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Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

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FalKoopa

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It's funny that Waluigi has had more appearances in Smash than Toad or Bowser Jr. Of course, it is partly because they became much more frequent after Brawl, but still.
 

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It's funny that Waluigi has had more appearances in Smash than Toad or Bowser Jr. Of course, it is partly because they became much more frequent after Brawl, but still.
Toad:

Melee: Background character in Adventure Mode and Peach's Neutral B.
Brawl: Peach's Neutral B.
Smash 4: Peach's Neutral B.

Waluigi:

Brawl: Assist trophy

Je ne comprais pas.
 

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I don't know about us getting more Mario charscter's seems a bit unlikkely.
It's not.

Just remember people, there isn't a bias in play here. There is a drive to make sure not to over saturate the roster with too much of a certain series. This is why we shouldn't expect a lot of Mario characters or Pokemon characters to be added, instead we should try to be as fair as possible.
 

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5 Mario and Pokemon "slots," 4 Zelda and DK "slots."

I see nothing wrong with this.

In before LOL IMPA!!!
 

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The difference being, you haven't convinced yourself for the second game in a row that Tetra will replace your least favorite character because of reasons.
Sheik is irrelevant. Let's replace her with an older, realistic styled Tetra.
 

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What would your reaction be if Tiki Tong was a boss in SSB4, and there were no references to K. Rool in the game whatsoever?

Pure rage. :D K Rool, and to a much lesser extent Dixie, is the only thing left that will complete the DK roster. Overlooking K Rool would be a huge mistake for this installment (at least thats the way I feel.)
 

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The difference being, you haven't convinced yourself for the second game in a row that Tetra will replace your least favorite character because of reasons.
In Brawl, I just wanted Sheik gone, and have a new Zelda character, not so much Sheik being replaced though.
 

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People refuse to see my point because apperantly 'veterans are holy' or some ****.
Time will tell if I'm wrong, but I think Sheik is special since she IS tied to Zelda, who is a more immortal character. My guess is that, unless they see a pressing need to change or eliminate Zelda's ability to turn into Sheik in SSB, they won't. But maybe they DO have a reason or see a need to do so. They didn't in Brawl, so I'm unsure why that would be any different now.
 

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Except Jigglypuff occasionally.

Also any of the cut Melee vets not named Mewtwo.
Ness in Melee to. If Mother 64 came to be, there'd be Lucas in Melee, not Ness. Said by Sakurai himself on the Japanese Melee Dojo.
Time will tell if I'm wrong, but I think Sheik is special since she IS tied to Zelda, who is a more immortal character. My guess is that, unless they see a pressing need to change or eliminate Zelda's ability to turn into Sheik in SSB, they won't. But maybe they DO have a reason or see a need to do so. They didn't in Brawl, so I'm unsure why that would be any different now.
Because Zelda is a seriously badly written character? And the 'implied playstyle' is just wrong. Soften foes up with Sheik, who has swift, weak but safe attacks. Finish off with Zelda, who has slow, occasionally strong, and unsafe attacks. It's a recipe for disastrous balance.

I think because Sheik is tied to Zelda, and clearly dependant of her inclusion at first to be considered, Sheik has a clear disadvantage. Sheik, like Zero Suit Samus, clearly isn't the 'main' character. Zelda and Samus are. Pokémon Trainer is different, all Pokémon are equals, and serve 'under' the Pokémon Trainer. Charizard might be different though, as he's popular as ****.

Sheik was also drafted upon for Twilight Princess. I can claim this with certainity, cause there where also Sheikah characters planned for Twilight Princess. For example... Old Man Impa:



As the 'Hidden Village' in TP had connections to the Royal Family. It isn't so farfetched one of the Sheikah there could've given Zelda training, as to become Sheik. Sakurai himself even stated on the Brawl Dojo ;

'Sheik doesn’t appear in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, but we based her model on a design that was drafted up during the development of that game.'
http://www.smashbros.com/wii/en_us/characters/sheik.html

So, knowlegde says, Sheik was planned for Twilight Princess. At least, probably still till Sakurai made his decisions of the roster in 2005. Take note he took 'recent' characters as Lucario and Ike also in consideration, so he for sure had inside information. Which again, seems to appear to be the case this time to, as Rosalina made it in.



I'll get you Sheik! Just you wait and see!
 

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In Brawl, I just wanted Sheik gone, and have a new Zelda character, not so much Sheik being replaced though.
You're right, credit where credit is due.

In terms of Zelda as a whole, it's easily the least worthy of five "slots" out of the so-called Big Three series. It's much closer to DK sales-wise (DK would be the better-selling series had its Gamecube installment not been a joke), and in terms of how many characters have a legitimate case to be made playable. For that reason, putting them on level ground in terms of "slots" seems reasonable to me.
 

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You're right, credit where credit is due.

In terms of Zelda as a whole, it's easily the least worthy of five "slots" out of the so-called Big Three series. It's much closer to DK sales-wise (DK would be the better-selling series had its Gamecube installment not been a joke), and in terms of how many characters have a legitimate case to be made playable. For that reason, putting them on level ground in terms of "slots" seems reasonable to me.
Honestly, I think this is very true. It's just that Nintendo themselves took Zelda as their bigger priority themselves. Thinking they made a sort of 'magical forumla' with Ocarina of Time and try to copy it time and time again. Hence I liked Skyward Sword so much for being so different (also the dungeons, say anything else about the game, but the ****ing dungeons man... BEST).

Think it would be indeed fair if Zelda and DKC got the same ammount of characters. Yet, thanks to Melee's enourmous ammount of Zelda newcomers, and with Brawl's modest inclusion of just Diddy, am not seeing this happening till next installment. In which, I'll support Cranky to the fullest!
 

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So when is this thread going to be renamed "Fire Emblem and Impa/Sheik Discussion Thread"?
 

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just watch diddy be right about impa and all of us start looking like extreme jerks.


it's never going to happern, but still.
 

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People need to understand that we all love certain characters. Wait until more members come. I can almost guarantee that there will be a devout Sheik fan that will war against Diddy. Then we'll see who comes out on top.
 

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just watch diddy be right about impa and all of us start looking like extreme jerks.


it's never going to happern, but still.
I said Rosalina was incredibly unlikely, and I still don't regret that. I certainly won't regret my stance on Impa either if she really will be in the game.

Which she of course won't be.
 
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