Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Depressed Gengar]

I'd rather have Brawl's roster (except Lucas and PT) with enough newcomers to bring the roster to at least 45.

 

[BluePikmin11]

You know, considering that there won't be a Subspace Emissary-like story mode in this game, does that mean that the time, effort and money that would have otherwise been spent on that can be used to not just bring back all of Brawl's roster, but also get 15 new characters in total as well?

Quite possible, unless there are intentional cuts.

 

[Golden Icarus]

Jones, that last part raised an interesting question. If we only got 12 newcomers, who should they be? You don't have to have the three so far (even though everyone will have Megaman, regardless)

1. Villager
2. Mega Man
3. Wii it Trainer
4. Ridley
5. King K. Rool
6. Little Mac
7. Shulk
8. Isaac
9. Paper Mario
10. Takamaru
11. Samurai Goroh
12. Excitebiker (hey I can dream)

 

[TopTierPichu]

1 Masked Man
2 Mii
3 Toon Zelda/Tetra
4 Plusle and Minun
5 Fawful
6 Cackletta
7 Geno
8 Ashley
9 Reggie "my body is ready" Fils-Aime

and I cant think of any more right now :/

 

[shinhed-echi]

If we're guessing newcomers, here's what I got:

-E3 NEWCOMERS
1>Villager<
2>Megaman<
3>Wii Fit Trainer<

-UNREVEALED NEWCOMERS (mostly new IPs + unique movesets)
4- Little Mac
5- Saki Amamiya / Shulk (Just a feeling)
6- Takamaru / Isaac (Swordsman with stuff)
7- Robin (New "Pokemon Trainer" type surprise with unique playstyle)
8- Tempo / Dillon (Something 3DS related)
9- Pac Man

-LAST MINUTE ADDITIONS (mostly side characters to already present, possibly underrepresented, IPs)
10- Dixie Kong
11- Bowser Jr. / Blue Toad --(only "non-underrepresented")
12- Samurai Goroh

 

[TumblrFamous]

You know, considering that there won't be a Subspace Emissary-like story mode in this game, does that mean that the time, effort and money that would have otherwise been spent on that can be used to not just bring back all of Brawl's roster, but also get 15 new characters in total as well?

I think development time will be able to be spent on characters and that type of development. But there will still be a single-player campaign, my guess it will be akin to Adventure Mode in Melee. But development time will be cut short because of the loss of SSE, which I'm fairly happy about. Never got into it.

Though 15 newcomers.... not too sure. I think anywhere between 8-12 is reasonable enough.

Quite possible, unless there are intentional cuts.

That's the thing: there really aren't any intentional cuts this time around. Young Link and Pichu made sense cutting, but everyone on the Brawl roster has enough merits to warrant them a spot in the next game.

 

[Fortanono]

Jones, that last part raised an interesting question. If we only got 12 newcomers, who should they be? You don't have to have the three so far (even though everyone will have Megaman, regardless)

Here's who I WANT (even though it isn't realistic):

1. King Boo
2. Prof. E. Gadd
3. Baby Bros.
4. Waluigi
5. Tingle
6. Prince Fluff
7. Dawn
8. Victini
9. Tharja
10. Lip
11. Silver the Hedgehog
12. Pac-Man

 

[Zhadgon]

Jones, that last part raised an interesting question. If we only got 12 newcomers, who should they be? You don't have to have the three so far (even though everyone will have Megaman, regardless)

My twelve:
1) Mega Man
2) Villager
3) Wii Fit Trainer
4) Ridley
5) King K. Rool / Dixie Kong
6) Palutena / Shulk / Mewtwo
7) Mii
8) Pac-Man
9) Little Mac
10) Takamaru
11) Chrom / Roy
12) Insert "Hardware Historical Character" / Harry

.n_n.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

If we're guessing newcomers, here's what I got:

-E3 NEWCOMERS
1>Villager<
2>Megaman<
3>Wii Fit Trainer<

-UNREVEALED NEWCOMERS (mostly new IPs + unique movesets)
4- Little Mac
5- Saki Amamiya / Shulk (Just a feeling)
6- Takamaru / Isaac (Swordsman with stuff)
7- Robin (New "Pokemon Trainer" type surprise with unique playstyle)
8- Tempo / Dillon (Something 3DS related)
9- Pac Man

-LAST MINUTE ADDITIONS (mostly side characters to already present, possibly underrepresented, IPs)
10- Dixie Kong
11- Bowser Jr. / Blue Toad --(only "non-underrepresented")
12- Samurai Goroh

It was who do you want for newcomers, not expect.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Insert "Hardware Historical Character"

Stop believing in that fan ****, there is no such thing as a "hardware historical character". Even if there was, we're are not obliged to anything considering the extreme lack of notability or potential with any of those characters.

