Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Morbi]

Fluff's a little more unique. But that's it. While Bandanna Dee is more important of the two. And Bandanna Dee has some unique moves up his nonexistent sleeves.

Sleeves... made out of the yarn that was once Prince Fluff?

 

[LoneKonWolf]

Sleeves... made out of the yarn that was once Prince Fluff?

well it does fit the profile
. . .
Bandana Dee is a murder I mean look what happen to ridley and dr. kawashi
Edit: times tried to post this: 4
. . .
my own curse is affecting me

 

[SuperBrawler]

Sleeves... made out of the yarn that was once Prince Fluff?

Complete with the whole yarn world.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Isn't Robin a girl's name?

 

[BluePikmin11]

well it does fit the profile
. . .
Bandana Dee is a murder I mean look what happen to ridley and dr. kawashi

So does anyone want me to bring up Nintendog so Waddle Dee can get flamed.

 

[Morbi]

You put such a strong burden on popularity. I've given several reasons on why I think the Tactician is the best choice. You've given me one on why you don't. That being said, let's sum up:

+ debatedly more important to the story than Chrom
+ more memorable as a character than Chrom
+ relevance
+ more interesting moveset potential
+ represents a concept not yet represented that's been used more than once in FE

- not as popular as the other main contenders

Is there something I've missed here? Do you not consider my "+"s things of even remote importance?

Those are some really subjective points that could actually aid Chrom.

+ It is debatable that Chrom is more important to the story than Robin
+ Chrom is a more memorable character than Robin
+ Relevance (same)
+ More interesting move-set potential (same)

So the only positive attributable to Robin is the last one.

 

[SuperBrawler]

So does anyone want me to bring up Nintendog so Waddle Dee can get flamed.

Bring up Bamdana Doo.

 

[Chandeelure]

well it does fit the profile
. . .
Bandana Dee is a murder I mean look what happen to ridley and dr. kawashi
Edit: times tried to post this: 4
. . .
my own curse is affecting me

Don't forget Felicia and MegaBidoof,their heads are in my linving room.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I honestly think Fire Emblem deserves another character WAY before we introduce a character like Isacc to Smash. Not to mention Roy's staggering popularity and Melee veteran status. I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't get a new Fire Emblem representative. I would; however, be surprised if we got Isacc instead. Shulk is reasonable enough, even then I have my doubts.

This sounds a lot like a "too many" swords argument.

Honestly...

Marth and Ike are fine to. By themselves.

Given Marth and Ike are still the biggest namesakes in Fire Emblem, and that Path of Radiance / Radiant Dawn could potentially ever get remakes for say, 3DS this would work out fine.

Awakening had Chrom and Lucina, descendants of Marth. Falchion, weapon of Marth. It also had Priam, and Ragnell.

Think Roy would also work as a cloned Marth. We also have Toon Link, and Brawl leftover data for Roy. Plus him being madly requested in Japan.

Think it's likelier we get a Marth clone than an Ike clone, as Marth is the face of Fire Emblem and deserves a clone more than Ike. Just like Link and Mario have their 'clones' with Luigi and Toon Link (who could very well become a staple now). Plus we had a Marth clone, Roy in Melee. So Roy... Is more likely than people give him credit for.

Of course, this is an iffy argument if Dixie got in as a Diddy clone, which would make the more important DK without a clone. So... Chrom could still be a Ike clone.

Guess it all depends on how many characters we get in total.

I'll personally be fine with Marth and Ike. They are the coolest Lords for me anyway. FE12 Marth rocked.

 

[LoneKonWolf]

Don't forget Felicia and MegaBidoof,their heads are in my linving room.

wasn't around for that mate, but its good to know that you are a hunter of fine trades

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Hm.. Chrom being claimed a boring character..
Isaac literally steals Robins moveset if he's planned..
CLEARLY THE NEXT BEST FE OPTION IS ANNA!!

As cool as she is, too bad she lacks the "boingy bits" required to be a true contender. *shot*

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

Those are some really subjective points that could actually aid Chrom.

