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I guess people just want to be stalked by a hot psychopath with boingy bits. :p

But in all seriousness, I hafta agree with the people that there will most likely be only 2 FE characters in the next SSB, despite my love for the FE games and it being my 2nd fave games altogether basically, but it jsut sems like there is going to be a pattern here of Marth + newest FE lord rep where Marth repesents all of FE (although it would be nice if they could put Anna alongside Marth to repesent all of FE, but I doubt it's gonna happen) and the newest FE lord repesents the newest game in there series. But I will alwas welcome more FE reps simply cause FE is da bestes, kinda like how I will always welcome more furries to xD.
 
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Guys. He's obviously talking about Quiche.
 
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Sorry if this isn't the correct place but I'm not sure where to look for this information. (If it exists ;p) Has it been said anywhere about when the characters and other updates will start to be revealed on the smash bros site? I remember them being somewhat weekly during Brawl. I don't remember how long it took for that to start from the first trailer though
 
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Shadow312 said:
Sorry if this isn't the correct place but I'm not sure where to look for this information. (If it exists ;p) Has it been said anywhere about when the characters and other updates will start to be revealed on the smash bros site? I remember them being somewhat weekly during Brawl. I don't remember how long it took for that to start from the first trailer though
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No it hasn't been announced. He did announce that he isn't going to be talking AS much. So I wouldn't hold your breath. :b:
 
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well here's my thing on Lucario. people wanted Lucario for Brawl. he was requested because he was popular to Pokemon in general. Did the movie help that? No doubt. without question that totally assisted in making him popular. The real question is, Are there any Pokemon from B/W who are a suitable replacement?imo not really. there are plenty of feasible Pokemon sure but none were nearly as popular. Zoroark is probably the best bet but i just dont see it happening personally. While still a relatively popular pokemon, probably one of the most well recieved of his gen, easily usurped by Lucario. and hell they even used Lucario to advertise B2/W2 and Lucario's still seen in the anime quite regularly. so its not as if he became less relevant as far as 5th gen is concerned. meanwhile Mewtwo is generally agreed upon to be the best choice as a rep for gen 6 and its not like adding Mewtwo means Lucario cant stay. if the question is that Pokemon can only have 4 slots, then sure Lucario can probably go in exchange for Mewtwo. but because Pokemon is such a huge series that has literally hundreds of viable candidates with the only real "Essential" character being Pikachu it would be understandable if they had more playable characters than other series.
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Well I'd say that Pikachu, Jiggs, and PKMN Trainer are all "essential" Poke reps now anyways. Trainer has been in games since day 1, and every game since. Jiggs is only essential to Smash because she's a classic Smash character, not Pokemon character. It's almost like Falcon, he's almost become synonymous with Smash, and I think Jiggs has as well. I'm really just saying at this point, Pokemon has a ton of genwunner love when it comes to playables, therefore a new, fresh, next-gen guy always comes around as one of the slots. Pokemon has 3 classic reps that won't ever be axed, with a 4th one being the new "hot" character to appeal to the newer Pokemon gens.

And Volbound Mewtwo wasn't cut for his lackluster moveset, he was cut in favor of a more recent Pokemon rep in Lucario. They had all these old Pokemon reps and ran out of time. It was either add in an old, genwunner Mewtwo, or give the new gen some love with Lucario. His moveset wasn't very imaginative either. A generic counter Down-B that FE characters use, a very similar neutral-B to Mewtwo, and a similar Up-B to, once again, Mewtwo.

Lucario is popular, yes, but I just think he was added for recency, and thus will be cut for another more recent rep.
 
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Bajef8 said:
Well I'd say that Pikachu, Jiggs, and PKMN Trainer are all "essential" Poke reps now anyways. Trainer has been in games since day 1, and every game since. Jiggs is only essential to Smash because she's a classic Smash character, not Pokemon character. It's almost like Falcon, he's almost become synonymous with Smash, and I think Jiggs has as well. I'm really just saying at this point, Pokemon has a ton of genwunner love when it comes to playables, therefore a new, fresh, next-gen guy always comes around as one of the slots. Pokemon has 3 classic reps that won't ever be axed, with a 4th one being the new "hot" character to appeal to the newer Pokemon gens.

