Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Deleted member]

Why would people even care about K. Rool if it weren't for DKC Returns and Tropical Free-wait a minute....

 

[?????????????]

Why would people even care about K. Rool if it weren't for Returns and Tropical Free-wait a minute....

I get the big picture there. The argument is that...

Chrom doesn't have an edge over Roy despite the fact that, since Brawl, Chrom has starred in a game and Roy has not, BECAUSE Roy is an important character overall.

And I'd agree with that and K. Rool as well.

For me... I think that Chrom has a better shot because he has starred in a game since Brawl, AND Roy, in comparison, has not starred in a game since "being cut" from SSB's roster.

That's why I believe Chrom has an edge in this area.

 

[Seraphim.]

The whole "Who would care about (Insert character name here) in they weren't in (Insert Game name here)" thing annoys me.

 

[?????????????]

The whole "Who would care about (Insert character name here) in they weren't in (Insert Game name here)" thing annoys me.

...did Palutena really have any kind of rememberable role BEFORE Kid Icarus Uprising?

I mean, I'll concede that point if anyone has fond memories of Palutena from the original Kid Icarus.

 

[ZeldaMaster]

I would like to post my top 10 list as well.
1)Chrom
2)Shulk
3)Paper Mario
4)K. Rool
5)Little Mac
6)Palutena
7)Isaac
8)Krystal
9)Mewtwo
10)Ridley

 

[Seraphim.]

...did Palutena really have any kind of rememberable role BEFORE Kid Icarus Uprising?

I mean, I'll concede that point if anyone has fond memories of Palutena from the original Kid Icarus.

Not really, and personally I think all we need for Kid Icarus is Pit.

 

[Johnknight1]

@ pizza
We play as characters, not representatives.

Series don't need playable character representation, because such a thing doesn't actually exist except fictitiously in the fanboy wars on sites like this.

The whole "Who would care about (Insert character name here) in they weren't in (Insert Game name here)" thing annoys me.

Not only that, but it is nonsensical.

 

[?????????????]

@ pizza
We play as characters, not representatives.

Series don't need playable character representation, because such a thing doesn't actually exist except fictitiously in the fanboy wars on sites like this.

I already wrote a nice essay here earlier today on why I like Chrom more as a "character" than Roy.

Got it covered.

 

[Johnknight1]

Anyways, my list was always Mega Man #1.

Here's my (roughly) pre-E3 list (note: I only included characters I saw had a reasonable chance at being playable):
1. Mega Man
2. Ridley
3. K. Rool
4. Isaac
5. Shulk
6. Little Mac
7. Plusle and Minun
8. Dixie Kong
9. Takamaru
10. Tails

Here's what my list is now:
1. Mega Man
2. Villager
3. Wii Fit Trainer
4. Ridley
5. K. Rool
6. Isaac
7. Shulk
8. Miis
9. Little Mac
10. Plusle and Minun

 

[Deleted member]

@pizzamandudeguy:
I don't care for either of the two at this point and would be perfectly content with just Marth and Ike coming back, but I honestly don't think the "starred in a game since Brawl" point holds much water for this major hole in the bucket:
A key aspect when Sakurai is picking characters is how much they stand out.
While I believe Sakurai is capable of making Chrom stand out, it would not be a lie to say that so many comparisons between him and Marth/Ike have been made to the point that Chrom is not that special by default.
If Ike had not had the BFS he swings around, it would be a safe bet he would not have been in Brawl. Neither would have Roy been in Melee had he not had a sword that ignites into flame.
What's Chrom's shtick? No seriously, I'm asking. I've been trying to find one for a while to show he undeniably can be more than a middle-ground of Marth and Ike.

Which is why I brought up the Avatar before; he/she/it has much to work with to stand out in comparison.

I also don't buy the case for Roy "being cut" holding him back. Roy was planned to return and was a victim of time constraints, an unfortunate circumstance. It's not like the case of Pichu, who wasn't even planned to return.
Given that Roy is also one of the most requested characters for Smash and has been for a while (being reportedly higher requested than any Newcomer with only Mewtwo ahead of him) from what information we have about polling, I'd say that really puts Roy having an edge rather than Chrom.


I hope this long post doesn't insinuate I'm attacking you; people seem to confuse post length with anger, even when I'm not being particularly on the offensive.