+ It is debatable that Chrom is more important to the story than Robin
+ Chrom is a more memorable character than Robin
+ Relevance (same)
+ More interesting move-set potential (same)

So the only positive attributable to Robin is the last one.

Where did I say these traits were exclusive to Tactician? However, I do disagree on Chrom having interesting moveset potential. You could work with him, but he's still another sword-wielder, which wouldn't be interesting, IMO. I also question why Chrom is more memorable in a story where he shows little character development.

 

[SuperBrawler]

Don't forget Felicia and MegaBidoof,their heads are in my linving room.

I was there once too believe me.

But I befriended him and escaped.

The place looks lovely with blood and heads furniture and plants.

 

[Knight Dude]

Man, I love Fire Emblem but cannot feel any enthusiasm about a new Fire Emblem character. It's depressing.

Are any of the reasonable options are even half as badass as Ike? Sorry, I don't know much Fire Emblem.

Sleeves... made out of the yarn that was once Prince Fluff?

No, That what his bandanna is made of.

 

[LoneKonWolf]

I was there once too believe me.

But I befriended him and escaped.

The place looks lovely with blood and heads furniture and plants.

golly, the place sounds bad mate,
hope my head doesn't end up on a plaque, along with the other creatures in my avatar

 

[Morbi]

Where did I say these traits were exclusive to Tactician?

I thought it was standard practice (common sense) when comparing two characters (especially similar characters) to only outline the positives specific to the character you are supporting. The other points are inherently irrelevant because they also support the other character, so it is unnecessary to even list them. Moments like these are the moments I am embarrassed to be part of the community to be honest.

 

[SuperBrawler]

J

golly, the place sounds bad mate,
hope my head doesn't end up on a plaque, along with the other creatures in my avatar

Just don't make fun of Waddle Dee.

 

[Zhadgon]

I honestly think Fire Emblem deserves another character WAY before we introduce a character like Isacc to Smash. Not to mention Roy's staggering popularity and Melee veteran status. I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't get a new Fire Emblem representative. I would; however, be surprised if we got Isacc instead. Shulk is reasonable enough, even then I have my doubts.

This sounds a lot like a "too many" swords argument.

Ehh... not to say the contrary but an Adavance Wars is more than justified to warrant a spot in the roster, the series is very old, has many installments and plenty of characters, Intelligent Systems this time could tell to Sakurai that it will be better to include a character from Advance Wars and it can represent the other side of the coin in the strategy genre with Fire Emblem.

Second I never said or will I ever say in posts that there will be "to many swords users" a character can use a sword and can be completely different than Marth, Roy, Ike or even Link, it can be faster or maybe a glass canon it all depends in what Sakurai could develop with said character. Isaac so far has gather a lot of fans with the years and with three installments for the Golden Sun Series has warrant a spot, you can look now to Project: M and watch the thread to vote for the characters and the first place even now is Isaac even above King K. Rool and other characters (again Isaac is a sword user so I don´t know where it comes the last sentence).

And finally I think the last runner between all this four probable characters is Shulk he is not a veteran, his series just started and and for now is a pretty niche game but even with all that against him, I can say that the series has found a sequel or spiritual successor in "X", it was the front runner and leader of Project Rainfall, was one of the highest rated games of the last generation praised by every Media and people that have play the game and many more things in his belt that by now everyone that has read this thread can understand (by the way Shulk is sword user too).

.n_n.

 

[BluePikmin11]

As cool as she is, too bad she lacks the "boingy bits" required to be a true contender. *shot*

Spoiler

 

[LoneKonWolf]

J
Just don't make fun of Waddle Dee.

I usually don't
I actually really support the guy and hope he gets in, so me and him have similar goals and objectives

 

[Knight Dude]

Did somebody say Robin?

But seriously, I'd be okay with FE's Robin. Could offer something we haven't seen much of. Though they aren't one of my preferred characters.

As cool as she is, too bad she lacks the "boingy bits" required to be a true contender. *shot*

Those other chicks aren't apparently a Blue Pikmin though. So who cares.

