Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Morbi]

Oh, whatever! clone, semi-clone, quarter clone, can you people come up with a single term that refers to "Character that shares many moves with another character"? I'm getting kind of tired of the specific terminology.

Pseudo-Clone is essentially the term you are looking for.

 

[Knight Dude]

There, that is an even BETTER idea. Why isn't this a thing? I just don't understand the point of having it in the game if he isn't going to use it to its fullest extent. Even then (if they actually gave spray nozzle some damage), I think the water should probably have slightly more knock-back.

I would agree that some more knockback would likely be needed too. But from the Gameplay footage, I would say it LOOKS like it already got buffed in knockback. The move seems more powerful just by looking at it.

But if F.L.U.D.D did damage it would have to be like Fox's blaster. Not making the enemy flinch. That is, if F.L.U.D.D is still a gimping tool of sorts.

I was thinking more along the lines of:
Up special stays the same.
Down special doesn't charge like in Brawl, but instead insta charges on the ground (like ROB's laser).
When you use the down special on the ground, it functions as normal, when used in the air, it switches to the hover nozzle and helps Mario recover.
Side special works the same, but if you hold down the button for a bit longer it'll swing into a glide, Mario could even slam into the ground to stun enemies.

@SaturnGamer64

You just lost a lot of credibility with my by calling Lucas a clone, his specials are similar yes, but functionally different. All of his regulars are completely different besides the stick. Even Wolf isn't a clone, none of his moves are similar to Fox besides his marginally different specials (and dat Landmaster).

Would Krystal's specials resemble Fox's specials? Yeah, it can form a barrier like Fox's reflector, it can perform a boost like Fox's recovery, it fires blasts like Fox's lasers, she'd probably get a different side special. All of her regular attacks would be completely different though, just like Wolf.

Ok. You know what's up. Good sir I think you need to be a developer for this game.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Pseudo-Clone is essentially the term you are looking for.

No, I'm trying to find a term that refers to any character that shares a lot of moves with another.

Pseudo Clone would refer to someone who is visually a clone, but not actually.

 

[JamesDNaux]

Another good idea, I like the idea of FLUDD being like ROB's laser. I mean with this idea, you lose nothing, but gain everything...

Anyways, yeah. Lucas isn't a clone, he is in the same vein as Wolf. Even most of his specials function differently like the ice or the PK fire just does knock-back damage (which is horrible compared to the version Ness procures. His up and down specials are the only real copy and paste. Even then, if I recall correctly, the up-special for Lucas is slightly faster. I could be wrong. The normals, smash attacks, and aerials are all pretty much different. His side smash is comparable, but again, they function differently.

His up special goes through enemies doing small continual damage while Ness' hits them and disappears, causing a larger hit. His down special is pretty much the same, but when used in conjunction with his side special, it can actually do a quick boost horizontally in the air, aiding recovery. Wolf's side special is a pretty lazy excuse of a difference, but his blaster and up special are fairly different enough, and there's not much to be done with his reflector.

Oh, whatever! clone, semi-clone, quarter clone, can you people come up with a single term that refers to "Character that shares many moves with another character"? I'm getting kind of tired of the specific terminology.

Lucas shares just five moves (not counting the final smash) with Ness, two of which function completely differently while only one is almost the exact same.

No, I'm trying to find a term that refers to any character that shares a lot of moves with another.

Pseudo Clone would refer to someone who is visually a clone, but not actually.

That is exactly the term you're looking for then, Wolf and Lucas are clones only in looks and very few moves.

 

[shrooby]

No... it was always Marth because of FE1 and FE3. Anna has never been a main lord.

Fire Emblem didn't really have a mascot. It still doesn't really. Marth got in because he was a popular choice in Japan. (Which may have correlated with the two our of four games in the series he appeared in.) Marth is like the the unofficial face of Fire Emblem, if you will. He's the thing that most people would immediately associate with the series, but I don't think (correct me if I'm wrong, please) he's been officially acknowledged as the mascot. At least not before Melee he wasn't.
Anna kind of serves as the mascot internally. Eh, I don't really know how to put it.
She's the character that kind of brings all of the games together (minus one) since she's been in all of them.

Oh, whatever! clone, semi-clone, quarter clone, can you people come up with a single term that refers to "Character that shares many moves with another character"? I'm getting kind of tired of the specific terminology.

Character That Shares Moves With Another: a CTSMWA
Pronounced like cuts-mwah (mwah as in "mwahahaha.")

 

[TheLastJinjo]

That is exactly the term you're looking for then, Wolf and Lucas are clones only in looks and very few moves.

But, I can't use that to refer to Dr. Mario

 

[Morbi]

But, I can't use that to refer to Dr. Mario

Dr. Mario is just a blatant clone though, isn't he? I mean aside from pills and lightning.

