Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[shrooby]

Okay guys grade A idea I came up with it while eating a corndog that was hotter than the sun! Okay so you know the food items right and how people like to hog them and recover health what if some food was super Mutha****** hot and the person would eat it yell (the yell's will be unique to each character) then runaround in circles till there mouth cools down or they get hit punishment for hogging the food! Genius? Yes I know.

I'm sorry, but this thread is for discussing roosters.

 

[Hotfeet444]

I'm sorry, but this thread is for discussing roosters.

Roosters?!

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Okay guys grade A idea I came up with it while eating a corndog that was hotter than the sun! Okay so you know the food items right and how people like to hog them and recover health what if some food was super Mutha****** hot and the person would eat it yell (the yell's will be unique to each character) then runaround in circles till there mouth cools down or they get hit punishment for hogging the food! Genius? Yes I know.

You need to lay off the corndogs.

Also, we already have the curry from Kirby's Dreamland. It's pretty close.

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[God Robert's Cousin]

I'd still like to know how the hell R.O.B. even eats food.

I also wish we had something new to talk about. This thread really is a vicious cycle of topics. Fire Emblem, Pokemon, "guiz luk at me funni roster" circles, Skull Kid talk and Noah ranting, and of course, people complaining about the vicious cycle themselves.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Fire Emblem

Alright, let's talk about this.

The thread has already gone beyond abortion tier, so we might as well.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Well...how about discussing classic characters? Like Takamaru, Little Mac, Sukapon, and more? That's a good topic. Don't look at me, I'm trying to be optimistic!

 

[Sid-cada]

Let me try to break this cycle for a bit then, with a hypothetical scenario:

Let us say that Takamaru was added to the roster, but another retro was added. Who is the next pick?

 

[Hotfeet444]

Let me try to break this cycle for a bit then, with a hypothetical scenario:

Let us say that Takamaru was added to the roster, but another retro was added. Who is the next pick?

Probably Little Mac.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Let me try to break this cycle for a bit then, with a hypothetical scenario:

Let us say that Takamaru was added to the roster, but another retro was added. Who is the next pick?

Lip from Panel de Pon

 

[3Bismyname]

Let me try to break this cycle for a bit then, with a hypothetical scenario:

Let us say that Takamaru was added to the roster, but another retro was added. Who is the next pick?

personally id like Lip. but i could see a character like Mach Rider or maybe even Muddy Mole having a shot.

 

[Reznor]

wait Little Mac isn't retro hes had recent games also best Retro character is Pacman you all know this to be true

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Let me try to break this cycle for a bit then, with a hypothetical scenario:

Let us say that Takamaru was added to the roster, but another retro was added. Who is the next pick?

Mike Jones would make a good surprise character. A character from a Western-only game vs. a character from a Japan-only game.

 

[Opossum]

Why, after Takamaru, you know who everyone would dig? Muddy Mole!


Shameless Plug Number 2!

 

[Hotfeet444]

wait Little Mac isn't retro hes had recent games also best Retro character is Pacman you all know this to be true

He's still technically a retro character. It's not like he's had consistent games coming out every so many years, he's had some classic games and one recent one. It's like Pit. He's still a classic character regardless of Kid Icarus Uprising being a recent game, as a majority of his series are consisted of older titles.

Mike Jones would make a good surprise character. A character from a Western-only game vs. a character from a Japan-only game.

Doesn't Mike Jones basically play like Ness does though? Also, I'm not sure how well-over the character would go since it's being developed by a Japanese developer. It would be nice to introduce Japan to the character though, seeing how they introduced us to Fire Emblem and Mother 3. It's kind of like returning the favor.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Probably Little Mac.

Just for the heck of entering another discussion...

Punch Out is an ongoing franchise. Nazo no Murasame Jo hasn't seen another one since like 1980 something. Little Mac would probably get in before Takamaru, and this 2nd retro anyway.

Little Mac and Takamaru are nowhere near in the same league, if you ask me.

Doesn't Mike Jones basically play like Ness does though? Also, I'm not sure how well-over the character would go since it's being developed by a Japanese developer. It would be nice to introduce Japan to the character though, seeing how they introduced us to Fire Emblem and Mother 3. It's kind of like returning the favor.

