Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Depressed Gengar]

Well there's also a list of things it SHOULDN'T have

*Cough cough* Krystal! *Cough cough*

 

[TheLastJinjo]

So what about Louie from Pikmin? He's a somewhat deserving character and if we're going for IPs that haven't been given an additional character yet, Kid Icarus and Pikmin are the only ones i can think of that deserve or have a deserving character.

Could give Louie Rock and Wing Pikmin, but aside from that and altered specials, I don't know if he'd bring too much new to the table, and that's mostly my concern with him.1

And before you say it, I don't care if Pikmin needs another character or not. Whether an IP needs another character is subjective so I'd like to hear other arguments.

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

Snake shouldn't have been in Brawl in the first place.

Watch your back..

 

[JamesDNaux]

Sir Daniel, Sweet Tooth, Young Heihachi, and Toro (In Japan) were also on PSOne.

Sir Dan is the greatest. Sadly, they apparently made him suck badly in the game.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Snake shouldn't have been in Brawl in the first place.

Could you repeat that? I have some bull**** stuck in my ears.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

We're still talking about Sony characters? Come on you guys, this ain't Royaleboards.

 

[FlareHabanero]

You know, people should realize if it wasn't for Snake's reveal we wouldn't of gotten Sonic or Mega Man. If that alone is not good enough for appreciation, he's also a very solid character.

 

[JamesDNaux]

You know, people should realize if it wasn't for Snake's reveal we wouldn't of gotten Sonic or Mega Man. If that alone is good enough for appreciation, he's also a very solid character.

Oh you.

We're still talking about Sony characters? Come on you guys, this ain't Royaleboards.

I was actually attempting to make a roster full of Sony characters and I seem to have run into the same problem that they did when making Royale, not enough good characters.

 

[PLATINUM7]

You know, people should realize if it wasn't for Snake's reveal we wouldn't of gotten Sonic or Mega Man. If that alone is good enough for appreciation, he's also a very solid character.

I see what you did there.
I don't know if Sonic and Mega Man were only made possible because of Snake but he certainly helped.

I was actually attempting to make a roster full of Sony characters and I seem to have run into the same problem that they did when making Royale, not enough good characters.

Giant Enemy Crab

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Seriously though, I can think of a few reasons to add Louie

1. It's usually realistic to add additions to IPs that haven't gotten any yet. The only deserving ones or ones with viable additions are Kid Icarus and Pikmin from what I can gather.
   
2. Winged and Rock Pikmin
3. Semi-Clones are usually in Smash. Not because they are semi-clones, but still.
4. Pikmin certainly deserves it

 

[FlareHabanero]

I don't know if Sonic and Mega Man were only made possible because of Snake but he certainly helped.

Nope, nobody thought the prospect of a third party character was possible, so nobody (aside form the very few hopers) requested those type of characters.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Hmmm... it's kind of hard to remember these details. Never had a Playstation, but I did get a Playstation 2.

As far as the 1st party characters go in Playstation All Stars, I think they added the biggest characters they had. What It lacked in was the 3rd party characters. 6 of the most wanted characters (Crash, Spyro, Snake, Cloud, Sora and Lara Croft) didn't make it in because they couldn't get the rights to use any of them, and that was there biggest downfall.

 

[PLATINUM7]

Nope, nobody thought the prospect of a third party character was possible, so nobody (aside form the very few hopers) requested those type of characters.

I see what your saying. Sonic was added due to being highly requested which only happened due to Snake making people request third parties.

As far as the 1st party characters go in Playstation All Stars, I think they added the biggest characters they had. What It lacked in was the 3rd party characters. 6 of the most wanted characters (Crash, Spyro, Snake, Cloud, Sora and Lara Croft) didn't make it in because they couldn't get the rights to use any of them, and that was there biggest downfall.

Snake didn't get in because Kojima wanted Raiden to promote Metal Gear Rising.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I see what your saying. Sonic was added due to being highly requested which only happened due to Snake making people request third parties.

Are you trying to tell me Sonic wasn't requested before that!?

 

[FlareHabanero]

Are you trying to tell me Sonic wasn't requested before that!?

Nope.

Sonic's requests came after E3 2006. A lot of requests that dwarfed many others.

 

[PLATINUM7]

Are you trying to tell me Sonic wasn't requested before that!?

