Rosaluma vs. Other characters

[SmasherCat]

It may be too early, but who cares?

How do you guys think Rosalina will fare against the other fighters?
I don't mean tier listing, just your opinions on individual match-ups.

Vs. Rosaluma

Marth match-up: Rosalina clearly has an advantage here. Marth, as we all know, is pure melee. Rosalina can keep him away with the star bit shot or any attack with the luma.

Recovery: Rosalina can gimp Marth's average recovery easily. Her dair is pretty quick, and it looks like a spike. Dolphin Slash is quick to come out, but fairly predictable and easy to gimp.

Grabbing: There's nothing on Rosalina's grab and grabbing game yet, but the luma should make it hard for any character to approach.

Seems to me Rosalina has an edge on marth. Tell me what you think of this match up and give some of your own evaluations!

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Let's see what I could input for this matter...

Rosalina vs. Mario: While Mario could spam his fireballs against the Lumas, being able to cope with Rosalina's reach might be a problem.

Rosalina vs. Donkey Kong: Donkey Kong's approach options can be hindered by the Luma's presence, especially considering his size and lack of projectiles.

Rosalina vs. Kirby: The outcome would be dependent on if Kirby manages to copy Rosalina's abilities. If Kirby does copy Rosalina, the matchup becomes more evenly matched.

Rosalina vs. Bowser: Being a big target leaves Bowser pretty vulnerable to the Luma's onslaught. Fire Breath could solve Bowser's Luma problem.

Rosalina vs. Sonic: Luring the Luma away from Rosalina is Sonic's biggest priority. The Spring Jump could help him bypass the Luma, but coping with Rosalina's attack range may be another story.

Rosalina vs. Mega Man: While Mega Man can safely handle the Luma from a distance, he might not be able to cope with Rosalina's attack range.

 

[SmasherCat]

The luma seems like a strong point to her play style (kinda obvious). whether or not a character can get past it will be a big thing.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Since I don't know too much on how Rosalina fully works, I'll mostly focus on how the opponent can easily fair against her.
Rosalina vs. Fox: We all know Fox, and how he usually is really good even with characters. When against Rosalina & Luma, he is about even, he could easily get close to Rosalina using his side special and dodge/block Luma if needed. The blaster could help rack up damage on both of them leading to a powerful knock out.
Rosalina vs. Toon Link: The links are known for their projectile zoning. Toon Link can use his arsenal of them to keep the Luma away from him, and with Toon Link's high jump height in speed he could easily bypass the Luma to go for Rosalina head on.

I will edit this for more later.

 

[SmasherCat]

he could easily get close to Rosalina using his side special and dodge/block Luma if needed. The blaster could help rack up damage on both of them

Fox's up special could also be effective, and his reflector would negate that star bit attack.
Wouldn't the blaster just hit the luma, effectively shielding Rosalina?

 

[ToothiestAura]

Fox's up special could also be effective, and his reflector would negate that star bit attack.
Wouldn't the blaster just hit the luma, effectively shielding Rosalina?

Questionable. It may just fly over the Luma's head, as it is quite short.
What we've seen Luma blocking is Samus' (mostly-fully) charged charge shot and Mega Man's (mostly-fully) charged Mega Buster, both of which are quite large, large enough to be soaked up by Luma. I'd say small projectiles that are higher would completely bypass Luma (unless you can make it jump?).
Samus' Missiles, Megaman, with the absurd amount of projectiles he's got at his disposal, is bound to have something that could be used for that situation. (Even just a lesser charged Mega Blaster.) and stuff like that.

 

[SmasherCat]

That's true, but a lot of these energy projectiles will be blockable with the down special. I guess it's important to note that luma isn't a perfect shield and some characters can get past it.

 

[Vintage Creep]

So it's already begun? Is Rosaluma going to be used until Smash 5 comes out?

 

[SmasherCat]

Well that depends more on tier listing, if I'm reading your question right.

 

[ToothiestAura]

So it's already begun? Is Rosaluma going to be used until Smash 5 comes out?

Well that depends more on tier listing, if I'm reading your question right.

