Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[LoneKonWolf]

I actually hope that Pokemon Trainer gets cut. XD

 

[Chandeelure]

Pokémon Trainer is likely of very high priority exactly because of this. The Kanto starters are more important than they have been since Gen 1, and they're also the fan favorite Pokémons, all things considered Charizard is by far the most well-loved Pokémon. Plus, the character is extremely unique, Sakurai is all over having characters that can do something no one else can, it'd be like cutting Ice Climbers. Because of these reasons, I'd be surprised if Pokémon Trainer isn't the second highest prioritized Pokémon character, as that was what he was being treaten as in Brawl too, and that was when he was a newcomer idea, which would mean he'd have been easier to scrap back then, this time they don't have to make him from scratch. If anything, Pokémon Trainer would only free up space for 3 other veterans, in which case it would be better to cut other characters than Pokémon Trainer. Other Pokémon like Mewtwo, Lucario and Jigglypuff are likely to be further down the priority list since they don't require as much work, and they don't sell as well as Charizard and his two companions do.

If anyone from Pokémon is leaving, I'm afraid it'll most likely be Jigglypuff, since we know that the Pokémon characters are affected a lot by Game Freak's promotional choices. Last time, Mewtwo had to bite the dust because of that, but this time Mewtwo has reason to be in, and so does the Kanto starters and Lucario, Jigglypuff still doesn't have any reason to be in besides being from being in the original Smash. With that said, Jigglypuff is an extremely standard and easy character to make, and I'm not expecting any Pokémon character to go, I'm expecting the Brawl ones + Mewtwo, but if any, it'll likely be Jigglypuff, which I'm not happy with since it's the only Pokémon character in Smash I like to play as besides Ivysaur, who you can't play as a standalone character.

Or maybe he can add only Charizard and save the other 2 slots for newcomers XD

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Or maybe he can add only Charizard and save the other 2 slots for newcomers XD

Porting over Squirtle and Ivysaur and slightly editing them hardly takes the work of making one newcomer.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

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Gee, aren't you a ray of sunshine.
EDIT: 500th post, baby!

 

[NickerBocker]

Pokémon Trainer is likely of very high priority exactly because of this. The Kanto starters are more important than they have been since Gen 1, and they're also the fan favorite Pokémons, all things considered Charizard is by far the most well-loved Pokémon. Plus, the character is extremely unique, Sakurai is all over having characters that can do something no one else can, it'd be like cutting Ice Climbers. Because of these reasons, I'd be surprised if Pokémon Trainer isn't the second highest prioritized Pokémon character, as that was what he was being treaten as in Brawl too, and that was when he was a newcomer idea, which would mean he'd have been easier to scrap back then, this time they don't have to make him from scratch. If anything, Pokémon Trainer would only free up space for 3 other veterans, in which case it would be better to cut other characters than Pokémon Trainer. Other Pokémon like Mewtwo, Lucario and Jigglypuff are likely to be further down the priority list since they don't require as much work, and they don't sell as well as Charizard and his two companions do.

If anyone from Pokémon is leaving, I'm afraid it'll most likely be Jigglypuff, since we know that the Pokémon characters are affected a lot by Game Freak's promotional choices. Last time, Mewtwo had to bite the dust because of that, but this time Mewtwo has reason to be in, and so does the Kanto starters and Lucario, Jigglypuff still doesn't have any reason to be in besides being from being in the original Smash. With that said, Jigglypuff is an extremely standard and easy character to make, and I'm not expecting any Pokémon character to go, I'm expecting the Brawl ones + Mewtwo, but if any, it'll likely be Jigglypuff, which I'm not happy with since it's the only Pokémon character in Smash I like to play as besides Ivysaur, who you can't play as a standalone character.

Jiggs is one of the easiest characters to make, and very little resources are required to make him. Compared to PKMN Trainer who can take more time than making 4 other characters. Charizard is the only one people care about too.

Yes I understand PKMN trainer is extremely unique, and popular, and important. But it boils down to resource allocation. Its that you could possibly make up to 4 other character slots by cutting just one. And if he leaves, that will be the reason, because he takes alot of time to program.

 

[Chandeelure]

Porting over Squirtle and Ivysaur and slightly editing them hardly takes the work of making one newcomer.

I still want one newcomer over Pokemon Trainer...
It is personal,I just don't like Pokemon Trainer.
I don't know if it's the stupid stamina mechanic or something,but I don't like him.

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[Forcerounds]

There should be no need for cuts. How about we NOT assume that the 3DS can't handle 50+ playable characters considering the amount of content Pokemon X and Y managed to fit into one cartridge.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

There should be no need for cuts. How about we NOT assume that the 3DS can't handle 50+ playable characters considering the amount of content Pokemon X and Y managed to fit into one cartridge.