 

[Johnknight1]

I already wrote a nice essay here earlier today on why I like Chrom more as a "character" than Roy.

Got it covered.

Yeah, but you're talking about roles.

Man, both are important in their series.

On top of that, even if Roy wasn't important to Fire Emblem anymore, he's important to Smash, as he was in the game that is still the most beloved smash game and is generally seen as the best entry in the series by the franchises' fans.

So ultimately, it comes down to skillset, moveset, and playstyle potential.

The thing that Roy has going for him is he's different. He's got a unique stabbing-based style, lots of elemental moves, and just a different style. His attack form in The Bind Blade really shows that. On top of that, he could borrow (or steal) moves from his daddy Eliwood as well!

Chrom... yeah. He's exactly like Marth, sans using a lance and a few more power moves.

Unlike Roy's game The Binding Blade (Fire Emblem 6), I haven't played Awakening, and so far, that's all I've seen or heard that is different from what Marth does in those games, and the only unique skills he has. Basically, he just sounds like a poor man's Marth or Roy.

Then again, it could be like the Krystal fanbase, who pre-Brawl undersold how unique she could really be. Now thanks to their fanbase, shortiecanbrawl in particular, they really make her unique and intangible potential really a focus, and it makes me want to play as their vision of Krystal as a playable character.

 

[?????????????]

@pizzamandudeguy:
I don't care for either of the two at this point and would be perfectly content with just Marth and Ike coming back, but I honestly don't think the "starred in a game since Brawl" point holds much water for this major hole in the bucket:
A key aspect when Sakurai is picking characters is how much they stand out.
While I believe Sakurai is capable of making Chrom stand out, it would not be a lie to say that so many comparisons between him and Marth/Ike have been made to the point that Chrom is not that special by default.
If Ike had not had the BFS he swings around, it would be a safe bet he would not have been in Brawl. Neither would have Roy been in Melee had he not had a sword that ignites into flame.
What's Chrom's shtick? No seriously, I'm asking. I've been trying to find one for a while to show he undeniably can be more than a middle-ground of Marth and Ike.

Which is why I brought up the Avatar before; he/she/it has much to work with to stand out in comparison.

I also don't buy the case for Roy "being cut" holding him back. Roy was planned to return and was a victim of time constraints, an unfortunate circumstance. It's not like the case of Pichu, who wasn't even planned to return.
Given that Roy is also one of the most requested characters for Smash and has been for a while (being reportedly higher requested than any Newcomer with only Mewtwo ahead of him) from what information we have about polling, I'd say that really puts Roy having an edge rather than Chrom.


I hope this long post doesn't insinuate I'm attacking you; people seem to confuse post length with anger, even when I'm not being particularly on the offensive.

I know. I won't take it that way.

However, it's difficult to reply fully sensibly right now though. I haven't had much sleep, and I feel like I've been getting a lot of flak today for liking Chrom more than Roy, believing he's more likely, and believing he would work as a new, original character.

I don't think standing out makes a huge difference. Besides artistic style and height, I don't think Toon Link stands apart too far from Link. But I've always supported both, because I've always thought both were important aspects and characters to The Legend of Zelda.

I think Chrom's way of fighting is enough of a contrast of Marth and Ike to be naturally different. I explained it a little better earlier today, but it involved a "Soul Caliber" analogy; they are different, even if they seem similar.

I've written a lot about this topic today.

 

[Arcanir]

Here's my list:
1. Mega Man
2. Wii Fit Trainer
3. Villager
4. Ridley
5. Little Mac
6. King K. Rool
7. Palutena
8. Mewtwo

 

[?????????????]

Unlike Roy's game The Binding Blade (Fire Emblem 6), I haven't played Awakening, and so far, that's all I've seen or heard that is different from what Marth does in those games, and the only unique skills he has. Basically, he just sounds like a poor man's Marth or Roy.

What I like most about Chrom in his fighting is his demeanor. His sword is styled similarly to Marth's, yet unlike Marth, who is a more diplomatic character, Chrom is headstrong and leads by example.

