Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[TheLastJinjo]

Oh, yeah I just realized. Impa's chances are next to zero considering Sakurai was going to implement a Toon version of Sheik WITH another Zelda before just Impa.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Replace Robin with Roy or Lyn and Tetra for Vaati and you got a decent roster

Robin has to be this Smash's Ridley in term of wants. I really don't understand the reason for Robin suddenly being on everyone's roster.

Simple answer, uniqueness.

 

[Will]

I highly doubt that, seeing as Sakurai has reasons for making both Links alike, but none for Zelda. And even if they did glue Toon Zelda to Tetra, I highly doubt they'd be like Zelda and Sheik. First, Tetra's a Pirate, not a ninja, to make a Pirate play like a Ninja is dumb (And blasphemy as Pirates and Ninjas are arch-enemies. ). Second, unlike actual Zelda, Toon Zelda has a stapled profession in the use of bows and arrows. Her main weapon can be her Bow, the different types of musical magic from Spirit Tracks, and more. And again, for newcomers, uniqueness is king, and Tetra (Who IS the more dominant Toon Zelda figure as it is Zelda) can be VERY unique:

You say you've watched my videos, so you know how unique Tetra can be made to be.

I have watched your videos before. Then ridiculed you and flamewars went on.

 

[Morbi]

Simple answer, uniqueness.

No, the simple answer is "perceived" uniqueness.

 

[Gunla]

It's been 6 years since Brawl.
Things will change in Sakurai's opinion.

No, the simple answer is "perceived" uniqueness.

Or, possible uniqueness. It's up to Sakurai!

 

[josh bones]

Actualy i dont know about tingle... the leak states a link character but they have kept him a secret. Giraham and tingle where said to be the most likey

>A link character.
>Giraham

 

[Sonicguy726]

But she has a minor role in two of those games, and that's only three out of every game in the series.

and it's also the 3 most recent games

 

[Deleted member]

Here are some things about the Phantom that could pertain to being part Zelda's moveset:

First off, the detailed design.
I know Toon Link was more detailed in Brawl compared to his games, but the detail was toned down for SSB4.

Here it's like they tried to make the Phantom more detailed in order to fit the Twlight Princess style and match up with TP Zelda more...

Second, the note the color of the Phantom. The only Phantom in the series with that desaturated pink/brown coloration is the Phantom that Zelda controls in Spirit Tracks, and it has the same shield design.

There's a pink Phantom in PT, but it's a more saturated pink, and it has a different shield design.

What does this mean? Well, if the Phantom is an Assist Trophy, then it could be Toon Zelda in the Phantom armor, but that's be a bit unusual.

If it's meant to be a generic Phantom, then wouldn't it make more sense for it to have a different coloration and shield design?

Oh please, it's not THAT long.

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I agree, it's not a generic Phantom, that's for sure.

It COULD be Toon Zelda in there, as an AT, but why would Sakurai reveal such an important AT in such a manner?

Most evidence point to the Armor being part of Zelda's moveset. Also, agree on the design, in fact, if you notice, the legs have gotten longer and more human-like. Less cartoony to coincide with the more realistic TP Zelda.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Oh, yeah I just realized. Impa's chances are next to zero considering Sakurai was going to implement a Toon version of Sheik WITH another Zelda before just Impa.

To be fair, the only reason people think she has a chance is Skyward Sword. But OoT is much more prevalent in the 3DS version as it is.

I mean if she didn't play a big role in Skyward Sword, then I don't think many people would be freaking out about her.

 

[Morbi]

It's been 6 years since Brawl.
Things will change in Sakurai's opinion.

Or, possible uniqueness. It's up to Sakurai!

Precisely, hence the reason I think Tingle is the most likely newcomer, I can't blatantly deny precedent where it is present though. That would be fallacious.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

I think Takamaru doesn't get enough credit as a newcomer. Sakurai said that he wants to add older characters, and before Melee came out he outright said that he would add Takamaru in Smash Bros. if he were to get a new game. Now while he didn't get a new game his game was rereleased on the GBA and the game Sakura Samurai can be seen as a spiritual successor. On top of this he made several appearances afterwards including a special mode in Samurai Warriors 3 where you play as him in a remake of sorts of his first game. He played a major role in Captain Rainbow and had his own Nintendo Land game, which I think is a big deal. While he never really had a new game I think Sakurai will make an exception due to how many major appearances he has had since then.