Not to mention, the largest existing cartridge size for the 3DS holds up to 8GB of data (which Shin Megami Tensei IV used). 8GB is a lot of data in case that isn't apparent. The 3DS won't be holding much back at all.

 

[FlareHabanero]

How about we NOT assume that the 3DS can't handle 50+ playable characters considering the amount of content Pokemon X and Y managed to fit into one cartridge.

The problem was never data, on the contrary you can easily fit the same amount of data Brawl used onto a 8GB game card if push comes to shove. You can even squeeze in the the same amount of content into a 4GB card if you better handle the data management and remove the useless filler content. The problem here is more along the lines of time, and to an extent technical complications due to the different hardware between the Wii U and 3DS.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

The problem was never data, on the contrary you can easily fit the same amount of data Brawl used onto a 8GB game card if push comes to shove. You can even squeeze in the the same amount of content into a 4GB card if you better handle the data management and remove the useless filler content. The problem here is more along the lines of time, and to an extent technical complications due to the different hardware between the Wii U and 3DS.

What issue of time, again? Sakurai isn't above delaying the games, and a patch system in the future is definitely being considered. Either way, we're probably not getting a release date until after next year's E3, so time doesn't seem to be an issue when a character taking 2 weeks is still, what, plenty of time for at least another 20 characters to be completed before release?

 

[FlareHabanero]

What issue of time, again? Sakurai isn't above delaying the games, and a patch system in the future is definitely being considered. Either way, we're probably not getting a release date until after next year's E3, so time doesn't seem to be an issue when a character taking 2 weeks is still, what, plenty of time for at least another 20 characters to be completed before release?

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/197055...t_have_time_to_bring_all_characters_back.html

Also apparently patches are DLC now.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Those are the characters from the Satellaview, they are the Diskun of the Famicom Disk System.

Spoiler

of what you say about that, by the way my choice will be Harry from Teleroboxer.

.n_n.

Whoops almost forgot about them. Never knew their names before!

Enough with Nintendog. It ain't happening.
EDIT: One more post till 500... :D

That's what you think.

 

[NickerBocker]

Im hopeful for no cuts, but I am expecting them because it is a very realistic possibility

 

[FlareHabanero]

Im hopeful for no cuts, but I am expecting them because it is a very realistic possibility

Just for the record, don't expect something like 16 cuts. If pre-Brawl has taught everyone, coveting for half of the roster being cut is rather reckless.

 

[LoneKonWolf]

Gee, aren't you a ray of sunshine.
EDIT: 500th post, baby!

well yes, yes I am

don't do that,

you make me feel bad

 

[Chandeelure]

don't do that,

you make me feel bad

 

[Hotfeet444]

Good late afternoon all, hope you're all doing well as I'm finally back. Looks like the topic is pretty much the exact thing as when I was last here, the discussion of cuts and the 3DS' capabilities overall. People really do tend to doubt this poor little machine, for even with over 720 pokemon models, large colorful locations, and plenty of trainer/world animations, Pokemon's overall amount of data on a SD card is still less than 2 GB worth of space. Impressive isn't it? Anyways, I highly doubt the 3DS will hold back that much from the Wii U, especially considering the fact that Sakurai was originally intending for this title to be a 3DS exclusive at one point.

 

[Sharkarat]

On the topic of Metroid characters.
I don't really think Sylux has a chance. Not that any Metroid character has much chance (Except maybe ridley).
He would most likely end up a Clone/Semiclone of Samus, which is a job Dark Samus would do better. He also don't have any unique abilities that wouldn't also fit on Dark Samus.
I don't think he's more important than the other hunters, atleast not Weavel. Weavel also has much more unique moveset potential.

 

[NickerBocker]

Just for the record, don't expect something like 16 cuts. If pre-Brawl has taught everyone, coveting for half of the roster being cut is rather reckless.

I only expect 2 or 3 cuts, but going back to what I said earlier, cutting pokemon trainer would be enough to cover that amount, due to its resource allocation.

1 cut is way better than 2 or 3, especially when some characters on the chopping block have some serious following, such as Ike.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/197055...t_have_time_to_bring_all_characters_back.html

Also apparently patches are DLC now.

The fact that there's heavy emphasis on saying "the previous Smash Bros. games" rather than "the previous Smash Bros. game" doesn't really confirm much about Brawl characters getting cut. All it acknowledges is that not every past character will return, meaning he can just as well be referring to characters like Dr. Mario, Pichu, and Roy. At least he's humble enough for us to apologize for a lack of Young Link.

