Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[God Robert's Cousin]

Mother talk? Honestly I would have to guess that Claus/Masked Man would be the next one in, either him or Porky, the latter of which I'm not sure how he'd work as a character.

Mother desperately needs antagonistic support. Porky for being the big bad in two games, or the Masked Man for being a major character in Mother 3 that has so much non-PSI fighting potential. Either one would complete the series. Also, about Porky, I believe this image speaks plenty of what Porky could do. Unfortunately, a third Mother rep would be very unlikely in the first place.

I'm wondering if a certain Mega Man story-stealing pink Raymanian fighter robot that Oasis loves has more of a shot now.

Sure, he was from a Japan-only retro title, but I really don't think that matters at this point.

Between the roster size not growing as much (or at all) and the fact that Takamaru also stands as a Japan-only retro rep, I think it does. I'd love to see him too, but he still seems unrealistic in the midst of all the other competition for a spot.

Noah has been banned. Hope that calms things down... I mean, why the hell does he need to make such a storm over a character?
Sigh... so much maturity.

Noah's been banned? That's awesome. Hard to believe, but holy crap does that save us a lot of trouble.

I give my regards to whichever forum has to deal with him next. Bless their souls for having to put up with that monstrosity.

 

[Deleted member]

According to some translations, it was because he was an obscure Japan-only character unlikely to be seen again or be seen outside Japan.

 

[---]

I see it as Sakurai changing his mind on particular "final" issues.
Characters like Villager "would not be playable if it doesn't make sense for them to fight". Then we get Villager and as a bonus, Wii Fit Trainer; two characters that wouldn't have made sense as fighters (including one directly used as an example).

Sukapon, we were told "not to expect him in the future". Granted, that was right after Melee, but still.

Yeah I think Villager was more thought out as a character which is why Sakurai changed his mind afterwards.

And no, I'm not using those articles as direct proof. Until what Sakurai said about Sukapon is without a doubt translated correctly, I do not consider Sukapon a "planned character".

At the very least he does acknowledge Sukapon, and not expecting him for future games does show that Sakurai has given him some thought. Like the Villager, this is probably a character that Sakurai has thrown around in his mind as a possibility but has never actually executed on. As for what's preventing him from attempting to include him is anyone's guess but unlike Villager it probably goes beyond a simple moral decision (programing issues?).

 

[FlareHabanero]

According to some translations, it was because he was an obscure Japan-only character unlikely to be seen again or be seen outside Japan.

This statement, if true, does seem kind of odd considering Super Smash Bros. is well known for including some rather odd ball choices for fighting characters.

 

[Sebz]

Gonna repost this roster seeing as how it was lost among the Skull Kid debacle.

-I gave 5 total reps to the big 3 because, well ,they're the big 3.

-I kept toon link and gave him Vaati as his nemesis in order to make him feel a bit more "legitimate"

-With Fire Emblem I decided to add in Hector as a Heavy character, keep Marth as a speed based character, and have Chrom as a mix between the two.

-I decided to drop lil' mac in favor of Takamaru mostly because Villager's already got some boxing glove action going on.

-Switched Simon for Snake (both Konami), seeing as how Metal Gear has stuck with the other consoles for a while now, and also because Castlevania games keep coming out on Nintendo handhelds.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

This statement, if true, does seem kind of odd considering Super Smash Bros. is well known for including some rather odd ball choices for fighting characters.

If Sakurai chooses for an obscure character to be playable, it's okay.
If the fans choose for an obscure character to be playable, it's unwarranted.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Gonna repost this roster seeing as how it was lost among the Skull Kid debacle.

Genesect and Hector seem out of place considering they lack starpower compared to others of their series, and I doubt we'll be getting three 3rd-party characters, let alone four. Beyond that however, it's a decent roster. I would enjoy it, at least.

Predicted a ninja, didn't get one. Double post.

 

[Deleted member]

I still doubt that Sakurai would reconsider Sukapon. Granted, he has proven to change his mind on previously rejected characters as he did with the Villager, but we have to remember that the Villager was rejected based on Sakurai deeming him unsuitable to fight. Sukapon was rejected for a different reason and if this is any indication, it may have to do with his Japan-only status. If Japan-only status did contribute to his rejection, then I doubt Sakurai would change his mind on Sukapon. Villager's inclusion benefits characters like Ridley more than Sukapon.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Gonna repost this roster seeing as how it was lost among the Skull Kid debacle.

