Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[YoshiandToad]

How about we talk about Yoshi?

Sure!

Okay so I'd like the length of his grab to be extended. We've seen how long his tongue is and considering his reach is SHORTER than Marth, who is just using his damn arm that's something I feel needs fixing ASAP. Make the tongue have a lot more reach.

Give him back the power of his meteor Smash from Melee. That move felt really satisfying to pull off right(just as a meteor Smash should), give the full control of the eggs back to him from Melee, but keep the ability to hover a tiny bit from Brawl whilst doing so. Keep the Egg Roll priority of Brawl, and fix those silly hit boxes for him and he should be half way decent.

I would like a small boost in power overall though, as he felt rather underpowered in Brawl.

Yoshi also desperately wants to leap out his shield. Give him this ability like everyone else already. It feels like he's being punished for having a custom shield.

On a smaller aesthetic scale I'd really like to see the colour of the eggs change to match Yoshi's palette. Seeing Yellow Yoshi throw green eggs or roll into an egg roll is just...yeah.

His Final Smash? Is perfect. I really hope they don't change the Super Dragon. It's one of the better ones; like a weaker Super Sonic but with projectiles.

The ability to target the eggs like in the games.

And Baby Mario adds nothing, I don't know why people keep suggesting that. I'd rather have Yoshi be his own character than Yoshi + Mario.

Unless we have the ability to throw Baby Mario at enemies, I'm with you. It's an interesting gimmick idea, but not needed.

Although Blue's got a point about aimable eggs like that, it's going to mess up your recovery.
Yoshi's eggs are mostly fine as they are with a curved arc anyway.

Actually I do sort of want the ability to chuck the babies now. I guess I'm a monster.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

And now I'm sneezing like crazy.
Also, don't think Baby Mario is needed.

 

[BluePikmin11]

What if Yoshi's eggs automically target the opponent, maybe it could really help his eggs to be very useful.

 

[Cobalsh]

And a Doctor, Olympic athlete, etc.

Wario is all that and more!

 

[Gunla]

.... 75 pages...


... in 3 days....

HOW DO YOU PEOPLE MANAGE THIS??

Because that's how we roll.

 

[Chandeelure]

Should I expect something cool for the 21th? XD

 

[Knight Dude]

I don't know how we could add into Yoshi other than Baby Mario together as a duo.

That's a really pointless idea though. What would he add? For the most part, Yoshi's moveset is fine. All he needs is some minor tweaks.

Because that's how we roll.

Damn right.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I can't wait to see Dedede this week or next.

Although, should we expect a second character this month? I doubt we'll get one imo.

Sakurai did say he isn't revealing as much this time around. I just want Snake and Ike at this point. I'll probably accept any newcomers at this point anyway.

 

[Arcadenik]

The ability to target the eggs like in the games.

And Baby Mario adds nothing, I don't know why people keep suggesting that. I'd rather have Yoshi be his own character than Yoshi + Mario.

Maybe what if Baby Mario... could use Yoshi's Egg as his main weapon... throwing it around, kicking it around, rolling it around... and it doesn't break... kinda like the Smash Egg item in Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time... and he could stuff the egg inside his yellow cape and swing the cape around, smashing enemies with the egg inside...

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

If anything, I think we may get all of the newcomers revealed before release. Simply for hype inducing reasons.
Granted, specific veterans can do amazing things. Ike and Snake are two that can do that. Falco too.

The only reason I think all newcomers will be revealed is because of the trailers that come with them. I can see us getting two characters next month, being Diddy Kong and a possible newcomer (unless they suck and give us Diddy in the ND for TF).

I guess we'll have to wait and see.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Maybe what if Baby Mario... could use Yoshi's Egg as his main weapon... throwing it around, kicking it around, rolling it around... and it doesn't break... kinda like the Smash Egg item in Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time... and he could stuff the egg inside his yellow cape and swing the cape around, smashing enemies with the egg inside...

Yeah I was kinda thinking of that too, for his side-b it could be replaced with Baby Mario hitting the Yoshi egg with his hammer, which can be angled, and the projectile will hit in a straight-forward path. I think Baby Mario could really help Yoshi IMO.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Maybe what if Baby Mario... could use Yoshi's Egg as his main weapon... throwing it around, kicking it around, rolling it around... and it doesn't break... kinda like the Smash Egg item in Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time... and he could stuff the egg inside his yellow cape and swing the cape around, smashing enemies with the egg inside...