So glad you brought up Mike Jones, sine HE would be the REAL counterpart to Takamaru. Not having seen a game since the NES days, and being almost as unknown in the east, as Takamaru in the west (note I said ALMOST).


And no, he wouldn't fight like Ness, just like Marth doesn't fight like Link.

Mike is about QUICK yoyo strikes, and that's just one of his 6 main weapons. This not even counting every single item in StarTropics, let me find that pic...

Every single weapon in StarTropics 1 and 2. :D There's a LOT he could use.

And Mike is the FIRST 1st party character to main a Yoyo. So Ness can go take a hike.
(jk Ness, I like you. But Mike did use a Yoyo first)

 

[Opossum]

I wouldn't say Little Mac is retro anymore. I mean, he's already revived.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Just for the heck of entering another discussion...

Punch Out is an ongoing franchise. Nazo no Murasame Jo hasn't seen another one since like 1980 something. Little Mac would probably get in before Takamaru, and this 2nd retro anyway.

Little Mac and Takamaru are nowhere near in the same league, if you ask me.






So glad you brought up Mike Jones, sine HE would be the REAL counterpart to Takamaru. Not having seen a game since the NES days, and being almost as unknown in the east, as Takamaru in the west (note I said ALMOST).

That's true, but do remember that while the game has not been around for many years, Takamaru has had recent appearances in other titles like Samurai Warriors and an attraction in Nintendo-Land. Also, correct me if I'm wrong since I don't think I collected every sticker in Brawl, but did Mike Jones get a sticker? I ask this because I believe the second Kid Icarus title was looked over all-together in everything in Brawl.

 

[Reznor]

He's still technically a retro character. It's not like he's had consistent games coming out every so many years, he's had some classic games and one recent one. It's like Pit. He's still a classic character regardless of Kid Icarus Uprising being a recent game, as a majority of his series are consisted of older titles.



Doesn't Mike Jones basically play like Ness does though? Also, I'm not sure how well-over the character would go since it's being developed by a Japanese developer. It would be nice to introduce Japan to the character though, seeing how they introduced us to Fire Emblem and Mother 3. It's kind of like returning the favor.

I don't consider Pit retro either he was also revived
you can't be a retro character if you have new games coming out .... but then Pacman isn't a retro character

 

[shinhed-echi]

That's true, but do remember that while the game has not been around for many years, Takamaru has had recent appearances in other titles like Samurai Warriors and an attraction in Nintendo-Land. Also, correct me if I'm wrong since I don't think I collected every sticker in Brawl, but did Mike Jones get a sticker? I ask this because I believe the second Kid Icarus title was looked over all-together in everything in Brawl.

You are correct. Mike didn't even have a sticker in Brawl. Which is ... very rage inducing, to say the least.
But this might be just ignorance from Sakurai's part, and really, I wouldn't put the blame on him. It's Genyo Takeda who should have stepped up and asked for some ST representation. (He also made Punch Out, btw).

I think Pit DID have a sticker based on Myths and Monsters. Just the other day I wanted to make sure Mike didn't have a sticker, and I looked around, and bumped into the Pit sticker I'm talking about. :O

ADDIT:
Takamaru did appear in several cameos, as well as a sort-of remake in SW3.
StarTropics hasn't gotten even as much as a Warioware cameo in 8-bolt's minigames. ...

 

[Hotfeet444]

Mike is about QUICK yoyo strikes, and that's just one of his 6 main weapons. This not even counting every single item in StarTropics, let me find that pic...

Every single weapon in StarTropics 1 and 2. :D There's a LOT he could use.

And Mike is the FIRST 1st party character to main a Yoyo. So Ness can go take a hike.
(jk Ness, I like you. But Mike did use a Yoyo first)

....As long as the Tetris blocks are a final smash, you've got yourself a deal. It's definitely alot to take from, and if they want to put him in, I'd have no problem with it. I need to play that game, I heard it plays alot like the classic 2D Zelda titles.

I don't consider Pit retro either he was also revived
you can't be a retro character if you have new games coming out .... but then Pacman isn't a retro character

Well it's not like Pit has this new game and already has another one planned to be released sometime, I think they ended the series after Uprising. Sure you could have a revival, but is just one game enough to take a character out of the retro character standing?

You are correct. Mike didn't even have a sticker in Brawl. Which is ... very rage inducing, to say the least.
But this might be just ignorance from Sakurai's part, and really, I wouldn't put the blame on him. It's Genyo Takeda who should have stepped up and asked for some ST representation. (He also made Punch Out, btw).