-I gave 5 total reps to the big 3 because, well ,they're the big 3.

-I kept toon link and gave him Vaati as his nemesis in order to make him feel a bit more "legitimate"

-With Fire Emblem I decided to add in Hector as a Heavy character, keep Marth as a speed based character, and have Chrom as a mix between the two.

-I decided to drop lil' mac in favor of Takamaru mostly because Villager's already got some boxing glove action going on.

-Switched Simon for Snake (both Konami), seeing as how Metal Gear has stuck with the other consoles for a while now, and also because Castlevania games keep coming out on Nintendo handhelds.

My only gripes with this are the fact that Vaati and Hector are in here. I also can't see Simon replacing Snake but he seems like a decent possibility.

 

[Deleted member]

Villager's inclusion....
....benefits Balloon Fighter?

I'm sorry, but that was too funny that I had to focus on it.
If anything, Villager's inclusion hinders Balloon Fighter by taking his balloon jump technique.

(And before anyone counters with Villager using boxing gloves = problem to Little Mac, that's as absurd as the "too many swords" argument.)

EDIT: You just had to edit your post, SSBF.

 

[FlareHabanero]

If being Japanese of origin is such a notable problem, then how come through out the series we've gotten several characters that debuted only in Japan, a **** ton of cameos of content from other franchises that never made it over seas, and the lack of pessimistic comments towards stuff like The Mysterious Murasame Castle's Takamaru and Panel de Pon's Lip?

 

[FalKoopa]

Chrom looks more like Hector than Marth or Ike, it seems. Lol

My only criticism would be directed at Genesect. If you want a 5th gen representative, IMO Zoroark is a better choice.

I'm also doubtful of Simon Belmont replacing Snake, but it won't bother me.

But to be honest, I'd enjoy that roster immensely.

 

[Sebz]

Genesect and Hector seem out of place considering they lack starpower compared to others of their series, and I doubt we'll be getting three 3rd-party characters, let alone four. Beyond that however, it's a decent roster. I would enjoy it, at least.

Well, Genesect is Gen V's equivalent of Mewtwo, has a Movie coming out soon, and could very well fit the role of a Pokemon villain. (And I love his design!)

Hector, I can't really argue, is a bit of a personal choice. Ike could easily keep his place in the roster, but I went with him because he would add variety to FE reps. Also: Big Axe.

My only gripes with this are the fact that Vaati and Hector are in here. I also can't see Simon replacing Snake but he seems like a decent possibility.

Well, as a sorcerer, Vaati could bring a lot to the table, and as a recurring Zelda villain, I definitely see him as a possibility.

@FalKoopa

It could very well be that Zoroark ends up on top, but I feel like Genesect could have a more fun moveset. Getting different elemental attacks with his canon and shifting into his high-speed flight mode would let the dev team be creative.

 

[Deleted member]

If being Japanese of origin is such a notable problem, then how come through out the series we've gotten several characters that debuted only in Japan, a **** ton of cameos of content from other franchises that never made it over seas, and the lack of pessimistic comments towards stuff like The Mysterious Murasame Castle's Takamaru and Panel de Pon's Lip?

Because in this case, Sakurai noted that Joy Mech Fight would likely never hit outside of Japan. It's not hard to think that a possible reason for Sukapon's rejection had to do with his Japanese origin. Plus didn't Sakurai state that he wanted to reduce focus on adding Japan-only characters during pre-Brawl? Sure we got Lucas in Brawl, but I do think that Sakurai will continue to look for characters that are more international, which is why I have such a hard time seeing characters like Sukapon and Lip.

 

[mimgrim]

Gonna repost this roster seeing as how it was lost among the Skull Kid debacle.

-I gave 5 total reps to the big 3 because, well ,they're the big 3.

-I kept toon link and gave him Vaati as his nemesis in order to make him feel a bit more "legitimate"

-With Fire Emblem I decided to add in Hector as a Heavy character, keep Marth as a speed based character, and have Chrom as a mix between the two.

-I decided to drop lil' mac in favor of Takamaru mostly because Villager's already got some boxing glove action going on.

