Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Espio264]

There's this picture, by some talented artist, that's been floating around the internet since before Brawl:

If you look to the top right corner, there's a character who I assume is Andross in a anthropomorphic form. If Andross were included in this game, (and presumably not a Fox clone) would you accept him as a cool, unexpected newcomer? I think it'd be pretty sweet.

Hah, also if you notice, Peach has a Blue Toad.

 

[Deleted member]

This thread.
It needs less derp and more POSING FOR THE FANS.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I actually disagree. I think he's perfectly viable. I'm just not sure how he compares to other Third Parties in terms of priority.

I think Bomberman would be a better choice.

If you like the moveset play as Captain Falcon.
Changing him wouldn't make him any worse than he is now.

Captain Falcon doesn't do it for me. Ganondorf's move set is way better. This is like telling me if I want to play as Lucas to go back and play Brawl. Changing Ganondorf's move set would be hell.

 

[SchAlternate]

It wouldn't. They'd be taking a VERY enjoyable move set that fits him well and changing him into something crappy.

Oh, Jesus Lord! Not this again!!!!

While I disagree with him having and absolutely revamped moveset, I'd say they ought to give him a weapon (preferably a trident) for him to use on him standard moves. The only alteration they'd have to make is to improve his range, something that Ganondorf could really use.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

While I disagree with him having and absolutely revamped moveset, I'd say they ought to give him a weapon (preferably a trident) for him to use on him standard moves. The only alteration they'd have to make is to improve his range, something that Ganondorf could really use.

Giving him a trident or sword wouldn't really make him any more unique than he is now.

 

[XStarWarriorX]

I actually disagree. I think he's perfectly viable. I'm just not sure how he compares to other Third Parties in terms of priority.

Oh he is. It's just that he to compete with snake and pacman, and since sakurai doesn't want a ton of third party's, that why I said he might have missed his chance, unless namco doesn't get anything and sakurai wants him, it's a small chance though.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

This thread.
It needs less derp and more POSING FOR THE FANS.

He's got the pose, but does he have the moves to back him up?

 

[Arcadenik]

If Ganondorf's moveset is completely changed, who should get Ganondorf's old moveset?

Give it to Captain Falcon... This way, Captain Falcon keeps his speed but his power is increased. Just like in Smash 64.

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

I think Bomberman would be a better choice.

Better, probably. More likely, though, is a different case altogether.

 

[Frostwraith]

Oh, Jesus Lord! Not this again!!!!

What a compelling argument. :smirks:

Why would Ganondorf share the same animations and moves as Captain Falcon? At least the space furries, the PSI kids, Pikachu and Pichu, both Links make sense as clones, given they're similar characters from the same universe and overall have the same combat skills as one another, but Falcon and Ganondorf?

Sakurai even admitted that the reason Ganondorf was added was because he was highly requested and had a similar build as Falcon, so it was just copy-paste, tweak and voilà Ganon in Melee, completely disregarding unique moves he has in Ocarina of Time and, after Melee, with Twilight Princess and Wind Waker added to the mix.

Like I said, he could have a similar playstyle by being heavy, slow hard hitter. Just give him some unique moves. Brawl already tweaked him more and that was good, but I'd like to see a major overhaul like Sakurai did with Bowser. His Down Special could be the move he uses in OoT where he smashes the ground and breaks part of the floor. Similar to his Melee and Brawl Down B, but tweaked.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

If Ganondorf's moveset is completely changed, who should get Ganondorf's old moveset?

Young Ganondorf

 

[Autumn ♫]

I think Bomberman would be a better choice.


Captain Falcon doesn't do it for me. Ganondorf's move set is way better. This is like telling me if I want to play as Lucas to go back and play Brawl. Changing Ganondorf's move set would be hell.

Ganondorf is almost the exact thing as Captain Falcon only slower and heavier, it'd be better to just give him a new moveset that actually represents what he does in the games. Also, Lucas is completely different than Ness, with only slight simularities to his Special Attacks and having the same Final Smash.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I actually disagree. I think he's perfectly viable. I'm just not sure how he compares to other Third Parties in terms of priority.

If Sakurai were to plan on Layton, then he could be developed to promote Layton 7.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Young Ganondorf

Nah, it's gotta be Toon Ganondorf getting Ganondorf's moveset. His taunt is pulling out two swords and holding them menacingly.

 

[Arcadenik]

Young Ganondorf

You mean Yuga?

 

[SchAlternate]

Giving him a trident or sword wouldn't really make him any more unique than he is now.

B*llocks. When's the last time you've seen a smasher with a trident?

