Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[FlareHabanero]

FOR CHRISTS SAKE LESS WALUIGI ABORTION AND MORE SPEARS.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Let's also not forget that we already have plenty of RPG genre characters in Smash Brothers while there seems to be a lacking of Puzzle genre characters in Brawl. ;]

Sollution:

 

[FinalStarmen]

Waddle's only obstacle towards inclusion (other than competition between other newcomers) is whether or not Sakurai would be willing enough to implement a fourth Kirby character.

Personally, I really wouldn't mind Waddle Dee, and in fact I would be highly content. Basically, it would 1) add in a character weaponry archetype we haven't really witnessed yet (a long-ranging spear-user), and 2) complete the Kirby series as a whole.

 

[Chandeelure]

People should argue more about Waddle Dee to be honest.
Hey now, I like the concept of Ol' Bandanna.

It's a good idea.

 

[LoneKonWolf]

People should argue more about Waddle Dee to be honest.

Hey now, I like the concept of Ol' Bandanna.

FOR CHRISTS SAKE LESS WALUIGI ABORTION AND MORE SPEARS.

you guys heard the man. . .

discuss!​

By the way chandelure, nice job getting another person to our cause​

 

[Hotfeet444]

FOR CHRISTS SAKE LESS WALUIGI ABORTION AND MORE SPEARS.

Kay...

 

[Depressed Gengar]

Sollution:

WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?!?! It looks uglier than SS Impa.

 

[Diddy Kong]

WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?!?! It looks uglier than SS Impa.

Owner of:

 

[PLATINUM7]

Let's also not forget that we already have plenty of RPG genre characters in Smash Brothers while there seems to be a lacking of Puzzle genre characters in Brawl. ;]

Dr. Mario wasn't enough?

 

[Frostwraith]

From a series balance perspective, Waddle Dee is a bad idea, since all important Kirby characters are already in Smash.
From a gameplay perspective, Waddle Dee could offer something unique with the spear.

My personal opinion is: I don't care if he gets in or not.

 

[Chandeelure]

https://miiverse.nintendo.net/users/rex2300

All the places in the world need Bandana Dee propaganda.

From a series balance perspective, Waddle Dee is a bad idea, since all important Kirby characters are already in Smash.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Sollution:

Alternate solutions:

And of course:

 

[FlareHabanero]

WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?!?! It looks uglier than SS Impa.

It's The Fairy of Flowers, Lip, from Panel de Pon.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Bandana Dee has some (rather surprisingly) decent popularity, around here at least, (and IIRC, he is also popular in Japan) so that helps. Though it all really depends on whether Sakurai feels if the Bandana Dee could complete the Kirby series as of now, and whether he is willing to ignore his modesty to give a total of four characters to the Kirby franchise in Smash.

Personally I'd love for him to be in Smash, but since I'm well aware his chance is rather low, I will not mind if he is not in.

 

[Starcutter]

Dr. Mario wasn't enough?

well, he didn't really incorporate much puzzle elements.


honestly, I want

if there was a puzzle character at all.


and I havn't even played any of the games! I just like top hats.

 

[Frostwraith]

 

[FlareHabanero]

From a series balance perspective, Waddle Dee is a bad idea, since all important Kirby characters are already in Smash.

I'd disagree in this case, mainly because Bandanna provides something interesting to talk about, which in this case is some fancy spear combat.

Gameplay is a very prime subject, and every opportunity I'll buy into it.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

I don't exactly give too much of a **** about Bandana Dee; don't support him nor oppose him.

I have noticed though that he's been being pushed as a new mainstay character in the Kirby series ever since Super Star Ultra.
As far as a fourth Kirby character goes, he's pretty likely to get that spot.

I suppose his competition consists of Gooey, Adeleine, Dark Matter, and Galactica Knight? Those four aren't as recurring as Bandana Dee or the Waddle Dees as a whole.

Not expecting a fourth Kirby character in SSB4, though.

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[Starcutter]

I don't exactly give too much of a **** about Bandana Dee; don't support him nor oppose him.

I have noticed though that he's been being pushed as a new mainstay character in the Kirby series ever since Super Star Ultra.
As far as a fourth Kirby character goes, he's pretty likely to get that spot.

I suppose his competition is Gooey, Adeleine, Dark Matter, and Galactica Knight? Those four aren't as recurring as Bandana Dee or the Waddle Dees as a whole.

Not expecting a fourth Kirby character in SSB4, though.

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actually I think his main competition is either Gooey or Knuckle Joe. you never mentioned Joe.


although I'm pretty sure they don't stand a chance in regards to kirby.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Slime > De Blob > Gooey.
There are better blobs to use than Gooey.

 

[Hotfeet444]

I'd disagree in this case, mainly because Bandanna provides something interesting to talk about, which in this case is some fancy spear combat.

Gameplay is a very prime subject, and every opportunity I'll buy into it.

Then let's talk about how unique Shulk's Monado can be in a game like Smash Bros as a level activation character, like Frank West in Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3.

as for Bandana Dee overall...Eeeeeeeehhh...meh.