-Switched Simon for Snake (both Konami), seeing as how Metal Gear has stuck with the other consoles for a while now, and also because Castlevania games keep coming out on Nintendo handhelds.

Hector replacing Ike.... I really doubt that is going to happen at all, Ike will either make a return or be replaced by Chrom.... He won't get replaced by Hector.

4 3rd part characters.... I really don't see that happening, other wise I would have put a castlevania character on my roster also but I felt likt Namco getting a rep was more likely.

In all honesty I believe Waluig, Bowser JR, or King Boo have a better chance of getting in then Paper Mario, with Waluigi being at the top of the list.

Zelda would be better with 4 reps tbh, but if you wanna go with a 5th rep instead of adding a character slot to them I think Ganondorf + Ganon would be a safer bet.

Genesect.... Yea I think Zoroak has a better chance and can offer a great gimmick in the form of Illusion. I think Victini even has a better chance then Genesect, but that is probably just me here.

DK should have a 3rd rep with you picking between dixie or Rool, though I think dixie is the better choice.

Other then that, seems fine.

 

[Sebz]

Hector replacing Ike.... I really doubt that is going to happen at all, Ike will either make a return or be replaced by Chrom.... He won't get replaced by Hector.

Then how about Chrom does replace Ike and Hector gets added? I just put Hector after Marth due to game timeline.

4 3rd part characters.... I really don't see that happening, other wise I would have put a castlevania character on my roster also but I felt likt Namco getting a rep was more likely.

Well, with Snake being less likely, I could still see Konami wanting to get a rep in so I felt that Simon was a reasonable inclusion. Also I'd take Simon over Pac-Man, but Pac-Man's chances are so high I couldn't not include him.

In all honesty I believe Waluig, Bowser JR, or King Boo have a better chance of getting in then Paper Mario, with Waluigi being at the top of the list.

Well, the main point here is that Mario gets a 5th rep. I could totally see any of those making it in (King Boo being the least likely).

Zelda would be better with 4 reps tbh, but if you wanna go with a 5th rep instead of adding a character slot to them I think Ganondorf + Ganon would be a safer bet.

With Zelda being one of the big 3 I think there's a high chance of there being 5 reps. But having two Ganondorfs? Idk, that seems strange to me >.<

Genesect.... Yea I think Zoroak has a better chance and can offer a great gimmick in the form of Illusion. I think Victini even has a better chance then Genesect, but that is probably just me here.

Already made my points about Genesect above^. Still, all reasonable criticism.

DK should have a 3rd rep with you picking between dixie or Rool, though I think dixie is the better choice.

I have a feeling that K. Rool might not make it in, and if he does he might end up as a Boss Battle. I don't really care about dixie to be honest, but if she makes it in, great.

Other then that, seems fine.

Thanks

 

[jaytalks]

Gonna repost this roster seeing as how it was lost among the Skull Kid debacle.

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I've always preferred Simon Belmont to Snake. The only ptoblem is he doesn't have an iconic look, too many redesign.

Hector is a good choice for Fire Emblem. He's more of a heavy character. And he has about the same amount of starpower in FE as other lords.

Genesect is a good choice to represent generation V.

I think the DK roster should expand, rather than Zelda or Mario getting a fifth. But paper mario would be a fun clone add.

I dont think we will just get one retro, so you could have both Takamaru and Little Mac. Although Little Mac isnt a retro anymore.

I think he closed the door on Sukapon at the time so people would not expect him. I think they could revisit the character as a retro, but other retros are more likely due to the elevated presence Nintendo gives them.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Plus didn't Sakurai state that he wanted to reduce focus on adding Japan-only characters during pre-Brawl?

I don't recall that statement ever being made. If such a thing was made, the actual source explaining character inclusions might of been mangled to the point of including unrelated topics, or it's simply a rumor passed around by the worried and stupid. One thing for is if the statement was ever true, then he shot himself in the foot multiple times.

 

[Opossum]

I'm wondering if a certain Mega Man story-stealing pink Raymanian fighter robot that Oasis loves has more of a shot now.

After all:

-Sakurai denied Villager for a clear reason, then turned over a new leaf for Smash 4.
-Sukapon was among popular requests for Melee and supposedly Brawl (need verification).
-Unique in terms of design and style, something Sakurai looks for.
-According to Tri (who recently posted, lol), Sukapon was apparently planned for Melee. I have yet to see clear verification on this, but if this is true, then that's a big deal.