This personality combined with his type of weapon gives him a very athletic fighting style that I think is evident in cutscenes for Awakening. He doesn't have a huge sword like Ike, but he has a similar persona, so he has to make use quick flips and precise swinging manuevers to get by, as contrasted by Marth's more elegant, "fencing" like style. Chrom reminds me much more of a "gladiator."

Some might call this a "middle ground" between Marth and Ike, but I think it's something new.

 

[Johnknight1]

Oh, and I want people to note my reason for my choices are purely for gameplay reasons.

I don't vote based on who is my favorite video game character, although the list would likely have the same top 3 (Mega Man, Ridley, and K. Rool; part of the reasons we love such characters often is that they are totally unique, including with what attacks they use), albeit I would put Paper Mario and especially Dixie Kong higher up there on that list, and Plusle and Minun and of course the Miis would disappear from that list altogether.

 

[Zhadgon]

So the following list is going on (with 22 people for the moment):

1) Mega Man
2) Wii Fit Trainer
3) Villager
4) Little Mac (20 votes)
5) Ridley (15 votes)
6) King K. Rool, Palutena (14 votes)
7) Pac-Man, (11 votes)
8) Mii (10 votes)
9) Takamaru (7 votes)
10) Chrom, Dixie Kong, Shulk (5 votes)
11) Isaac (4 votes)
12) Mewtwo (3 votes)
13) Bowser Jr., Lip, Paper Mario, Bandana Dee (2 votes)
14) Toon Zelda (Tetra), Lyn, Bomberman,Toad, Lucina, Robin, Dark Samus, Dr. Kawashima, Nintendog, Harry, Bayonetta, Plusle and Minum (1 vote)

So pretty much the next newcomers will be, following the list above:
1) Mega Man
2) Wii Fit Trainer
3) Villager
4) Little Mac
5) Ridley
6) King K. Rool
7) Palutena
8) Pac-Man
9) Mii


.n_n.

Here's my list:
1. Mega Man
2. Wii Fit Trainer
3. Villager
4. Ridley
5. Little Mac
6. King K. Rool
7. Palutena
8. Mewtwo

You forget to put one more character.
.n_n.

 

[Johnknight1]

What I like most about Chrom in his fighting is his demeanor. His sword is styled similarly to Marth's, yet unlike Marth, who is a more diplomatic character, Chrom is headstrong and leads by example.

Okay, well that's a nice start for character and how Chrom would act in battle, but what does this all mean gameplay-wise=???

While I don't particularly agree that personality is a huge role in character selection, it definitely has a role, and I won't argue with your logic here, because it is rather sound.

This personality combined with his type of weapon gives him a very athletic fighting style that I think is evident in cutscenes for Awakening. He doesn't have a huge sword like Ike, but he has a similar persona, so he has to make use quick flips and precise swinging manuevers to get by, as contrasted by Marth more elegant, "fencing" like style. Chrom reminds me much more of a "gladiator."

Some might call this a "middle ground" between Marth and Ike, but I think it's something new.

You've done a good job showed us some of your visions of Roy. Now show us more. What kind of quick flips=??? What kind of swinging maneuvers=??? What would they act like=??? How would they function=??? You got a lot of his basic broad topics down, now tune in on the offense and attacks, and perhaps even the defense.

Often with Roy I say that he could have a stabbing-heavy style with a few slashes lunges and twirls in his moveset, and that he would have minimal pre-move lag, but more than average post-move lag, and that he would move with some grace, but would still have some power behind him without abandoning technicality in his sword play. He would actually be a fairly realistic sword fighter if it wasn't for the ph1r3 if he was drawn up how I see it!

What similar thing could you say about Chrom=??? I honestly want to know. The only pro-Chrom guy I have previously gotten great information out of was Opossum. No one else has really given me anything at all to work with or visualize with him until you did just now. Sorry if it comes across like I'm a hungry dog salivating over a hunk of meat, but I've gotten nothing out of these other Chrom fans these days!!!

This is a lot better than the years of bland crap I've gotten out of countless other Chrom fans. Thank you for actually delivering something. Now I know why people keep telling me you're a good poster and your opinions are good; because they are right.

 

[Arcanir]

You forget to put one more character.
.n_n.