 

[Chandeelure]

1.Megaman
2.Villager
3.Wii Fit Trainer
4.Bandana Dee
5.Bomberman
6.Others...

 

[Zhadgon]

Stop believing in that fan ****, there is no such thing as a "hardware historical character". Even if there was, we're are not obliged to anything considering the extreme lack of notability or potential with any of those characters.

Well insert similar character as Mr. Game and Watch and R.O.B., if you still not like that answer then Harry from Teleroboxer.
.n_n.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

I applaud your bravery to put Balloon Fighter!

You want me to be braver and put Shadow on there? XD

 

[TopTierPichu]

Why Balloon Fighter? Its been confirmed that Villager has a move that essentially turns him into Balloon Fighter

 

[Deleted member]

@KingShadow
Do it.

Just so I can laugh at the Shadow Rage.

....this is like the 8th time I tried to post this effing message.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Well insert similar character as Mr. Game and Watch and R.O.B., if you still not like that answer then Harry from Teleroboxer.
.n_n.

Character that few people actually expected to be in Smash in the first place but make sense given they represent a huge part of Nintendo history?

Check.

But seriously, there is probably no established pattern concerning G&W and R.O.B.

 

[Deleted member]

You know, that makes me wonder what does she weigh in at?
I wouldn't imagine a woman as fit as her would be so secretive of her weight.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Just wait till Nintendog bites into the competition!

 

[Zhadgon]

Character that few people actually expected to be in Smash in the first place but make sense given they represent a huge part of Nintendo history?
Check.

But seriously, there is probably no established pattern concerning G&W and R.O.B.

Spoiler

of what you say about that, by the way my choice will be Harry from Teleroboxer.

.n_n.

 

[Deleted member]

Which will be, when exactly?
When people learn how to hack Smash 4 and someone makes a Nintendog PSA, which still hasn't happened in Brawl?

 

[BluePikmin11]

I think Nintendog will be revealed next April to celebrate its 9 anniversary, Nintendog will probably promote Nintendogs and Cats.
Oh there's this one video of Nintendog hack right here, it's the only one though:

Although I'll have no clue how to hack Smash 4, since the Wii U is much more secure.

 

[Sobreviviente]

parabo and satebo pls.

 

[LoneKonWolf]

I think Nintendog will be revealed next April to celebrate its 9 anniversary, Nintendog will probably promote Nintendogs and Cats.
Oh there's this one video of Nintendog hack right here, it's the only one though:

Although I'll have no clue how to hack Smash 4, since the Wii U is much more secure.

. . .
. . .
. . .
after watching that, I now feel like supporting Nintendo now,
also I never heard of a dog that comes out of fire and can breath fire (except Cerberus)

 

[BluePikmin11]

parabo and satebo pls.

Who are they?
Dog breeds?

 

[NickerBocker]

Well insert similar character as Mr. Game and Watch and R.O.B., if you still not like that answer then Harry from Teleroboxer.
.n_n.

Retro is really the only thing you should draw from that "pattern" and even that is unlikely, seeing as Sakurai tricks you into thinking theres a consistent pattern, when in the end he just trolls.

 

[Zhadgon]

Who are they?
Dog breeds?

Those are the characters from the Satellaview, they are the Diskun of the Famicom Disk System.

Retro is really the only thing you should draw from that "pattern" and even that is unlikely, seeing as Sakurai tricks you into thinking theres a consistent pattern, when in the end he just trolls.

Spoiler

of what you say about that, by the way my choice will be Harry from Teleroboxer.

.n_n.

 

[Knight Dude]

New topic.

Who would you choose for a Metroid character if it wasn't Ridley?