And Volbound Mewtwo wasn't cut for his lackluster moveset, he was cut in favor of a more recent Pokemon rep in Lucario. They had all these old Pokemon reps and ran out of time. It was either add in an old, genwunner Mewtwo, or give the new gen some love with Lucario. His moveset wasn't very imaginative either. A generic counter Down-B that FE characters use, a very similar neutral-B to Mewtwo, and a similar Up-B to, once again, Mewtwo.

Lucario is popular, yes, but I just think he was added for recency, and thus will be cut for another more recent rep.
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I don't agree with Pokemon Trainer at all. Not only is it a lot of hard work. You need to do double the balancing just to differentiate the 3 Pokemon... but you are adding 3 Pokemon to balance in the entire roster. Not to mention they have to make 4 models for one character. He is probably pretty hard to develop. He has no significance in any Smash except for Brawl. I mean calling him an essential representative is quite ridiculous. I am beyond surprised they managed to make it work. I would hate to be the guy trying to balance him in the game. Sakurai already said adding a character is like multiplying a character because of all of the re-balancing that needs to be done. Ivysaur has no significance in Pokemon. Squirtle is only in because of the Anime. They didn't even give him his sunglasses either. So that is a negative. Charizard is really the only worthy one on the team. I mean they didn't even name Pokemon Trainer "Red". If his name was Red I would feel like he is more important to the series. But by naming him Pokemon Trainer he just feels generic. I would much rather have Mewtwo. He was had significance in 3 Pokemon Movies and a short Special. That is just my opinion though. I would much rather they take the time to develop 3 characters people want than Pokemon Trainer. Or I would rather that they put that effort into making Ridley playable.
 
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I guess people just want to be stalked by a hot psychopath with boingy bits. :p

But in all seriousness, I hafta agree with the people that there will most likely be only 2 FE characters in the next SSB, despite my love for the FE games and it being my 2nd fave games altogether basically, but it jsut sems like there is going to be a pattern here of Marth + newest FE lord rep where Marth repesents all of FE (although it would be nice if they could put Anna alongside Marth to repesent all of FE, but I doubt it's gonna happen) and the newest FE lord repesents the newest game in there series. But I will alwas welcome more FE reps simply cause FE is da bestes, kinda like how I will always welcome more furries to xD.
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Two games don't make a pattern and Roy was planned to be in SSBB, so Sakurai doesn't have any intentions of Fire Emblem just having the first lord and the latest lord. Chrom isn't even a shoe-in.
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And Volbound Mewtwo wasn't cut for his lackluster moveset, he was cut in favor of a more recent Pokemon rep in Lucario. They had all these old Pokemon reps and ran out of time. It was either add in an old, genwunner Mewtwo, or give the new gen some love with Lucario. His moveset wasn't very imaginative either. A generic counter Down-B that FE characters use, a very similar neutral-B to Mewtwo, and a similar Up-B to, once again, Mewtwo.

Lucario is popular, yes, but I just think he was added for recency, and thus will be cut for another more recent rep.
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Lucario did not replace Mewtwo. There is a theory that Sonic was added so late that he ended up costing Mewtwo and Roy their spot. Also, remember that Jigglypuff was also under the danger of the knife. It's more likely that Jigglypuff got in over Mewtwo due to being easier to work with.

And I also highly doubt Lucario was just added for recentness; especially when Lucario like everyone else had to meet Sakurai's four criteria.
 
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Pokémon Trainer was probably the most unique addition to the cast in Brawl. Sure, they slapped the unnecessary stamina mechanic and the balance was bad, but he was pretty well received as a character. Charizard trumps both Mewtwo AND Pikachu in popularity while Squirtle also has a decent fanbase. Ivysaur seemed like a random pick, but he treading the middle ground between the light and fast Squirtle, and the slow and powerful Charizard.
 
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Can we leave space for other characters please?
This is why it floods the roster for only few other good major additions.
We'll end up reaching to the fifties which overflow to me.
To me I think all the additions in Brawl for other big big franchises are enough, (Metroid and KI definitely new reps though)
 
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Two games don't make a pattern and Roy was planned to be in SSBB, so Sakurai doesn't have any intentions of Fire Emblem just having the first lord and the latest lord. Chrom isn't even a shoe-in.
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I didn't say there wa sa pattern there, I said it seems like there is going to be a pattern there (i.e. a chance of a pattern happening). And if I'm not mistaken just because their is data of Roy in there doesn't mean he was planned as, if I'm not mistaken, Brawl when first showed was using the Melee engine so it could have jsut been left over Melee data. So as far as I know there is no way to know for syure if he was planned or was jsut left overs, as it could be either. Technically aside from the characters shown no character is a shoe-in into the game, but of a new FE rep he has the best chance. FEA is not only the newest FE game but was also very highly succesful and saved FE altoghether, as the was a good chance FEA was going to be the last FE game but it's sales allowed it to keep on going. Chrom is the lord and main character of FEA making him have the highest chance to get in. Sure Robin and Lucina might have a decent chance but not as good as Chrom.
 
