Because when I called her a one-time protagonist you posted that in attempt to prove me wrong.
Because it's a background aesthetic in one level in the Japanese version of a game that bombed.
Let's not play dumb here.
Muh Popularity! Muh Requests! Muh commercial reception!
Yup. Bowser, Peach, Marth, Mewtwo, Ganondorf, Pit, Sonic, and Mega Man have all been stated to have been included due to at least the first two of those three. And the third lends to the first two.
And those are just the ones we've been told about.
You people are hopeless. Everything is charts with you. You really think that after Wii Fit Trainer and Rosalina that requests and reception is the sole factor of inclusion and **** everything else? Jesus! Take a hint.
Requests playing a role in inclusion =/= requests being the sole factor in inclusion.
Do you just take what you want from what people say?
So Chibi-Robo is more iconic than Balloon Fighter?
Maybe if Balloon Fighter only played a notable role in 1/8 of the games in his series.
Why do you think Sakurai added Wii Fit Trainer? Because she was an iconic character or because Wii Fit was an iconic game, which (like Lip) had a semi-iconic character?
Thus if we are concluding Wii Fit Trainer's game factored in her inclusion, you're basis that Lip only appearing twice in 9 of her games isn't really valid. People still know who Lip is. She has quite some popularity in Smash requests to (since you think that is the center of criteria.). and even if it's less than Issac (which doesn't matter if it's less considering we have Rosalina and Wii Fit Trainer), she's made appearances and references in other Nintendo games too. Nintendo AND Sakurai recognize her. Issac had 3 games and an Assist Trophy. This is disproportionate to Lip combined with her franchise.
It's pretty funny you think Wii Fit and Panel de Pon are even close to each other.
Yeah, having multiple games in the series helps, sure. But this isn't a big series in terms of reception, no matter how you want to look at it. And purely games in a series doesn't amount to inclusion. Look at Wars. Puzzle League could have like double the games it does now, but if they're met with minimal attention, it's not going to matter a whole bunch more. A little, yeah sure, but impact is still pretty important, and Lip's series has left... not a huge one. Other than being something Nintendo rebrands or sticks with Mario when they actually want it to do well.
And as far as Smash candidates go, very
very few people know Lip when compared to most other characters. People know her on the internet, sure, do you think that's going to translate to outside of here? At least Marth and Lucas had large fanbases in Japan. Lip doesn't. She doesn't have any large amounts of popularity. At least Takamaru has appeared in some high-profile games as of late (sort of), has actual popularity (it does matter - Sakurai used it as reasoning for Pit), and was stated specifically as a character with a possible future in Smash by Sakurai.
Also, Smash 4 isn't when we started getting unexpected characters. It isn't even close. If popularity didn't matter, Sakurai wouldn't still use it as reasoning for character inclusion. Just because not every inclusion will be due to popularity doesn't mean it is unimportant.
By your logic all that 8-game series Lip is part of amounted to is an item. Just an item. For eight games. Now that's disproportionate.
Though Clu Clu Land also got an item. So let's not pretend it actually matters.
That's a funny way to mispronouncing 8
Yeah, how many of the games in her series that released worldwide feature her in the international version? Indulge me.
Or maybe just read more carefully next time. I was talking about the character, not the series.
This selective reading of yours really isn't helping prove your point, even if you think it is.
Stop acting like there is only one area of criteria for each character.
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By themselves those factors aren't horrible if there are other redeeming qualities, but together they don't paint the best picture.
Read closer.