 

[Kenith]

I seriously see Ghirahim and Midna being added over the recurring characters. They all have they're own **** holding them back. Which makes a better argument over "one-time character".

Until Sakurai says, "I didn't even consider Demise/Ghirahim/Midna/Zant/Yuga because they only appeared in one game" I will not accept the one-off argument.

 

[Sonicguy726]

Replace Robin with Roy or Lyn and Tetra for Vaati and you got a decent roster

Robin has to be this Smash's Ridley in term of wants. I really don't understand the reason for Robin suddenly being on everyone's roster.

well he'd be really unique and I had an Idea, what if he could switch between a sword and magic ala zelda/sheik being more powerful with the sword but having more range and a better recovery with he magic

 

[Gunla]

I think Takamaru doesn't get enough credit as a newcomer. Sakurai said that he wants to add older characters, and before Melee came out he outright said that he would add Takamaru in Smash Bros. if he were to get a new game. Now while he didn't get a new game his game was rereleased on the GBA and the game Sakura Samurai can be seen as a spiritual successor. On top of this he made several appearances afterwards including a special mode in Samurai Warriors 3 where you play as him in a remake of sorts of his first game. He played a major role in Captain Rainbow and had his own Nintendo Land game, which I think is a big deal. While he never really had a new game I think Sakurai will make an exception due to how many major appearances he has had since then.

....Why didn't they use Takamaru for Sakura Samurai? (Would've made some sense.)

 

[Hotfeet444]

I have watched your videos before. Then ridiculed you and flamewars went on.

Ridiculed me? For what? There hasn't been any on my videos aside from the idiots who scream "Ridley is Too Big". And you seem too intelligent to be one of said people.

 

[Deleted member]

Oh, yeah I just realized. Impa's chances are next to zero considering Sakurai was going to implement a Toon version of Sheik WITH another Zelda before just Impa.

>THIS IS A FACT, AND I AM RIGHT, I GOT THIS INFO FROM SAKURAI HIMSELF!!

goddammit Noah...

 

[Will]

New Topic : Creative Characters. Basically Wario,you got somebody who you think will use brute force,but you then get farts. ****ing farts.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Hasn't Zelda's pose in that Phantom pic already been proven to be Zelda's pose from Brawl when she activates an Assist Trophy? Or at least shown to be similar enough to be the most likely case?

The comparison was made in at least one of the threads in the Zelda sub-forum I believe, I might check there soon.

 

[Deleted member]

Ridiculed me? For what? There hasn't been any on my videos aside from the idiots who scream "Ridley is Too Big". And you seem too intelligent to be one of said people.

Wait a sec....

videos??
Ridley too big??

You wouldn't happen to be Shokio would you?

 

[Will]

Ridiculed me? For what? There hasn't been any on my videos aside from the idiots who scream "Ridley is Too Big". And you seem too intelligent to be one of said people.

The hint is in my name,I always use this na-just forget it,I'm just going to ignore this ever existed

 

[Hotfeet444]

Wait a sec....

videos??
Ridley too big??

You wouldn't happen to be Shokio would you?

If I ever wake up to find myself sharing the same thoughts/beliefs as Shokio, I gladly invite both you and everyone else to pick up the nearest blunt object and beat in my skull with it.

The hint is in my name,I always use this na-just forget it,I'm just going to ignore this ever existed

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I don't pay attention to usernames when on Youtube.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I'm surprised no one is using the one-time Sheik to benefit arguements against one-times like Ghirahim or Midna.

I think Takamaru doesn't get enough credit as a newcomer. Sakurai said that he wants to add older characters, and before Melee came out he outright said that he would add Takamaru in Smash Bros. if he were to get a new game. Now while he didn't get a new game his game was rereleased on the GBA and the game Sakura Samurai can be seen as a spiritual successor. On top of this he made several appearances afterwards including a special mode in Samurai Warriors 3 where you play as him in a remake of sorts of his first game. He played a major role in Captain Rainbow and had his own Nintendo Land game, which I think is a big deal. While he never really had a new game I think Sakurai will make an exception due to how many major appearances he has had since then.

He does get credit, it's just people will simply put him as the retro on the roster and leave it at that. Which for me personally is not the best way to be a good speculator.
He could pick DHD instead of Takamaru, there's many possibilities.

 

[Morbi]

To be fair, the only reason people think she has a chance is Skyward Sword. But OoT is much more prevalent in the 3DS version as it is.