I think Pit DID have a sticker based on Myths and Monsters. Just the other day I wanted to make sure Mike didn't have a sticker, and I looked around, and bumped into the Pit sticker I'm talking about. :O

ADDIT:
Takamaru did appear in several cameos, as well as a sort-of remake in SW3.
StarTropics hasn't gotten even as much as a Warioware cameo in 8-bolt's minigames. ...

Maybe the reason there was nothing of Mike Jones is because he only had a choice of one character getting some attention, and he chose Little Mac. Well, now that Little Mac is one of the most obvious inclusions, maybe Takeda can discuss including Mike Jones or something like that. I'm sure the "We want to show one of our characters to Japan like they did for us" is a pretty good reason. It's always good to give something back after being given so much.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

So glad you brought up Mike Jones, sine HE would be the REAL counterpart to Takamaru. Not having seen a game since the NES days, and being almost as unknown in the east, as Takamaru in the west (note I said ALMOST).

LOL.

And no, he wouldn't fight like Ness, just like Marth doesn't fight like Link.

Mike is about QUICK yoyo strikes, and that's just one of his 6 main weapons. This not even counting every single item in StarTropics, let me find that pic...

Every single weapon in StarTropics 1 and 2. :D There's a LOT he could use.

And Mike is the FIRST 1st party character to main a Yoyo. So Ness can go take a hike.
(jk Ness, I like you. But Mike did use a Yoyo first)

The snowman freeze bomb thing, psychic blasts, etc. Those are the weapons I remember at the moment.

I really would like to see a Startropics stage or just content in general. Hopefully, a music track medley of the overworld and cave themes?

 

[Reznor]

Well it's not like Pit has this new game and already has another one planned to be released sometime, I think they ended the series after Uprising. Sure you could have a revival, but is just one game enough to take a character out of the retro character standing?

It doesn't matter that there aren't others planned they still made a current game so I think its still considered a revival

 

[Deleted member]

Need another retro that's not Takamaru?

Bam.

 

[3Bismyname]

if it werent for Takamaru, i would 100% say Mach Rider has the best shot. now i say he's second best but only barely

 

[Hotfeet444]

Need another retro that's not Takamaru?

Bam.

Would he actually run around and fight with fists or would he be connected to his bike like they were planning to do with the Excitebiker?

 

[Deleted member]

I don't know, ask Ghost Rider.

 

[Silverjay323]

So you can't prove it can you? Give me one piece of information that Jigglypuff is STILL popular, because all I see is an excuse to go searching for one and not find anything.

I can.
1. Jigglypuff was one of the most commonly recurring pokemon in the anime from the indigo league to the Johto chapters, the most popular ones by far.
2. Jiggly is very popular in Japan, mostly with young girls. This is proven with many plushie and other Jigglypuff merchandise only available in Japan., and Jigglypuff has more of this advertisement than other pokemon due to its visual appeal to children.
3. Jiggly has also made prominent appearances in the manga. Green(The main character) owns one in Pokemon adventures, Red caught a Jigglypuff in Pokemon Pocket Monsters, and Ruby has one at home in the Ruby Sapphire manga. It also has made an appearances in Pokemon Magical Journey, Pokemon Zensho, and the electric tale of pikachu.
4. It's on a frickin plane

On the nose to be precise.
5. One of the most popular gen 1 pokemon(more so than eevee) as proven by its more important anime/manga appearances, merchandise, and appearances in 3 Smash games.
6. Jigglypuff is still given support as it was only pokemon from from gen 1 to receive a secondary Fairy typing so far.
7. Jigglypuff survived the cut over Mewtwo and Roy from Melee to Brawl.
and, to wrap things up, is original 12. It's not going anywhere.

 

[Starbound]

Going back to retro characters, I'd like to know what exactly everyone considers the definition of a retro character to be? Seems like we have a lot of different definitions as a group.

Mine is "a character who hasn't appeared in a video game, with the exception of crossovers like Smash Bros., since the NES or original Gameboy, excluding ports/remakes".

So Little Mac or Takamaru wouldn't be considered retro characters to me, whereas Mach Rider and Prince Sable would be.

 

[AEMehr]

Need another retro that's not Takamaru?