Oh, sorry. I'll add in Takamaru for this list:

1. Mega Man
2. Wii Fit Trainer
3. Villager
4. Ridley
5. Little Mac
6. King K. Rool
7. Palutena
8. Mewtwo
9. Takamaru

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Well, I've seen all of the arguments for Roy and for Chrom, and I've decided that character I will be advocating for is Robin the tactician.

 

[Zhadgon]

So pretty much this for the following swordsmen from Fire Emblem represented with styles taken from Soul Calibur:

Spoiler

Marth

Chrom

Ike

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[Seraphim.]

I wouldn't be surprised if we did get Robin, things have been going in His/Her favor lately....

 

[Johnknight1]

Robin=???

Damian Wayne is the only good choice.

All the others can gtfo.

 

[Zhadgon]

So the following list is going on (with 23 people for the moment):

1) Mega Man
2) Wii Fit Trainer
3) Villager
4) Little Mac (21 votes)
5) Ridley (16 votes)
6) King K. Rool, Palutena (15 votes)
7) Pac-Man, (11 votes)
8) Mii (10 votes)
9) Takamaru (8 votes)
10) Chrom, Dixie Kong, Shulk (5 votes)
11) Isaac, Mewtwo (4 votes)
13) Bowser Jr., Lip, Paper Mario, Bandana Dee (2 votes)
14) Toon Zelda (Tetra), Lyn, Bomberman,Toad, Lucina, Robin, Dark Samus, Dr. Kawashima, Nintendog, Harry, Bayonetta, Plusle and Minum (1 vote)


.n_n.

 

[?????????????]

Okay, well that's a nice start for character and how Chrom would act in battle, but what does this all mean gameplay-wise=???

While I don't particularly agree that personality is a huge role in character selection, it definitely has a role, and I won't argue with your logic here, because it is rather sound.

You've done a good job showed us some of your visions of Roy. Now show us more. What kind of quick flips=??? What kind of swinging maneuvers=??? What would they act like=??? How would they function=??? You got a lot of his basic broad topics down, now tune in on the offense and attacks, and perhaps even the defense.

Often with Roy I say that he could have a stabbing-heavy style with a few slashes lunges and twirls in his moveset, and that he would have minimal pre-move lag, but more than average post-move lag, and that he would move with some grace, but would still have some power behind him without abandoning technicality in his sword play. He would actually be a fairly realistic sword fighter if it wasn't for the ph1r3 if he was drawn up how I see it!

What similar thing could you say about Chrom=??? I honestly want to know. The only pro-Chrom guy I have previously gotten great information out of was Opossum. No one else has really given me anything at all to work with or visualize with him until you did just now. Sorry if it comes across like I'm a hungry dog salivating over a hunk of meat, but I've gotten nothing out of these other Chrom fans these days!!!

This is a lot better than the years of bland crap I've gotten out of countless other Chrom fans. Thank you for actually delivering something. Now I know why people keep telling me you're a good poster and your opinions are good; because they are right.

I'll do my best to describe it, but I'm a little tired.

The animations that Chrom has in Awakening and the cutscenes that display the battles of both Chrom and Lucina show the specific kinds of manuevers I mean. Because Lucina says that she learned her moves "from her Father," I think it's completely reasonable to incorporate her attacks into Chrom's moveset.

When looking at Chrom's in-battle animations, he jumps a lot (which isn't too uncommon for Fire Emblem Lords), and he angles his sword in arcs that look...very uncomfortable for his arm. Some of his battle animations seem to directly contradict what Marth does: For instance, when he rushes forward to strike, he stabs at an upward-diagonal angle, as opposed to Marth who slashes. When Chrom strikes upward, he slashes TOWARDS HIMSELF at an arc to essentially "uppercut" the opponent with his blade, and follow through outward to pull the opponent in.

When looking at the various cutscenes through Awakening, their are a lot of other moves that I find inspiring. One of the first we see is a fight against the Risen in the beginning. One of the small details that I find interesting in how he fights in this cutscene is how he uses two hands to strike with a forward slash for more power. Ike does something similar sometimes, but it's a bit more unusual with Chrom's smaller blade. In several cutscenes, when Chrom is able to use more power (such as when an enemy is being held off), he switches to a two-handed style that's much more straightforward than his regular way of fighting.

