BluePikmin11
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@AEM you should replace Bowser Jr. with Toad. He's more important to the series than him.
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Bowserlick
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Toad is a playable character.
And Bowser Jr.'s importance has diminished with the return of the Kooplings.
I would say Toad is more important to the series than Bowser Jr.
And Bowser Jr.'s importance has diminished with the return of the Kooplings.
I would say Toad is more important to the series than Bowser Jr.
YoshiandToad
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But no, I agree. Bowser Jr. is slightly less important than Toad to the Mario series overall. Although on the other hand; Bowser Jr is more important than basically any other character to Mario not currently in. Bowser Jr. would also probably be quite fun to play as.
Would still prefer a playable Toad, Waluigi or Paper Mario to him though.
But not Geno.
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I like the cut of your jib.Replace Bowser Jr. with Waluigi. Now it's perfect.
MasterOfKnees
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To be fair Bowser Jr really is the one who kidnaps Peach each and everytime these days (unless you're playing 3D Land) so he has become very important, where as Toad is just the playable character that the friend who is late to the party gets to play as. Neither is necessary to the series though, which is why I'm not expecting any Mario newcomer.
Also, this is just a note, but Zoroark falls in the same situation as Blaziken did in Brawl, being in a Generation which is long overdue once the game ships. I'm not sure why you bring the relevancy argument up so often but include both him and Hoenn Trainer when Lucario and Red are much more relevant right now (especially Red with his 4 episode special and the Kanto starters' big-time in X & Y.)
That's not true. The character roster was initially decided in 2006, but due to the insane demand of having to add Sonic in he was added later in early 2007. Sonic was the very last character added to the roster, not as the last character added as data, but the last character added into the plan. Sonic also got the game delayed. He was prioritized over the likes of Jigglypuff, Toon Link and Wolf because he is a 3rd Party character, which means that they had a lot of stuff to do in a very short amount of time to include him, once they had the rights there was no turning back, and they were already heavily pressed on time, which is also why Snake was among the first characters to be coded into the game. Sonic's inclusion did the opposite of what you stated, he didn't help Jigglypuff in, he most likely got characters like Mewtwo cut instead.
Also, this is just a note, but Zoroark falls in the same situation as Blaziken did in Brawl, being in a Generation which is long overdue once the game ships. I'm not sure why you bring the relevancy argument up so often but include both him and Hoenn Trainer when Lucario and Red are much more relevant right now (especially Red with his 4 episode special and the Kanto starters' big-time in X & Y.)
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I do not think the Mario series needs another rep (I count Yoshi, and Wario is connected by his name and appearance).
However, Paper Mario I feel brings the most mechanics (Partner swapping and folding for movement options).
Toad makes the Mario series seem complete (the SNES racers in Mariokart along with the fact that he is becoming a more common selectable player these days).
Rosalina I feel is worth it if she taps into the mechanics and atmosphere of the Mario Galaxy games.
However, Paper Mario I feel brings the most mechanics (Partner swapping and folding for movement options).
Toad makes the Mario series seem complete (the SNES racers in Mariokart along with the fact that he is becoming a more common selectable player these days).
Rosalina I feel is worth it if she taps into the mechanics and atmosphere of the Mario Galaxy games.
bowser jr is still pretty important because he's shown as above of the koopalings and when the koopalings aren't there, it's him. (See: galaxy 1/2, Sunshine, Sticker Star, etc)
I'd like if we got both, but I also don't mind if we got neither.
I'd like if we got both, but I also don't mind if we got neither.
KingofPhantoms
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Mewtwo was planned to be in alongside Lucario in Brawl, it has unfinished data in the game. Lucario did not replace Mewtwo.
My apologies for the late reply.
I'm so sick of Lucario replaced Mewtwo butthurt and really hope both are in all smash games from now on.
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In the Mario series as of late, it's either Jr., the Koopalings, Jr. AND the Koopalings, or Boom-Boom and Pom-Pom.
Kind of a crapshoot....
Kind of a crapshoot....
KingofPhantoms
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I'm hoping Jr. and the Koopalings will start to appear together more often.
And while I don't mind Boom Boom and Pom Pom, I miss bosses like the ones from Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Galaxy 2.
And while I don't mind Boom Boom and Pom Pom, I miss bosses like the ones from Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Galaxy 2.
Mario & Sonic Guy
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Hardly. Bowser Jr. is ranked higher than the Koopalings, as he's Bowser's true son, while the Koopalings are just Bowser's step-children. To add to this, Bowser Jr. has been more involved with Bowser's schemes than the Koopalings, and not once have the Koopalings been involved with a 3D Mario title.
Keep in mind, however, that this only really applies to the platformers, as I tend to separate the Super Mario titles from the Mario RPG titles.
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The Koopalings' role as bosses in Mario titles was usurped by Bowser Jr. and the Koopalings disappeared. But then they returned again, sharing part of the role as General and boss with Bowser Jr.
There was a backlash to Bowser Jr.'s initial inclusion. People wanted the Koopalings back. Now that Bowser Jr. has to share his role as General/Boss again with the Koopalings(in some games), that diminishes his importance overall in my eyes.
If there was a job situation where a company hires a new guy, but then immediately gives word to the employees that if the economy gets bad they will have to lay someone off, and then the economy gets bad, and then they lay off a guy who has been at the company longer... I think that guy being laid off will feel like he was replaced by the new guy.
There was a backlash to Bowser Jr.'s initial inclusion. People wanted the Koopalings back. Now that Bowser Jr. has to share his role as General/Boss again with the Koopalings(in some games), that diminishes his importance overall in my eyes.
Lucario was given priority over Mewtwo in Brawl. So was Pokemon Trainer, Pikachu, and Jiggs.