Bam.

I don't know, ask Ghost Rider.

Now this is something I can get behind.
If it isn't Muddy Mole or Takamaru, it better be this guy.

 

[Hotfeet444]

I don't know, ask Ghost Rider.

So you want to turn him into a chain-spamming scrub-friendly character who fights from a distance with a long weapon? Gee, that sounds absolutely fantastic. I'm a seasoned MvC veteran, I know just how pathetically bad he was designed.

I can.
1. Jigglypuff was one of the most commonly recurring pokemon in the anime from the indigo league to the Johto chapters, the most popular ones by far.
2. Jiggly is very popular in Japan, mostly with young girls. This is proven with many plushie and other Jigglypuff merchandise only available in Japan., and Jigglypuff has more of this advertisement than other pokemon due to its visual appeal to children.
3. Jiggly has also made prominent appearances in the manga. Green(The main character) owns one in Pokemon adventures, Red caught a Jigglypuff in Pokemon Pocket Monsters, and Ruby has one at home in the Ruby Sapphire manga. It also has made an appearances in Pokemon Magical Journey, Pokemon Zensho, and the electric tale of pikachu.
4. It's on a frickin plane

On the nose to be precise.
5. One of the most popular gen 1 pokemon(more so than eevee) as proven by its more important anime/manga appearances, merchandise, and appearances in 3 Smash games.
6. Jigglypuff is still given support as it was only pokemon from from gen 1 to receive a secondary Fairy typing so far.
7. Jigglypuff survived the cut over Mewtwo and Roy from Melee to Brawl.
and, to wrap things up, is original 12. It's not going anywhere.

*Ahem* to avoid going back to this. I said give me proof that is still popular RIGHT NOW not popular overall/in past years. What, you thought I wasn't aware of how popular Jigglypuff used to be? That's actually quite funny.

 

[Silverjay323]

So you want to turn him into a chain-spamming scrub-friendly character who fights from a distance with a long weapon? Gee, that sounds absolutely fantastic.



*Ahem* to avoid going back to this. I said give me proof that is still popular RIGHT NOW not popular overall/in past years. What, you thought I wasn't aware of how popular Jigglypuff used to be? That's actually quite funny.

Refer to numbers 2,6,7, and the end of 5.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Refer to numbers 2,6,7, and the end of 5.

....I'm still waiting. Jigglypuff's popularity tanked in Japan ever since the year of Brawl's release, also, I'm sure we all know CleFAIRY is going to be a fairy type. And I'll also add that it was put at pretty much the bottom of the priority list last game, and since we know there will be cuts, what characters do you think have the chance of getting the axe first?

Now can we just leave that behind, we're talking about retro/classic characters, not Pokemon.

 

[3Bismyname]

So you want to turn him into a chain-spamming scrub-friendly character who fights from a distance with a long weapon? Gee, that sounds absolutely fantastic.

well looking at characters like Capt Falcon who previous to being in Smash was virtually defined by his car, i dont see a need to give him his bike for anything outside of specials. plus unlike Capt he has a little more to work with from his game of origin.

 

[mimgrim]

Actually a character with a medium range chain as their main way of attacking sounds like a great idea... As Smash is missing a character like that. o.o

 

[Deleted member]

So you want to turn him into a chain-spamming scrub-friendly character who fights from a distance with a long weapon? Gee, that sounds absolutely fantastic.

You missed the point.

Ghost Rider was initially declined for Marvel vs. Capcom 3 because they "couldn't implement the bike", as if he needed to be riding the thing 24/7.
Then Ultimate comes along, and the first thing G.R. does? Gets off the bike.
So the same would be for Mach Rider.

If my point was having a "chain-spamming scrub-friendly character who fights from a distance with a long weapon", I'd be discussing about Simon Belmont. Or Sylveon.


Though Mach swinging a chain for a few moves would be frigging badass.

 

[Silverjay323]

....I'm still waiting. Jigglypuff's popularity tanked in Japan ever since the year of Brawl's release, also, I'm sure we all know CleFAIRY is going to be a fairy type. And I'll also add that it was put at pretty much the bottom of the priority list last game, and since we know there will be cuts, what characters do you think have the chance of getting the axe first?

Now can we just leave that behind, we're talking about retro/classic characters, not Pokemon.

