario could really be his own unique fully fledged character. I mean he has Partners, the Ability to fold, Pixels, and a Hammer. It's just the idea of another Mario could give others the thought of him being Dr. Mario 2.0.
 

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@Ariand/AEM Yes, Dr. Mario. He got into Melee, and was even planned for Brawl. Paper Mario can be so much more than Dr. Mario, and then some. Also, I like to think that the Mario Sports titles simply take place in Mario's free time.... in a time where Mario and Bowser's only rivalry is to see who could become the better athlete :awesome:.
 

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I don't know if this is a realistic roster or a wishlist. I'm assuming realistic. My thoughts:

1) I highly doubt Mario will get 2 reps, let alone 1.
2) No K.Rool makes me sad
3) 4th Star Fox rep is pushing it imo
4) Replacing Snake with Simon is unlikely, not to mention scrapping Sonic as well.

Besides that i'd be fine with it.
I feel like there is a good chance of them getting at least one new one, and a decent chance of them getting 2. I mostly go with 2 though because I can't decide between King Boo and Waluigi who imo have good chance along with Bowser Jr. :/
Dixie can be swapped out for Rool as the 3rd DK rep and it becomes personal prefrence on which one will get in as both have an even chance pretty much .
It is pushing it, but I don't think it's totally far out there of not being plausible and if you think about it Starfox has gotten a new character each game ad Krystal could easily finish off the Starfox reps.
I wanted to keep Sonic buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut couldn't find the room and I go with Simon because he actually brings mor to Nintendo then Snake does, allot more.
 

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Here's my roster...



I wanted both added Toad over Bowser Jr. or Waluigi because he was one of the original Mario characters and he could have a interesting moveset.
I wanted Avatar from FE,but I decided that Chrom was more deserving and I kept Ike.
Kept Lucario and Mewtwo due to them both having different moveset potential and both being popular.
I'd be ok with Lucario or Ike being cut for another rep.
 

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I would like to mention that tomorrow, in Japan, is a holiday so we may or may not see a screenshot update tomorrow.
 

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a. That's back before Black/White. We have no idea who's among the most popular now.
b. NintendoWorld got the results wrong. It's Mew that was 5th Place in the poll, not Meowth.
a. It will most likely be the same aside from the legendaries, and as Schalternate stated before, if not for the fact that they were giving the winning pokemon away, Pikachu and Meowth might've been higher.
b.No they didn't. I went back and checked and they listed Siliconera as their source, and it provided the same results. Other sites, Joystiq, Qj, and Swiftor also has these results. The only site that said otherwise was Kotaku, and,surprisingly, it was the only website that didn't list a source. Meowth was 5th most popular. Not Mew.
 
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a. It will most likely be the same aside from the legendaries, and as Schalternate stated before, if not for the fact that they were giving the winning pokemon away, Pikachu and Meowth might've been higher.
b.No they didn't. I went back and checked and they listed Siliconera as their source, and it provided the same results. Other sites, Joystiq, Qj, and Swiftor also has these results. The only site that said otherwise was Kotaku, and,surprisingly, it was the only website that didn't list a source. Meowth was 5th most popular. Not Mew.
No, it was Mew.
All of the sites got it ****ing wrong.
There was actually an image for the results taken from the poll itself, though strangely, it seemed to have been completely wiped off the face of the earth.

Thankfully, I found one image still up, as ****ty as it is. Decided to save it before it disappears too.


You'd have to be blind to not see that's Mew and not Meowth.

Also worth noting is that Meowth isn't within the Top 10 for America either. (Though admittedly, there was some trolling with that, as Ditto, Mudkip, and Magikarp are within the Top 10.)
 

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There...is this any better? I added back in Ike and Lucario. The only character cut is Jigglypuff, which is a character I'm already seriously unsure of in so many ways for so many reasons.
+100 points for readding Lucario. You thought well grasshopper

What....what?! Cut Jigglypuff? Lucario/Ike/Toon Link are WAY more questionable of returning than it is. But hey, you can't please everyone, so just piss off Lucario fans instead.:p
How about no? Lucario is gonna stay

I've made some edits to my DLC roster from awhile back



Edit: Pokemon Trainer will still do the 3 Pokemon combo, but keep Charizard and get Totodile and Grovyle
 

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Aw yeah totally worth being stated in big light blue lettering oh man. (Roster is pretty good, but I just wanna say that if you're going to let Mario have 5 characters you should at least let Pokemon have 5 Character slots too).

So yeah I'm going to post my roster too.

Felt like playing with the Waluigi as a Wario character concept. Both of them are able to switch to their Overalls like Wario could in Brawl.
54 Total Characters including transformations, etc.

I almost added Mach Rider / Mii, but figured having random was a better idea.
Also before anyone mentions anything, artwork choice has no meaning for any character (Except Waluigi).
So having this specific artwork for Zelda and Ganondorf hold no meaning to anything.

