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Well could Balloon Fighter take advantage of using (literal) air as part of his attacks.
Possible, but unnecessary when Takamaru and Lip exist. While Sakurai might be able to make him work, he seems like more of a challenge than is necessary.
The Ice Climbers never had any ice related moves in their own games actually. From what I remember they could only swing their hammers as their means of attack. As well as jump in order to break the ice above them. The team work mechanic and the ice attacks were made up specifically for Smash Bros.
Never had any, but there was ice in the game, so it's not a terrible stretch.
 

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Well could Balloon Fighter take advantage of using (literal) air as part of his attacks.
I think you just completely ignored what I said and used a point that contradicts my point which previously invalidated this point. As I asked you not to.

Toad can use items to make him unique, guess what it's still not happening because he's a sheild.
 

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The Ice Climbers never had any ice related moves in their own games actually. From what I remember they could only swing their hammers as their means of attack. As well as jump in order to break the ice above them. The team work mechanic and the ice attacks were made up specifically for Smash Bros.
Well yes. But the theme of the game was literally "ice climbing". So it makes perfect sense to include ice/snow attacks in their moveset.

Well could Balloon Fighter take advantage of using (literal) air as part of his attacks.
Depends on what you mean. I'm not sure how much you could do with air, especially when him flapping his arms would likely be his recovery. But again, this is exactly what the villager does with the helmet, so at this point in time, I think it is fair to say that Balloon Fighter is not going to be in Smash Bros Wii U/3DS.
 

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Does anyone think that Sakurai will announce more newcomers on the site? I think he may just announce veterans on the site, and keep the rest of the newcomers hidden in-game. Though, whenever we get a Smash-dedicated Direct I think we could see a newcomer there.
 

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Well yes. But the theme of the game was literally "ice climbing". So it makes perfect sense to include ice/snow attacks in their moveset.



Depends on what you mean. I'm not sure how much you could do with air, especially when him flapping his arms would likely be his recovery. But again, this is exactly what the villager does with the helmet, so at this point in time, I think it is fair to say that Balloon Fighter is not going to be in Smash Bros Wii U/3DS.
I think s/he is referring to "elemental" air.
 

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I'm not too sure about that but w/e. I'm not the type of guy to jump into any conclusions so I'd rather wait it out until the full roster is revealed before I say that said characters is definitely going to be in or out with full confidence. but that's just me really. :/
 

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The Ice Climbers never had any ice related moves in their own games actually. From what I remember they could only swing their hammers as their means of attack. As well as jump in order to break the ice above them. The team work mechanic and the ice attacks were made up specifically for Smash Bros.
Well sometimes Sakurai gives moves to characters that didn't originally have them (or use much) as to be more true to their character. :ganondorf:
 

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Does anyone think that Sakurai will announce more newcomers on the site? I think he may just announce veterans on the site, and keep the rest of the newcomers hidden in-game. Though, whenever we get a Smash-dedicated Direct I think we could see a newcomer there.
I think he will, probably around November to December.
 

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I'm not too sure about that but w/e. I'm not the type of guy to jump into any conclusions so I'd rather wait it out until the full the roster is revealed before I say that said characters is definitely going to be in or out. but that's just me really. :/
The only characters I definitely think are in the game is a FE Awakening character and Little Mac because of their stages. Unless Sakurai is that much of a troll and gives Punch-Out!! a stage without including the oh-so highly requested character from that series. If Sakurai doesn't include Little Mac and his reason is "he doesn't use his legs in combat" I'mma be pissed.
 

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The only characters I definitely think are in the game is a FE Awakening character and Little Mac because of their stages. Unless Sakurai is that much of a troll and gives Punch-Out!! a stage without including the oh-so highly requested character from that series. If Sakurai doesn't include Little Mac and his reason is "he doesn't use his legs in combat" I'mma be pissed.
Well, Awakening (like many games) would get a stage even if we didn't have a character. Unlike Punch-Out which would not because it's such a dumb idea for a Smash stage. Although we can't "confirm" it's from Punch-Out. :ohwell:
 

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The only characters I definitely think are in the game is a FE Awakening character and Little Mac because of their stages. Unless Sakurai is that much of a troll and gives Punch-Out!! a stage without including the oh-so highly requested character from that series. If Sakurai doesn't include Little Mac and his reason is "he doesn't use his legs in combat" I'mma be pissed.
I really think the boxing stage is helping Little Mac's chances, why do you the ring was included in the first place?
 