But that's pretty much Yoshi's thing; throwing eggs, rolling around in eggs, shielding in eggs. Baby Mario's main skill that I remember was his ability to run REALLY fast. Like fast enough to run up walls.

Actually screw it; does anyone really WANT the Mario Babies? Last time I checked people didn't even want them in Mario Kart. This is from a Yoshi's Island fan.

 

[BluePikmin11]

People don't want Baby Mario because of his baby screams.
But I think it could add something to Yoshi and could bring Yoshi closer to his Yoshi's Island self with a bit of Partners in Time mix.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Baby Mario still doesn't add anything, and in the end, there really is no provocation for Sakurai to do anything more than have Yoshi be made into a better fighter.

 

[Arcadenik]

But that's pretty much Yoshi's thing; throwing eggs, rolling around in eggs, shielding in eggs. Baby Mario's main skill that I remember was his ability to run REALLY fast. Like fast enough to run up walls.

Actually screw it; does anyone really WANT the Mario Babies? Last time I checked people didn't even want them in Mario Kart. This is from a Yoshi's Island fan.

And we all know how good Yoshi is at doing those...

I'd have liked Yoshi to get new moves and give some of his old moves to Baby Mario even if Baby Mario does them differently, they would still have similar functions...

Yoshi's moves...
B: eat enemies and turn them into eggs... same move
Side+B: aim with crosshairs... throw eggs when releasing the button
Up+B: turn into an egg and launch himself... like in Yoshi's Story after eating those flowers...
Down+B: ground pound... same move
Final Smash: Super Dragon... same move

Baby Mario's moves...
B: counter attacks with Chain Chomp... it also eats projectiles and thrown items
Side+B: get on top of the egg and run... making the egg roll... similar to Yoshi's old Side+B
Up+B: kick the egg up in various angles... like the Smash Egg item in Partners in Time... similar to Yoshi's old Up+B
Down+B: Chain Chomp drops from above, burying enemies underground... remember those levels in Yoshi's Island games?
Final Smash: Superstar Mario... like Wario-Man, I guess?

 

[BluePikmin11]

It's a nice way to refresh Yoshi though. I love new movesets for veterans.

 

[AncientTobacco]

It's a nice way to refresh Yoshi though.

No, it's not.

Can we move to another subject now?

 

[Gunla]

If anything, I think we may get all of the newcomers revealed before release. Simply for hype inducing reasons.
Granted, specific veterans can do amazing things. Ike and Snake are two that can do that. Falco too.

The only reason I think all newcomers will be revealed is because of the trailers that come with them. I can see us getting two characters next month, being Diddy Kong and a possible newcomer (unless they suck and give us Diddy in the ND for TF).

I guess we'll have to wait and see.

I just want them to reveal Yoshi so all those annoying people who think Yoshi isn't an obvious lock can finally get it.

 

[FalKoopa]

How about aimable eggs?

And talking about a 2nd Yoshi character, it's Kamek or bust (for me).

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

It's a nice way to refresh Yoshi though. I love new movesets for veterans.

Think of it this way. For every refreshed veteran (or overhauled), we lost one potential newcomer.

For somebody like Yoshi, all he needs are some buffs. He isn't broken, and therefore doesn't require a redone moveset. His moveset suits him.

Characters like Bowser and Ganondorf are the ones who truly need new movesets. Even Falco to declone him further. THOSE are the characters who need to be refreshed. Not ones who have movesets that just need to be buffed.

 

[BluePikmin11]

No, it's not.

Can we move to another subject now?

Oh come on, every time it's not involving the unargueable newcomers like K. Rool or Ridley and renewed movesets for veterans, it ends up being denied.

 

[Baskerville]

Giving much needed alterations to Yoshi's moveset is a good thing yes, but lumping Baby Mario with him isn't the way to go about it.

How about aimable eggs?

Like this.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I just want them to reveal Yoshi so all those annoying people who think Yoshi isn't an obvious lock can finally get it.

Anyone who thinks he isn't a lock is a moron.

 

[AncientTobacco]

How about aimable eggs?

I suggested that, but people said it would screw up his recovery...

And talking about a 2nd Yoshi character, it's Kamek or bust (for me).

Agreed.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Down+B: Chain Chomp drops from above, burying enemies underground... remember those levels in Yoshi's Island games?