Sure, he was from a Japan-only retro title, but I really don't think that matters at this point.

Hehe...

Anyway, as far as Sukapon goes, I'd like to see him, although I still find him rather unlikely. I hope Sakurai changes his mind, though.

I've heard that the issue was "he was tough to program," but I'm calling bull on that one. All you'd need to do is make his "limbs" extremely thin, and give them an invisible texture and no hurtboxes. Not too complex.

 

[Deleted member]

So I looked up SamuraiPanda's translation and I found this:

#171-180: Now that Smash is world-renowned, they don't want to include characters only popular in Japan. However, due to the success of the Fire Emblem characters, they still may.

Turns out I got my quote wrong and that Sakurai hasn't really said anything about not wanting Japan-only characters, just trying to reduce focus on characters only popular in Japan, which isn't the same thing.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Speaking of which, is there a particular character that is really notably popular only in Japan?

 

[Morbi]

Speaking of which, is there a particular character that is really notably popular only in Japan?

I thought that title went to Takamaru.

 

[FalKoopa]

I thought that title went to Takamaru.

He said "ONLY in Japan"

 

[Morbi]

He said "ONLY in Japan"

I was under the impression that he was the protagonist of a Japan exclusive game.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I was under the impression that he was the protagonist of a Japan exclusive game.

I'm talking about something different from that.

 

[FalKoopa]

I was under the impression that he was the protagonist of a Japan exclusive game.

Yeah, but he was asking for character that is popular in Japan only, and disliked in the West.

Thinking about it, Tingle and Slippy Toad fulfill than criterion.

 

[mimgrim]

Then how about Chrom does replace Ike and Hector gets added? I just put Hector after Marth due to game timeline.

What do you mean by game timline? Do you mean by release timeline? Becuase I'm pretty sure that Hecto/Lyn/Eliwood/Roy takes place a different land from Marth.... Making that moot. Also Lyn and Roy will have a better chance then Hector making it in. However I really have doubts the if FE does have 3 reps that Ike will be replaced at all and that Chrom is the most likely to be in. If Ike gets cut I exspect there to only be 2 reps then.

Well, with Snake being less likely, I could still see Konami wanting to get a rep in so I felt that Simon was a reasonable inclusion. Also I'd take Simon over Pac-Man, but Pac-Man's chances are so high I couldn't not include him.

Just because Konami had a rep last game doesn't mean they will get it next game. And the reason Snake got in was because the creator of Snake, who is a good friend of Sakurai. prett much begged for Snake to get in. Which makes Snake a one time thing, making me wonder if Konami actually cares at all. 4 3rd parties jsut seem a bit to much... But if a 4th one does get in I would want it to be Alucard myself. xD

Well, the main point here is that Mario gets a 5th rep. I could totally see any of those making it in (King Boo being the least likely).

I don't know... I think he has as much of a chance as Jr... Plus he could rep Luigis Mansion.... Which could be a good thing.

With Zelda being one of the big 3 I think there's a high chance of there being 5 reps. But having two Ganondorfs? Idk, that seems strange to me >.<

It won't be 2 Ganondorfs it will be Ganondorf AND Ganon, notice the lack of dorf on the latter. Ganadorf is the humanoid one. Ganon is that upright boar... Having Ganon as a transformation of Ganondorf jsut seems like such a good idea.

I have a feeling that K. Rool might not make it in, and if he does he might end up as a Boss Battle. I don't really care about dixie to be honest, but if she makes it in, great.

DK is the 4th best selling franchis, so it getting a 3rd rep seems likely.

 

[jaytalks]

I think when it comes to retro character adds, popularity is much less important. The fact they are retro means they have a lot less exposure to the modern gaming market, so they are going to be added more for what their series is and what the characters bring to Smash.