Ridley may be the most likely choice for a Metroid character, but their are others that I'd still like to see regardless of that. Namely Dark Samus, who I think has a semi-decent chance compared to the rest. And out of personal bias, Sylux, Spire or Weavel from Hunters were always cool to me.

Still I'd personally say: Ridley > Dark Samus > Kraid > Everybody else

 

[schavira]

This CSS makes a lot of sense to me, which really makes me worry it will be 45 characters maximum.

Rationale:
Unless we are discussing a doomsday scenario, the final CSS should not be any more conservative than this.
The franchises are represented in the order they appear in on the website.
Zelda/Metroid/Kirby/Star Fox characters form a solid row of 11, with Kirby in the middle (as he was in Melee and Brawl, and basically in 64).
First column represents the four biggest characters in the franchise. Second column represents characters secondary to them. Third column is female characters (save Pac-Man, who would easily have Ms. Pac-Man as an alternate costume). Fourth column features the main villains of the franchises, plus Solid Snake (who acts as a de facto third party antagonist). Fifth column is characters returning from the first game, save Mii. Sixth column features doppelgängers, Wario and Meta Knight.

Bowser Jr., Dixie Kong and King K. Rool make more sense any other Mario-related newcomers. It would be odd to see Waluigi without Daisy, and Toad seems out of the running. Paper Mario is probably the only other character from the franchise with a chance of making it in.
The only additions to the franchises of the second row that would make any sense are a single Zelda newcomer (this could be debated for ages so I will not put down a guess), Ridley and Krystal. There is a high chance Ridley will not be playable, as evidenced by the new Metroid stage (we will find out though). Star Fox has not had an entirely new addition to the franchise in some time, if I understand correctly, and Sakurai is probably reluctant to include any more Rare characters, especially if Dixie Kong and King K. Rool are added.
Mewtwo will almost certainly replace Lucario, although there is a chance both could make the cut. Pokémon Trainer will likely have a different roster that references X/Y, or be replaced by a standalone Charizard capable of Mega Evolution. There is a chance we will see a fifth Pokémon character, but we can only guess at this point. Due to constraints I cannot see any new F-Zero (been about a decade since that franchise was last truly active), Mother, or Kid Icarus characters (Sakurai waited three games to finally add more Kirby characters, so I have doubts as to whether or not we will see Palutena, especially considering Pit's final smash).
Pac-Man and Mii seem like shoe-ins, to the dismay of many (I really have no problem with either). Little Mac is questionable, between the boxing gloves of Villager and the ambiguity of the arena stage.

With this, we have eleven possible semi-newcomers (Pokémon Trainer/Mewtwo are of questionable status), the lowest number in any sequel so far. The only characters to be truly replaced would be Lucario and Ike (with Pokémon Trainer also seeing a revamp in its lineup). Ideally, all of these characters will be making the cut. But outside of this, I cannot see any more than four or five more spaces being occupied. Sakuari said the Brawl lineup was ideal, if not too crowded. It is hard to see Sakurai breaking 50 characters, based on interviews. If anyone else were to make it in, it would probably be Ridley, Little Mac, and new representatives from Zelda/Pokémon/Kid Icarus (and possibly Krystal or a Mario character).

 

[Zhadgon]

This CSS makes a lot of sense to me, which really makes me worry it will be 45 characters maximum.

I have only one concern, adding two Donkey Kong characters is probable but unlikely especially when you don't add anyone from Metroid so at least take out one DK character and add Ridley, Sylux, Dark Samus or Anthony Higgs (one of this characters will be the Metroid character added).
.n_n.

 

[schavira]

I have only one concern, adding two Donkey Kong characters is probable but unlikely especially when you don't add anyone from Metroid so at least take out one DK character and add Ridley, Sylux, Dark Samus or Anthony Higgs (one of this characters will be the Metroid character added).
.n_n.

I would take Ridley over new Donkey Kong characters any day, but none of the other Metroid characters really seem viable. Hopefully Ridley will make it in, but I worry as of now.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

I have only one concern, adding two Donkey Kong characters is preferred but unlikely especially when you don't add anyone from Metroid so at least take out one DK character and add Ridley, Ridley, Dark Ridley or Ridley Higgs (one of this characters will be the Metroid character added).
.n_n.