The most impressive display, though, is the cutscene of his fight against Lucina in Arena Ferox. Chrom's iconic pose comes from the way he (and Lucina) masterfully swings his sword around both of his arms in a pinwheel like pattern. Along with the two-handed fighting style, I think this shows that Chrom is fairly proficient in fighting with both of his arms, and makes use of switching arms (sometimes even throwing his blade) to get around his opponent. I think the most impressive manuevers in this fight are one in which Lucina combines a jumping roundhouse kick, followed by a sideways arced forward slash, and an incredible manuever performed by both Chrom and Lucina in which, from an aerial position, they rapidly front-flip while swinging they're blade toward the opponent. Stylistically, it DOES look similar to Ike's Aether in Brawl, but they are able to angle the attack in a way to launch themselves at their opponent.

Using these moves and animations as influences, I think Chrom can have an incredibly athletic fighting style that makes use approaching the opponent through leaping attacks/kicks and attacking by arcing his blade in unusual angles as he slashes, while being able to perform combos by rapidly swinging his blade as he switches hands, as well as more powerful moves where he uses both arms to slash in a forward arc (as opposed to a downward slam). Special moves can make use of the more "specified maneuvers" Chrom has displayed, such as the rapid front-flip spin and rapidly spinning the blade around both arms.

As for the Final Smash, I like the idea of making use of Fire Emblem Awakening's "Dual Support" system, where other characters jump in for team attacks. In this specific example, Lucina appears from a portal, and the duo perform a team attacks on the opponent; this example is entirely based on a cutscene early in the game.

I hope this was the kind of thing you were looking for. And thank you!

 

[XStarWarriorX]

I'll do my best to describe it, but I'm a little tired.

This is why I love pizza, wow very insightful post

Very nice, one handed for weak attacks, and then a two-handed style for more power and launch... and its canon-esque, you sir have now convinced to not care anymore about this whole chrom thing, if I may.... save this for the people who don't like chrom? thanks.

 

[Zhadgon]

I hope this was the kind of thing you were looking for. And thank you!

For your description it seems like he will be a type of Sheik character that use sword but a little more rough and straight, instead of being a technique player it will be a power type with agile moveset.
.n_n.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Who is this Noah I hear so much about?

 

[XStarWarriorX]

Who is this Noah I hear so much about?

Its saturn64gamer, he's notorious for starting arguments here, but he's not so bad.

hope you got your scrappy loudred btw.

 

[IsmaR]

@ Psycho

Forgot to mentioned I got around to breeding some good IVs/natures. Still have one with perfect HP/Atk/Sp. Atk/Speed if you want.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

@ Psycho

Forgot to mentioned I got around to breeding some good IVs/natures. Still have one with perfect HP/Atk/Sp. Atk/Speed if you want.

Yes!

Edit: What you want for it?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I'll do my best to describe it, but I'm a little tired.

The animations that Chrom has in Awakening and the cutscenes that display the battles of both Chrom and Lucina show the specific kinds of manuevers I mean. Because Lucina says that she learned her moves "from her Father," I think it's completely reasonable to incorporate her attacks into Chrom's moveset.

When looking at Chrom's in-battle animations, he jumps a lot (which isn't too uncommon for Fire Emblem Lords), and he angles his sword in arcs that look...very uncomfortable for his arm. Some of his battle animations seem to directly contradict what Marth does: For instance, when he rushes forward to strike, he stabs at an upward-diagonal angle, as opposed to Marth who slashes. When Chrom strikes upward, he slashes TOWARDS HIMSELF at an arc to essentially "uppercut" the opponent with his blade, and follow through outward to pull the opponent in.

When looking at the various cutscenes through Awakening, their are a lot of other moves that I find inspiring. One of the first we see is a fight against the Risen in the beginning. One of the small details that I find interesting in how he fights in this cutscene is how he uses two hands to strike with a forward slash for more power. Ike does something similar sometimes, but it's a bit more unusual with Chrom's smaller blade. In several cutscenes, when Chrom is able to use more power (such as when an enemy is being held off), he switches to a two-handed style that's much more straightforward than his regular way of fighting.