Besides, it's just a range boost. The moves would still behave like they always did, only with additional range.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Giving him a trident or sword wouldn't really make him any more unique than he is now.

Trident, yes.
Sword, no.

 

[Arcadenik]

Nah, it's gotta be Toon Ganondorf getting Ganondorf's moveset. His taunt is pulling out two swords and holding it menacingly.

I really want Toon Ganondorf to replace Ganondorf just so Ganondorf can finally have swords and not be a clone of Captain Falcon anymore... while Ganondorf's old moveset is reabsorbed back to Captain Falcon's moveset (speed + power = SSB64 Falcon Punch!)

 

[TumblrFamous]

I really want Toon Ganondorf to replace Ganondorf just so Ganondorf can finally have swords and not be a clone of Captain Falcon anymore... while Ganondorf's old moveset is reabsorbed back to Captain Falcon's moveset (speed + power = SSB64 Falcon Punch!)

Or, or. Another option.

DECLONE GANONDORF.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

What a compelling argument. :smirks:

No it's people complaining about clones being wasted space/potential again. :smirks:

Why would Ganondorf share the same animations and moves as Captain Falcon? At least the space furries, the PSI kids, Pikachu and Pichu, both Links make sense as clones, given they're similar characters from the same universe and overall have the same combat skills as one another, but Falcon and Ganondorf?

It makes perfect sense. C. Falcon's move set didn't originate from F-Zero. It originated from Super Smash Brothers. Ganondorf's physical strength originated from Zelda, so Sakurai giving him this move set makes perfect sense, you are just under the illusion that it doesn't because an unrelated character with a move set that is nothing more than basic punching and kicking has it. It makes just as much sense for Ganondorf to have it as it does Captain Falcon.

Sakurai even admitted that the reason Ganondorf was added was because he was highly requested and had a similar build as Falcon, so it was just copy-paste, tweak and voilà Ganon in Melee, completely disregarding unique moves he has in Ocarina of Time and, after Melee, with Twilight Princess and Wind Waker added to the mix.

Define unique. I wouldn't consider those things much more unique compared to what we already have. It seems like a waste of time to do this when what he does is perfectly viable and enjoyable.

His Down Special could be the move he uses in OoT where he smashes the ground and breaks part of the floor. Similar to his Melee and Brawl Down B, but tweaked.

It doesn't seem very necessary since it's almost the same thing. You seem to have proven my point that the current move set fits him since you suggested something from Zelda that is very similar to what he already does.

Ganondorf currently uses magic combined with his physical strength. The perfect move set.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Or, or. Another option.

DECLONE GANONDORF.

That idea is impossible! You're a madman!

Everyone knows that changing anything is an insult to Ganondorf! BLASPHEMY!

 

[Arcadenik]

Or, or. Another option.

DECLONE GANONDORF.

It is still the same thing... they are both Ganondorf... might as well name Toon Ganondorf "Ganondorf" just to make people sleep better knowing that Ganondorf didn't get replaced by Toon Ganondorf.

 

[YeppersPeppers]

All I need out of Ganondorf is a few changes to some of his neutral attacks and specials. Other than that, I'm perfectly fine with him sharing some moves with Captain Falcon. ~

 

[Autumn ♫]

It is still the same thing... they are both Ganondorf... might as well name Toon Ganondorf "Ganondorf" just to make people sleep better knowing that Ganondorf didn't get replaced by Toon Ganondorf.

I personally wouldn't like it, I'd rather have Decloned Ganondorf and Vaati.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Ganondorf is almost the exact thing as Captain Falcon only slower and heavier, it'd be better to just give him a new moveset that actually represents what he does in the games.

That does represent what he actually does in the games. And who cares if it didn't. Lots of character have move sets not based on what they actually do in the game. And Ganondorf is still pretty different than C. Falcon.

Trident, yes.
Sword, no.

How?

 

[Deleted member]

That idea is impossible! You're a madman!

