Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Baskerville]

Its what I've said before, a 5th Mario character isn't much of a necessity, but would nice nonetheless.

That and I get the feeling sakurai thinks the Mario franchise is complete as is.

This is also a factor, guess we'll have to wait and see whats under the cards.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I think I've seen one person in denial, but let's face it. If Toad were in, he very likely would have been revealed in this picture.

I feel bad for Toad fans, but that's what happens sometimes. I course I thought he was done after Peach was revealed.

Also, Blue Toad means nothing, because Sakurai used the Normal Toad for the screen shot. He didn't make any extra effort to be accurate. Not that it even matters. Oh well.

 

[FlareHabanero]

He wasn't in as soon as his meat shield status was revealed all the way back in September.

Yes, I know that there is more then one Toad or whatever excuse you want to talk about, but seriously this is the exact same scenario that happened during pre-Brawl, and look what happened.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

To touch on what Chronobound was saying, Sakurai has already said tgat he is looking to add more new series characters. More=\= all new characters, and Toad was hardly a "great choic in the grand scheme of things". If you ask me, Mario is fine as it is. Time to focus on other series.

Doom and Gloom talk about Toad is silly. He's one character who wasn't even top tier popularity. It doesn't mean much besides Toad's exclusion.

He would've been nice but we need to let go.

 

[Gune]

He wasn't in as soon as his meat shield status was revealed all the way back in September.

Yes, I know that there is more then one Toad or whatever excuse you want to talk about, but seriously this is the exact same scenario that happened during pre-Brawl, and look what happened.

"Those who fail to learn from the past are doomed to repeat it" that fits so well its scary.

 

[Baskerville]

Expect this type of thing to happen all the time when a newcomer is confirmed or deconfirmed

 

[FlareHabanero]

"Those who fail to learn from the past are doomed to repeat it" that fits so well its scary.

By the way, I'm not saying we should expect stuff like Ridley and Palutena to be regulated to the same exact situation like last time around. The difference between those and Toad is that we saw Toad's role right from the start, while with the others it's still very ambiguous about the direction they will go in. Just saying this now before people jump the gun and start pointing out the flaw of the argument.

 

[Deleted member]

I have always supported this idea since before I joined SmashBoards. I was thinking that maybe Andy would be the "Commanding Officer" and he issues orders to a team of Infantry units. The team would be like Ice Climbers, but with guns, and they would have a playstyle/moveset that resemble Contra, the NES game.

I would say "like Ice Climbers" would not be a good idea, but I do think a CO calling in troops to fight while the main soldier leads the assault would be neat.
And when KO'd, the CO "calls in reserves" (Lives for the soldiers are reserves; just like in the Wars series and in real war, soldiers die).

 

[Baskerville]

By the way, I'm not saying we should expect stuff like Ridley and Palutena to be regulated to the same exact situation like last time around. The difference between those and Toad is that we saw Toad's role right from the start, while with the others it's still very ambiguous about the direction they will go in. Just saying this now before people jump the gun and start pointing out the flaw of the argument.

I thought he was talking about the supporters not learning or something. I dunno my brain is all over the place today. -_-

 

[Forcerounds]

The character select screen is going to change dramatically from its traditional organization if we assume the Mario series has only 4 reps. I don't think what we have for the Mario series is enough. The Mario franchise has undergone many changes since the Gamecube era, and a character that can represent the modern Mario games is far past due.

Toad has/had that potential given how he has received playable roles in the new games. Bowser Jr. is a relatively new staple character to the franchise (sometimes he appears in new Mario games, and some times he does not though). Rosalina is about to become a staple character at this point thanks to the impact Galaxy has left on all of us. These characters are why I'm not giving up on the existence of a 5th Mario rep for this game.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Anyone that wants a character to be like Ice Climbers have clearly never fought against Ice Climbers nor have any prospective of design or balance.

 

[Deleted member]

I also think Mario is complete.

We got the face of the series, his sidekick/partner, the damsel in distress, and the big bad. Basically the most notable characters characters in the series.
Same type of deal with The Legend of Zelda. We've got the hero (actually heroes), the titular damsel, and the most recurring villain in the series.

I think any other choices would feel forced. I kind of feel thing way for many of the franchises at hand, at least for the ones that are already established on the roster. There are three exceptions, Donkey Kong, Metroid, and Kid Icarus. Donkey Kong should get Dixie Kong and King K. Rool due to their strong recurring status in the Donkey Kong series as a whole, Ridley should get in because he is the most recurring and iconic bad guy in the franchise, and Palutena should get in because she's got the strong presence in both Kid Icarus and Super Smash Bros. Plus, all of them are popular choices among Super Smash Bros. fans.

I agree in that Mario for all intents and purposes is "complete", though I also disagree on the notion that Jr. is a pretty big deal considering he's been a major villain for the series since 2002 and is essentially 2nd in command.
Sure, he's missed out on a few games, but that's no different than Luigi.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

The character select screen is going to change dramatically from its traditional organization if we assume the Mario series has only 4 reps. I don't think what we have for the Mario series is enough. The Mario franchise has undergone many changes since the Gamecube era, and a character that can represent the modern Mario games is far past due.

