Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[BluePikmin11]

If any of you guys played both S&P games in full (I only played the sequel, looked and played quite much better than it's predecessor from the S&P64 videos I saw), Which S&P was better?

 

[jaytalks]

Actually Isaac spoke several times....

If I remember correctly, who every is in the main role is a silent protagonist in the GS series. Isaac, Felix, and Matthew. I don't remember if you switch back to him from Felix by the end TLA, but yeah, I guess he did speak.

Nintendo hasn't been put in a position where it had to choose one rep between two different generations for unrepresented franchises (other than Ness and Ninten in the original). So we'll see what happens. But GS should get a rep, and if it's Isaac, it could be to represent the GBA generation.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Isaac spoke alot when it came to the beginning of Dark Dawn.
I hadn't completed Dark Dawn yet, and I started a new file to find all the Djinn I have been missing instead of continuing to go play the boss Talon Peak (He recovers too much, that I gave up).

 

[mimgrim]

Has it ever occurred to you that Roy WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN IN MELEE IF SAKURAI DIDN'T DECIDE TO ADD CLONES?!?

No seriously, do you even think before you make an argument?
If there weren't any clones, Marth would be the only Fire Emblem character in Melee. Rendering the "latest character" argument completely null and void.

Now we get to the insulting, yipee. Plus that argument of yours doesn't support your theory of Roy being added in later. For all you could know they planned to have Roy and planned to have him as a clone. And on top of that you are treating your theory as a fact when it isn't, theory =/= fact. You have no way of knowing for sure or not they added Roy as a last minuete thing he could have just as easily been planned from the get-go as a clone, or had been added as an advertisment for the next FE game to be released and due to that become a clone. Until you can actually prove with a link where Sakurai said so himself, I'm not conviced that was the full reason of Roy getting added. And don't bring the BS common sense argument you did earlier with the President as it can actually be proved that the current President of the USA is Obama, and to prove that point http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama http://www.biography.com/people/barack-obama-12782369 http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/president-obama/
and all of that is proof of him being the President of the USA thus making it more common sense then your theory which cannot be proven. However if you continue with the insults I probably won't end up replying to your post next time, so please keep that in mind.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Isaac also speaks a lot in Golden Sun: The Lost Age since he isn't the lead character anymore.

As for S&P, obviously S&P2 is gameplay wise a lot better. (But I didn't quite like the fact that you were constantly in the air as the S&P2 cast, I preferred Saki/Airan's jumping). Plus S&P2 has a lot better villains.

S&P2 is to me superior in every way...except leading role. :D I like Kachi and Airan almost equally, Kachi is a bit more "moe" while Airan was... I guess supposed to be on the slightly sexy side (dem trianglez)

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Now we get to the insulting, yipee. Plus that argument of yours doesn't support your theory of Roy being added in later. For all you could know they planned to have Roy and planned to have him as a clone. And on top of that you are treating your theory as a fact when it isn't, theory =/= fact. You have no way of knowing for sure or not they added Roy as a last minuete thing he could have just as easily been planned from the get-go as a clone, or had been added as an advertisment for the next FE game to be released and due to that become a clone. Until you can actually prove with a link where Sakurai said so himself, I'm not conviced that was the full reason of Roy getting added. And don't bring the BS common sense argument you did earlier with the President as it can actually be proved that the current President of the USA is Obama, and to prove that point http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama http://www.biography.com/people/bar...hitehouse.gov/administration/president-obama/
and all of that is proof of him being the President of the USA thus making it more common sense then your theory which cannot be proven. However if you continue with the insults I probably won't end up replying to your post next time, so please keep that in mind.

There have been several interviews dude.

Check the resources thread.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Maybe Sakurai had the goal of 35 characters all along, remember when Sakurai said in an SSB4 interview (I think it was) that he knows when to stop adding characters at a certain point. With that statement, I think Roy, Mewtwo, and the others (in that unused Brawl data) were left out to save space for that 35 character goal. (Technically 39, don't rant me a sentence about it please)

Isaac also speaks a lot in Golden Sun: The Lost Age since he isn't the lead character anymore.

As for S&P, obviously S&P2 is gameplay wise a lot better. (But I didn't quite like the fact that you were constantly in the air as the S&P2 cast, I preferred Saki/Airan's jumping). Plus S&P2 has a lot better villains.

S&P2 is to me superior in every way...except leading role. :D I like Kachi and Airan almost equally, Kachi is a bit more "moe" while Airan was... I guess supposed to be on the slightly sexy side (dem trianglez)

I really liked the gameplay S&P2, maybe it was because I played too much KI:U.
Maybe that was why I prefered Isa over Saki.

