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KingofPhantoms

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No... Who the **** is Shokio?
Some guy on Youtube who uses the worst possible arguments to claim Ridley is too big.

I've heard some of his videos are decent, but his Ridley arguments are, again donwright dumb. He also apparently has something against King Dedede for some reason IIRC.


Back to the whole Phantom Assist/Attack thing: I have a hunch it's an Assist trophy, but I admit there isn't really anything conclusive yet. Guess we'll just have to wait for time to tell us to be certain of what the Phantom is.
 

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The last time I checked, I've never actually used "Y'know what I'm sayin" in actual conversation before, let alone every thirty seconds. :p
Was not referring to you, was referring to the thought of another person who might have believed in the madness that is Shokio.
 

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I'm not taking a poll here. That would be defeating the purpose. And as I could not possibly get sufficient attention anywhere else, I am at the mercy of other people's polls.

Let's try Shortie's newest one. In this poll, she's in 61st place, behind Skull Kid, Ghirahim, Midna, Tetra, Vaati, Toon Zelda, and Wolf Link, but above Toon Ganondorf and Tingle.


Mewtwo 1417 32
· King K. Rool 1091
· Ridley 1087
· Little Mac (Punch Out) 940
· Roy 910
· Krystal 869
· Palutena 842
· Bowser Junior 831
· Chrom 770
· Isaac (Golden Sun) 741
· Dixie Kong 707
· Waluigi 675
· Paper Mario 649
· Shulk (Xenoblade) 616
· Banjo & Kazooie 606
· Pac-Man 593
· Majora (Skull Kid) 564
· Ghirahim 556
· 2nd Sonic Character (Tails, Shadow, Knuckles) 524
· Bomberman 525
· Samurai Goroh 521
· Black Shadow 513
· Toad 483
· Lyn 466
· Mii (Wii Series) 450
· 6th Gen Pokemon 436
· Rayman 438
· Kingdom Hearts (Sora) 420
· Super Mario RPG (Geno, Mallow) 420
· Lucina 418
· Dark Samus 409
· Zoroark 407
· Castlevania (Simon Belmont, Alucard, Dracula) 393
· Rosalina 378
· Takamaru (The Mysterious Musasame Castle) 367
· Kamek 358
· Pokemon Trainer (Johto) 356
· Pokemon Trainer (Hoenn) 354
· Bayonetta 352
· King Boo 347
· Claus (Masked Man) 343
· Midna 342
· Ace Attorney (Phoenix Write) 340
· Vaati 338
· Tetra 336
· Eevee (and Eeveelutions) 335
· Saki (Sin & Punishment) 332
· Toon Zelda 329
· Medusa 326
· Doctor Mario 322
· Final Fantasy (Chocobo Black Mage Moogle Cloud Lightning) 322
· Tom Nook (Animal Crossing 317
· Wolf Link 313
· Balloon Fighter 313
· Professor Layton 309
· Shy Guy 308
· Dillon (Rolling Western) 302
· Crono Trigger (Crono) 299
· Ashley 298
· Tales Series (Cless/Cress, Lloyd) 293
· Viewtiful Joe 293
· Baby Mario & Luigi 288
· Dark Pit 287
· Magnus 286
· Pokemon Trainer (Kalos) 282
· Young Link 278
· Meowth 267
· Scribblenauts (Maxwell) 267
· Ray MK (Custom Robo) 264
· Bandana Dee 259
· Deoxys 254
· Anna 254
· Knuckle Joe 248
· Daisy 247
· Porky 243
· Hades 243
· Black Knight 242
· No More Hereos (Travis Touchdown) 239
· Slippy 237
· Pokemon Trainer (Sinnoh) 234
· Conker's Bad Fur Day (Conker) 233
· Pokemon Trainer Villain (Rocket Plasma Galactic Aqua Magma) 231
· Captain Syrup 230
· Funky Kong 229
· Pokemon Trainer N 229
· Kat & Ana 227
· Mona 221
· Starfy (The Legendary Starfy) 220
· Micaiah 219
· Fawful 218
· Andy (Advanced Wars) 218
· Prince Fluff 217
· Impa 216
· Street Fighter (Ryu, Chun Li, M. Bison) 214
· Robin (FE:A Avatar)208
· Pichu 203
· Classic Link 197
· 2nd Metal Gear Character (Raiden, Gray Fox) 195
· Sylux 191
· Toon Ganondorf 188
· Plusle & Minun 188
· Tingle 187
Plusle and Minun above Tingle? I call BS.
 