 

[Morbi]

Ehh... not to say the contrary but an Adavance Wars is more than justified to warrant a spot in the roster, the series is very old, has many installments and plenty of characters, Intelligent Systems this time could tell to Sakurai that it will be better to include a character from Advance Wars and it can represent the other side of the coin in the strategy genre with Fire Emblem.

Second I never said or will I ever say in posts that there will be "to many swords users" a character can use a sword and can be completely different than Marth, Roy, Ike or even Link, it can be faster or maybe a glass canon it all depends in what Sakurai could develop with said character. Isaac so far has gather a lot of fans with the years and with three installments for the Golden Sun Series has warrant a spot, you can look now to Project: M and watch the thread to vote for the characters and the first place even now is Isaac even above King K. Rool and other characters (again Isaac is a sword user so I don´t know where it comes the last sentence).

And finally I think the last runner between all this four probable characters is Shulk he is not a veteran, his series just started and and for now is a pretty niche game but even with all that against him, I can say that the series has found a sequel or spiritual successor in "X", it was the front runner and leader of Project Rainfall, was one of the highest rated games of the last generation praised by every Media and people that have play the game and many more things in his belt that by now everyone that has read this thread can understand (by the way Shulk is sword user too).

.n_n.

Yes, in my perspective we should build on what we have, rather than introduce new series that aren't particularly well-known. That is obviously subjective. It seems more logical though. I can see an Advanced Wars assist trophy, I don't think any character is necessarily justified a spot in the roster though. Isacc is reasonable enough, but it would just seem odd to introduce Golden Sun as one of the main Nintendo franchises and neglect Fire Emblem during a high-point in the series. I agree with the Shulk notion, I was under the impression that his game was one of the best selling Wii games (I don't even know what his series is called).

 

[BluePikmin11]

Those other chicks aren't apparently a Blue Pikmin though. So who cares.

Gods, don't make me even think of that.

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

I thought it was standard practice (common sense) when comparing two characters (especially similar characters) to only outline the positives specific to the character you are supporting. The other points are inherently irrelevant because they also support the other character, so it is unnecessary to even list them. Moments like these are the moments I am embarrassed to be part of the community to be honest.

Nah, I was purely justifying Tactician, so I used everything, as opposed to only exclusives. When I look at Chrom, I see:

+ relevance
+ popularity (I consider his being the icon as a contributor to popularity, so I don't use it as a separate point)
+ debatedly more important than Tactician

- little character development, making him, IMO, much less memorable than Tactician
- less moveset potential
- doesn't bring anything new [He's a lord (Marth), and can't think of much else to him]

 

[Morbi]

Where did I say these traits were exclusive to Tactician? However, I do disagree on Chrom having interesting moveset potential. You could work with him, but he's still another sword-wielder, which wouldn't be interesting, IMO. I also question why Chrom is more memorable in a story where he shows little character development.

Character development isn't a necessity to create a memorable character. I am not insinuating that it is irrelevant, but it isn't necessarily required.

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

Character development isn't a necessity to create a memorable character. I am not insinuating that it is irrelevant, but it isn't necessarily required.

Third time trying to post this:

It may not be a necessity, but I think characters developing over time is a huge advantage over characters that don't in terms of how memorable they are.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Gods, don't make me even think of that.

 

[MexM]

Isn't Robin a girl's name?

 

[Morbi]

Third time trying to post this:

It may not be a necessity, but I think characters developing over time is a huge advantage over characters that don't in terms of how memorable they are.

I actually do agree with you to an extent. However, once I apply the Smash filter, I cannot see Robin being implemented over Chrom. Regardless of any favorable aspects specific to the Tactician. His subjective appearance might have something to do with it, but Villager created that precedent. You might be right though, I just don't see it happening personally.

 

[Knight Dude]

Gods, don't make me even think of that.

Um.....But you are a blue pikmin aren't you? Or have you been lying to us the whole time.

 

[Morbi]

Um.....But you are a blue pikmin aren't you? Or have you been lying to us the whole time.

He was the 11th Blue Pikmin conceived.