 

[Morbi]

My Dream Roster
- Dr. Mario (Yes I seriously replaced Mario with Dr. Mario)
- Luigi
- Wario
- Peach
- Bowser
- Baby Bowser/Jr.
- Captain Falcon
- Black Shadow
- Donkey Kong
- Diddy Kong
- King K. Rool
- Yoshi
- Link
- Zelda/Impa (Yes I seriously replaced Sheik with Impa)
- Ganondorf
- Skull-Kid (Majora)
- Ghirahim (Yes I seriously added two LoZ villains that are only relevant in one game)
- Samus
- Ridley
- Kirby
- King Dedede
- Metaknight
- Sonic
- Olimar
- Ness
- Marth
- Lucina
- Fox
- Wolf
- Krystal
- Pikachu
- Mewtwo
- Jigglypuff
- Meowth
- Pit
- Palutena
- Magnus


This is a roster of 37. I have made some cuts to the primary roster. Here they are:
Mr. Game and Watch, Lucas, Roy, Pichu, Mario, Snake, Megaman, Pokemon Trainer, Lucario, Ice Climbers, R.O.B, Toon Link, Young Link, Sheik and Ike.
Reasons for cutting G&W, Ice Climbers, and ROB: They are retro and I don't like them.
Reasons for cutting Lucas, Roy, Pichu, Mario, Lucario, Toon Link, Young Link: They are all psudeo-clones with the exception of Lucario. However, Mewtwo is better in my opinion.
Reasons for cutting Ike, Lucario, and Sheik: Relevance omission.
Reasons for cutting PKMN Trainer: He takes too damn long to develop. Not only that but his presence is fallacious.
Reasons for cutting Snake and Megaman: I do not like third party characters. Sonic is an exception because of Nostalgia.
This isn't a troll list. It is my actual dream roster.

 

[FalKoopa]

Not sure why are you giving reasons for your choices when it's a dream roster.

 

[mimgrim]

This is a roster of 37. I have made some cuts to the primary roster. Here they are:
Mr. Game and Watch, Lucas, Roy, Pichu, Mario, Snake, Megaman, Pokemon Trainer, Lucario, Ice Climbers, R.O.B, Toon Link, Young Link, Sheik and Ike.
Reasons for cutting Lucas, Roy, Pichu, Mario, Lucario, Toon Link, Young Link: They are all psudeo-clones with the exception of Lucario. However, Mewtwo is better in my opinion.

I have made some cuts to the primary roster. Here they are: Mario

Excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me, but what!? Even for a dream roster.... Mario IS Nintendo. Nintendo wouldn't be Nintendo without Mario.......

Reasons for cutting Mario: psudeo-clone

I think Luigi falls under that better as Mario was basically the first, since Luigi has to be onlocked. And being the original makes it non clone. o_o


I really don't have any other problem with your dream roster as its a want list..... But Mario.... Is well Mario.... He is Nintendo, Nintendo is him. If it weren't for Mario Nintendo wouldn't have the glory it does today. I just can't believe a some wanting to cut Mario, even in a dream roster. O_O

 

[Morbi]

Excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me, but what!? Even for a dream roster.... Mario IS Nintendo. Nintendo wouldn't be Nintendo without Mario.......



I think Luigi falls under that better as Mario was basically the first, since Luigi has to be onlocked. And being the original makes it non clone. o_o


I really don't have any other problem with your dream roster as its a want list..... But Mario.... Is well Mario.... He is Nintendo, Nintendo is him. If it weren't for Mario Nintendo wouldn't have the glory it does today. I just can't believe a some wanting to cut Mario, even in a dream roster. O_O

Dr. Mario is way more swag. He pops a chill pill AFTER he takes shrooms. Not only that but his swanky scrub is far more spectacular than a pair of overalls. Mario's red cap is also too attention whoreish. So why do we need an Italian Plumber when we can have an Italian Doctor? Just what the Doctor ordered. Not only that but he has a pill for every occasion. Viagra for after he saves peach? Nintendo wouldn't be Nintendo with Donkey Kong, Mario is Jumpman as far as I am concerned. Luigi is way better than Mario too. WAY BETTER. So he isn't a pseudo-clone of Dr. Mario. Mario is. Luigi is WAY different. Erryday he be teaching kids how to wave-dash!

Pills here!

 

[mimgrim]

Dr. Mario is way more swag. He pops a chill pill AFTER he takes shrooms. Not only that but his swanky scrub is far more spectacular than a pair of overalls. Mario's red cap is also too attention *****ish. So why do we need an Italian Plumber when we can have an Italian Doctor? Just what the Doctor ordered. Not only that but he has a pill for every occasion. Viagra for after he saves peach? Nintendo wouldn't be Nintendo with Donkey Kong, Mario is Jumpman as far as I am concerned. Luigi is way better than Mario too. WAY BETTER. So he isn't a pseudo-clone of Dr. Mario. Mario is. Luigi is WAY different. Erryday he be teaching kids how to wave-dash!

Pills here!

I think I'm going to die of laughter now.... Like really I'm laughing so hard right now i think I'm gonna die. xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

 

[Silverjay323]

Idk if this has been brought up, but chances of Isaac from Golden Sun?

 

[BluePikmin11]

Decent chance.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I have no idea on what to make out with Isaac. I do have doubts about the character being included, and I'm not interested in the character much.

 

[AEMehr]

Villager's inclusion....
....benefits Balloon Fighter?

I'm sorry, but that was too funny that I had to focus on it.
If anything, Villager's inclusion hinders Balloon Fighter by taking his balloon jump technique.

(And before anyone counters with Villager using boxing gloves = problem to Little Mac, that's as absurd as the "too many swords" argument.)

EDIT: You just had to edit your post, SSBF.

I like to think that Villager is referencing the playable NES games from the original Animal Crossing with those balloon and boxing gloves. But it certainly does hurt Balloon Fighter more than it helps him. But if the Villager somehow obtains the Star Punch, we can say the same for Little Mac too.

That being said, Mac-baby is still in the game.

 

[Silverjay323]

Isaac would be a nice inclusion since alot of JRPGs aren't represented in Smash besides Fire Emblem. And more human characters I guess.

 

[papagenos]

Villager's inclusion....
....benefits Balloon Fighter?

I'm sorry, but that was too funny that I had to focus on it.
If anything, Villager's inclusion hinders Balloon Fighter by taking his balloon jump technique.

(And before anyone counters with Villager using boxing gloves = problem to Little Mac, that's as absurd as the "too many swords" argument.)

EDIT: You just had to edit your post, SSBF.

I can honestly see the balloons and the boxing gloves going either way... I think Mac has so much else going for him he's got the best chance out of any newcomer regardless of villager having a boxing move, but don't be so quick to decide what Villagers balloon move "means" as far as character inclusion.

Back in the brawl speculation days people were SO certain some piece of info ment a character for sure or this piece of info PROVED something and we all were wrong on most accounts.

Would not be surprised at ALL if balloon fighter got in and Sakurai was like "...yeah I hinted at him already, why so surprised?!" of course I could JUST as easily see him not in and Sakurai say well they gave balloon fighters "move" to villager, so spiritually he's in the game in that way or something.

What I'm saying is: Speculation is Speculation, it's fine to make assumptions and to make a strong argument for someones inclusion or dis-inclusion but do not think for a second that a piece of info that could go either way MUST go the way the community has decided it probably will go. This "balloon fighter out little mac in" consensus everyone has lately is a perfect example of literally the same piece of info (villager having a move another character could have) being spun in two opposite directions for two separate characters and it's taken as FACT at this point simply because of how the community decided to take it.

Again I believe Little Mac is far more likely than balloon fighter, i think Macs the MOST likely newcomer period. I just do not like the certainty people have about speculation which ends up blinding us to actual possibilities. I'm here to try and figure out who's in and who's out and balloon fighter is still possible, in fact I'd say he's in the fairly likely tier of possible newcomers.

 

[Xenigma]

Idk if this has been brought up, but chances of Isaac from Golden Sun?

General sentiment seems to be he has a good chance. He was recently featured on Rate Your Chance where users gave him a 50.24% chance; you can read what everyone thought here.

 

[papagenos]

General sentiment seems to be he has a good chance. He was recently featured on Rate Your Chance where users gave him a 50.24% chance; you can read what everyone thought here.

I think Isaac has a decent shot, I think the biggest factor helping Isaac is the fact he was an assist trophy and therefore already part of smash. Matters if assist trophies get a boost to playable, I've done some "mock" rosters where I favored assist trophies over other characters for newcomer spots in case that's the route Sakurai takes; something like Little Mac, Waluigi, Saki, and Isaac all becoming playable. I don't know why I just feel like there would be somewhat of a better chance for Isaac if a few of the assists become playable rather than just one.

I loved golden sun and he could have a really unique moveset so I'm definitely pushing for him.