 

[PLATINUM7]

While I can sort of see why Bandana Dee is a popular choice, I still really want Gooey as a fourth Kirby character (even if this thread seems to have convinced me that's impossible).

The only support I can find for him is his popularity in these pre Melee polls:
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/software/nus_p_nalj/smash/PostResult2.html
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/software/nus_p_nalj/smash/PostResult3.html
In these polls Gooey was the second most requested Kirby character, beating Meta Knight but behind Dedede. The only problem is these polls are old and Gooey's popularity has probably dropped due to a lack of recent appearences outside of rereleases.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I don't think a 4th Kirby character is that unlikely however. It's more likely than a 4th StarFox character. But not as much as a 4th DKC character.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Then let's talk about how unique Shulk's Monado can be in a game like Smash Bros as a level activation character, like Frank West in Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3.

as for Bandana Dee overall...Eeeeeeeehhh...meh.

Let's see he can foresee the future, so maybe it could be used for a counter attack maybe.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

It's The Fairy of Flowers, Lip, from Panel de Pon.

I was just joking? The troll should've made things obvious.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I was just joking? The troll should've made things obvious.

I know you where obvious. Impa ain't ugly.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Slime > Goomy > De Blob > Gooey.
There are better blobs to use than Gooey.

fixed, you forgot one.

 

[BluePikmin11]

While I can sort of see why Bandana Dee is a popular choice, I still really want Gooey as a fourth Kirby character (even if this thread seems to have convinced me that's impossible).

The only support I can find for him is his popularity in these pre Melee polls:
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/software/nus_p_nalj/smash/PostResult2.html
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/software/nus_p_nalj/smash/PostResult3.html
In these polls Gooey was the second most requested Kirby character, beating Meta Knight but behind Dedede. The only problem is these polls are old and Gooey's popularity has probably dropped due to a lack of recent appearences outside of rereleases.

Check it out, Prince Richard is third.

 

[PLATINUM7]

Check it out, Prince Richard is third.

And Sukapon was the most requested classic character.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Let's see he can foresee the future, so maybe it could be used for a counter attack maybe.

The Monado Shielder should be his counter, and it should counter projectiles, not physical attacks. However, it will repel physical attacks with no initial knockback.

 

[BluePikmin11]

And Sukapon was the most requested classic character.

(Inb4 he doesn't like fighting game characters)
Lip is ahead, Prince Richard is behind. I'm pretty hopeful that this will be the series he will revive.

Also why is there Winnie the Pooh in the Mother category. O-o

 

[Depressed Gengar]

Futuristic Sword < Spear
Shulk loses.

 

[PLATINUM7]

(Inb4 he doesn't like fighting game characters)
Lip is ahead, Prince Richard is behind. I'm pretty hopeful that this will be the series he will revive.

From what it sounds like down the bottom, the one vote that puts Peach ahead of Wario is Sakurai's vote.

 

[BluePikmin11]

From what it sounds like down the bottom, the one vote that puts Peach ahead of Wario is Sakurai's vote.

He voted on that poll too. O-o
That's weird.

 

[PLATINUM7]

Also why is there Winnie the Pooh in the Mother category. O-o

I think it's meant to be Poo.

 

[APC99]

Also why is there Winnie the Pooh in the Mother category. O-o

Poo is a character in EarthBound.

 

[BluePikmin11]

What an odd joke from Sakurai.

 

[Frostwraith]

Also why is there Winnie the Pooh in the Mother category. O-o

You're using Google Translate, aren't you?

Fortunately, I know enough Japanese to know that プー is read as "Pū", which, considering the context of the Mother/EarthBound series, means no one else but this guy:

 

[PLATINUM7]

He voted on that poll too. O-o
That's weird.

The translated quote.
By the way, Wario and Peach, to the end from the beginning aggregation
was each other violently took a seat at the 2-position.
(1 vote difference in the end!)

 

[Hotfeet444]

Designing Shulk as a character is a difficult task, and this was my latest take, basically leveling up through KOs. However, since KOs may be hard to come by, I've changed it to this setting.

Start: Monado de-activated, unable to use special moves
20% damage done to opponents: Upgrade to Level 1, Monado activate, gains level 1 attacks
150% damage done to opponents: Upgrade to Level 2, initiates Level 2 attacks
300% damage done to opponents: Upgrade to Level 3, initiates Level 3 attacks, max power level

Being KOd resets the counter to Start/Level 0. With levels, Shulk's attacks increase in power, but overall range is decreased, meaning that at max level, Shulk needs to play close to be effective, meaning that he's at risk since he will most likely be at high damage, so maybe staying at level 2 is a safer bet for the player, but again, high risk high return. Also, level-ups are automatic, so going in guns blazing will get you higher leveled quicker, but put you at risk later in the match. However, in a one-on-one, this problem is almost non-existant, meaning that Shulk excells at one-on-one fights as opposed to four player brawls.