He was but he was requested a lot more after Snake's reveal. Before Snake I would have laughed at any one suggesting a third party character but after his reveal I certainly changed my mind.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Nope.

Sonic's requests came after E3 2006. A lot of requests that dwarfed many others.

Why weren't there any before that though? I've heard plenty of requests for him before Snake was revealed.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Snake didn't get in because Kojima wanted Raiden to promote Metal Gear Rising.

Kojima alowed Raiden to be, but not Snake, meaning they couldn't get the rights to use Snake.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Why weren't there any before that though? I've heard plenty of requests for him before Snake was revealed.

There wasn't nearly as many requests, due to the prospect constantly being shot down by the factor of people thinking such a character wasn't possible.

However, Sonic did have the benefit of being part of that infamous Electric Monthly rumor that stated Sonic was an unlockable character in Super Smash Bros. Melee. So even though people thought the idea wasn't possible, some people still had the prospect in the back in their head influenced by that rumor, along with the general concept of Mario vs. Sonic that was popular at the time. But again, it was merely a dream.

Then Snake happened, and you should know what happened.

 

[JamesDNaux]

Snake didn't get in because Kojima wanted Raiden to promote Metal Gear Rising.

Nah, he didn't get in because Kojima still wants him in Smash Bros.

 

[PLATINUM7]

Nah, he didn't get in because Kojima still wants him in Smash Bros.

Maybe Kojima's begged Sakurai to add Raiden? Then there will be a swarm of requests for other third party franchises to get a second character.

 

[Knight Dude]

The main difference between Super Smash Bros. and Playstation All-Stars Battle Royale in terms of roster is that the latter has a notable stigma is staying too focused on what exactly is new while not ensuring the characters themselves mesh well, and is kind of alienates a large chunk of people that have played on the original Playstation and to a lesser extent the Playstation 2. The only characters that cater to the old school fans are Parappa and Spike.

Don't forget Sir Dan. At least he was added. But it's pretty clear that most people want Spyro and Crash characters in PSAS. Also throw in Dr. Nefarious and Quark, along with some other Sly Cooper characters.

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

I recall platinum games was pissed when raiden got leaked for that roster before they had a chance to reveal him.

 

[PLATINUM7]

Don't forget Sir Dan. At least he was added. But it's pretty clear that most people want Spyro and Crash characters in PSAS. Also throw in Dr. Nefarious and Quark, along with some other Sly Cooper characters.

Aside from some series getting a second character there aren't really many more 1st and 2nd party characters Sony can add.

 

[UltimateWario]

So, Cave Story has one part that is one of the most poorly-designed segments in any video game.

An old man falls down this mine shaft right in front of you at one point; it's somebody you know, and he's a good guy. Of course, you're inclined to go check on him, right? Wanna make sure he didn't break his ****ing back?

Yeah, well, if you do, you can't get the good ending. Turns out, if you check on him, he dies, but for whatever reason, if you just let him deal with his broken old man back alone at the bottom of a mineshaft, he magically survives, you can save your friend later on (completely unrelated, but if you check on the old man, the item you need to save her magically disappears), and you get the good ending.

So I have to start the game over because I wanted to be a good person. -slow clap- Yaaaay. Caaaaaave Stooory.

 

[PLATINUM7]

So, Cave Story has one part that is one of the most poorly-designed segments in any video game.

A man falls down this mine shaft right in front of you at one point; it's somebody you know, and he's a good guy. Of course, you're inclined to go check on him, right? Wanna make sure he didn't break his ****ing back?

Yeah, well, if you do, you can't get the good ending. Turns out, if you check on him, he dies, but for whatever reason, if you just let him deal with his broken old man back alone at the bottom of a mineshaft, he magically survives and you get the good ending.

So I have to start the game over because I wanted to be a good person. -slow clap- Yaaaay.

It doesn't take that long to get back to that point. It doesn't take long to finish the game either. I played through the game twice in one day getting both the good and bad endings and it was also the first time I played Cave Story.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

So, Cave Story has one part that is one of the most poorly-designed segments in any video game.

An old man falls down this mine shaft right in front of you at one point; it's somebody you know, and he's a good guy. Of course, you're inclined to go check on him, right? Wanna make sure he didn't break his ****ing back?