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Two games don't make a pattern and Roy was planned to be in SSBB, so Sakurai doesn't have any intentions of Fire Emblem just having the first lord and the latest lord. Chrom isn't even a shoe-in.Lucario did not replace Mewtwo. There is a theory that Sonic was added so late that he ended up costing Mewtwo and Roy their spot. Also, remember that Jigglypuff was also under the danger of the knife. It's more likely that Jigglypuff got in over Mewtwo due to being easier to work with.

And I also highly doubt Lucario was just added for recentness; especially when Lucario like everyone else had to meet Sakurai's four criteria.
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You misunderstand me, and that theory is, in fact, a theory. Why would Sonic cost Mewtwo his spot over Lucario? Clearly he didn't want any series to have over 4 reps (not counting transformations). It's logical to assume Lucario got in over Mewtwo, due to recentness especially when he stated in a recent interview he doesn't personally pick Pokemon character on criteria, he asks Pokemon Company about who to add. As in, he asks Pokemon Company who the new hot character is. Besides this is just a theory, just as you have yours. Nothing is concrete, I'm just trying to provide you with my thought process. So don't deal in absolutes, esepcially by saying Lucario did not replace Mewtwo. Are you Sakurai?

Morbid, I have no idea what you disagree with. You went off into too many tangents. However saying PKMN Trainer isn't an essential Pokemon character is completely stupid seeing as the trainer has been in each game -_-. Trainer is literally THE character you play as. Kind of a big deal. Naming him Red would take away from the player avatar Sakurai wanted to represent, but the 3 Pokemon he fights with are a nod to Red/Ash whoever you see the Trainer as.
 
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You misunderstand me, and that theory is, in fact, a theory. Why would Sonic cost Mewtwo his spot over Lucario? Clearly he didn't want any series to have over 4 reps (not counting transformations). It's logical to assume Lucario got in over Mewtwo, due to recentness especially when he stated in a recent interview he doesn't personally pick Pokemon character on criteria, he asks Pokemon Company about who to add. As in, he asks Pokemon Company who the new hot character is. Besides this is just a theory, just as you have yours. Nothing is concrete, I'm just trying to provide you with my thought process. So don't deal in absolutes, esepcially by saying Lucario did not replace Mewtwo. Are you Sakurai?

Morbid, I have no idea what you disagree with. You went off into too many tangents. However saying PKMN Trainer isn't an essential Pokemon character is completely stupid seeing as the trainer has been in each game -_-. Trainer is literally THE character you play as. Kind of a big deal. Naming him Red would take away from the player avatar Sakurai wanted to represent, but the 3 Pokemon he fights with are a nod to Red/Ash whoever you see the Trainer as.
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Red is the one in the Manga. It is his default name. I don't think he is essential because the balance is ridiculously hard in several different ways. They could be spending that time to develop other "essential" characters. If he was essential he would be in Melee... like Mewtwo. The first generation has been done and over with for a decade. Time to move on. The reason I went on so many tangents was because there are so many reasons not to have him as a character. I mean I don't even see a single reason as to why he is an essential character. There is literally nothing besides Charizard. He isn't worth a slot though.

I reread your post. You are A trainer in each game. Not Pokemon Trainer. He is CLEARLY based off of Red/Blue (the games). You do know that in each game we get to pick whether or not we are a female or male. (counting reboot). That means that there are about a dozen trainers to pick from. The one Sakurai chose is in no way "essential".

You are essentially saying that we should name Link... "Player". That is BS.
 
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Bajef8 said:
You misunderstand me, and that theory is, in fact, a theory. Why would Sonic cost Mewtwo his spot over Lucario? Clearly he didn't want any series to have over 4 reps (not counting transformations).
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the theory is that because Sonic was added so late into development that Mewtwo, as well as other possible members of the forbidden 7, had to have their development halted in order to make Sonic from the ground up.
 
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