Liked for this part mostly. As a Yoshi main I'm not sure how I feel about the removal of Egg Throw since it's probably the main move you'll use to rack up damage.
I can understand why people would prefer a more traditional third jump though.

Egg Roll did sort of come off as useless to me in Melee(except for recovery), but since it doesn't break as soon as someone blinks at in Brawl I hate it considerably less these days. I guess I'd be open to a new Side B for Yoshi.

It's a nice way to refresh Yoshi though. I love new movesets for veterans.

I'm worried we may get a new 'FLUDD' style. Yeah, yeah it's good for spacing, I know, but I'd still rather spin punch into people with Mario Tornado.

How about aimable eggs?

And talking about a 2nd Yoshi character, it's Kamek or bust (for me).

Ya mean MORE aimable eggs right?

If we had to have a second Yoshi character...yeah, Kamek before the babies please.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I suggested that, but people said it would screw up his recovery...

Agreed.

I don't think it would ruin his recovery. If they make it so it isn't able to be aimed while in the air, but they can be aimed while grounded, it would work perfectly.

 

[Baskerville]

I suggested that, but people said it would screw up his recovery...

His recovery was always screwed, and making his tongue a tether recovery with more reach is a much better trade off in my opinion.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I'll just post the idea of aimable eggs here:

One way I think the Egg Throw could be more useful is if they automatically target the opponent. You hold the recovery butten for one second, then it will automatically hit the target at maximum damage. It also gives Yoshi an extra short boost of recovery.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I'll just post the idea of aimable eggs here:

That sounds too overpowered. You could gimp or finish off anybody from anywhere. I think Yoshi could use some improvements, but not a complete overhaul.

 

[Chandeelure]

Yoshi needs more knockback, aimable eggs ,longer tongue and a tether recovery.

 

[Knowwuh]

And talking about a 2nd Yoshi character, it's Kamek or bust (for me).

Agreed.

Think of it this way. For every refreshed veteran (or overhauled), we lost one potential newcomer.

For somebody like Yoshi, all he needs are some buffs. He isn't broken, and therefore doesn't require a redone moveset. His moveset suits him.

Characters like Bowser and Ganondorf are the ones who truly need new movesets. Even Falco to declone him further. THOSE are the characters who need to be refreshed. Not ones who have movesets that just need to be buffed.

Agreed.

 

[Gunla]

That sounds too overpowered. You could gimp or finish off anybody from anywhere. I think Yoshi could use some improvements, but not a complete overhaul.

I believe that a lot of characters should recieve tiny changes, like a change in a special move or how it acts, but not a giant overhaul. G-Dorf is the only one in desperate need of a freaking overhaul, followed by Bowser and maybe Falco. JUST GIVE ME BACK MY REGULAR SHINE AND I WILL BE HAPPY, GREAT SAKURAI.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Well I forgot tell that you can only aim at the opponent from a platform distance, so it's not really overpowered. You can't aim straight if you are not close to the opponent.

 

[Deleted member]

Too bad there's no Kamen Rider in Smash. So Falcon's original.

I think you need to look in the dictionary to see what "original" means.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

It would have been nice to have an actually awesome reveal today, so I wasn't just sitting in my house because of the Blizzard outside. Snow flying everywhere with -30ish temperatures.

Anyway, my verdict on Yoshi is that he needs a few changes here and there, but nothing extreme. His moveset suits him well, but with a few buffs, I think he can be a good character to play as.

 

[Sobreviviente]

Yoshi's eggs should bounce in the ground.

 

[Gunla]

It would have been nice to have an actually awesome reveal today, so I wasn't just sitting in my house because of the Blizzard outside. Snow flying everywhere with -30ish temperatures.

We were going to get Zelda doing a thing at SOME point, it was bound to happen.

 

[FalKoopa]

Ya mean MORE aimable eggs right?

Actually, what I'd like to see is implementing the system in the Yoshi games, using the aiming cursor and the eggs flying in a straight line.

 

[Baskerville]

For aiming eggs, you simply press B and Yoshi will pull out an egg ready to throw it. To throw one just move the Control Stick in any of the 8 directions. They can also bounce off of the ground and off of walls.
EDIT: You can also jump cancel out of it when airborne.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

I'd really like to see Egg Toss become his Side Special and have Flutter Jump be his new Up Special. Also, aimable eggs on ground pls.