Yeah, well, if you do, you can't get the good ending. Turns out, if you check on him, he dies, but for whatever reason, if you just let him deal with his broken old man back alone at the bottom of a mineshaft, he magically survives and you get the good ending.

So I have to start the game over because I wanted to be a good person. -slow clap- Yaaaay. Caaaaaave Stooory.

That logic sounds worse than anything Pokémon's done.

 

[UltimateWario]

That logic sounds worse than anything Pokémon's done.

...wut

It doesn't take that long to get back to that point. It doesn't take long to finish the game either. I played through the game twice in one day getting both the good and bad endings and it was also the first time I played Cave Story.

It doesn't matter how long it takes, I really don't want to have to play through the same two or so hours I just played.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Discuss me...

 

[Knight Dude]

Aside from some series getting a second character there aren't really many more 1st and 2nd party characters Sony can add.

True. But some series like Ratchet and Clank, Sly Cooper, InFamous and potentially Crash Bandicoot have enough characters available to make a good roster. Also, keep the main man Heihachi Mishima, he's a good fit. If Sony ever makes a sequel, which they should, Knack can be thrown in too.

Though to be honest, Sega, Capcom, and Namco would be able to make their own Smash clones and have hype as hell rosters.

So, Cave Story has one part that is one of the most poorly-designed segments in any video game.

An old man falls down this mine shaft right in front of you at one point; it's somebody you know, and he's a good guy. Of course, you're inclined to go check on him, right? Wanna make sure he didn't break his ****ing back?

Yeah, well, if you do, you can't get the good ending. Turns out, if you check on him, he dies, but for whatever reason, if you just let him deal with his broken old man back alone at the bottom of a mineshaft, he magically survives, you can save your friend later on (completely unrelated, but if you check on the old man, the item you need to save her magically disappears), and you get the good ending.

So I have to start the game over because I wanted to be a good person. -slow clap- Yaaaay. Caaaaaave Stooory.

And what did you learn? Never help anyone. Being a good person will only result in bad things. Thanks Cave Story!

 

[Depressed Gengar]

...wut

I was just joking. (But still, that logic is terrible.)

 

[Knight Dude]

Discuss me...

He'd be an Olimar clone most likely. Not even a likable one, Louie is a jerk. Might as well have Alph, Brittany, or Charlie. At least they are reasonably likable. Well he does have one thing going for him. In that he'd have a unique Final Smash.

 

[UltimateWario]

Is that supposed to be Louie?

Why is he all cute and ****?

 

[FlareHabanero]

Is that supposed to be Louie?

Why is he all cute and ****?

The internet turns everything into a moe blob.

 

[PLATINUM7]

True. But some series like Ratchet and Clank, Sly Cooper, InFamous and potentially Crash Bandicoot have enough characters available to make a good roster. Also, keep the main man Heihachi Mishima, he's a good fit. If Sony ever makes a sequel, which they should, Knack can be thrown in too.

Though to be honest, Sega, Capcom, and Namco would be able to make their own Smash clones and have hype as hell rosters.



And what did you learn? Never help anyone. Being a good person will only result in bad things. Thanks Cave Story!

I once made a roster with all the Smash Bros. characters and PSASBR characters and tried adding new Sony characters to balance out the difference in numbers. Aside from adding characters from already represented series the only other decent characters I could think of adding were 3rd parties. Eventually I had to scrape the bottom of the barrel and add Knack, Tigershark, Iota (from Tearaway) and Giant Enemy Crab (he's more of a stab at Sony than anything).

 

[Depressed Gengar]

The internet turns everything into a moe blob.

Just like how it it turned Peach into a waifu or whatever?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Well he does have one thing going for him. In that he'd have a unique Final Smash.

Hopefully, but he'd probably get Titan Dweevil just to differentiate him more. But, we can only hope after Lucas got PK Starstorm. I just think he might be a probable addition as it'd give characters to franchises that have never gotten more after their first appearance. Which you can't deny is something Sakurai likely sees as important in new installments.

The only real problem I can think of is his big similarities to Olimar.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Just like how it it turned Peach into a waifu or whatever?

R34, it strikes everywhere, even your childhood.

 

[UltimateWario]

Charlie was the best Captain, anyway.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Charlie was the best Captain, anyway.

I hate Charlie...Oh, god how I hate him.