Toad has/had that potential given how he has received playable roles in the new games. Bowser Jr. is a relatively new staple character to the franchise (sometimes he appears in new Mario games, and some times he does not though). Rosalina is about to become a staple character at this point thanks to the impact Galaxy has left on all of us. These characters are why I'm not giving up on the existence of a 5th Mario rep for this game.

The roster's organization is not going to impact who gets in and who doesn't. Furthermore, I don't see how it's going to affect the organization at all, if they need a 5th character in the Mario row, they might aswell throw Yoshi in there.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

A fifth Mario character would be nice, but quite honestly, there should be more characters added to other series first. As in, if Mario is getting a fifth this time, then Metroid, Donkey Kong, and a few other series need an addition.

With Sakurai stating that we're getting fewer veteran series characters in Smash, and that we're getting fewer newcomers, I think it's fair to say we're only going to get a few of them. Really, I have a hard time saying we're getting 5. Because I would say in that case it should be Ridley, K.Rool, Palutena, Chrom/Roy, and then Mewtwo.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I agree in that Mario for all intents and purposes is "complete", though I also disagree on the notion that Jr. is a pretty big deal considering he's been a major villain for the series since 2002 and is essentially 2nd in command.
Sure, he's missed out on a few games, but that's no different than Luigi.

Meh. Can't say that is exciting in the slightest.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Sometimes I leave a sigh of relief whenever a character is deconfirmed, that would be one slot of removal in my roster.

 

[?????????????]

By the way, I'm not saying we should expect stuff like Ridley and Palutena to be regulated to the same exact situation like last time around. The difference between those and Toad is that we saw Toad's role right from the start, while with the others it's still very ambiguous about the direction they will go in. Just saying this now before people jump the gun and start pointing out the flaw of the argument.

Right. If we saw Palutena as a part of Pit's Final Smash again, or if we ACTUALLY see Ridley as a stage hazard in the Pyrosphere, then they're pretty much in the same position as Toad. That's the way I see it, anyway.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I find disconfirmations as a good thing sometimes as it rules out particular possibilities. Although, Smash has so many possibilities that it sometimes doesn't mean much.

If we get a character tomorrow, do we get Zelda or Captain Falcon?

 

[BluePikmin11]

My god I hope Palutena doesn't get the Mjonir. ;-;

I find disconfirmations as a good thing sometimes as it rules out particular possibilities. Although, Smash has so many possibilities that it sometimes doesn't mean much.


If we get a character tomorrow, do we get Zelda or Captain Falcon?

I expect Ganondorf or Falco or nothing at all.

 

[Deleted member]

Meh. Can't say that is exciting in the slightest.

A style based on paint and/or machines doesn't sound interesting?

 

[BluePikmin11]

Vince from Art Academy already does the paint job well.

 

[FlareHabanero]

A style based on paint and/or machines doesn't sound interesting?

More like Bowser Jr.

It's a complicated endeavor, I absolutely hate that character but that prospect gives me interest.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

If we get a character tomorrow, do we get Zelda or Captain Falcon?

Zelda. It's like Zelda anniversary month (OoT and ALttP) and ALBW is also coming out. Falcon has one anniversary. We've gotten enough curveballs for now, Sakurai can't announce unexpected characters all the time.

Btw, I wish these posting problems would be fixed, it's ****ing impossible to post anything.

 

[Deleted member]

More like Bowser Jr.

It's a complicated endeavor, I absolutely hate that character but that prospect gives me interest.

Ah, I know how you feel.
It's how I feel about Lyn; don't care for Lyn herself, but Manly's proposed style interests me.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Yea they really need to fix it. I sometimes have to post like 16000 times to post one message.

As a user pointed out in the Reveal Prediction thread, so far, most if not all characters have been revealed based on Japanese release dates. ALBW comes out in January in Japan.

Either way, i'm expecting Zelda or Captain Falcon, although I wouldn't be entirely surprised if there isn't a character reveal at all.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

As a user pointed out in the Reveal Prediction thread, so far, most if not all characters have been revealed based on Japanese release dates. ALBW comes out in January in Japan.

Actually, it comes out late December, and if we're going Brawl Dojo style then Sakurai is likely to take a little year's end vacation, so tommorow would probably still be the best time to reveal Zelda.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Ah, I know how you feel.
It's how I feel about Lyn; don't care for Lyn herself, but Manly's proposed style interests me.

That's not surprising because you're not exactly a Fire Emblem fan. But a solid foundation would rectify that sort of situation. Which is why I think talking from the prospective of gameplay is important, because it gives a reason why something would be worthwhile.

 

[Forcerounds]

The roster's organization is not going to impact who gets in and who doesn't. Furthermore, I don't see how it's going to affect the organization at all, if they need a 5th character in the Mario row, they might aswell throw Yoshi in there.

Good point, but I wasn't implying that the organization of the select screen had an influence on who is getting in. I prefer the traditional layout. That's all.

 

[Deleted member]

Yea they really need to fix it. I sometimes have to post like 16000 times to post one message.