If there was a job situation where a company hires a new guy, but then immediately gives word to the employees that if the economy gets bad they will have to lay someone off, and then the economy gets bad, and then they lay off a guy who has been at the company longer... I think that guy being laid off will feel like he was replaced by the new guy.
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By that logic, Lucario is no more guilty then PT.
Really, this whole "Lucario replaced Mewtwo" rumor needs to be thrown into the deepest circles of Hell. It's been proven time and time again that it was not the scenario placed before the characters and if time permitted, both would've been in together.
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Lucario replaced Pichu 
BluePikmin11
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New roster, thought about adding back Lucario and adding Toad, which makes an a total of 48 characters:
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Lucario replaced Pichu
Nah, Pichu replaced Pikachu, where do you think the goggles came from?
Bowserlick
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Correct on Pokemon Trainer, but Lucario also stole one of Mewtwo's moves.
So because:
1. Lucario had much higher priority
2. Took Mewtwo's B move
People will feel that Lucario replaced Mewtwo.
And replacement sometimes happens because of constraints such in this case, time. If there was more time, both would get in. But because there was not more time, the new guy with the same B move was given priority over the veteran. Some people will call this replaced.
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"But..but they both have a projectile that they need to charge! That make Lucario a clone!!1!1!"
I'd be fine if either one came back but it's no skin off my back if only one or neither show up. Still Mewtwo was only cut as far as we know due to time constraints. So he could be added to SSB4 if the Devs have enough time to work on him.
BluePikmin11
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Perhaps we shouldn't be posting rosters anymore. I'll think I'll post mines again as soon as leaky newcomers are confirmed.
Bowserlick
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I like the addition of Toad. I am not sure the tag team mechanic will be used this time around with Dixie and Diddy, but I would not mind it. Not crazy about Little Mac, but I am aware he is a good guess to take a spot. I love Ridley and love the inclusion of only two FE reps. Palutena is cool. I would pick either Ness or Lucas, but this is the safer and probably correct choice. Love Pacman, like Shulk and Mii (while I have concerns he could be too close to Villager, but he doesn't have to be) as new reps. I do not know enough about Dr. Kawashima or Daitouryou. I bet they would piss people off like the Wii Trainer, but maybe they could bring enough mechanics to the game. Return of Mewtwo is good. I do not like Tom Nook with the Villager. The Villager represents Animal Crossing to a large enough degree I feel.New roster, thought about adding back Lucario and adding Toad, which makes an a total of 48 characters:
Overall, one of the less offensive rosters with a few surprise curveballs.
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"Please, princess, stop! Mario might notice us!"
Pic of the day.
Gune
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It looks like peach kicked him in the nut bag.
Chandeelure
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Pic of the day.
I'm tired of the screenshots that are not funny or don't show anything new...
LoneKonWolf
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Peach has no nostrils....
We might get something for Halloween, but it's a toss at this point.
Morbi
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Jiggypuff for Halloween? She has a costume fetish! One on the first of October the other on the 31st. It might be a a general Pokemon month promotion, they did it with Sonic. No date.
On the topic of Mewtwo, I caught a Modest Mewtwo and EV trained it in Sp Attack and Sp Def/Def (Super Training is the best. EV training in an hour). It has great IVs to cover his speed and HP. I think it might be the most powerful Mewtwo I have ever owned. It sweeps the entire Elite 4 and Champion alone.
BluePikmin11
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Man I want to buy Pokemon Y soon. :<
Autumn ♫
I'm terrible with these Custom Titles.
here you go.
http://www.amazon.com/Pokémon-Y-Nintendo-3DS/dp/B0053B66KE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1382035401&sr=8-1&keywords=pokemon y
Feel free to buy it.
LoneKonWolf
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eh I don't think we'll get a Pokémon reveal till around the holiday season, the best I think we'll get is rob tomorrow.
if not then we bust for October
except for some fun puns
if not then we bust for October
Autumn ♫
I'm terrible with these Custom Titles.
why would we get ROB tomorrow?
BluePikmin11
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Anniversary.
LoneKonWolf
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his anniversary (or more specific the anniversary of the NES) is tomorrow, that is why I think he might get a reveal, although it does seem pretty unlikely for him to get revealed
Morbi
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I would be beyond pissed if they skipped the Pokemon reveal for R.O.B. Sakurai might actually make me cry... cry tears of rage!
I guess it is better to get him out of the way, despite my distaste towards him.
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Lucario no more 'stole' Mewtwo's move then Mewtwo 'stole' Samus' Charge Shot, the moves are similar, that's it.
Also, that's a load of crap. If I was working alongside someone and then got fired/let go while the other finished the project, I was not replaced by my co-worker, I was just kicked out before completion. That's exactly what happened to Mewtwo, both were planned, one just unfortunately got cut for time. Really, there's no reason to believe that Lucario replaced Mewtwo in any meaning of the word, it's just being stubborn to keep adhering to that rumor when it has already been disproven many times over.
Morbi
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What? I understand the Mewtwo thing, but the real life analogy was flawless. If you were laid off and replaced, you were replaced. End of story, I mean you can always say that you didn't get to complete the project. However, that doesn't change the notion that they literally replaced you. Maybe an outsourcing example would be a more practical one.
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Doesn't matter with all my defense! And I can even equip an item if I want! No way Sylveon is beating my panda. Aren't Slyveon's stats really bad anyway?
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I think you mean flawed.
Anyway, you misunderstand the situation, I was working alongside the co-worker and got fired/laid off, I can't be replaced by someone who was already there. If said person came in after I was fired/laid off, then I was replaced by them, but said co-worker was already with me when it happened so he couldn't have been my replacement if he was already present.
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