The most impressive display, though, is the cutscene of his fight against Lucina in Arena Ferox. Chrom's iconic pose comes from the way he (and Lucina) masterfully swings his sword around both of his arms in a pinwheel like pattern. Along with the two-handed fighting style, I think this shows that Chrom is fairly proficient in fighting with both of his arms, and makes use of switching arms (sometimes even throwing his blade) to get around his opponent. I think the most impressive manuevers in this fight are one in which Lucina combines a jumping roundhouse kick, followed by a sideways arced forward slash, and an incredible manuever performed by both Chrom and Lucina in which, from an aerial position, they rapidly front-flip while swinging they're blade toward the opponent. Stylistically, it DOES look similar to Ike's Aether in Brawl, but they are able to angle the attack in a way to launch themselves at their opponent.

Using these moves and animations as influences, I think Chrom can have an incredibly athletic fighting style that makes use approaching the opponent through leaping attacks/kicks and attacking by arcing his blade in unusual angles as he slashes, while being able to perform combos by rapidly swinging his blade as he switches hands, as well as more powerful moves where he uses both arms to slash in a forward arc (as opposed to a downward slam). Special moves can make use of the more "specified maneuvers" Chrom has displayed, such as the rapid front-flip spin and rapidly spinning the blade around both arms.

As for the Final Smash, I like the idea of making use of Fire Emblem Awakening's "Dual Support" system, where other characters jump in for team attacks. In this specific example, Lucina appears from a portal, and the duo perform a team attacks on the opponent; this example is entirely based on a cutscene early in the game.

I hope this was the kind of thing you were looking for. And thank you!

Very well written.

Lots of thought put into it.

As far as character stats go (things like running speed, jump height, etc), where do you think this Chrom would fall?

 

[BluePikmin11]

So the following list is going on (with 23 people for the moment):

1) Mega Man
2) Wii Fit Trainer
3) Villager
4) Little Mac (21 votes)
5) Ridley (16 votes)
6) King K. Rool, Palutena (15 votes)
7) Pac-Man, (11 votes)
8) Mii (10 votes)
9) Takamaru (8 votes)
10) Chrom, Dixie Kong, Shulk (5 votes)
11) Isaac, Mewtwo (4 votes)
13) Bowser Jr., Lip, Paper Mario, Bandana Dee (2 votes)
14) Toon Zelda (Tetra), Lyn, Bomberman,Toad, Lucina, Robin, Dark Samus, Dr. Kawashima, Nintendog, Harry, Bayonetta, Plusle and Minum (1 vote)


.n_n.

This was a voting game? >.>
Alright, I was about to post my top 9 again.

 

[SmasherMaster]

I need to vote so here's mine! 1) Villager 2) Megaman 3) Wii Fit Trainer 4) Little Mac 5) Ridley 6) King K Rool 7) Palutena 8) Mewtwo 9) Takamaru

 

[Arcadenik]

I only supported Chrom in the first place because I wanted a new Lord from the latest game (Awakening) and because I liked Chrom's design. But I was a little disheartened to read many posts stating that Chrom is not unique or very bland, that he is too similar to Marth and/or Ike. But I'm glad pizzadudemanguy elaborated on the small stuff that make up the whole picture... Chrom seems like he has his own fighting style. I would like to see that in Smash. Very interesting read!

 

[?????????????]

Very well written.

Lots of thought put into it.

As far as character stats go (things like running speed, jump height, etc), where do you think this Chrom would fall?

Stat wise, I do see Chrom falling in-between Marth and Ike. A running speed slightly slower than Marth, an attack speed a little slower than Marth, more power than Marth...

But with the greatest jump height and jump distance of the Fire Emblem characters.

 

[Louie G.]

Is the website kinda slow for anyone else, or just me?

 

[BluePikmin11]

Not much activity in the morning here.
We could use a new topic?
How would you guys react if these were the only FE characters in SSB4?
1. Marth
2. Chrom
3. Anna

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Not much activity in the morning here.
We could use a new topic?
How would you guys react if these were the only FE characters in SSB4?
1. Marth
2. Chrom
3. Anna

Upset, since my main is gone...

 

[Autumn ♫]

Not much activity in the morning here.
We could use a new topic?
How would you guys react if these were the only FE characters in SSB4?
1. Marth
2. Chrom
3. Anna

I'd be a bit upset. I don't want the same thing that happened to Roy happen to Ike.

 

[SuperBrawler]

Is the website kinda slow for anyone else, or just me?

It's quite fast for me.