I mean if she didn't play a big role in Skyward Sword, then I don't think many people would be freaking out about her.

This is the truth, in fact, this is the predominant reason that I support Impa myself. Since she has an important role in Skyward Sword, I now feel as though she is the more ideal choice from a Legend of Zelda perspective.

However, as stated above (not in this post), Sheik is the most adequate choice for Smash. There isn't necessarily a reason that she should be replaced. If they separate the two characters, I believe a replacement is in order. If they keep her transformation, which seems apparent, no replacement required in my opinion.

 

[Deleted member]

Hasn't Zelda's pose in that Phantom pic already been proven to be Zelda's pose from Brawl when she activates an Assist Trophy? Or at least shown to be similar enough to be the most likely case?

The comparison was made in at least one of the threads in the Zelda sub-forum I believe, I might check there soon.

It wasn't proven, there were many distinguishable differences between the two, and also, the Knight is attacking already, so either:

a)there's a huge delay now after summoning ATs and characters hold that pose forever.

b)the Knight attacks incredibly hast, like, way faster than any other AT ever.

 

[Arcanir]

Hasn't Zelda's pose in that Phantom pic already been proven to be Zelda's pose from Brawl when she activates an Assist Trophy? Or at least shown to be similar enough to be the most likely case?

The comparison was made in at least one of the threads in the Zelda sub-forum I believe, I might check there soon.

It's confirmed to be similarities yes, but I think there were counterpoints brought up that still made it debatable. It's been a while since I've seen it as well though so I may also be off on that.

 

[andimidna]

GENIUS!!! (Totally not sarcasm)


No I think impa has been more important to the series as a whole and tingle had his own games so no

Importance means a lot less this time around. To get an idea on future newcomers, look at the ones already announced.

 

[Gunla]

Wait a sec....

videos??
Ridley too big??

You wouldn't happen to be Shokio would you?

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CONSPIRACY! BUT TO WHOM?

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Until Sakurai says, "I didn't even consider Demise/Ghirahim/Midna/Zant/Yuga because they only appeared in one game" I will not accept the one-off argument.

Well I've mentioned this before...

But consider the fact that Zant may or may not appear again. Let's say Sakurai knows he isn't. Then why add a character who would fade into Smash obscurity after the title he appears in? Same with Midna, same with Ghirahim. They aren't characters that would last in Smash Bros. as far as longevity in the series.

I mean by common sense, it should be assumed that Sakurai looks at characters to see if they would be good as an addition, because why waste the time on a character that would be replaced in the next game.

THAT is why one off characters hardly have big chances. I love Ghirahim, but I don't see him getting in.

 

[Deleted member]

If I ever wake up to find myself sharing the same thoughts/beliefs as Shokio, I gladly invite both you and everyone else to pick up the nearest blunt object and beat in my skull with it.



I don't pay attention to usernames when on Youtube.

OK, cool, cause I hate that guy.

 

[Will]

Wait a sec....

videos??
Ridley too big??

You wouldn't happen to be Shokio would you?

No... Who the **** is Shokio?

 

[Gunla]

No... Who the **** is Shokio?

...Oh my god.

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You want to know and them you shake your head endlessly.
He popularized the term "Ridley is too damn big."

 

[Sonicguy726]

Oh, yeah I just realized. Impa's chances are next to zero considering Sakurai was going to implement a Toon version of Sheik WITH another Zelda before just Impa.

Well impa wasn't as established as she is now and they didn't have a design to use, at least sheik had concept art for TP i guess what I'm trying to say is that they didn't have a good replacement

 

[Deleted member]

No... Who the **** is Shokio?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=shokio

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

...Oh my god.
You want to know and them you shake your head endlessly.
He made the term "Ridley is too big."

Not really. The "Ridley is too big" argument was around before he made his video.

It's more like he made the term: "Ridley is as big as $hit".

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[OcarinaOfDoom]

wait wait wait @CrusherMania1592 , do I see Chrom in your newcomer wishlist? I don't ever recall you supporting him.

 

[Gunla]

Not really. The "Ridley is too big" argument was around before he made his video.

It's more like he made the term: "Ridley is as big as $****".

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He certainly popularized it to the point of madness.

 

[Will]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=shokio

Kill it with fire. Kill the fanbase.

Murder everybody close to him.

 

[Hotfeet444]

No... Who the **** is Shokio?