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I'm not taking a poll here. That would be defeating the purpose. And as I could not possibly get sufficient attention anywhere else, I am at the mercy of other people's polls.

Let's try Shortie's newest one. In this poll, she's in 61st place, behind Skull Kid, Ghirahim, Midna, Tetra, Vaati, Toon Zelda, and Wolf Link, but above Toon Ganondorf and Tingle.


Mewtwo 1417 32
· King K. Rool 1091
· Ridley 1087
· Little Mac (Punch Out) 940
· Roy 910
· Krystal 869
· Palutena 842
· Bowser Junior 831
· Chrom 770
· Isaac (Golden Sun) 741
· Dixie Kong 707
· Waluigi 675
· Paper Mario 649
· Shulk (Xenoblade) 616
· Banjo & Kazooie 606
· Pac-Man 593
· Majora (Skull Kid) 564
· Ghirahim 556
· 2nd Sonic Character (Tails, Shadow, Knuckles) 524
· Bomberman 525
· Samurai Goroh 521
· Black Shadow 513
· Toad 483
· Lyn 466
· Mii (Wii Series) 450
· 6th Gen Pokemon 436
· Rayman 438
· Kingdom Hearts (Sora) 420
· Super Mario RPG (Geno, Mallow) 420
· Lucina 418
· Dark Samus 409
· Zoroark 407
· Castlevania (Simon Belmont, Alucard, Dracula) 393
· Rosalina 378
· Takamaru (The Mysterious Musasame Castle) 367
· Kamek 358
· Pokemon Trainer (Johto) 356
· Pokemon Trainer (Hoenn) 354
· Bayonetta 352
· King Boo 347
· Claus (Masked Man) 343
· Midna 342
· Ace Attorney (Phoenix Write) 340
· Vaati 338
· Tetra 336
· Eevee (and Eeveelutions) 335
· Saki (Sin & Punishment) 332
· Toon Zelda 329
· Medusa 326
· Doctor Mario 322
· Final Fantasy (Chocobo Black Mage Moogle Cloud Lightning) 322
· Tom Nook (Animal Crossing 317
· Wolf Link 313
· Balloon Fighter 313
· Professor Layton 309
· Shy Guy 308
· Dillon (Rolling Western) 302
· Crono Trigger (Crono) 299
· Ashley 298
· Tales Series (Cless/Cress, Lloyd) 293
· Viewtiful Joe 293
· Baby Mario & Luigi 288
· Dark Pit 287
· Magnus 286
· Pokemon Trainer (Kalos) 282
· Young Link 278
· Meowth 267
· Scribblenauts (Maxwell) 267
· Ray MK (Custom Robo) 264
· Bandana Dee 259
· Deoxys 254
· Anna 254
· Knuckle Joe 248
· Daisy 247
· Porky 243
· Hades 243
· Black Knight 242
· No More Hereos (Travis Touchdown) 239
· Slippy 237
· Pokemon Trainer (Sinnoh) 234
· Conker's Bad Fur Day (Conker) 233
· Pokemon Trainer Villain (Rocket Plasma Galactic Aqua Magma) 231
· Captain Syrup 230
· Funky Kong 229
· Pokemon Trainer N 229
· Kat & Ana 227
· Mona 221
· Starfy (The Legendary Starfy) 220
· Micaiah 219
· Fawful 218
· Andy (Advanced Wars) 218
· Prince Fluff 217
· Impa 216
· Street Fighter (Ryu, Chun Li, M. Bison) 214
· Robin (FE:A Avatar)208
· Pichu 203
· Classic Link 197
· 2nd Metal Gear Character (Raiden, Gray Fox) 195
· Sylux 191
· Toon Ganondorf 188
· Plusle & Minun 188
· Tingle 187
How many of those actually have a chance, skull kid deconfirmed, Ghirahim and midna not gonna happen one time characters that will fade into obscurity, Wolf link why would that ever happen unless it's a transformation for link but he still has his bombs, vaati passed his time, the only likely one on there is toon zelda/tetra
 
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I'm not taking a poll here. That would be defeating the purpose. And as I could not possibly get sufficient attention anywhere else, I am at the mercy of other people's polls.

