Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[TheLastJinjo]

Who the hell though 2 Yoshi reps wasn't happening? Those crackheads in the back alley?

The existence of Lucas is what made it dead obvious. There is nothing more for Yoshi.

 

[SchAlternate]

I'm going to look a jerk.

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[Zhadgon]

You obviously don't see the potential of Hanafuda Interesting opinion, but really Sakurai has close ties with KI now. I think it's a different situation from Krystal.

Being part of Pit's taunt? No. There are plenty of gods/goddesses for that.

Where did I say something about Pit's taunt and Palutena chances on being in Smash WiiU / 3DS? I say that Palutena will suffer the same fate as Krystal, is a really high requested character like was Krystal from Brawl, both Series are loved by Sakurai but still for Krystal didn't get in and even Wolf enter first than her, the same can happen to Palutena she can be requested many people but it can suffer the fate of not being in Smash for the simple reason as to why Captain Falcon, Olimar, Yoshi and Wario can represent their games games by themselves.

Saturn learn to read first and then respond and don't put things that I have not wrote if you want that I answer you, you can ask me the why or my opinion of the matter but do not put words on my mouth that I haven´t say.

.n_n.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Who the hell though 2 Yoshi reps wasn't happening? Those crackheads in the back alley?

Birdo... I'm surprised this rep is hardly ever mentioned as a competing Yoshi rep, most people only say Kamek or Baby Bowser, but never Birdo, weird huh.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Where did I say something about Pit's taunt and Palutena chances on being in Smash WiiU / 3DS? I say that Palutena will suffer the same fate as Krystal, is a really high requested character like was Krystal from Brawl, both Series are loved by Sakurai but still for Krystal didn't get in and even Wolf enter first than her, the same can happen to Palutena she can be requested many people but it can suffer the fate of not being in Smash for the simple reason as to why Captain Falcon, Olimar, Yoshi and Wario can represent their games games by themselves.

Do you always make comparisons to newcomers with literally no status similarities? I mean besides "happened" and "didn't happen"?

 

[BluePikmin11]

Where did I say something about Pit's taunt and Palutena chances on being in Smash WiiU / 3DS? I say that Palutena will suffer the same fate as Krystal, is a really high requested character like was Krystal from Brawl, both Series are loved by Sakurai but still for Krystal didn't get in and even Wolf enter first than her, the same can happen to Palutena she can be requested many people but it can suffer the fate of not being in Smash for the simple reason as to why Captain Falcon, Olimar, Yoshi and Wario can represent their games games by themselves.

Saturn learn to read first and then respond and don't put things that I have not wrote if you want that I answer you, you can ask me the why or my opinion of the matter but do not put words on my mouth that I haven´t say.

.n_n.

Wow, now I'm scared that the franchise will be dead like Starfox ;-;

Birdo... I'm surprised this rep is hardly ever mentioned as a competing Yoshi rep, most people only say Kamek or Baby Bowser, but never Birdo, weird huh.

What about Shy Guy?

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Where did I say something about Pit's taunt and Palutena chances on being in Smash WiiU / 3DS? I say that Palutena will suffer the same fate as Krystal, is a really high requested character like was Krystal from Brawl, both Series are loved by Sakurai but still for Krystal didn't get in and even Wolf enter first than her, the same can happen to Palutena she can be requested many people but it can suffer the fate of not being in Smash for the simple reason as to why Captain Falcon, Olimar, Yoshi and Wario can represent their games games by themselves.

Saturn learn to read first and then respond and don't put things that I have not wrote if you want that I answer you, you can ask me the why or my opinion of the matter but do not put words on my mouth that I haven´t say.

.n_n.

That's what happened to Krystal in Brawl when you taunted on Fox's stage as him, sometimes a conversation with the Star Fox crew will occur.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Where did I say something about Pit's taunt and Palutena chances on being in Smash WiiU / 3DS? I say that Palutena will suffer the same fate as Krystal, is a really high requested character like was Krystal from Brawl, both Series are loved by Sakurai but still for Krystal didn't get in and even Wolf enter first than her, the same can happen to Palutena she can be requested many people but it can suffer the fate of not being in Smash for the simple reason as to why Captain Falcon, Olimar, Yoshi and Wario can represent their games games by themselves.

Saturn learn to read first and then respond and don't put things that I have not wrote if you want that I answer you, you can ask me the why or my opinion of the matter but do not put words on my mouth that I haven´t say.

.n_n.

I agree with you. There is a strong possibility Pit can be on his own. I just think Palutena warrants a spot on the roster, as she is pretty important to KI as a whole.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

The existence of Lucas is what made it dead obvious. There is nothing more for Yoshi.

So Baby Mario and Kamek don't exist? OK.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Saturn learn to read first and then respond and don't put things that I have not wrote if you want that I answer you, you can ask me the why or my opinion of the matter but do not put words on my mouth that I haven´t say.

Then why were you so ****ing vague? What was I suppose to assume? What other possible trait could you compare between these 2 characters?

 

[FlareHabanero]

By the way, that taunt argument doesn't exactly hold water. Fox, Falco, and Wolf can appear as either playable or communication depending on who you're playing as. So even if Palutena makes a cameo talking in a smash taunt, it doesn't exactly rule her out as a playable character.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Birdo... I'm surprised this rep is hardly ever mentioned as a competing Yoshi rep, most people only say Kamek or Baby Bowser, but never Birdo, weird huh.

If you never played the Yoshi series, yes I guess that would be weird.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Honestly, I'm confident Palutena will get in. Not 100% sure, but confident. However, even if she doesn't get in, I don't care. I like the three newcomers we've seen, and I have Toon Link in HD. That's all I need. And Mewtwo....

 

[Zhadgon]

The difference is that Palutena has credible support, and is a best option for KI franchise. Krystal did not win out. We got Wolf instead. I see that makes sense, we have the hero, villain, and the sidekick over another minor member of StarFox. The reason Krystal's non-inclusion was so loud was because that fanbase is extremely loud, or at the time.

Palutena has been consistent, and there is no other character from KI that could "get in the way" of her appearance.

Is not that Palutean dosen´t have competition in Kid Icarus but she is competing against all these characters to get a spot: Ridley, King K. Rool, Dixie Kong, Little Mac, Takamaru, Miis, Pac-Man, Roy, Chrom, Mewtwo, Toad, Isaac, Shulk, Starfy and many more characters.
.n_n.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

If you never played the Yoshi series, yes I guess that would be weird.

I played them, before I mentioned Birdo because when you think of him/her you also think Yoshi, probably because of Double Dash.

 

[SchAlternate]

By the way, that taunt argument doesn't exactly hold water. Fox, Falco, and Wolf can appear as either playable or communication depending on who you're playing as. So even if Palutena makes a cameo talking in a smash taunt, it doesn't exactly rule her out as a playable character.

Imagine Pit using his Smash Taunt while Palutena is on the stage. The awkwardness would be so grandiose, it may as well be the only reason I'd ever get the game.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Imagine Pit using his Smash Taunt while Palutena is on the stage. The awkwardness would be so grandiose, it may as well be the only reason I'd ever get the game.

Oh man I just had a thought, Sakurai should show off Pit's codecs showing Palutena talking to Pit. That way everyone will think this will deconfirm Palutena.

 

[Chandeelure]

Birdo... I'm surprised this rep is hardly ever mentioned as a competing Yoshi rep, most people only say Kamek or Baby Bowser, but never Birdo, weird huh.

I say Shy Guy

 

[kikaru]

I think a character's personality can be incorporated into one of Sakurai's rules: Does the character want to make people play the game?

A lot of qualities beyond moveset can also assist in portraying a character as well. We can look at characters like Game&Watch and R.O.B. for example and notice a lot of uniquely quirky animations characteristic to them that help give the character, well, more character. Game&Watch moves around the stage very rigidly unlike the remainder of the crew who have some flow in their movement animations, we can also see the quirkiness in R.O.B.'s idle animations for example as he readjusts himself in a sporadic, robotic-like fashion.

With some characters you might have to look deeper but we can use Ice Climbers as an example. When either Nana or Popo is KO-ed either both of them are KO-ed or you proceed to play the remainder of that stock with one Ice Climber. This signifies a type of bond between Popo and Nana in which your odds of victory are hampered if your partner is KO-ed and that you the two must work together as a tag team duo to conquer the greatest of mountains. And with that you often find yourself going hero mode to save your partner if they're flung off the stage.

In essence movesets aren't the only factor that makes characters desirable, it's really a culmination of other characteristics that manifests whether or not a character will be enjoyable to play.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

Birdo... I'm surprised this rep is hardly ever mentioned as a competing Yoshi rep, most people only say Kamek or Baby Bowser, but never Birdo, weird huh.

Birdo has never appeared in a Yoshi game (I think?), therefor she wouldn't count as a Yoshi rep.
EDIT: Also her trophy in Brawl was under Mario (Right?)

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

I played them, before I mentioned Birdo because when you think of him/her you also think Yoshi, probably because of Double Dash.

I always saw Birdo as a character for the Yoshi series too, but it doesn't make sense when you think about it.
The only association Birdo has with Yoshi is being paired up with him in racing and spin-off games; Birdo has never played any major roles in a Yoshi game.

I could say the same, more or less, about Waluigi being a character for the Wario series, except the difference is that Waluigi was created for the purpose of being related to Wario, while Birdo originally had nothing to do with Yoshi, or the Mario games in general. (Doki Doki Panic)

Not sure if that difference really means anything, though.

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[kingmario92]

Birdo... I'm surprised this rep is hardly ever mentioned as a competing Yoshi rep, most people only say Kamek or Baby Bowser, but never Birdo, weird huh.

Birdo never appeared in a Yoshi game though

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I say Shy Guy

...............I actually agree with this. And not as just as a request.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Is not that Palutean dosen´t have competition in Kid Icarus but she is competing against all these characters to get a spot: Ridley, King K. Rool, Dixie Kong, Little Mac, Takamaru, Miis, Pac-Man, Roy, Chrom, Mewtwo, Toad, Isaac, Shulk, Starfy and many more characters.
.n_n.

Okay, I see what you mean now. I thought you were just comparing Krystal to Wolf alone.

But yeah, Palutena has competition.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Pale Tuna has to compete with Pac-Man, Chrom, Shulk, Starfy, and a deconfirmed character? I think not.

 

[Zhadgon]

Do you always make comparisons to newcomers with literally no status similarities? I mean besides "happened" and "didn't happen"?

What explain yourself? For god sake I´m trying my hardest here to understand what the **** you are writing and only say "happened" and "didn't happen" as answers? what does that mean?
Let me get this clear, Pit can represent his series by himself as what did happen in Smash Brawl where characters like Captain Falcon, Olimar, Yoshi, Wario, Ice Climbers and Mr. G&W did the same. Not only that, each of this series have the potential to get a character too like Black Shadow, Samurai Goroh, Kamek, Ashley, Captain Syrup, Polar Bear, Baby Bowser, John Solver, etc. all of them can be potential characters too.
And one last thing we need to remember that Sakurai said that we will recieve less new comers than Brawl this time that means Palutena is competing against these characters too: King K. Rool, Ridley, Dixie Kong, Chrom, Roy, Little Mac, Miis, Takamaru, Pac-Man, Mewtwo, Isaac, Shulk and many more.
.n_n.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I don't think the competition is as drastic as people say.

Simply put, Palutena's main advantage over other characters is that she already has a strong presence in the Super Smash Bros. series, despite being regulated to cameos. It's a similar reason as to why Ridley would be a strong choice, there is already a sense of familiarity at play so it wouldn't be out of the left field.

 

[TumblrFamous]

I don't think the competition is as drastic as people say.

Simply put, Palutena's main advantage over other characters is that she already has a strong presence in the Super Smash Bros. series, despite being regulated to cameos. It's a similar reason as to why Ridley would be a strong choice, there is already a sense of familiarity at play so it wouldn't be out of the left field.

*Agrees to your smart post* *looks at your profile picture*

"Hey, what's on Goomy's h-"

Oh.

 

[Arcadenik]

I really think Duck Hunt Dog would make people want to play Smash... he is not Diskun or Hanafunda or Sheriff... they are too obscure and too bizarre... at least with Duck Hunt Dog, he is actually recognizable and infamous and many gamers from the 80's would love to have their revenge on Duck Hunt Dog for laughing at them whenever they missed a duck. And if he is given a crazy moveset that pays homage to Duck Hunt with some creative liberties (flying with ducks, using ducks like they are brick-filled rubber chicken) that lends to an unique playstyle... I think the addition would be worth it in the long run. Just my opinion...