 

[JamesDNaux]

This is how I see the clone scale:

Clone as ****: Almost entirely the same moveset as another character - Ex. Young Link, Toon Link, Dr. Mario, Pichu, Roy
Semi Clone: Shares roughly half a moveset, may have been Luigified - Ex. Luigi, Falco, Ganondorf
Psuedo Clone: Might look similar and share a couple moves, but otherwise completely different - Ex. Lucas, Wolf, Lucario, Ike, Jigglypuff
Not a clone: Completely original - Ex. Mario, Bowser, Samus/Zamus, Peach, Zelda/Sheik, Miss Fit, Yoshi, Sonic, Dedede, Wario, Pit, DK, Diddy, R.O.B.
Woah das unique: Something far from what anyone else does - Ex. Rosalina, Ice Climbers, Snake, Olimar, Mega Man, Pokemon Trainer

But, I can't use that to refer to Dr. Mario

Because Doc is completely a clone.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Because Doc is completely a clone.

Okay, but word could refer to both clones AND semi/pseudo clones?

 

[Morbi]

Okay, but word could refer to both clones AND semi/pseudo clones?

"Not entirely original characters."

 

[JamesDNaux]

Okay, but word could refer to both clones AND semi/pseudo clones?

Character.

 

[Arcanir]

Psuedo Clone: Might look similar and share a couple moves, but otherwise completely different - Ex. Lucas, Wolf, Lucario, Ike, Jigglypuff

I can't say I agree with Lucario's and Ike's placement there. They share one or two moves with another character, in which case you might as well throw in examples like Samus/Mewtwo. Personally, I'd just put them into "Not a Clone" since they don't draw from a base character like the other three examples.

 

[JamesDNaux]

I can't say I agree with Lucario's and Ike's placement there. They share one or two moves with another character, in which case you might as well throw in examples like Samus/Mewtwo. Personally, I'd just put them into "Not a Clone" since they don't draw from a base character.

Might look similar and share a couple moves, but otherwise completely different.

 

[Arcanir]

Might look similar and share a couple moves, but otherwise completely different.

I can't say I agree with that definition, it's a bit broad for what it's trying to do. Again, we have examples like Samus/Mewtwo who share two moves and similar body types (in the sense that they're humanoids) but are completely different otherwise and yet are not thrown into this category. I think that needs to be reworded a bit.

The issue I have with the termology used is that pseudo implies that in some respects they're clones, which neither of the two are. With the other three, they do draw from their previous analogues somewhat so "pseudo" works for them, Lucario and Ike's similarities end at those one-two moves and neither draw from another base character. Plus, the niche that they're built for completely differs from the ones they're compared to, so essentially in no respects are they clones.

 

[Morbi]

Is there a support thread for this guy, the most likely Donkey Kong representative???

http://donkeykong.wikia.com/wiki/Rambi_the_Rhinoceros

 

[andimidna]

Is there a support thread for this guy, the most likely Donkey Kong representative???

http://donkeykong.wikia.com/wiki/Rambi_the_Rhinoceros

There is a major lack of rhinos in Smash Bros. I think we need at least 2, Rambi seems like a good choice.

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

Is there a support thread for this guy, the most likely Donkey Kong representative???

http://donkeykong.wikia.com/wiki/Rambi_the_Rhinoceros

I must say though he would make an awesome rideable item. Just have his crate drop down

 

[AEMehr]

How about @No.

Pretty sure he's saying "Directly!" as his pose implies. Not sure why please understand is there???

 

[M23-X0]

So the week is over, and I'm now ready to post my latest roster update~

I really like this roster. First of all, this roster is really different from other ones, and I like the disposition of the characters.
Secondly, you did choose plausible characters, and you added reps where we need them (DK, Fire Emblem, Metroid, KI and not Mario, Kirby or Starfox).

I really like the fact that you included Robin as she/he is my most wanted newcomer, but truth be told, I don't think we can see her/him without Chrom playable.

I would fill the last slot with a new IP character (TW101, Miyamoto's new IP or original smash character) and this roster would be near perfect for me.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Is there a support thread for this guy, the most likely Donkey Kong representative???

http://donkeykong.wikia.com/wiki/Rambi_the_Rhinoceros

If anything, Rambi seems more qualified to be an Assist Trophy.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

There is a major lack of rhinos in Smash Bros. I think we need at least 2, Rambi seems like a good choice.

Super Smash Rhinos.
Seems legit.

 

[JamesDNaux]

I can't say I agree with that definition, it's a bit broad for what it's trying to do. Again, we have examples like Samus/Mewtwo who share two moves and similar body types (in the sense that they're humanoids) but are completely different otherwise and yet are not thrown into this category. I think that needs to be reworded a bit.

The issue I have with the termology used is that pseudo implies that in some respects they're clones, which neither of the two are. With the other three, they do draw from their previous analogues somewhat so "pseudo" works for them, Lucario and Ike's similarities end at those one-two moves and neither draw from another base character. Plus, the niche that they're built for completely differs from the ones they're compared to, so essentially in no respects are they clones.

Mewtwo and Samus are not from the same series. Pseudo clone refers to two characters from the same series that look similar enough and share at least one move, not a bunch of moves. They aren't actually clones, I'm just using the term on characters that people always say are clones because they don't actually try them. Lucario, Ike, Wolf, and Lucas aren't clones, but some people call them clones just by taking a glance at them, hence Pseudo (false) clone.