A terrible youtube speculator who is partially responsible for the huge "Ridley is too big" thing going on through the minds of the naive and weak on youtube, and just an overall guy you just wanna sock in the face.

OK, cool, cause I hate that guy.

You and me both pal.

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CONSPIRACY!

The last time I checked, I've never actually used "Y'know what I'm sayin" in actual conversation before, let alone every thirty seconds.

 

[Kenith]

Then do it.

Or just take a poll.

I'm not taking a poll here. That would be defeating the purpose. And as I could not possibly get sufficient attention anywhere else, I am at the mercy of other people's polls.

Let's try Shortie's newest one. In this poll, she's in 61st place, behind Skull Kid, Ghirahim, Midna, Tetra, Vaati, Toon Zelda, and Wolf Link, but above Toon Ganondorf and Tingle.

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Mewtwo 1417 32
· King K. Rool 1091
· Ridley 1087
· Little Mac (Punch Out) 940
· Roy 910
· Krystal 869
· Palutena 842
· Bowser Junior 831
· Chrom 770
· Isaac (Golden Sun) 741
· Dixie Kong 707
· Waluigi 675
· Paper Mario 649
· Shulk (Xenoblade) 616
· Banjo & Kazooie 606
· Pac-Man 593
· Majora (Skull Kid) 564
· Ghirahim 556
· 2nd Sonic Character (Tails, Shadow, Knuckles) 524
· Bomberman 525
· Samurai Goroh 521
· Black Shadow 513
· Toad 483
· Lyn 466
· Mii (Wii Series) 450
· 6th Gen Pokemon 436
· Rayman 438
· Kingdom Hearts (Sora) 420
· Super Mario RPG (Geno, Mallow) 420
· Lucina 418
· Dark Samus 409
· Zoroark 407
· Castlevania (Simon Belmont, Alucard, Dracula) 393
· Rosalina 378
· Takamaru (The Mysterious Musasame Castle) 367
· Kamek 358
· Pokemon Trainer (Johto) 356
· Pokemon Trainer (Hoenn) 354
· Bayonetta 352
· King Boo 347
· Claus (Masked Man) 343
· Midna 342
· Ace Attorney (Phoenix Write) 340
· Vaati 338
· Tetra 336
· Eevee (and Eeveelutions) 335
· Saki (Sin & Punishment) 332
· Toon Zelda 329
· Medusa 326
· Doctor Mario 322
· Final Fantasy (Chocobo Black Mage Moogle Cloud Lightning) 322
· Tom Nook (Animal Crossing 317
· Wolf Link 313
· Balloon Fighter 313
· Professor Layton 309
· Shy Guy 308
· Dillon (Rolling Western) 302
· Crono Trigger (Crono) 299
· Ashley 298
· Tales Series (Cless/Cress, Lloyd) 293
· Viewtiful Joe 293
· Baby Mario & Luigi 288
· Dark Pit 287
· Magnus 286
· Pokemon Trainer (Kalos) 282
· Young Link 278
· Meowth 267
· Scribblenauts (Maxwell) 267
· Ray MK (Custom Robo) 264
· Bandana Dee 259
· Deoxys 254
· Anna 254
· Knuckle Joe 248
· Daisy 247
· Porky 243
· Hades 243
· Black Knight 242
· No More Hereos (Travis Touchdown) 239
· Slippy 237
· Pokemon Trainer (Sinnoh) 234
· Conker's Bad Fur Day (Conker) 233
· Pokemon Trainer Villain (Rocket Plasma Galactic Aqua Magma) 231
· Captain Syrup 230
· Funky Kong 229
· Pokemon Trainer N 229
· Kat & Ana 227
· Mona 221
· Starfy (The Legendary Starfy) 220
· Micaiah 219
· Fawful 218
· Andy (Advanced Wars) 218
· Prince Fluff 217
· Impa 216
· Street Fighter (Ryu, Chun Li, M. Bison) 214
· Robin (FE:A Avatar)208
· Pichu 203
· Classic Link 197
· 2nd Metal Gear Character (Raiden, Gray Fox) 195
· Sylux 191
· Toon Ganondorf 188
· Plusle & Minun 188
· Tingle 187

 

[Tepig2000]

Besides debating over characters,isn't there one character we can all agree on? Seriously? I mean,everybody but Saturn does not want Tabuu,and everybody but Saturn wants Muddy Mole.

There is one character we all agree on:

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