 

[mimgrim]

There have been several interviews dude.

Check the resources thread.

If he wants to prove me wrong then he needs to provide the actual link the will prove me wrong. I have no qualms with being wrong, as long as there is actual proof that I am wrong. And from the way he worded his arguments he made it sound like there weren't interviews of it anyway. But again it's his job to prove me wrong that Roy was added in last minuete by providing the link the proves it. I'm not going to go looking for it my self when I have no reason to. ._.

 

[FalKoopa]

He's not providing a link because it's common knowledge, atleast here.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

If he wants to prove me wrong then he needs to provide the actual link the will prove me wrong. I have no qualms with being wrong, as long as there is actual proof that I am wrong. And from the way he worded his arguments he made it sound like there weren't interviews of it anyway. But again it's his job to prove me wrong that Roy was added in last minuete by providing the link the proves it. I'm not going to go looking for it my self when I have no reason to. ._.

http://www.smashboards.com/threads/new-smash-bros-for-wiiu.304894/page-2675#post-14462546

Roy was a late addition like all clones.

He was one of the latest actually.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I don't want to get TOO (emotionally) involved in the MatthewXisaac debate, but if it were all about advertising... Shouldn't we have gotten the 4th gen Pokemon Trainer instead of the 1st gen one?

And notice Sakurai himself said that to inclide new pokemon character he goes over to the Pokemon company to ask "what's hot". If someting as generic as the Pokemon Trainer had plenty of "icon power" left, I don't see why Isaac wouldn't. (Despite of course the fact that Isaac and Matthew are pretty much the same, except name and fashion sense).

I don't either it's just an endless game of tennis, just shooting two equally good reasons back in forth. The only problem I'm facing that ISN'T agreeable is the reasons NOT to have Matthew/Issac.

http://www.smashboards.com/threads/new-smash-bros-for-wiiu.304894/page-2675#post-14462546

Roy was a late addition like all clones.

He was one of the latest actually.

Yeah, not ALL clones were late additions. I can't stand Clone Nazis discrediting the major importance of these characters JUST because they are clones. They even make up lies about them. (Not saying you are clone nazi.)

Off the subject of your post though, I Seriously can't STAND Clone-Nazis. They have no regard for the importance of these characters what-so-ever. Important characters that are relevant and now kind of essential to represent their series like Ganondorf, Falco, Lucas, and Toon Link are immediately shot down for NO other reason then being clones or semi-clones.


ALSO SORRY FOR THE DOUBLE POST

 

[TheTuninator]

And smash fans.

Smash fans have a say as well.

That's why Roy has a decent chance as far as the west in concerned.

Well, potentially. I remain unconvinced that popularity among Smash fans will do anything for Roy this time around, as it certainly didn't save him in Brawl.

Roy is an interesting case in that he's one of two cut characters who have massive demand for their return, but he has no real reason to appear if framed within the context of his series. I'll be curious to see how Sakurai handles him this time. A 3rd FE rep may give us some insight into Sakurai's thought process, as Roy is the most popular FE character among dedicated Smash fans but not among FE fans.

 

[mimgrim]

He's not providing a link because it's common knowledge, atleast here.

I'm still fairly new here. So what common knowledge for everyone here probably isn't for me.

http://www.smashboards.com/threads/new-smash-bros-for-wiiu.304894/page-2675#post-14462546

Roy was a late addition like all clones.

He was one of the latest actually.

And that was all he had to do, he didn't have to insult me or anything, just provide a link for me. Nonetheless, thank you for proving me wrong and allowing me to learn something new.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Yeah, not ALL clones were late additions.

In Melee, they kinda were. They only clone that wasn't added late was Luig and calling him a clone is kinda iffy.

In Brawl, Wolf and Toon Link were also added late. Luigi, Ganondorf, Falco and Lucas were added like normal characters though so...yeah you're right for Brawl. Debatable for Melee.

Regardless, I agree with you're point. Clone Nazi's need to take a chill pill.

Well, potentially. I remain unconvinced that popularity among Smash fans will do anything for Roy this time around, as it certainly didn't save him in Brawl.

When he and Mewtwo are the most wanted characters in Japan, then Sakurai will probably AT LEAST consider Roy. Besides, in Japan, Roy is an incredibly popular lord in FE as well.

And that was all he had to do, he didn't have to insult me or anything, just provide a link for me. Nonetheless, thank you for proving me wrong and allowing me to learn something new.