Unrelated, but I placed a request for a Rhythm Heaven Wrestler pic a while back.
Has that been finished yet? (If you already posted it, I have not seen it)

 

[Hotfeet444]

Unrelated, but I placed a request for a Rhythm Heaven Wrestler pic a while back.
Has that been finished yet? (If you already posted it, I have not seen it)

Sorry about the long delay, it is actually about 85% finished, but college has taken away so damn much of my time to do ANYTHING, and after a certain "accident" causing me to have to help my family out during the afternoon on certain days, my schedule is usually bustling. I'll try to finish it tomorrow when I come home from classes, I have this coming tuesday off too anyways.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Ganondorf Moveset:

Spoiler

• Jab- It's fine as it is.
• Forward A- Maybe a thrust with his sword/trident.
• Up A- Against, fine as it is.
• Down A- Fine, just make it faster.
• Dash- Again, fine, just make it faster.
• Forward Smash- Keep the thrust, just make it faster and have a larger darkness effect around him.
• Down Smash- Thrusts sword into the ground, creating a small shockwave of darkness around him.
• Up Smash- Fine as it is.
• Most of his aerials can remain the same, just make them a bit more magical. Like his F-Air and B-Air have sweetspotted darkness effects.
• Neutral B- Dead Man's Volley.
• Down B- Mega Shockwave. He jumps up and slams his fist into the ground, creating a larger shockwave than his Down Smash. Like Bowser's Bomb, only slower and stronger.
• Side B- Perfectly fine as it is.
• Up B- Levitation, like in OoT. Same startup, only when he does that jump, he stays in the air with his arms folded across his chest.

Something I came up with in a jiffy.

 

[FlareHabanero]

How?

Trident hasn't been done before, while a sword has.

Simply thinking with diversity it mind.

 

[Autumn ♫]

That does represent what he actually does in the games. And who cares if it didn't. Lots of character have move sets not based on what they actually do in the game. And Ganondorf is still pretty different than C. Falcon.

Not really, I've never seen Ganondorf use any of those moves before. Who cares if it doesn't?! People that actually want a unique Ganondorf that uses moves he has in his games. Why not make Falcon stronger like he was in 64? Then you have the best of both worlds for Captain Falcon.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Not really, I've never seen Ganondorf use any of those moves before.

You've never seen Ganondorf, punch, choke, use shadow powers, physical strenghth, or electricity?

 

[TumblrFamous]

It is still the same thing... they are both Ganondorf... might as well name Toon Ganondorf "Ganondorf" just to make people sleep better knowing that Ganondorf didn't get replaced by Toon Ganondorf.

I know. But it would make me feel better if it was just same old Ganondorf. Like you said, I would sleep better knowing that.

Plus, I don't like Toon Ganondorf's look. The one thing I never liked about WW.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Trident hasn't been done before, while a sword has.

Simply thinking with diversity it mind.

Well, just because it hasn't been done before doesn't make it unique. Same goes in vice versa.

 

[Autumn ♫]

You've never seen Ganondorf, punch, choke, use shadow powers, physical strenghth, or electricity?

Not like he does in Brawl and Melee, no not really and he does plenty more than that. He uses magic, trident, and a sword.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Not like he does in Brawl and Melee, no not really and he does plenty more than that. He uses magic, trident, and a sword.

So what? I don't see Ness using PSI that way in the game, Bowser scratching people, Luigi using the green missile, Olimar's Pikmin Chain, or Donkey Kong headbutting people. Also Ganondorf doesn't have a trident. Ganon does, but not Ganondorf. That would be like giving Link Deku Flowers. And I honestly fail to see how Ganondorf using his sword could possibly be unique. That wouldn't be nearly unique as his Brawl move set.

EDIT: Ganondorf already uses magic in Smash so I don't know why you listed that.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Here's a question fitting that I'm interested to see people judge...what do you think is more important for a character? The fact that they become unique or the fact that they should be a character that's true to the games they come from? (Not including characters that require source material to be created because of lack there of in their actual game, EG: Captain Falcon and Pit)

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Not like he does in Brawl and Melee, no not really and he does plenty more than that. He uses magic, trident, and a sword.

Just a correction, Ganon uses the Trident, not GanonDORF.
Though I think that a transformation to a classic looking Ganon would be a cool Final Smash,
It would work like Samus and ZSS.

On a side note, I made a Missingno support thread (I got permission from M&S guy, who made the support thread guidelines).http://smashboards.com/threads/a-wild-glitch-appears-missingno-for-super-smash-bros.341739/

 

[BluePikmin11]

Here's a question fitting that I'm interested to see people judge...what do you think is more important for a character? The fact that they become unique or the fact that they should be a character that's true to the games they come from? (Not including characters that require source material to be created because of lack there of in their actual game, EG: Captain Falcon and Pit)

Uniqueness of a character IMO.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

If Ganondorf's moveset is completely changed, who should get Ganondorf's old moveset?

Demise I he gets in, or Dark Wii Fit Trainer.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Here's a question fitting that I'm interested to see people judge...what do you think is more important for a character? The fact that they become unique or the fact that they should be a character that's true to the games they come from?

Second one. That's why I hate when people complain about clones. They are suppose to be that way.

EDIT: That's not actually why I hate it.