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

I actually do agree with you to an extent. However, once I apply the Smash filter, I cannot see Robin being implemented over Chrom. Regardless of any favorable aspects specific to the Tactician. His subjective appearance might have something to do with it, but Villager created that precedent. You might be right though, I just don't see it happening personally.

I absolutely respect that! I was just saying Tactician is in the running for X, Y, and Z.

However, I still think both Roy and Chrom are more likely, unfortunately for me.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Are any of the reasonable options are even half as badass as Ike?

Lucina, probably. Chrom and Roy are lol/10.

 

[Morbi]

Lucina, probably. Chrom and Roy are lol/10.

I am not entirely sure if you are being serious... but if you are... I agree 100%.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Sometimes I feel that this is Habaneo's overall attitude towards Chrom: "Your fate is to be destroyed! Why can't you just accept that, lie down and die!"

 

[Zhadgon]

Yes, in my perspective we should build on what we have, rather than introduce new series that aren't particularly well-known. That is obviously subjective. It seems more logical though. I can see an Advanced Wars assist trophy, I don't think any character is necessarily justified a spot in the roster though. Isacc is reasonable enough, but it would just seem odd to introduce Golden Sun as one of the main Nintendo franchises and neglect Fire Emblem during a high-point in the series. I agree with the Shulk notion, I was under the impression that his game was one of the best selling Wii games (I don't even know what his series is called).

But I think bringing new series will inject new blood to the game, you need to see the whole picture if you add another character from Fire Emblem it will bring his moveset and probably a part of the Fire Emblem but by now nothing more, instead if we bring another playable character from any other series that hasn't a playable character it could bring something completely new like new stages, new items, new assist trophies and even less or more trophies, stickers and music.

To answer your point about the Advance Wars series is by now one of the oldest and with many games under its belt without a playable character, here is list of the following games:

1988 - Famicom Wars - Family Computer
1991 - Game Boy Wars - Game Boy
1997 - Game Boy Wars Turbo - Game Boy
1998 - Super Famicom Wars - Super Famicom
1998 - Game Boy Wars 2 - Game Boy/Game Boy Color
2001 - Game Boy Wars 3 - Game Boy Color
2001 - Advance Wars - Game Boy Advance
2003 - Advance Wars 2: Black Hole Rising - Game Boy Advance
2005 - Advance Wars: Dual Strike - Nintendo DS
2005 - Battalion Wars Nintendo - GameCube
2007 - Battalion Wars 2 - Wii
2008 - Advance Wars: Days of Ruin - Nintendo DS

You can see that it has many entries and by now many characters, for me is a total blasphemy that there is no a playable character from this series, if it was with only a few games, I can see the reason but now with more games than StarFox, Earthbound, F-Zero, Kid Icarus, Pikmin and other franchises, it is now the time to include it by far the most underrated series in Smash with little or not mention at all of it.

Yeah but in the next installment of Smash and if there is a new Fire Emblem game should it have another character because is in another high-point and neglect once more the spot for a new franchise that could make it into Smash like Golden Sun, Xenoblade or Advance Wars even if by that time and even now they are worthy of a spot?

Xenoblade is the game where Shulk is the main protagonist and yeah is high selling game the bad thing it has not many copies available and are really pricy so it could be bigger and more known but for now is still a niche game.

.n_n.

 

[Rouge]

Chrom is a terrible, terrible protagonist. Just plain vanilla. I personally think that Awakening has one of the weakest character casts ever. That said, it's extremely likely to get a character in Smash 4.

Out of all the 4 contenders for me it's: Want: Lucina >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anna >> Avatar >>>>>>>>>>>>> Chrom.

As for their actual chances I personally feel like it's: Avatar = Chrom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lucina >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anna.

 

[Sobreviviente]

Advance Wars is waaay better than FE.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Advance Wars is waaay better than FE.

Now you made me real curious.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

Hm.. Chrom being claimed a boring character..
Isaac literally steals Robins moveset if he's planned..
CLEARLY THE NEXT BEST FE OPTION IS ANNA!!

Olivia.
But you said you were going to take over that thread... why haven't you yet?