Also sauce for the patches are DLC bit pretty pls.

 

[FlareHabanero]

The fact that there's heavy emphasis on saying "the previous Smash Bros. games" rather than "the previous Smash Bros. game" doesn't really confirm much about Brawl characters getting cut. All it acknowledges is that not every past character will return, meaning he can just as well be referring to characters like Dr. Mario, Pichu, and Roy. At least he's humble enough for us to apologize for a lack of Young Link.

He's not saying the Brawl characters (plus Melee) are going to be absent, but rather it's a possibility. Again, it's basically one big warning stating that expecting everyone to return unscathed is a bad idea, but at the same time there isn't going to be any desires to remove characters. If a character is absent, it will because the character is simply pushed out due to everyone else, similar to how it was between Melee and Brawl.

Also sauce for the patches are DLC bit pretty pls.

You're mixing up patches with DLC, patches are bits of coding coding designed to fix flaws while DLC is designed to add content to the original game. DLC is not currently being planned, but the idea of patches is.

 

[Chandeelure]

So guys...What's your opinion about Toad?
I think he has chances,some people say that he is deconfirmed because he is an human shield.

 

[FlareHabanero]

So guys...What's your opinion about Toad?

Already shot down, so it's pretty pointless to hold onto such a character.

Not that it's a major lost since there is still bigger fish to fry, like Ridley and Palutena for example.

 

[Chandeelure]

Already shot down, so it's pretty pointless to hold onto such a character.

Not that it's a major lost since there is still bigger fish to fry, like Ridley and Palutena for example.

Mmmmm fried fish...

So...any topic idea? XD

 

[BluePikmin11]

So how bout after the fish are fried, what else is there for newcomers?

Mmmmm fried fish...
So...any topic idea? XD

Would you swap Lucas for Porky as the 2nd Mother character.

 

[Chandeelure]

Would you swap Lucas for Porky as the 2nd Mother character.

No,because Lucas is my main

 

[Fortanono]

Would you swap Lucas for Porky as the 2nd Mother character.

What would Porky even do without his machine? And with it, he would be too big! (inb4 Ridley arguments) Besides, Lucas is more iconic than Porky, appearing as a protagonist as well as in Brawl not as a boss. So yeah, I've made my point.

 

[Forcerounds]

If we're running low on things to discuss, we can always discuss prediction rosters. Here's mine:

(48 Character Slots, 53 playable characters)

I don't think Toad is a lost cause. Don't attempt to convince me otherwise. It won't work. But enough of that.

I don't see many people suggest classic Ganon as a 5th Zelda rep. With A Link Between Worlds coming out soon, the Brawl's Zelda representation feels like it is lacking reference to the top-down Zelda games like A Link to the Past. And if it's ok to have another variation of Link with Toon Link, then another variation of the main villain is plausible as well.

 

[TopTierPichu]

i dont like toad because from what i understand he is a very generic "we ran out of characters to make playable in all his games", plus he always seems to be a joke in all the games he is in

 

[Depressed Gengar]

Would you swap Lucas for Porky as the 2nd Mother character.

Do we even need a second Mother rep? Lucas can be dropped entirely.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Can I just say that the idea for adding Nintendogs to Smash Bros. as playable fighters is an absolutely ****tarded idea?

Do you have any idea the amount of backlash that Sakurai would face for adding such a character? Regardless if it is true or not, news stations would run with it, saying that Smash Bros. could convince kids that it's okay to beat up animals, and even if PETA is annoying, they would still make a huge deal out of this. It just isn't a good idea in any way, shape, or form.

Sorry, but really stupid ideas grind my gears. Nintendog deserves a rep? Uh, no. No it doesn't. If anything, the stage it is getting is enough. Not every series EVER needs a character you know.

 

[BluePikmin11]

If we're running low on things to discuss, we can always discuss prediction rosters. Here's mine:

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(48 Character Slots, 53 playable characters)

I don't think Toad is a lost cause. Don't attempt to convince me otherwise. It won't work. But enough of that.

I don't see many people suggest classic Ganon as a 5th Zelda rep. With A Link Between Worlds coming out soon, the Brawl's Zelda representation feels like it is lacking reference to the top-down Zelda games like A Link to the Past. And if it's ok to have another variation of Link with Toon Link, then another variation of the main villain is plausible as well.

Hmm.. I would be intrigued by the inclusion of Ganon, other than that, it's a pretty safe roster. :/

Can I just say that the idea for adding Nintendogs to Smash Bros. as playable fighters is an absolutely ****tarded idea?