As a user pointed out in the Reveal Prediction thread, so far, most if not all characters have been revealed based on Japanese release dates. ALBW comes out in January in Japan.

Either way, i'm expecting Zelda or Captain Falcon, although I wouldn't be entirely surprised if there isn't a character reveal at all.

Of the 6 characters revealed since E3, that only applies to two of them.
Olimar, who was revealed on Pikmin 3's release date, and Toon Link, who was revealed on Wind Waker HD's release date.

Luigi was not revealed on any game's release date, though Dream Team was due to be released in America 4 days later.
Peach was not revealed on any game's release date. However, her reveal is coincidentally a day before Super Mario Bros. was released in Japan in 1985.
Sonic was not revealed on any game's release date. And it wouldn't be until the 24th of the same month that Lost World was released in Japan (29th for America).
Marth was not revealed on any game's release date. Closest correlation is that Fire Emblem's American debut was on the 3rd of the same month (my birthday) in 2003.

That's not surprising because you're not exactly a Fire emblem. But a solid foundation would rectify that sort of situation. Which is why I think talking from the prospective of gameplay is important, because it gives a reason why something would be worthwhile.

It's more than just not being a Fire Emblem fan; I find Lyn herself to be overrated.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Interesting. This is why I rarely take people's word for things unless i'm being lazy. Today is one of those days.

Anyway, I still think we're getting Zelda or Captain Falcon. Unless of course there is another character that nobody is considering. However, I wouldn't predict characters that have little relevance to the month, as in (looking at you BluePikmin) Ganondorf (who doesn't appear in ALBW) or Falco(lol wut).

 

[FlareHabanero]

It's more than just not being a Fire Emblem fan; I find Lyn herself to be overrated.

Hence why I have stated that gameplay could rectify situations like that.

Though to be perfectly honest, I would prefer the inclusion of Lyndis over the likes of Roy or Chrom. But still say Takamaru over Lyndis. I don't know, but it's not inherently a terrible choice, just one that has more against the inclusion.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Well Falco can be very easy to develop after Fox, so I could see it happening to advertise Starfox 64 3D.
Ness could use promotion also, but the decision is entirely up to Sakurai.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

That and I get the feeling sakurai thinks the Mario franchise is complete as is.

The four main Mario reps may be taken care of, but seeing as Melee did have 5 Mario reps, seeing a new 5th Mario rep is not out of the question.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

@BluePikmin

There really is no evidence to support the notion that "clone characters" who are easier to develop will be shown first. Sure, Luigi and Toon Link were revealed, but that's two out of six characters. That's hardly a pattern if I ever saw one.

 

[Deleted member]

Interesting. This is why I rarely take people's word for things unless i'm being lazy. Today is one of those days.

Anyway, I still think we're getting Zelda or Captain Falcon. Unless of course there is another character that nobody is considering. However, I wouldn't predict characters that have little relevance to the month, as in (looking at you BluePikmin) Ganondorf (who doesn't appear in ALBW) or Falco(lol wut).

Ganondorf doesn't, but Ganon does.

Spoiler

Hence why I have stated that gameplay could rectify situations like that.

Though to be perfectly honest, I would prefer the inclusion of Lyndis over the likes of Roy or Chrom. But still say Takamaru over Lyndis. I don't know, but it's not inherently a terrible choice, just one that has more against the inclusion.

I'd be fine with her rather than Chrom, but not Roy.
I don't really care for Roy either, but I'd rather the veteran than the overrated newcomer who hasn't got a snowball's chance.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Toon Link was the only semi-clone revealed with Peach back in September. No two original characters were revealed in the same month as of now.

 

[Sarki Soliloquy]

Well Falco can be very easy to develop after Fox, so I could see it happening to advertise Starfox 64 3D.
Ness could use promotion also, but the decision is entirely up to Sakurai.

The closest release date for a Falco reveal is with Starfox Adventures' anniversary tomorrow. Totally gonna be Krystal.

Ness would've been a more appropriate reveal in June personally with the Wii U VC release. No anniversaries related to Mother coming up

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

@Golden

I saw a screenshot of Ganon coming out of some sort of portal, so I knew he was in the game, but I still don't see Ganondorf getting announced because of it.

@BluePikmin

That still doesn't justify a pattern. I could just as easily say that Ganondorf won't be revealed because the source material (Captain Falcon) has not been revealed yet. Luigi and Toon Link were predated by Mario and Link.

 

[LoneKonWolf]

so guys i just saw the "pic of the day" and read sakurai comment
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so . . . did he just deconfirmed toad (or made his chances incredibaly unlikely) or am i just over thinking things, if not what a terrible day for toad fans

 

[FlareHabanero]

I'd be fine with her rather than Chrom, but not Roy.
I don't really care for Roy either, but I'd rather the veteran than the overrated newcomer who hasn't got a snowball's chance.

Fair enough. Again, would rather Takamaru to do that sort of concept Manly proposed instead.

Also you'd think I'd be all over Roy considering the concept by itself, but hilariously that is not the case at all.