Fixed.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

Enough with Nintendog. It ain't happening.
EDIT: One more post till 500... :D

 

[NickerBocker]

This CSS makes a lot of sense to me, which really makes me worry it will be 45 characters maximum.

Props for 4 DKC characters, but the lack of Lucario, Palutena and Ridley seems strange. I suspect at least one of those are to be included.

Other than that, looks good. I dont necessarily agree with certain areas, but its all preference at that point

 

[FlareHabanero]

Remind me as to why Lucario is being scrapped again?

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Remind me as to why Lucario is being scrapped again?

Used to be not being relevant outside of advertisement and popularity.

Then X and Y came along, gave it a Mega Evolution, forced you into a battle of using one against one, made it a required addition to your caught Pokemon amount, and held it up as the very first Pokemon to Mega Evolve.

So basically it'd be scrapped for no reason.

 

[NickerBocker]

Remind me as to why Lucario is being scrapped again?

Used to be not being relevant outside of advertisement and popularity.

Then X and Y came along, gave it a Mega Evolution, forced you into a battle of using one against one, made it a required addition to your caught Pokemon amount, and held it up as the very first Pokemon to Mega Evolve.

So basically it'd be scrapped for no reason.

This. Also, PKMN trainer requires a large amount of resources to create, and cutting this one frees up space for at LEAST 3 other individual characters. Given that the most likely reason for cuts is time constraints, hes the logical solution.

You cut one slot and you can get 3 characters, so if anyone from Pokemon is leaving, its PKMN trainer, provided Sakurai doesnt plan ahead of time to cut someone else.

 

[Chandeelure]

I actually hope that Pokemon Trainer gets cut. XD

 

[TopTierPichu]

I hope no one gets cut :/

 

[TumblrFamous]

I actually hope that Pokemon Trainer gets cut. XD

I don't want anyone cut, but if cuts are inevitable, I hope they do what's best for development-time and cut the Pokemon Trainer. It was an amazing concept, but frankly it might take up a lot of time.

They could always make Charizard his own character, or just make a trainer controlling Charizard on its own. I just don't think they would take out Charizard, of all Pokemon.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

This. Also, PKMN trainer requires a large amount of resources to create, and cutting this one frees up space for at LEAST 3 other individual characters. Given that the most likely reason for cuts is time constraints, hes the logical solution.

You cut one slot and you can get 3 characters, so if anyone from Pokemon is leaving, its PKMN trainer, provided Sakurai doesnt plan ahead of time to cut someone else.

Pokémon Trainer is likely of very high priority exactly because of this. The Kanto starters are more important than they have been since Gen 1, and they're also the fan favorite Pokémons, all things considered Charizard is by far the most well-loved Pokémon. Plus, the character is extremely unique, Sakurai is all over having characters that can do something no one else can, it'd be like cutting Ice Climbers. Because of these reasons, I'd be surprised if Pokémon Trainer isn't the second highest prioritized Pokémon character, as that was what he was being treaten as in Brawl too, and that was when he was a newcomer idea, which would mean he'd have been easier to scrap back then, this time they don't have to make him from scratch. If anything, Pokémon Trainer would only free up space for 3 other veterans, in which case it would be better to cut other characters than Pokémon Trainer. Other Pokémon like Mewtwo, Lucario and Jigglypuff are likely to be further down the priority list since they don't require as much work, and they don't sell as well as Charizard and his two companions do.

If anyone from Pokémon is leaving, I'm afraid it'll most likely be Jigglypuff, since we know that the Pokémon characters are affected a lot by Game Freak's promotional choices. Last time, Mewtwo had to bite the dust because of that, but this time Mewtwo has reason to be in, and so does the Kanto starters and Lucario, Jigglypuff still doesn't have any reason to be in besides being from being in the original Smash. With that said, Jigglypuff is an extremely standard and easy character to make, and I'm not expecting any Pokémon character to go, I'm expecting the Brawl ones + Mewtwo, but if any, it'll likely be Jigglypuff, which I'm not happy with since it's the only Pokémon character in Smash I like to play as besides Ivysaur, who you can't play as a standalone character.