Let's try Shortie's newest one. In this poll, she's in 61st place, behind Skull Kid, Ghirahim, Midna, Tetra, Vaati, Toon Zelda, and Wolf Link, but above Toon Ganondorf and Tingle.


Mewtwo 1417 32
· King K. Rool 1091
· Ridley 1087
· Little Mac (Punch Out) 940
· Roy 910
· Krystal 869
· Palutena 842
· Bowser Junior 831
· Chrom 770
· Isaac (Golden Sun) 741
· Dixie Kong 707
· Waluigi 675
· Paper Mario 649
· Shulk (Xenoblade) 616
· Banjo & Kazooie 606
· Pac-Man 593
· Majora (Skull Kid) 564
· Ghirahim 556
· 2nd Sonic Character (Tails, Shadow, Knuckles) 524
· Bomberman 525
· Samurai Goroh 521
· Black Shadow 513
· Toad 483
· Lyn 466
· Mii (Wii Series) 450
· 6th Gen Pokemon 436
· Rayman 438
· Kingdom Hearts (Sora) 420
· Super Mario RPG (Geno, Mallow) 420
· Lucina 418
· Dark Samus 409
· Zoroark 407
· Castlevania (Simon Belmont, Alucard, Dracula) 393
· Rosalina 378
· Takamaru (The Mysterious Musasame Castle) 367
· Kamek 358
· Pokemon Trainer (Johto) 356
· Pokemon Trainer (Hoenn) 354
· Bayonetta 352
· King Boo 347
· Claus (Masked Man) 343
· Midna 342
· Ace Attorney (Phoenix Write) 340
· Vaati 338
· Tetra 336
· Eevee (and Eeveelutions) 335
· Saki (Sin & Punishment) 332
· Toon Zelda 329
· Medusa 326
· Doctor Mario 322
· Final Fantasy (Chocobo Black Mage Moogle Cloud Lightning) 322
· Tom Nook (Animal Crossing 317
· Wolf Link 313
· Balloon Fighter 313
· Professor Layton 309
· Shy Guy 308
· Dillon (Rolling Western) 302
· Crono Trigger (Crono) 299
· Ashley 298
· Tales Series (Cless/Cress, Lloyd) 293
· Viewtiful Joe 293
· Baby Mario & Luigi 288
· Dark Pit 287
· Magnus 286
· Pokemon Trainer (Kalos) 282
· Young Link 278
· Meowth 267
· Scribblenauts (Maxwell) 267
· Ray MK (Custom Robo) 264
· Bandana Dee 259
· Deoxys 254
· Anna 254
· Knuckle Joe 248
· Daisy 247
· Porky 243
· Hades 243
· Black Knight 242
· No More Hereos (Travis Touchdown) 239
· Slippy 237
· Pokemon Trainer (Sinnoh) 234
· Conker's Bad Fur Day (Conker) 233
· Pokemon Trainer Villain (Rocket Plasma Galactic Aqua Magma) 231
· Captain Syrup 230
· Funky Kong 229
· Pokemon Trainer N 229
· Kat & Ana 227
· Mona 221
· Starfy (The Legendary Starfy) 220
· Micaiah 219
· Fawful 218
· Andy (Advanced Wars) 218
· Prince Fluff 217
· Impa 216
· Street Fighter (Ryu, Chun Li, M. Bison) 214
· Robin (FE:A Avatar)208
· Pichu 203
· Classic Link 197
· 2nd Metal Gear Character (Raiden, Gray Fox) 195
· Sylux 191
· Toon Ganondorf 188
· Plusle & Minun 188
· Tingle 187

Yeah, behind a bunch of characters that have NO chance. And 216 votes is still quite a lot of recognition for someone who "isn't known outside of here."

She's also above Tingle who even has his own series of games.

Checkmate. Thanks for proving yourself wrong for me.
 