Please, share your feedback!
I'm giving "SUPER Credit" :p

Love it. I totally want to see Biker Waluigi as a Wario rep. It'd be awesome. I think that's what should happen and I really want Waluigi as SSSB Rep. It's not impossible and actually fairly likely. (Also be cool to see him in some Wario Games.)

DISCLAIMER: No offense to people with these characters.

I think there needs to be a clear distinction between what characters are popular enough and have enough move set potential for PLAYABLE Charactes. And what characters are Popular enough and/or have as much move set potential to be ASSIST CHARACTERS (trophies)

This is the list of Top 10 Roster characters I think should be Assist Trophies. (in no particular order)

1. Impa
2. Magnus (From Kid Icarus Uprising)
3. Muddy Mole
4. Dillon
5. Lip
6. Duck Hunt Dog (as a dud)
7. Prince Sable
8. Urban Champiom (I think someone mentioned him in this thread recently)
9. Balloon Fighter
10. Michaiah (From Fire Emblem)

But, that's just my opinion.
 

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Any changes you would make?

I am considering replacing Genesect with Zoroark. And working on the DLC a bit.
Yea.... Awakening won't get 2 character slots, at the most they might end up getting 2 characters in one slot to show off the Pair Up feature.Take out Robin for Ike. Also why Johto Trainer and not Pokemon Trainer? As you realise Pokemon Trainer can have any Pokemon Sakurai gives due to not being region specific. e_e
 
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Yea.... Awakening won't get 2 character slots, at the most they might end up getting 2 characters in one slot to show off the Pair Up feature.Take out Robin for Ike. Also why Johto Trainer and not Pokemon Trainer? As you realise Pokemon Trainer can have any Pokemon Sakurai gives due to not being region specific. e_e
Robin basically represents multiple games, being the new tactician/avatar.
If that pair up feature happens, then I could see Chrom and Robin.
And if Red got new Pokemon, sure. One should be Blaziken. :laugh:

Readd Lucario, remove Genesect
Remove Robin for Ike
Impa I think should be removed for Toon Link
And Johto Trainer? C'mon now. Put Red back in
Giving Gen 5 a rep, although I think Lucario should stay over Red (I don't think both should return, the roster would be too much like Brawl then).
Robin reps multiple games
Impa could go I guess
And like I said, I see one or the other staying in terms of Brawl's newcomers. Lucario would be a better choice and knowing you then you would be happy for that.
 
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Hey, can someone repost that one image of characters from all over the internet that people want?
The one that had a bunch of anime characters, Disney, etc.
I want to see it again and can't seem to find it. :laugh:

I want to show a friend of mine that I wasn't kidding when I told him that the internet apparently wants James P. Sullivan in Smash. :troll:
 

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Any changes you would make?

I am considering replacing Genesect with Zoroark. And working on the DLC a bit.
Genesect over Lucario is No. And Seriously? Simon Belmont over Bomberman??? If you're gonna remove Snake I highly doubt Bomberman wouldn't be prioritized over Pac-Man and Simon Belmont. Not that I really count BM as a Konami rep.

Also don't be afraid to add Starfy at all. He's like Way in my top 10 MOST likely characters. I have no idea what other people are thinking that he's not.

Not familiar with Mike Jones, Adam, Areon, or Zael. If those last 2 are XenoBlade than that's too many. I was gonna add a second GS rep (Karis) a while back. But, thats too many as well.

If you have 5 Zelda Characters I suggest one of them be Toon Link and that Impa be an Assist Trophy. Also if Diddy & Dixie are together add King K. Rool. If you're gonna have Robin and Chrom replace Chrom with Robin. Ike is the second most popular Lord and as of recently I am concerned we MAY not even get 1 Awakening Rep.

I support Sheriff as he his an Arcade rep as well as the first Nintendo Game. I believe he is the equivalent to Ice Climbers.
 

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So I went a LOT of places on this lovely place known as the inter-web, and I've complied a big list of the most wanted characters in this game. Basically anyone who was mentioned more than 3 times is on here. Anyone circled in Red is requested a lot, and anyone in Gold is basically one of the most requested ever and everywhere I searched. Yes, unfortunately, I also went to YouTube! :p SO! Out of these which 10 would you most like to see? Not your prediction, just who you want. I read these threads everyday and you all fight over why someone can't get in. Well I think you should all chill for a bit and just forget all the rules! You have MONTHS to argue over who will actually be in! :)


Found it!
 

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Robin basically represents multiple games, being the new tactician/avatar.
And if Red got new Pokemon, sure. One should be Blaziken. :laugh:
Robin cannot represent multiple games AT ALL. If you want to rep multiple games Pick a lord who has been in at least 2 games or Anna, who has been in all FE games aside from 1. The only FE game I even know of the used a Tactician sort of thing was the first one to come overseas and it was no where near there detail of what FEA has. Robin only reps Awakening, learn your FE. >_>
 
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