Eh. That's just Golden. He's kinda grouchy at times, but he's a good guy when it comes down to it.

He's just a bit cranky because we have a LOT of stupid people with stupid reasoning around right now. It's frustrating a lot of members here. Myself included.

EDIT: That awkward moment when you expect someone to post something while you're writing something and unintentionally double post.

GLARAHFDAKFNBAADSJGFLKW!

 

[TheTuninator]

Oh, Roy will be considered for inclusion for sure. I've never doubted that for a second.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I think people put too much stress on clones. They see one similar move and BAM, "THAT CHARACTER IS TEH CLONZIEST GET RID UH DAT SHIZ"

But by that logic, Luigi shares a Side B with Pikachu, Mario shares a similar Up Aerial with Ganondorf, Luigi, and Captain Falcon, Peach shares a Down A with Zelda, Samus shares an Up A tilt with Captain Falcon, etc..., so everyone is actually a clone.

There is more to each character besides their moves. This is a game about the History of Nintendo. Just because a character shares a few moves doesn't mean they were copy and pasted. Each character in the Brawl roster earned their spot. Notice that most of the clones in Melee were modified to some degree to differentiate themselves more from the original base character model. Really, if we take that into account, and each character is being rebuilt from the ground up, then it would't surprise me if several of them, besides the obvious Luigi and Ganondorf are included.

Take Falco and Wolf. They are both different from Fox, yet still are fairly similar. Simply change their specials around, and voila, you have a new character. The regular attacks have to be somewhat acceptable as they are really. There is only so much you can do with a body type like that.

The body type is exactly why Ganondorf was put into Melee. I don't have the source (because I'm too damn lazy) but basically Ganondorf only got in because he had a similar build to Falcon. Basically all you do to Ganondorf is give him some different special attacks, and there you go. Totally different character.

I really think that people are nit picking a little bit when it comes to characters. If they are important to their franchise, I find it real hard to believe that they would be cut for such arbitrary reasons.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Oh, Roy will be considered for inclusion for sure. I've never doubted that for a second.

Really it's just a Roy vs Chrom debate when it comes to a third FE spot.

Both stand on equal ground. I just personally think that Roy should be prioritized because of his veteran status and fan demand.

That's all assuming Marth and Ike stay, which I think they will.

 

[TheTuninator]

Honestly, while I want him decloned more, I prefer Ganon using his fists. His magic fist moveset feels far more brutal and powerful than a sword would.

Really it's just a Roy vs Chrom debate when it comes to a third FE spot.

Both stand on equal ground. I just personally think that Roy should be prioritized because of his veteran status and fan demand.

That's all assuming Marth and Ike stay, which I think they will.

Marth is in for sure. Ike won't be cut for Roy, and certainly is not a likely candidate for replacement even if Sakurai considers an Awakening rep. He could be cut, but I don't think that he'd go easily.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Eh. That's just Golden. He's kinda grouchy at times, but he's a good guy when it comes down to it.

He's just a bit cranky because we have a LOT of stupid people with stupid reasoning around right now. It's frustrating a lot of members here. Myself included.

This. Some recent users, (not all. Most are honestly acceptable) are coming up with these dumb reasons, either because they already know that the bigger reasons (such as the "too big" argument) have been shot down.

It's incredibly annoying when somebody gives reasons that are absolutely garbage and can be immediately shot down, but then they just start being stubborn and create more nonsense

 

[kikaru]

but then they just start being stubborn and create more nonsense

Oh, but whatever do you mean? I don't think I can name anyone who's like that..........................

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Ridley too scary for smash....

My ass.

We have this thing for crying out loud.

 

[Curious Villager]

Speaking of which. I wonder if Bowser will keep the Giga Bowser Final Smash... And if Giga Bowser stays, will he also stand more upright and work like they did for Bowser now?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Ganondorf is WAY cooler fighting with his fists. See here is the thing I LIKE clones. I think they are cool.

Also the whole Mewtwo & Roy coming back. Mewtwo is DEFINITELY coming back. Sakurai has hinted at it quite an awful lot. Plus Mewtwo isn't just a Pok'emon. He is a CHARACTER in the series, like Prof. Oak or Giovanna. He is probably the most requested character of all time.

As for Roy, not having THIS:

as a playable character would be INCREDIBLY dissapointing. This new reboot of Roy only makes him 100 times more wanted than ever before.