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There have been plenty of characters that haven't seen the spotlight for a while but have made it into Smash or are very requested for it.(and no, I'm not talking about retros)


Last I remember, I counterargued your counterargument.
You said a lot that wasn't true. I already made another post, you didn't reply to it.
 

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Yeah, behind a bunch of characters that have NO chance. And 216 votes is still quite a lot of recognition for someone who "isn't known outside of here."

She's also above Tingle who even has his own series of games.

Checkmate. Thanks for proving yourself wrong for me.
She's also below a lot of characters that have a chance.

And no character has "no chance". That's just pessimistic.

How many of those actually have a chance, skull kid deconfirmed, Ghirahim and midna not gonna happen one time characters that will fade into obscurity
Midna's still popular.
 

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On the subject of Newcomers, regardless of his abysmal poll standing on that poll, since Japan is the one who calls the shots, the most likely Zelda newcomer probably is Tingle.

Midna's still popular.
I personally wish she could still happen, she's my favorite Zelda character and can be hella unique.
 
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She's also below a lot of characters that have a chance.

And no character has "no chance". That's just pessimistic.



Midna's still popular.
You were arguing that Impa wasn't known by anyone outside of here and then proceeded to prove yourself wrong, stay on track with me here buddy.

And yeah, there are characters that have "no chance," if you want Goku, then go back to MiiVerse and go play some JUS.
 

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Yeah, behind a bunch of characters that have NO chance. And 216 votes is still quite a lot of recognition for someone who "isn't known outside of here."

She's also above Tingle who even has his own series of games.

Checkmate. Thanks for proving yourself wrong for me.
Vaati girahim and tetra have no chance?
yeah, no.
 

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She's also below a lot of characters that have a chance.

And no character has "no chance". That's just pessimistic.



Midna's still popular.
still only been in one game and then what happens in the next smash when they don't matter and theres been many other one time characters, replace them why go o the effort then
 

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Yeah, behind a bunch of characters that have NO chance. And 216 votes is still quite a lot of recognition for someone who "isn't known outside of here."

She's also above Tingle who even has his own series of games.

Checkmate. Thanks for proving yourself wrong for me.
Vaati girahim and tetra have no chance?
yeah, no.
 

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I have to get something off of my chest. Waiting for veterans to be announced is extremely frustrating. Honestly, there were almost forty characters in Brawl, give us at least two veterans a month. Pad out the in-between weeks with some nice stages and we would be satisfied. Its annoying to get our hopes up everyday just to see a picture of Donkey Kong cradling Pikachu or Mario's eyebrows
 

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Simple answer, uniqueness.
I don't buy it. Need a reason that's not any of the following:

- Uniqueness
- Recurring class
- Mii kind of character (Villager, WFT, etc)
- Gender
- Sword and magic
- Non-Lord

wait wait wait @ CrusherMania1592 CrusherMania1592 , do I see Chrom in your newcomer wishlist? I don't ever recall you supporting him.
Yes, but this was made around E-3 last year. I'd rather be supporting his daughter instead

I'm surprised no one is using the one-time Sheik to benefit arguements against one-times like Ghirahim or Midna. :awesome:
Please tell me this is a joke post. Sheik is Zelda plain and simple.
 

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I have to get something off of my chest. Waiting for veterans to be announced is extremely frustrating. Honestly, there were almost forty characters in Brawl, give us at least two veterans a month. Pad out the in-between weeks with some nice stages and we would be satisfied. Its annoying to get our hopes up everyday just to see a picture of Donkey Kong cradling Pikachu or Mario's eyebrows
I think they are gonna start doing that i'm expecting a nintendo direct next week with another character
 

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still only been in one game and then what happens in the next smash when they don't matter and theres been many other one time characters, replace them why go o the effort then
Please use punctuation when giving me flak.

Sheik was only in one game. Now she's a mainstay in Smash Bros, because she was popular in Melee. She almost appeared again in Twilight Princess, but wasn't. They used the prototype TP design in Brawl because they didn't want to cut her.

They didn't add her because just because of Zelda. They added her because of uniqueness.
 

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I have to get something off of my chest. Waiting for veterans to be announced is extremely frustrating. Honestly, there were almost forty characters in Brawl, give us at least two veterans a month. Pad out the in-between weeks with some nice stages and we would be satisfied. Its annoying to get our hopes up everyday just to see a picture of Donkey Kong cradling Pikachu or Mario's eyebrows
It´s the game bro.
No pain no gain.
 

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Please use punctuation when giving me flak.

Sheik was only in one game. Now she's a mainstay in Smash Bros, because she was popular in Melee. She almost appeared again in Twilight Princess, but wasn't. They used the prototype TP design in Brawl because they didn't want to cut her.

They didn't add her because just because of Zelda. They added her because of uniqueness.
Sheik is part of zelda though she is part of her character, ghirahim is a one-time character, he isn't even the main villain and is nowhere near as unique as sheik anyway
 

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Please use punctuation when giving me flak.

Sheik was only in one game. Now she's a mainstay in Smash Bros, because she was popular in Melee. She almost appeared again in Twilight Princess, but wasn't. They used the prototype TP design in Brawl because they didn't want to cut her.

They didn't add her because just because of Zelda. They added her because of uniqueness.
Right. They added Sheik because it made Zelda a very unique member to the cast. You're right.

However, several of the potential Zelda newcomers hardly add something that isn't already present in Smash. Impa would obviously have something similar to Sheik, Toon Zelda would be another clone character. Tingle would be unique, as would Vaati, even though I think his chances are overrated.
 

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Sakurai seems to count Ocarina of Time 3D as a new game, so there's more reason to keep Sheik. Also because Sakurai doesn't want to cut characters, so why would he give an old characters moveset to a new character and not keep the old one?
 

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Not to mention Ninjas are just all-round Bad@$$. :p

Also, am I the only one excited to see what Ganondorf will look like? I know it'll be bad@$$ Beardy from Twilight Princess, but still, dat beard. :p
I like a girl with a beard fetish.
 
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Please use punctuation when giving me flak.

Sheik was only in one game. Now she's a mainstay in Smash Bros, because she was popular in Melee. She almost appeared again in Twilight Princess, but wasn't. They used the prototype TP design in Brawl because they didn't want to cut her.

They didn't add her because just because of Zelda. They added her because of uniqueness.
I don't deny that, it's clear Sakurai wants a Ninja character in the game, and really there was no one to really replace Sheik with back when Brawl came out.

But now with SS, and Impa's newfound grouth in popularity, that opportunity not only exists, but also breeds the chance of renewing the concept of the Ninja character in Smash, by adding some new moves, and specializing her by splitting her from her other half.

We probably won't see drastic changes, since Sheik was good, and for those who loved Sheik, it's likely we'll see a Sheik alt/recolor over Impa.

Did you know that Sheik was revealed and probably added to Melee before Zelda? It's probably Zelda was an afterthought, and considering that Sheik was one of the first Melee newcomers, and Sakurai's general train of thought. It's likely that Sheik was added for the sole purpose of having a Ninja character in Smash, same as IC were added for the purpose of having a Duo character.

Now the transform concept was tagged on, and not explored fully, thus needs to go since it doesn't work.

Again, seeing as Zelda seems to have a new move, it's possible and imo, likely, that Sheik has been replaced by Impa already, and Shielda split into just Zelda, and just Impa.
 

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Sheik is part of zelda though she is part of her character, ghirahim is a one-time character, he isn't even the main villain and is nowhere near as unique as sheik anyway
Nowhere near as unique as a ninja? Ninja characters are inherently unique, now? Sheik stands out in her own series, so does Ghirahim.

Sheik was actually made less unique in Smash Bros. because they gave her generic ninja moves she doesn't even have in OoT. (Except for her teleport)
Sheik was not a part of Zelda's character before Ocarina of Time, not in Twilight Princess, not in Wind Waker, or any other game.

Not to mention Ninjas are just all-round Bad@$$. :p
Also, am I the only one excited to see what Ganondorf will look like? I know it'll be bad@$$ Beardy from Twilight Princess, but still, dat beard. :p
Yeah. I hope they give him colour this time, though, like they give his armour a slate colour.
 