 

[Arcadenik]

This is how I see the clone scale:

Clone as ****: Almost entirely the same moveset as another character - Ex. Young Link, Toon Link, Dr. Mario, Pichu, Roy
Semi Clone: Shares roughly half a moveset, may have been Luigified - Ex. Luigi, Falco, Ganondorf
Psuedo Clone: Might look similar and share a couple moves, but otherwise completely different - Ex. Lucas, Wolf, Lucario, Ike, Jigglypuff
Not a clone: Completely original - Ex. Mario, Bowser, Samus/Zamus, Peach, Zelda/Sheik, Miss Fit, Yoshi, Sonic, Dedede, Wario, Pit, DK, Diddy, R.O.B.
Woah das unique: Something far from what anyone else does - Ex. Rosalina, Ice Climbers, Snake, Olimar, Mega Man, Pokemon Trainer

Because Doc is completely a clone.

Toon Link is at least a semi clone if not a pseudo clone, but he sure as hell is not a clone as **** like Young Link is.

 

[Cobalsh]

Super Smash Rhinos.
Seems legit.

Not more so than Super Smash Lovers.

 

[Will]

Not more so than Super Smash Lovers.

Oh hell no,there ain't gonna be no damn Rom-Com in this thread!

 

[Depressed Gengar]

Are there even any other Nintendo-owned Rhinos aside from Rambi and Rhydon?

 

[Oniric Spriter]

This is how I see the clone scale:

Clone as ****: Almost entirely the same moveset as another character - Ex. Young Link, Toon Link, Dr. Mario, Pichu, Roy
Semi Clone: Shares roughly half a moveset, may have been Luigified - Ex. Luigi, Falco, Ganondorf
Psuedo Clone: Might look similar and share a couple moves, but otherwise completely different - Ex. Lucas, Wolf, Lucario, Ike, Jigglypuff
Not a clone: Completely original - Ex. Mario, Bowser, Samus/Zamus, Peach, Zelda/Sheik, Miss Fit, Yoshi, Sonic, Dedede, Wario, Pit, DK, Diddy, R.O.B.
Woah das unique: Something far from what anyone else does - Ex. Rosalina, Ice Climbers, Snake, Olimar, Mega Man, Pokemon Trainer

Because Doc is completely a clone.

Lucario and Ike aren't pseudo-clones. Of who is Ike a clone exactly?

 

[Will]

Are there even any other Nintendo-owned Rhinos aside from Rambi and Rhydon?

That Super Mario World Mini Boss.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Are there even any other Nintendo-owned Rhinos aside from Rambi and Rhydon?

Not in species, but there's one named Dino Rhino:

Clearly not a fricking rhino though. Mind you Toad isn't actually an amphibian, and Petey Piranha isn't actually a fish.

The Mario series is bad at naming things.

 

[Will]

Lucario and Ike aren't pseudo-clones. Of who is Ike a clone exactly?

Ike shares a similarity of Roy,because of their swords having the ability of pyrokenesis. AKA Fire Sword.

Lucario shares a similarity to Mewtwo because of their Neutral B.

 

[Tepig2000]

Are there even any other Nintendo-owned Rhinos aside from Rambi and Rhydon?

Rhyhorn and Rhyperior

 

[Oniric Spriter]

Ike shares a similarity of Roy,because of their swords having the ability of pyrokenesis. AKA Fire Sword.

Lucario shares a similarity to Mewtwo because of their Neutral B.

That's no clone

 

[Will]

That's no clone

Read the definition of Pseudo-Clone.

 

[Tepig2000]

Ike shares a similarity of Roy,because of their swords having the ability of pyrokenesis. AKA Fire Sword.

Lucario shares a similarity to Mewtwo because of their Neutral B.

But Ike's play style is different from Roy's. And Lucario's Aura Sphere power depends on how much damage he has. In other words, completely different.

 

[Will]

But Ike's play style is different from Roy's. And Lucario's Aura Sphere power depends on how much damage he has. In other words, completely different.

But the moves "might look similar"

 

[Tepig2000]

But the moves "might look similar"

Yeah, but the look does not mean anything. As an example, Lucas's and Ness's down tilts look different but function the same way.

 

[Will]

Yeah, but the look does not mean anything. As an example, Lucas's and Ness's down tilts look different but function the same way.

Fine,say what you want,I just want to eat my Coffee Cake.

 

[Tepig2000]

Fine,say what you want,I just want to eat my Coffee Cake.

Coffee Cake? I didn't even know this was a thing.

 

[Will]

Coffee Cake? I didn't even know this was a thing.

It's a breakfeast cake that you can dip in coffee. It's more like a cinnamon roll,but in the actual shape of a cake.

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

@Hotfeet444 You do realize Phantom Zelda is an AT right?

Last I checked, that Phantom was "To Be Determined". We have nowhere near enough information to make proper judgement. I agree in that I think it's an assist, but it isn't set it just yet.