 

[mimgrim]

This. Some recent users, (not all. Most are honestly acceptable) are coming up with these dumb reasons, either because they already know that the bigger reasons (such as the "too big" argument) have been shot down.

It's incredibly annoying when somebody gives reasons that are absolutely garbage and can be immediately shot down, but then they just start being stubborn and create more nonsense

I wasn't trying to actually create a dumb reason, I honestly didn't know about that stuff with Melee. And I admitted I was wrongwhen I was provided with that link. I didn't mean to create trouble. D:

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I wasn't trying to actually create a dumb reason, I honestly didn't know about that stuff with Melee. And I admitted I was wrongwhen I was provided with that link. I didn't mean to create trouble. D:

Don't worry. I wasn't referring to you .

There are users far worse than you anyway lol.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I wasn't trying to actually create a dumb reason, I honestly didn't know about that stuff with Melee. And I admitted I was wrongwhen I was provided with that link. I didn't mean to create trouble. D:

Oh no. We weren't talking about you.

You seem relatively reasonable.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

This. Some recent users, (not all. Most are honestly acceptable) are coming up with these dumb reasons, either because they already know that the bigger reasons (such as the "too big" argument) have been shot down.

It's incredibly annoying when somebody gives reasons that are absolutely garbage and can be immediately shot down, but then they just start being stubborn and create more nonsense

Like the Skyward Zelda discussion. That was just ***.
Or Dr. Mario being his own series.
and Ike being a F***ing clone of Marth?????????

 

[Gingerbread Man]

Ganondorf is WAY cooler fighting with his fists. See here is the thing I LIKE clones. I think they are cool.

Also the whole Mewtwo & Roy coming back. Mewtwo is DEFINITELY coming back. Sakurai has hinted at it quite an awful lot. Plus Mewtwo isn't just a Pok'emon. He is a CHARACTER in the series, like Prof. Oak or Giovanna. He is probably the most requested character of all time.

As for Roy, not having THIS:

as a playable character would be INCREDIBLY dissapointing. This new reboot of Roy only makes him 100 times more wanted than ever before.

Awakening DLC isn't so much a reboot as it is a spin off. I say if you're going to add Roy, at least be loyal to FE6. That design is half credited to the awakening mercenary concept.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Like the Skyward Zelda discussion. That was just ***.
Or Dr. Mario being his own series.
and Ike being a F***ing clone of Marth?????????

Moreso the Ike clone BS. That is a perfect example of ignorance or flat out trolling. It doesn't take a genius to realize that they aren't clones.

That's why I included that reference to the fact that if a character shares ONE move with another character, they're a clone? Nonsense.

That would mean more than half the roster is a clone of another character.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Awakening DLC isn't so much a reboot as it is a spin off. I say if you're going to add Roy, at least be loyal to FE6. That design is half credited to the awakening mercenary concept.

I cannot agree to using the design of the original Binding Blade game than that bad*** design. That design of Roy....................may be the coolest looking person I have EVER seen.

 

[kikaru]

Game of Clones?

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Ganondorf is WAY cooler fighting with his fists. See here is the thing I LIKE clones. I think they are cool.

I would have liked that post if it honestly wasn't for that first statement.

I mean, you like clones? The idea of having two extremely similar characters is more favorable to you than two different ones? The sign of a lack of effort to make a character unique is more interesting to you than an individual moveset? Of all the things I've heard people say about Smash Bros., liking it when a character is a clone is by far the most bizarre.

I bet you lay there at night wishing Jigglypuff was more like Kirby.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I would have liked that post if it honestly wasn't for that first statement.

I mean, you like clones? The idea of having two extremely similar characters is more favorable to you than two different ones? The sign of a lack of effort to make a character unique is more interesting to you than an individual moveset? Of all the things I've heard people say about Smash Bros., liking it when a character is a clone is by far the most bizarre.

I bet you lay there at night wishing Jigglypuff was more like Kirby.

Woah dude.

Calm down.

No need to start anything.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Sorry, I was just looking for shenanigans.

I just find the pro-clone regimen to be silly is all.

That is to say, I don't hate clones, but it would certainly make more sense to Luigify one if possible.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

What is the problem with clones anyway????

People INSIST Sakurai will remove Falco, Ganondorf, and Lucas/Ness because they are "Clones"

Okay, if Sakurai doesn't want clones/semi-clones, WHY DOES HE ALWAYS MAKE SEMI-CLONES.

For those of you Clone Nazis with no intelligence left, Clones/Semi-Clones are a TRADITION

SSB64:

SSBM:

SSBB:

Yeah, Falco is DEFINITELY going to be replaced with Krystal because he is a clone.