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There have been plenty of characters that haven't seen the spotlight for a while but have made it into Smash or are very requested for it.(and no, I'm not talking about retros)


Last I remember, I counterargued your counterargument.
Let me give you something else, even though what I said before was better.


All took priority over Vaati back when he had a good reason to be playable. Now he doesn't. And these are just some of the trophies from Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, and Phantom Hourglass. I didn't put them all. And I didn't put all of the characters on stickers that took priority over him. He had 3 whole games before Brawl. He has 0 now. Don't even expect Vaati to get a sticker or a trophy this time around, he didn't when he mattered. But now, he doesn't matter.
 

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Again, seeing as Zelda seems to have a new move, it's possible and imo, likely, that Sheik has been replaced by Impa already, and Shielda split into just Zelda, and just Impa.
You don't know if Impa replaced her. Sheik could have just been cut,nothing else.
 

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I don't deny that, it's clear Sakurai wants a Ninja character in the game, and really there was no one to really replace Sheik with back when Brawl came out.

But now with SS, and Impa's newfound grouth in popularity, that opportunity not only exists, but also breeds the chance of renewing the concept of the Ninja character in Smash, by adding some new moves, and specializing her by splitting her from her other half.

We probably won't see drastic changes, since Sheik was good, and for those who loved Sheik, it's likely we'll see a Sheik alt/recolor over Impa.

Did you know that Sheik was revealed and probably added to Melee before Zelda? It's probably Zelda was an afterthought, and considering that Sheik was one of the first Melee newcomers, and Sakurai's general train of thought. It's likely that Sheik was added for the sole purpose of having a Ninja character in Smash, same as IC were added for the purpose of having a Duo character.

Now the transform concept was tagged on, and not explored fully, thus needs to go since it doesn't work.

Again, seeing as Zelda seems to have a new move, it's possible and imo, likely, that Sheik has been replaced by Impa already, and Shielda split into just Zelda, and just Impa.
Yes, Yes, All of the yes
 
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You don't know if Impa replaced her. Sheik could have just been cut,nothing else.
It's possible, but unlikely, since again, Sakurai seems to like the ninja character concept.

Cutting outright, just like that, would be like cutting the Ice Climbers, just like that. Clones, I can see getting cut, but the unique concepts, are Sakurai's babies. You won't see those go anywhere.

Those are:

Falcon
the Duo character (IC)
the Ninja character
etc...
 

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I like a girl with a beard fetish.
I'm a guy. :glare:

Yeah. I hope they give him colour this time, though, like they give his armour a slate colour.
He should be given color in his hair and facial hair/features, everything else should remain the same. I mean, Ganondorf overall wasn't that colorful, mostly consisting of black and Dark Brown.
 

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I don't deny that, it's clear Sakurai wants a Ninja character in the game, and really there was no one to really replace Sheik with back when Brawl came out.

But now with SS, and Impa's newfound grouth in popularity, that opportunity not only exists, but also breeds the chance of renewing the concept of the Ninja character in Smash, by adding some new moves, and specializing her by splitting her from her other half.

We probably won't see drastic changes, since Sheik was good, and for those who loved Sheik, it's likely we'll see a Sheik alt/recolor over Impa.

Did you know that Sheik was revealed and probably added to Melee before Zelda? It's probably Zelda was an afterthought, and considering that Sheik was one of the first Melee newcomers, and Sakurai's general train of thought. It's likely that Sheik was added for the sole purpose of having a Ninja character in Smash, same as IC were added for the purpose of having a Duo character.

Now the transform concept was tagged on, and not explored fully, thus needs to go since it doesn't work.

Again, seeing as Zelda seems to have a new move, it's possible and imo, likely, that Sheik has been replaced by Impa already, and Shielda split into just Zelda, and just Impa.
As others have said, getting rid of Sheik doesn't mean Zelda will automatically be good. It needs to be balanced. That is what Namco is there for.

I'm on the other side of the fence with the Impa debate. I don't think she'll be in, and if she is , it won't be because Sakurai cut Sheik. He's already said nobody has been cut yet. If we're going to start cutting characters because they don't work, then PKMN Trainer should be cut too because that didn't work well, and so should Ganondorf for sucking, and Meta Knight for being OP as ****.
 
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