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I don't consider Mischief Maker remotely possible mainly because very few people are asking for her (or any N64-only rep).
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I see. That makes more sense. Manaphy kind of broke the pattern of not having an effect on the fight, but all of them have still been Pokeball Pokemon.
Looking good. I think you made a good assessment with Victini. One thing I will point out is that criteria 1, that it is not just characters that are popular but those who are likable. They need to get people interested even if they were not wanted. Look for that.
Well, it's probably because there weren't really any noteworthy new IP's that debuted on the N64 other than Animal Crossing. Sure, we got Doshin the Giant, Custom Robo, and Sin & Punishment but they aren't as popular as Animal Crossing. That, and those three franchises weren't exclusive to the N64 as they had games on Gamecube, Wii, or DS.
Sakurai has a knack for choosing those kind of characters. Everything ties together.
That's an unfair comparison.
That's correct.
I think Mach Rider can be that character that meets the first criteria while being an infrequent request. I see potential for Mach Rider to be the next Captain Falcon or Ice Climbers because he leaves so much room for an interesting and enjoyable play style that hooks people into him.
I assumed you were talking about stats. Victini clearly wins in the stats department against those four mons.
This is an argument based on Victini's character, not his stats.
I think you left off Mii.
Ta-da, my prediction roster. The only character I have real difficulty leaving off is Krystal. Everyone else have reasons for being on the roster (or not).
Even though Mii's are arguably the biggest "character" since Mario, I've recently been observing the massive amount of people opposed to them. Heck, I don't even like the idea, but when I couple this with Sakurai's hesitancy to include them in Brawl I've been changing my opinion on he/she/it/them being playable. Now, is that to say they will not be implemented into Super Smash Bros. in some fashion? No, but I don't believe it will be in the traditional sense many of us have been thinking.
That seems pretty interesting. How slim are we talking? Like, in the 20-35 range? Less? More? Either way, I'll look forward to it. (What can I say, I like character pools
)At least Peach did get her own game eventually in Super Princess Peach and she did show willingness to fight in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars. Which is more than you could say for Victini.DarkSouls said:
Personally I think a couple of characters could be added onto that list, especially one, but for the most part I think this is pretty spot on.At least Peach did get her own game eventually in Super Princess Peach and she did show willingness to fight in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars. Which is more than you could say for Victini.
I'll stop here since there's nowhere else left to go.
Edit: My character pool is up:
These characters meets Sakurai's four criteria needed in order to get in and as such, makes my pool. Anyone who failed to make this pool have slim to no chance of getting in (as far as I'm concern).
Granted, I do have doubts about quite a few of these characters, but I believe because they meet Sakurai's four criteria that they have a shot.
At least Peach did get her own game eventually in Super Princess Peach and she did show willingness to fight in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars. Which is more than you could say for Victini.
I'll stop here since there's nowhere else left to go.
Edit: My character pool is up:
These characters meets Sakurai's four criteria needed in order to get in and as such, makes my pool. Anyone who failed to make this pool have slim to no chance of getting in (as far as I'm concern).
Granted, I do have doubts about quite a few of these characters, but I believe because they meet Sakurai's four criteria that they have a shot.
The reason why Ray made the list is because while he is currently not a popular request, he has the potential to be a very popular addition. Ray's irrelevance eroded his popularity badly, but had that not been the case, he would be the second most popular misc. series addition, above Little Mac and below Isaac. If Ray were to become relevant and had a retail game, his popularity will receive a big increase. And given that Noise did express interest in a Custom Robo game for the next gen console, we could very well be seeing that popularity rise sometimes in the near future. He's one of those characters that I doubt will be in SSB4, but I could see him showing up in SSB5 if a new game helps his popularity considerably.Opossum said:
Not really. Even when being relevant, Starfy still falls behind Saki, Isaac, Little Mac, and now Shulk in popularity, all of whom like Ray, have more potential to be popular characters in Smash that'll attract people to the game.
Majora's Mask Link, as cool as he would be, is a poor addition. This would alienate fans who enjoy Toon Link and spit them in the face. I know a lot of people wants an unique Link, but that is only going to cause more problems.I also decided to drop my latest roster:
Young Link is actually supposed to be MM's link. I really like the idea of switching between the 3 main masks(Deku, Zoran, and Goron) and having different moves for each mask. It wasn't my idea so i wont take credit for it. But i remembering hearing it being discussed in the past and i quite like it.
Bring up anything else and i'll be glad to offer my thoughts.
As far as I know they are outside of weight.
Shooot, there's a whole discussion thread about him, that you should take a look at
He seems unopposed/generally agreed upon in terms of addition although also agreed on that he has a relatively small chance..
As much as I LOVE Toon Link and his games (wouldn't mind three Links, but we all know that's overboard and we know Sakurai knows it). His inclusion in the next game his HEAVY on four factors.
Very true. Cel-shaded/"Toon" style Links have appeared in no less than 6 (counting Four Swords, FSA, and Minish Cap), so he's a big part of the franchise and not having him would be insulting to a number of us TL fans.
Doesn't count. A small flash game to advertise the movie is not going to be enough for Sakurai. There is also the fact that third parties are limited anyway. We may not even get one.
That problem is exacerbated when you consider Wreck It Ralph is a property of Disney.
It's true, we do have our own interpretation of Sakurai's criteria and there isn't a concrete way to interpret these criterias (dumb off-topic question, but is this how you spell criteria with a plural?). But the input that matters the most is the man himself and he's the one that ultimately decides the characters. He did not just throw these criterias out there for kicks, he made those criterias to help with the character decision process. I can assure you that he will be following those criteria again because those are what make the best choices for a newcomer. How he interprets those four criteria we can't say for sure, but it does explain why we have the choices we have.GoldenYuiitusin said:
