Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[BluePikmin11]

Imagine him and Starfy as characters, hard to tell the two ****ers apart.

I only will have to look at their eyes and shape for a noticable difference.

 

[Morbi]

If you understand the core of the statement, then you shouldn't be questioning a point irrelevant to it.

Despite Namco's assistance, Sakurai is not obligated to include one of their characters, not even Pac-Man.
He can just as easily not include him or any of their characters, as the purpose for Namco being there is to make the gameplay the best that it can due to their expertise in the fighting genre.
Pac-Man would just be an easily implemented side bonus should Sakurai decide upon it, as that decision falls squarely on his shoulders, not Namco's (as Harada and Yosh-ito have brought up in regards to their franchises, Tekken and Tales).

That is what I was saying. Namco "being the only reason Sakurai would even consider Pac-Man" is irrelevant to my statement (and is false in itself).

Really, after all of my disclaimers you STILL misinterpret what I say. I already know what you were getting at, as I mentioned in my post.

Also, care to elaborate on that last notion? I attempting to figure out how it is false, doesn't seem like it is fallacious unless you want to water it down to the possibility that Pacman COULD have been considered by Sakurai for SOME irrelevant and arbitrary reason. In which case, the statement would be erroneous. However, the chances of that? It seems pretty impossible to dispute that his statement is inherently false if Pacman is included. I mean one could reach for the "but he is a VG legend argument", not the most prolific argument around.

You yourself even mentioned that he was somewhat of a "gateway". Here is the quote.
Pac-Man won't get in because of Namco.
If Pac-Man gets in (which I am expecting) it will be because Sakurai wants it to happen. Namco being the ones to co-develop the games only serves as "easy access" if you will.

 

[Deleted member]

...I'm not even going to bother at this point.
History seems to repeat itself.
I say something, you misinterpret it while claiming I'm wrong (yet also claim you agree with what I say), you act like I misinterpret what you say when I respond, a fight breaks out, and so on and so forth.

So no. I'm stopping it here.

I'm out, dawg.

 

[BKupa666]

Here's a question. Out of all the newcomers you want to see, who would be the first one you'd main?

I'd like to think I dual-main Bowser 3.0 and K. Rool; competitively, I'd probably end up primarily using whichever of the two was more dominant, though you can bet they'd both have my top two most-played character slots on lockdown. Following them would be all of the other heavyweights, veteran and newcomer (Ridley, if he's not too deceptively light), as well as Bowser Jr. if he became a last-minute semi-clone.

 

[Morbi]

...I'm not even going to bother at this point.
History seems to repeat itself.
I say something, you misinterpret it while claiming I'm wrong (yet also claim you agree with what I say), you act like I misinterpret what you say when I respond, a fight breaks out, and so on and so forth.

So no. I'm stopping it here.

Yeah, go ahead and play that game. I quoted your contradiction right there, you cannot explain it. Simple.

I understand what you are getting at, I am not disputing anything in your post aside from the portion in parenthesis. An explanation would take... maybe 2 minutes? I will quote it for you.
(and is false in itself).
That small portion is the only thing I am curious about as it contradicts your earlier post. Nothing else needs to be elaborated on.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

So I was fooling around and made this:
View attachment 3735

That's ****ing Awesome! I just need to find one with the official Diskun eyes and round edges to his feet and hands while maintaing a fully square body with round edges.
(bu this is cool so I'll stash it in my picture folder fer lookin'.)

 

[YoshiandToad]

Here's a question. Out of all the newcomers you want to see, who would be the first one you'd main?

Newcomers I want to see?

Toad.

LIKELY Newcomers?

Errr...maybe Pac-Man? I don't really give much of a damn about the other potential newcomers, but I'd probably main Roy if he returned, or depending on how he was reworked; Mewtwo.

 

[Deleted member]

Funny how I'm trying to avoid getting into another senseless argument, yet you seem more than willing to try to provoke me into it, Morbid.

 

[Morbi]

Funny how I'm trying to avoid getting into another senseless argument, yet you seem more than willing to try to provoke me into it, Morbid.

I am not trying to provoke you, I am just wondering why the statement is false (despite you agreeing with the notion earlier). I apologize, if you want to drop it, I wont question it any further.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Here's a question. Out of all the newcomers you want to see, who would be the first one you'd main?

Everyone in my sig + Reggiémon Trainer.

 

[SuperBrawler]

We need more awesome looking art like the fake Ness art and the K. Rool art in the K. Rool thread. And the P:M artwork.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I'm looking for a body structure more chibi and round edged like this:

that looks more like the actual Diskun, but he's standing on his left foot, with his right foot up only to where his heel touches the floor, and while his left hand is up waving his right hand remains as it would on the original Diskun icon pose. As if he's making a "Tah-dah!" pose and maybe winking with his right eye. All while maintaining the original diskun eyes and color.

Does anybody know where I should look on Deviant Art for someone who can make that?

 

[Morbi]

I'm looking for a body structure more chibi and round edged like this:
View attachment 3738
that looks more like the actual Diskun, but he's standing on his left foot, with his right foot up only to where his heel touches the floor, and while his left hand is up waving his right hand remains as it would on the original Diskun icon pose. As if he's making a "Tah-dah!" pose and maybe winking with his right eye. All while maintaining the original diskun eyes and color.

Does anybody know where I should look on Deviant Art for someone who can make that?

No.

 

[Knight Dude]

So I was fooling around and made this:
View attachment 3735

That reminds me, I need to practice more. You're style is pretty dynamic and clean, I like it.

 

[SchAlternate]

I'm looking for a body structure more chibi and round edged like this:
View attachment 3738
that looks more like the actual Diskun, but he's standing on his left foot, with his right foot up only to where his heel touches the floor, and while his left hand is up waving his right hand remains as it would on the original Diskun icon pose. As if he's making a "Tah-dah!" pose and maybe winking with his right eye. All while maintaining the original diskun eyes and color.

Does anybody know where I should look on Deviant Art for someone who can make that?

I've heard that this guy is pretty good. He has an awesome gallery!

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I've heard that this guy is pretty good. He has an awesome gallery!

Oh, sweet! Can you make another one as described? Based off the picture (but with real Diskun color and eyes?)

That'ds be sooooooooo cool!

 

[Deleted member]

@Morbid: And here's the part where I explain the point you misinterpreted only to get an accusation that I misinterpreted what you said in return and/or a claim that you "already get what I said" and/or a claim how I'm just flatout wrong, but here goes.

What I said:

If Pac-Man gets in (which I am expecting) it will be because Sakurai wants it to happen. Namco being the ones to co-develop the games only serves as "easy access" if you will.

This is not a contradiction.
By "easy access", I'm referring to the fact Sakurai's already in a position to make negotiations with Namco about it since they're "right there" as compared to having to contact Capcom about Mega Man and getting the legal rights taken care of.
Without Namco's presence already, the same strenuous processes he had to go through to get Mega Man would have to be applied to Pac-Man as well.

This is not saying that he wouldn't have considered Pac-Man without Namco's presence. Though what I am saying (which is not the same thing) is that Sakurai wouldn't have really found the effort worth it after Mega Man, Sonic's return, and Snake's hypothetical return already being so strenuous.
Though considering who Pac-Man is, there's a pretty big chance that he would have been next in line after Mega Man for guests seen as "special cases".

 

[Bowserlick]

Let us all just agree that Pacman has been already added ages ago.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Let us all just agree that Pacman has been already added ages ago.

No?

----

 

[Bowserlick]

You spelled yes wrong. Do you even use spellcheck?

 

[FlareHabanero]

Here's a question. Out of all the newcomers you want to see, who would be the first one you'd main?

First off, this is basically dependent on IF they show up. Since I'm not involved with development at all, I cannot say for certain which characters would show up.

But let me dwell into this. For a main, I kind of want to get for a character that has an emphasis on speed. I like characters that emphasize speed, but at the same time I am not afraid to pick up a character that is kind of sluggish, as long as it's compensated by other attributes. I would also like a character that is kind of brings something distinctive to the table, and being able to utilize it to the fullest. For the record, I'm kind of pushing for Takamaru, Shulk, Lip, Little Mac, Ridley, and Palutena in particular. I'll probably prioritize Takamaru first, or if he's not available work my way (roughly) down until I get something that fits. But, I'll still play as varies characters for the sake of being broad.

 

[Bowserlick]

Would you say Wii Fit Trainer calls to you more than the Villager or Megaman? Does she fit your need for speed appetite?

 

[Knight Dude]

If Megaman counts I pick him, he was my most wanted newcomer. Normally I use jack of all trades like Mario. Or use faster characters Like Fox and Sheik. So, using a long range fighter would be interesting too, and it would give me a chance to different.

If we are talking unconfirmed characters, I'd say either Ridley or Little Mac. With Little Mac, I've played boxer characters in other games like Steve Fox in Tekken, so I'd be interested in how Smash could use this archetype. And Ridley, well I've used heavy hitters like Bowser and Ganon on different occasions, I found their styles cool, but nothing made me main them. But I feel Ridley might be a bit more agile than those two.

 

[Morbi]

@Morbid: And here's the part where I explain the point you misinterpreted only to get an accusation that I misinterpreted what you said in return and/or a claim that you "already get what I said" and/or a claim how I'm just flatout wrong, but here goes.

What I said:


This is not a contradiction.
By "easy access", I'm referring to the fact Sakurai's already in a position to make negotiations with Namco about it since they're "right there" as compared to having to contact Capcom about Mega Man and getting the legal rights taken care of.
Without Namco's presence already, the same strenuous processes he had to go through to get Mega Man would have to be applied to Pac-Man as well.

This is not saying that he wouldn't have considered Pac-Man without Namco's presence. Though what I am saying (which is not the same thing) is that Sakurai wouldn't have really found the effort worth it after Mega Man, Sonic's return, and Snake's hypothetical return already being so strenuous.
Though considering who Pac-Man is, there's a pretty big chance that he would have been next in line after Mega Man for guests seen as "special cases".