Even so, you fail to realize that it was still above Mewtwo/Roy and its advertisement in Japan. My bad on Clefairy, but it still doesn't change the fact that it's represented in 6th gen. Just because a character isn't as popular as it originally was doesn't mean they should be cut from Smash. EarthBound/Mother has representation and hasn't had a game in 7 years. The way you talk about Jigglypuff and its "tanking" popularity, it might as well be a "retro" character to you eh?

Actually a character with a medium range chain as their main way of attacking sounds like a great idea... As Smash is missing a character like that. o.o

Simon Belmont?

 

[Deleted member]

On a completely unrelated note, I found another benefit of having Black Shadow from F-Zero.

The possibility of having a white color, so I can do this:

 

[Hotfeet444]

You missed the point.

Ghost Rider was initially declined for Marvel vs. Capcom 3 because they "couldn't implement the bike", as if he needed to be riding the thing 24/7.
Then Ultimate comes along, and the first thing G.R. does? Gets off the bike.

So the same would be for Mach Rider.

If my point was having a "chain-spamming scrub-friendly character who fights from a distance with a long weapon", I'd be discussing about Simon Belmont. Or Sylveon.


Though Mach swinging a chain for a few moves would be frigging badass.

It was a joke, I never disagreed with Mach Rider's inclusion and I probably never will. I support Mach Rider, it's just an MVC3 joke because people thinking spamming standing H makes you a good player.

As for that Sylveon statement...I don't recall its bows reaching two thirds of the screen and then locking you into a an air combo attack before OTG hitting you and crushing you in a 350,000 damage hyper combo before going back to spamming the same bows and doing the same thing once again.

Even so, you fail to realize that it was still above Mewtwo/Roy and its advertisement in Japan. My bad on Clefairy, but it still doesn't change the fact that it's represented in 6th gen. Just because a character isn't as popular as it originally was doesn't mean they should be cut from Smash. EarthBound/Mother has representation and hasn't had a game in 7 years. The way you talk about Jigglypuff and its "tanking" popularity, it might as well be a "retro" character to you eh?

Still, that's over five years ago, alot can change in five year's time. And by the way, there's not even any confirmation of catching a Jigglypuff in Gen 6, so don't jump to conclusions. And you can't really compare Earthbound/Mother to Pokemon, one is always changing as one is almost the same all the way throughout. And also...for that last remark, do yourself a favor, and do not talk to me like I'm an idiot.

Now then, I said move on...so move on.

 

[jaytalks]

Going back to retro characters, I'd like to know what exactly everyone considers the definition of a retro character to be? Seems like we have a lot of different definitions as a group.

Mine is "a character who hasn't appeared in a video game, with the exception of crossovers like Smash Bros., since the NES or original Gameboy, excluding ports/remakes".

So Little Mac or Takamaru wouldn't be considered retro characters to me, whereas Mach Rider and Prince Sable would be.

I think there are two kinds of retro. One that is clearly defined by time periods and the other that is a creation of fans of retro games>

The time periods one defines retro as anyone who hasn't appeared in a game within their own series since either the NES, SNES, and GB iteration of their game (not including remakes). Despite the fact we have moved to another era since Brawl, consoles like the N64 cannot fit under this concept of retro because 3D consoles represent the beginning of modern gaming.

The other concept comes from the idolazation NES/SNES style gameplay and culture. It's associated with hard games, difficult bosses, and arcade style gameplay. This one is fan based, so it can change. But under this definition, characters who are notable as for their retro appearances can become "retro" because the way that this fanbase views them, and this extends to the larger gaming community. So Little Mac and Mega Man fit under this definition of retro.

Sakurai's adds will come under the former type of retro. The tricky thing about deciding retro characters is that they don't need to be popular or even at all that requested. They are retro because either Nintendo decided to make only one or few games in their franchise, or they were not popular enough to sustain a long running series. So the fact they are retro means that they are probably not well known or popular. This more than any other of Sakurai's characters decisions will be based not on popularity.

 

[Deleted member]

As for that Sylveon statement...I don't recall its bows reaching two thirds of the screen and then locking you into a an air combo attack before OTG hitting you and crushing you in a 350,000 damage hyper combo before going back to spamming the same bows and doing the same thing once again.

Dat's only cause you ain't seen it happen yet.

Dem ribbons be long, dawg.