IT'S NOT LIKE SAKURAI WANTED SEMI-CLONES

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Okay I'm gonna say some stuff right now:

Game of Clones?

You win. Not just for the reference but your avatar is awesome and Baccano! is an awesome anime/show.

Anyways, a lot of the time people actually get facts wrong (I.E. the debate on whether Sukapon was really planned since Smash 64) is usually not because of people making things up in their favor but literally because they didn't know or some other way of info. There's been misinformation about ALL three games along with a lot said now that the lease is out. Some people who worked on the game say ___ while others say ___. It's a big mess.

Am I the only one who actually thinks Ganon's A moves work? Retool the B ones and he's fine.

Anything else?

 

[mimgrim]

Moreso the Ike clone BS. That is a perfect example of ignorance or flat out trolling. It doesn't take a genius to realize that they aren't clones.

That's why I included that reference to the fact that if a character shares ONE move with another character, they're a clone? Nonsense.

That would mean more than half the roster is a clone of another character.

I feel that way with most of the characters claimed to be clones. Like the Starfox trio in Brawl. so many people claim Falco and wolf to be clones of Fox, moreso with Wolf but still even calling Falco a semi-clone is being a bit generous. First of all they all play differently, Fox is most about combos, Falco seems to be chain grabs and getting people off the stage to spike them, and Wolf is all about spacing. Not to mention all their differences in attacks. While for Specials the only thing Wolf has in common is the reflector and names of the specials, but the rest have different animantions, work differently, or both. for Falco he has a bit more in common but his blaster and reflector still work differently making it to where even calling him a semi-clone is being considerably generous. At least to me.

Lucas and Ness, again their attacks are conisderably different and their specials have enough differences to where it becomes that even calling Lucas a semi-clone is again being generous. Lucas neutral special can freeze the opponent and is ice based, Ness' isnt. Lucas side special is a like a explosion of flame instead of a pillar. Lucas down special doesn't protect his back while Ness' does (or is it the other way around?). So again I don't see the clone thing there either.

The only character I consider a clon in Brawl is Ganondorf. And that is because he can have such a different moveset from Falcon. Heck let him Special down in Ganon and it will make him unique enough in my book.

So I never really understood the whole clone thing in Brawl, aside from Ganondorf. :/

Edit - Oh and Toon Link I forgot about Toon Link. I also consider him a clone, I can't even remember him havign different attacks from Link. But he is suppose to be a younger version of Link. So I don't mind him being a fast yet weaker clone of the older Link.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

What is the problem with clones anyway????

In Melee, if I wanted to play with Pikachu's moveset, I would play as Pikachu, not Pichu. Same with Dr. Mario. Same with Falco.

People INSIST Sakurai will remove Falco, Ganondorf, and Lucas/Ness because they are "Clones"

I think I can vouch for the both of us when I say those people just want to watch the world burn.

Okay, if Sakurai doesn't want clones/semi-clones, WHY DOES HE ALWAYS MAKE SEMI-CLONES.

He wants to add a character, but there isn't enough time to develop and balance a unique moveset. Because of time constraints, the only choices left become either dropping them entirely or making them a slight tweak from someone else's moveset. Hence, clones are born out as a lesser-evil, not greater-good.

For those of you Clone Nazis with no intelligence left, Clones/Semi-Clones are a TRADITION

Ah, tradition. One of the most popular buzzwords used by those that refuse to give up nostalgia. The antithesis of change and the unwillingness to experiment. Primarily said to justify having more of the same of something despite it not adding to the core of a game, regardless of how little it actually serves purpose in a game. This isn't much of an argument if "tradition" is seriously what you're going to rely on as a legitimate point now.

Yeah, Falco is DEFINITELY going to be replaced with Krystal because he is a clone.

Oh, definitely.

That's my sarcastic way of saying I completely agree with your point that he won't be.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

In Melee, if I wanted to play with Pikachu's moveset, I would play as Pikachu, not Pichu. Same with Dr. Mario. Same with Falco.

Clone Nazi talk.

He wants to add a character, but there isn't enough time to develop and balance a unique moveset. Because of time constraints, the only choices left become either dropping them entirely or making them a slight tweak from someone else's moveset. Hence, clones are born out as a lesser-evil, not greater-good.