Do you have any idea the amount of backlash that Sakurai would face for adding such a character? Regardless if it is true or not, news stations would run with it, saying that Smash Bros. could convince kids that it's okay to beat up animals, and even if PETA is annoying, they would still make a huge deal out of this. It just isn't a good idea in any way, shape, or form.

Sorry, but really stupid ideas grind my gears. Nintendog deserves a rep? Uh, no. No it doesn't. If anything, the stage it is getting is enough. Not every series EVER needs a character you know.

Pretty adamant are you.. I still find it a hilarious idea.

 

[BKupa666]

Can I just say that the idea for adding Nintendogs to Smash Bros. as playable fighters is an absolutely ****tarded idea?

Do you have any idea the amount of backlash that Sakurai would face for adding such a character? Regardless if it is true or not, news stations would run with it, saying that Smash Bros. could convince kids that it's okay to beat up animals, and even if PETA is annoying, they would still make a huge deal out of this. It just isn't a good idea in any way, shape, or form.

Sorry, but really stupid ideas grind my gears. Nintendog deserves a rep? Uh, no. No it doesn't. If anything, the stage it is getting is enough. Not every series EVER needs a character you know.

But Sakurai is looking for casual characters to add, don'tcha know? And sales!

 

[Autumn ♫]

So guys...What's your opinion about Toad?
I think he has chances,some people say that he is deconfirmed because he is an human shield.

He still has a good chance of being in. He's got that importance.

 

[TopTierPichu]

Do we even need a second Mother rep? Lucas can be dropped entirely.

D:
I feel like the Masked Man from Mother 3 should be in mostly because Marth and Roy's appearance in smash lead to their games localized, i feel if we have an interesting Mother character their games can come over too

 

[Depressed Gengar]

If we're running low on things to discuss, we can always discuss prediction rosters. Here's mine:

View attachment 4160
(48 Character Slots, 53 playable characters)

I don't think Toad is a lost cause. Don't attempt to convince me otherwise. It won't work. But enough of that.

I don't see many people suggest classic Ganon as a 5th Zelda rep. With A Link Between Worlds coming out soon, the Brawl's Zelda representation feels like it is lacking reference to the top-down Zelda games like A Link to the Past. And if it's ok to have another variation of Link with Toon Link, then another variation of the main villain is plausible as well.

Needs more K. Rool. Not sure about Piggy.
Ultimate Life form Rating: 9.0

 

[BluePikmin11]

Here's a new topic, would you find the idea of Wii Fit Trainer a good idea or bad idea if she was predicted in before the E3 Trailer had begun?

 

[Forcerounds]

Needs more K. Rool. Not sure about Piggy.
Ultimate Life form Rating: 9.0

To be honest, K. Rool has some very interesting moves, but his relevance to the Donkey Kong series is on the decline. However, if K. Rool ends up as the 4th secret playable character in Tropical Freeze, he should definitely be a character in Smash. I can see Retro putting him in. With the vikings taking over DK Island, the Kremlings and the Kongs now have a common enemy over resource possession.

 

[FinalStarmen]

So guys...What's your opinion about Toad?
I think he has chances,some people say that he is deconfirmed because he is an human shield.

Personally, I'd patiently wait and see. Perhaps the most restrictive obstruction to a playable Toad (of any miscellaneous collection of colors) is not necessarily being a Standard Special Move for another character or even having an advertisement for an upcoming game being promoted by another character (these are debatable terms of contention), but rather... whether or not Sakurai sees Toad as a viable option for a playable character, and how he compares such viability towards other potential newcomers (not even necessarily relegated to solely Mario characters).

Depending on how Sakurai envisions Toad, he could either go the less-difficult route of reducing Toad into a traditional role of a non-playable supporting character, and just entirely overlook the more-active roles Toad has taken in recent years (or feel it's not an important aspect to the character for whatever reason), or Sakurai could find acknowledge the distinguishable qualities of the character and allow entry access with playability. It also depends on how Sakurai would balance the overall worth of Toad in comparative analysis to the general playable roster, and whether or not Toad is worth including.

If you were to ask me, I would be rather pessimistic about Toad's chances (if Sakurai does indeed view Toad as a nonviable playable character, but instead a supporting role), although I would not be entirely dismissive, either. It may seem like a cop-out by not giving an entirely confident answer, yet as a result of the speculative nature of predictions, I would better precede with cautionary discipline.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Here's a new topic, would you find the idea of Wii Fit Trainer a good idea or bad idea if she was predicted in pre-SSB4 times?

Considering I hated the idea of her when I first saw her trailer, probably. I would've grown on the idea pretty quickly though.