Ah. Thank you, that is all I was wondering. So you really honestly believe that Namco had NO influence whatsoever on Pacman's inclusion, if he were to be included (hypothetical situation). That is the part that is difficult to grasp, you would think that working with them would inherently entail that Sakurai considered the addition just based on the collaboration. You would almost have to purposefully reject what a rational person would begin to plan for. You know what I mean? You would have to intentionally dismiss the notion, because it is so "in your face".

Honestly, we both keep on misinterpreting each other. It isn't a one way street, it is fine though. That is part of the internet. It would be ridiculous to assume that everybody would completely and utterly grasp what you are saying. Especially because we all refine our own diction. I don't want to go back to the pattern dispute, but I was using more of a mathematical or literal definition. You were using a more applied definition. None of us were wrong, we were just talking about different things that were similar in nature. I think the problem has more to do with the premise that we are both assholes to be honest.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Would you say Wii Fit Trainer calls to you more than the Villager or Megaman? Does she fit your need for speed appetite?

I don't exactly have a strong opinion on Wii Fit Trainer yet considering the lack of hands-on experience, but I wouldn't be afraid to try her out either. Same deal for Mega Man and Villager.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

Pac-man argument? Good gravy.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Pac-man argument? Good gravy.

Depends, what kind of gravy are we talking here?

 

[TumblrFamous]

Depends, what kind of gravy are we talking here?

The gravy kind.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

The gravy kind.

the good kind*

 

[Depressed Gengar]

Depends, what kind of gravy are we talking here?

The kind Chef Kawasaki makes.

 

[Espio264]

Funny how I'm trying to avoid getting into another senseless argument, yet you seem more than willing to try to provoke me into it, Morbid.

I love it when you use annoyed Aku. Smash needs a giant, shapeshifter/ rad villain. It'd really tie things together nicely. Also, here's something I did in college:

 

[Louie G.]

We should collaborate sometimes... once I get a good art tablet...

You draw, you like cartoons, AND you love Smash?
I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship...

 

[APC99]

You draw, you like cartoons, AND you love Smash?
I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship...

 

[Espio264]

You draw, you like cartoons, AND you love Smash?
I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship...

Who's to say the rest of us don't draw, love cartoons and love Smash?

Because I do, do and verily do.

 

[Deleted member]

Ah. Thank you, that is all I was wondering. So you really honestly believe that Namco had NO influence whatsoever on Pacman's inclusion, if he were to be included (hypothetical situation). That is the part that is difficult to grasp, you would think that working with them would inherently entail that Sakurai considered the addition just based on the collaboration. You would almost have to purposefully reject what a rational person would begin to plan for. You know what I mean? You would have to intentionally dismiss the notion, because it is so "in your face".

The issue with that is that Sakurai outright expressed that Namco's not getting special treatment solely because they're working on Smash.
With that in mind as well as Harada's and Yoshi-to's statements about their characters being up to Sakurai's discretion kind of puts the idea that Sakurai truly calls the shots in that regard, with little to no influence from Namco themselves.
That is of course, doing what a rational person would do; take evidence that is there and forming a logical standpoint. That is not to say assuming the collaboration is a major influence isn't being rational, but it is not the only rational line of thought.

Honestly, we both keep on misinterpreting each other. It isn't a one way street, it is fine though. That is part of the internet. It would be ridiculous to assume that everybody would completely and utterly grasp what you are saying. Especially because we all refine our own diction. I don't want to go back to the pattern dispute, but I was using more of a mathematical or literal definition. You were using a more applied definition. None of us were wrong, we were just talking about different things that were similar in nature. I think the problem has more to do with the premise that we are both *******s to be honest.

I won't argue with that.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Good Evening all, hope you're all doing well. Sorry I was off yesterday, I had things to do and people to see, so I come today with some good news...Golden...your request is finally done!

Spoiler

Hope you enjoy it, and again I apologize for the wait. ^^;

Anyways, since it's been a good sum of pages since I was last here, can someone please fill me in on what I missed?

 

[FlareHabanero]

Anyways, since it's been a good sum of pages since I was last here, can someone please fill me in on what I missed?

 

[Louie G.]

Anyways, since it's been a good sum of pages since I was last here, can someone please fill me in on what I missed?

Well, Bidoof made a thread about a Pokémon-Trainer type Reggie character, and you missed a few Aku gifs.
Not much really.

 

[Deleted member]

Good Evening all, hope you're all doing well. Sorry I was off yesterday, I had things to do and people to see, so I come today with some good news...Golden...your request is finally done!

Spoiler

Hope you enjoy it, and again I apologize for the wait. ^^;

Anyways, since it's been a good sum of pages since I was last here, can someone please fill me in on what I missed?

Sweet! Thank you very much!

 

[Hotfeet444]

Ah, well...I figured as much, nothing but spinning links today too anyways. Well, at least I was able to get some work done and a request that was a long-time coming.