Yes, Robert. I'm sure that's a totally understandable reason. Once again you deny any GOOD reason for there to be clone characters. DO YOU HAVE A SOURCE FOR THIS!?!?!?
If sakurai decides to do something you don't like, then there HAS to be a bad excuse for it. See Sakurai didn't REALLY want R.O.B. because he was a really important part of Nintendo's history, he just ran out of ideas. And to think I thought R.O.B. had some sort of relevance, oh me and my RIDICOLOUS ideas.

If it's an idea you don't like, It was because of time constraints.

Ah, tradition. One of the most popular buzzwords used by those that refuse to give up nostalgia. The antithesis of change and the unwillingness to experiment. Primarily said to justify having more of the same of something despite it not adding to the core of a game, regardless of how little it actually serves purpose in a game. This isn't much of an argument if "tradition" is seriously what you're going to rely on as a legitimate point now.

So now you're implying Sakurai has no intention to add semi-clones in the next game. Yep having Semi-clones isn't sakurai thought was a good idea. He just ALWAYS has semi-clones because he lacks creativity. You see he-............................I'm sorry I have to stop a moment and laugh before I continue this

Okay I'm back. So the fact that Sakurai always has Semi-clones is no longer relevant because GodRobert'sCousin deemed it as such. I guess it's just a coincidence then. Traditionally, some franchises get more characters. But that's not legitimate either I guess. It was just a coincidence.

Oh, definitely.

That's my sarcastic way of saying I completely agree with your point that he won't be.

Yes, Falco (one of the most famous and loved Star Fox characters and Smash characters of all time.) will be replaced by KRYSTAL! Because Falco's Forward 'B' move is the same. Guess Luigi will be replaced with Toad as well because He shares some of Mario's moves. Yeah, if Falco was to be replaced because of similar moves, the time he took to program Wolf would have been used to replace Falco with Krystal instead had it been that important (Which it's not.)

Thank you Robert, you have shown us the perfect example of what we were all talking about.

Subject A: People come up with the most ridiculous garbage just to prove their point out of desperation.

Example A: Robert comes spurting a bunch of BS that Sakurai ONLY made semi-clones because of time constraints

Subject B: We hate when Clone Nazi's shoot down loveable characters, and do not for an instant even consider their relevance, importance, or popularity only because of them having slightly different moves

Example B: Robert does just that.

May god have mercy on your soul.

I would have liked that post if it honestly wasn't for that first statement.

I mean, you like clones? The idea of having two extremely similar characters is more favorable to you than two different ones? The sign of a lack of effort to make a character unique is more interesting to you than an individual moveset? Of all the things I've heard people say about Smash Bros., liking it when a character is a clone is by far the most bizarre.

I bet you lay there at night wishing Jigglypuff was more like Kirby.

What talk about total douche bag. I guess you are a new level of Clone-Nazi. Instead of insisting clones not be in SSB you go around trolling people because they like semi-clones. I don't follow you around b****ing that you want Ridley to be in SSB, why? Because I don't care what you LIKE or WANT. A person can't like a character having similar moves, but with a unique twist? What is your problem.

Also AGAIN you have put words in peoples mouth. You are honestly BEGGING to start arguments if you try to create things to argue about that people never said. You said I prefer a character be exactly the same rather than having a different character. Do you have psychosis or something. Are you seeing things that aren't there. This is like, what? the 5th time you tried to argue about stuff I didn't say.

Remember when you kept spamming me with messages saying I implied "Thinking that a character will get in" and "Predicting a character" are two different things, when all I did was make both statements rather than actually saying that I think a character will get in and that I DON'T predict them? That is proof you will do whatever it takes to find SOMEbody to argue with, no matter what the argument is about.

What you have posted is literally just a troll comment. You are begging for something to argue about. Do us all a favor and just go away. I wasn't going to put you on ignore for expressing your side of a debate. But, now I am definitely putting you on ignore because you have shown that your main goal is to simply disagree with whatever you can and criticize people for thinking something that is totally understandable in every respect only because you don't want to accept it.

And you even go on to claim that Sakurai having a character like Falco, Wolf, or Young Link, is just being lazy. There you go being a freaking clone nazi again.

If I like the idea of having a similar character, but with a twist added to it and think that's creative then that's not your ****ing problem. And if that is a problem for you, than that's just sad.

I have no respect for you as a speculator, a discusser, or even an expression of your own opinions anymore. You cannot stand not having everyone think the way you do and exactly as you do. You sir, define troll. I am officially blocking you.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Noah, calm down.

I said that prefer non-clones over clones if we're given the choice. I just found the idea that wanting a clone from the start over wanting a unique character to be strange. No need to go psychosis yourself.

Sorry if I hit a nerve.