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I'm not too sure about that but w/e. I'm not the type of guy to jump into any conclusions so I'd rather wait it out until the full roster is revealed before I say that said characters is definitely going to be in or out with full confidence. but that's just me really. :/
The thing is that Balloon Fighter is a different case from say Toad or Krystal. There is no concrete evidence (at this point) that either of the latter 2 are unplayable, but with Balloon Fighter, a character with virtually no relation (Villager) has taken the Balloon Fighters most iconic part in his/her moveset.

One thing about Smash Bros., is that uniqueness is a large part of what makes the game great. Could that move be removed in a later installment and given to Balloon Fighter? Absolutely. But if Balloon Fighter were planned at the start, why would Sakurai give Villager that move? That wouldn't make any sense in the slightest, and we all know that Balloon Fighter is nowhere near the popularity of Sawnic, which means that Sakurai wouldn't make the time to remove that move, then add Balloon Fighter for the sake of adding Balloon Fighter.
 

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The only characters I definitely think are in the game is a FE Awakening character and Little Mac because of their stages. Unless Sakurai is that much of a troll and gives Punch-Out!! a stage without including the oh-so highly requested character from that series. If Sakurai doesn't include Little Mac and his reason is "he doesn't use his legs in combat" I'mma be pissed.
Yeah I do think that Little Mac is very likely too. I'm not too certain about an Awakening character but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if we did get Chrom or Robin or w/e.

The thing is that Balloon Fighter is a different case from say Toad or Krystal. There is no concrete evidence (at this point) that either of the latter 2 are unplayable, but with Balloon Fighter, a character with virtually no relation (Villager) has taken the Balloon Fighters most iconic part in his/her moveset.

One thing about Smash Bros., is that uniqueness is a large part of what makes the game great. Could that move be removed in a later installment and given to Balloon Fighter? Absolutely. But if Balloon Fighter were planned at the start, why would Sakurai give Villager that move? That wouldn't make any sense in the slightest, and we all know that Balloon Fighter is nowhere near the popularity of Sawnic, which means that Sakurai wouldn't make the time to remove that move, then add Balloon Fighter for the sake of adding Balloon Fighter.
Well I never said that he was very likely either. But knowing past experiences (characters like R.O.B., Ness and Toon Link where people were very confident wouldn't make it come to mind) It's for the best not to be too overconfident sometimes, especially when you are dealing with someone like Sakurai. But I do see where you are coming from. I don't think he is that likely either but I'm not sure if I should count him out 100%, really. That's what I meant.
 

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Yeah I do think that Little Mac is very likely too. I'm not too certain about an Awakening character but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if we did get Chrom or Robin or w/e.



Well I never said that he was very likely either. But knowing past experiences (characters like R.O.B., Ness and Toon Link where people were very confident wouldn't make it come to mind) It's for the best not to be too overconfident sometimes, especially when you are dealing with someone like Sakurai. But I do see where you are coming from. I don't think he is that likely either but I'm not sure if I should count him out 100%, really.
My thoughts on R.O.B, Ness, and Toon Link are that they are essentially the same as Toad and Krystal. At the time of debate for each, there wasn't concrete evidence that they were out; Ness especially. There can be a different Toad (blue or regular), Toon Link is still incredibly important to his series, as is Ness, and R.O.B was the wtf historical of the game, so it makes sense that nobody predicted him.

Krystal I can't say anything about. I don't want her in, but I can't say she won't be in.
 

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Yeah I do think that Little Mac is very likely too. I'm not too certain about an Awakening character but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if we did get Chrom or Robin or w/e.



Well I never said that he was very likely either. But knowing past experiences (characters like R.O.B., Ness and Toon Link where people were very confident wouldn't make it come to mind) It's for the best not to be too overconfident sometimes, especially when you are dealing with someone like Sakurai. But I do see where you are coming from. I don't think he is that likely either but I'm not sure if I should count him out 100%, really.
Well we can think characaters are shoo-ins, but I can almost guarantee in any situation that at least one of the characters we generally think are guarantees are not going to show up. Little Mac is definitely one of those characters that many would agree is a shoo-in, based on what has happened up to this point. I would be very surprised if hes not in.

But when you think about how Sakurai has done this before, not including commonplace characters, whether its woth ridley or little mac or k rool or whoever, it might happen again.

Someone out of the giant pool of for sure characters is likely not to show. But who will it be?
 

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My thoughts on R.O.B, Ness, and Toon Link are that they are essentially the same as Toad and Krystal. At the time of debate for each, there wasn't concrete evidence that they were out; Ness especially. There can be a different Toad (blue or regular), Toon Link is still incredibly important to his series, as is Ness, and R.O.B was the wtf historical of the game, so it makes sense that nobody predicted him.

Krystal I can't say anything about. I don't want her in, but I can't say she won't be in.
Yah. R.O.B. was mainly counted out because the subspace enemies made everyone believe that he wouldn't be playable. Ness was mostly counted out because many people believe he was replaced by Lucas and Toon Link.... Well yeah I'm pretty sure you still remember his ordeal. :rolleyes:

But yeah.
 

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Wait, why did people think ROB was out? And I still don't see how having a different colored Toad remedies this situation.
 

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I'm not too sure about that but w/e. I'm not the type of guy to jump into any conclusions so I'd rather wait it out until the full roster is revealed before I say that said characters is definitely going to be in or out with full confidence. but that's just me really. :/
Wise choice. I'll do likewise.
 

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Meh, I don't really care about the Balloon Fighter all that much. Villager already stole his thunder. And the Boxing Ring could be seen as a Punch-Out!! stage of sorts.
 

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Hey, Balloon Fighter has PLENTY. BF would have:

-Balloons (all titles)
-Pump (all titles)
-Flipper (you know, the one that appeared in Melee?)
-The Fish (the one that Ice Climbers stole for their stage)
-Lightning balls
-Lightning bolts
-Bubbles
-Freakishly strong arms if they have to flap like maniacs
-Freakishly strong legs (or at least spikes in their shoes) in order to pop balloons upon touching them.
-Different colored balloons could bounce different heights.


Balloon Fight has WAY more source material than Ice Climbers. Heck, I haven't even brought up Balloon Kid since that has a lot of elements that could be borrowed.
 

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Hey, Balloon Fighter has PLENTY. BF would have:

-Balloons (all titles)
-Pump (all titles)
-Flipper (you know, the one that appeared in Melee?)
-The Fish (the one that Ice Climbers stole for their stage)
-Lightning balls
-Lightning bolts
-Bubbles
-Freakishly strong arms if they have to flap like maniacs
-Freakishly strong legs (or at least spikes in their shoes) in order to pop balloons upon touching them.
-Different colored balloons could bounce different heights.


Balloon Fight has WAY more source material than Ice Climbers. Heck, I haven't even brought up Balloon Kid since that has a lot of elements that could be borrowed.
Interesting, at the very least.
 

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Actually what's people's opinion on the Balloon Kid? The same ones they have for Lip or Balloon Fighter? Or is she just not as iconic as Balloon Fighter and all? Is she stuck with the same problems as Balloon fighter? :/
 

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I supported Alice since Brawl days. I naturally prefer her because her game was awesome. Had a MUCH better single player experience. (I think it supports 2P but I think it's just Classic Balloon Fight style).

It's a really fun game that BF fans should look into. A BF game with a story, I mean, what's not to love?

And more importantly, Alice is not the typical dot-eyed generic Nintendo character named after OBJECT+ACTION, but has an actual name and has an actual motive.
 

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I supported Alice since Brawl days. I naturally prefer her because her game was awesome. Had a MUCH better single player experience. (I think it supports 2P but I think it's just Classic Balloon Fight style).

It's a really fun game that BF fans should look into. A BF game with a story, I mean, what's not to love?

And more importantly, Alice is not the typical dot-eyed generic Nintendo character named after OBJECT+ACTION, but has an actual name and has an actual motive.
That does remind me. I have yet to download Balloon Kid off the 3DS eShop, I haven't even finished Mole Mania yet.... I wouldn't mind if we got a few more characters from the Game Boy generation (or Nintendo handheld games as a whole really) playable in Smash.
 

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What do you think of masked mans chances .. i love him and want him in but idk about it ever comeing true :(
If we get a new Mother character, it's going to be Porky. He's a villain, doesn't use PSI, has a GOD DAMN MECH, and has appeared in EarthBound and Mother 3, so it balances out.
 

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That does remind me. I have yet to download Balloon Kid off the 3DS eShop, I haven't even finished Mole Mania yet.... I wouldn't mind if we got a few more characters from the Game Boy generation (or Nintendo handheld games as a whole really) playable in Smash.
It's a bit on the short side (might be around, if not a little bit shorter than Super Mario Land). The difficulty curve is perfectly balanced IMO.
And it definitely is really fun to play. :)

Haven't played Mole Mania to be honest, is it good? :O
 
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