 

[BluePikmin11]

I really think Duck Hunt Dog would make people want to play Smash... he is not Diskun or Hanafunda or Sheriff... they are too obscure and too bizarre... at least with Duck Hunt Dog, he is actually recognizable and infamous and many gamers from the 80's would love to have their revenge on Duck Hunt Dog for laughing at them whenever they missed a duck. And if he is given a crazy moveset that pays homage to Duck Hunt with some creative liberties (flying with ducks, using ducks like they are brick-filled rubber chicken) that lends to an unique playstyle... I think the addition would be worth it in the long run. Just my opinion...

Hanafuda is still popular and still sold in Japan today you know.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

What explain yourself? For god sake I´m trying my hardest here to understand what the **** you are writing and only say "happened" and "didn't happen" as answers? what does that mean?

You said Palutena will suffer the same fate as Krystal. You're comparing these two characters based on the assumption that Palutena will not be in Smash, like Krystal. This seems like a really random comparison. Couldn't you have compared her to anybody who didn't get in into Smash? You're comparing these two characters on nothing except them "not happening." Their chances are not comparable, their reasons for being nominees are not comparable. So you can pretty much compare Palutena to anybody since we are just comparing characters that "didn't happen."

 

[TumblrFamous]

I really think Duck Hunt Dog would make people want to play Smash... he is not Diskun or Hanafunda or Sheriff... they are too obscure and too bizarre... at least with Duck Hunt Dog, he is actually recognizable and infamous and many gamers from the 80's would love to have their revenge on Duck Hunt Dog for laughing at them whenever they missed a duck. And if he is given a crazy moveset that pays homage to Duck Hunt with some creative liberties (flying with ducks, using ducks like they are brick-filled rubber chicken) that lends to an unique playstyle... I think the addition would be worth it in the long run. Just my opinion...

I will be honest. I used to hate the idea. Like really really hate it. Ive warmed up to DHD. He makes perfect sense to add into the game, and thar would be possibly the most creative moveset they could ever make.

 

[SchAlternate]

ISimply put, Palutena's main advantage over other characters is that she already has a strong presence in the Super Smash Bros. series, despite being regulated to cameos. It's a similar reason as to why Ridley would be a strong choice, there is already a sense of familiarity at play so it wouldn't be out of the left field.

I guess the same could applied to Lip, am I right?

*gets slapped with a rubber chicken*

 

[BluePikmin11]

I will be honest. I used to hate the idea. Like really really hate it. Ive warmed up to DHD. He makes perfect sense to add into the game, and thar would be possibly the most creative moveset they could ever make.

I imagine DHD as as have an annoying playstyle, where he has unpredictable attacks and surprises for the opponent all around.

 

[FlareHabanero]

*Agrees to your smart post* *looks at your profile picture*

"Hey, what's on Goomy's h-"

Oh.

 

[Knight Dude]

Wow, now I'm scared that the franchise will be dead like Starfox ;-;



What about Shy Guy?

Shy Guy wrecks house. You don't even know son! He'd probably be over-powered.

But seriously, Minions will likely not be playable characters, not even cool ones like Space Pirates and Hammer Bros. And Yoshi, in my personal opinion needs no other characters. I feel that even Kamek wouldn't feel right, its technically another standard enemy like the Koopas and the Goombas.

 

[SchAlternate]

I imagine DHD as as have an annoying playstyle, where he has unpredictable attacks and surprises for the opponent all around.

DHD for ungodly broken tier.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I'm going to see what this Goomy business is all about once I get Pokemon Y.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I will be honest. I used to hate the idea. Like really really hate it. Ive warmed up to DHD. He makes perfect sense to add into the game, and thar would be possibly the most creative moveset they could ever make.

Not as creative as Mii. And I still think he's better off as an Assist Trophy. Doing exactly the opposite of what the name implies.

Hanafuda is still popular and still sold in Japan today you know.

Then it's possible, and maybe likely. But not that much. I still don't see much priority in it and think it is better off as a stage. As long as we have a shape shifting character that's idle form is not a real person or a box with limbs. But, then again, while the moves you suggested represent Hanafuda, they don't really represent anything UNIQUE to Hanafuda. Deers, Frogs, and the other things on the cards while having unique artwork just seems generic and represents life more than it does Hanafuda. So he suffers a similar problem to Dr. Kawashima, just not as terrible.

 

[Arcadenik]

Duck Hunt Dog doesn't get many requests but at least he is requested more often than Hanafuda. It also helps that Duck Hunt Dog is very recognizable and iconic... unless you try to counter by saying more people know Napoleon which he is not. How is that for perspective?