I think we'll need to see the rest of the Newcomers first. But she does seem like she will be fairly powerful.

 

[SmasherCat]

Though we haven't seen her killing options yet.

 

[Cheezey Bites]

I think your Marth prediction is wrong. Marth has a long reach and that tipper, while Luma's moves are very close, he could easily out-space any of his moves bar star-bit spray and get good damage on it, or knock it away (it seems to dissipate when it gets too far away from Rosalina). She does have good attack range herself, but her moves seem reasonably slow, and have lingering hitboxes.. making them Counter bait.

We'll see, but I think Marth will be able to get rid of the Luma more easily than most, neutering most of her abilities.

 

[SmasherCat]

That's a good point. However, I think if the luma can tank enough attacks it should be able to buy Rosalina some time.
I do agree on the counter though, that could prove problematic. Still, Rosalina's aerial game looks pretty safe because of how her aerials have good priority.

 

[pitthekit]

for the megaman vs rosa mu it will be in mega mans favor as his crash bomber could stick to the luma which means the luma can never be near us. we would have to be aggressive and punish any stage control option he throws out.

 

[SmasherCat]

for the megaman vs rosa mu it will be in mega mans favor as his crash bomber could stick to the luma which means the luma can never be near us. we would have to be aggressive and punish any stage control option he throws out.

Yes, crash bomber will make us waste time with moving the luma away. Luckily for this match-up, Down special will stop a ton of megaman's attacks

 

[pitthekit]

Yes, crash bomber will make us waste time with moving the luma away. Luckily for this match-up, Down special will stop a ton of megaman's attacks

What if mega man baits our down special? It could be punishable. Then again you could just go by reaction !

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

What if Rosalina can hold her Star Barrier, much like with Fox's Reflector? That would probably render most projectile attacks useless.

 

[SmasherCat]

It will definitely be a staple move against projectile users/spammers. When to use it will be kinda situational though.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

It will definitely be a staple move against projectile users/spammers. When to use it will be kinda situational though.

It might all come down to just execution speed then.

 

[Cheezey Bites]

I don't know how the star shield will work in regards to the Metal Blade and Crash Bomber, as both act as a projectile (which seem to be deflected) and items (which are drawn to her). I think a lot of the match-up will be decided by that.

 

[SmasherCat]

It's possible that only energy projectiles are deflected and the physical ones hit anyways.

 

[extremechiton]

I wonder if the warp field works on other characters, similar to how marios cape turns people around or how mewtwos confusion flips people.

 

[SmasherCat]

That's a question that can't really be answered yet...

 

[OhSnap]

watch her have like, no kill moves except for the dair spike. she's just great on racking up dmg and keep opponents away from her. i feel like that's how they'll probably balance her out.

 

[extremechiton]

her damage racking skills and ranging will make for a great support character in doubles

 

[OhSnap]

definitely. i can see her being absolutely wonderful in doubles. i just want to see what her nair and bair are for potential kill moves for 1v1s, cause right now, her specials definitely aren't kill moves.

 

[SmasherCat]

But we didn't really get any numbers in that video, so some of these moves could be a lot more powerful than we think. Plus, maybe some of the luma's attacks have some strong knock back. It's hard to tell so far which luma moves are which.

 

[OhSnap]

i do have a feeling her dsmash has a few hits to it with Luma, and is very similar to Zelda's. high horizontal kb.

 

[extremechiton]

i also think side b, the one that sends luma ahead might have decent knockback at high percents, probably a quick kill move at the edge of a stage.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

watch her have like, no kill moves except for the dair spike. she's just great on racking up dmg and keep opponents away from her. i feel like that's how they'll probably balance her out.

I'm pretty sure that she'll have some pretty powerful attacks in her arsenal. We just don't know how strong, simply because of the lack of visible damage percentages.

 

[8-peacock-8]

WE GOT A NEW THREAT!

 

[OhSnap]

I'M OK WITH THIS. I'LL JUST MAIN ALL THE AWESOME FEMALES.

and Zelda was my main in PM, so hopefully she's better in this game than in Brawl. but it seems like i'll main Rosalina and Zelda, try out ZSS again if(and when) she's in, and WFT i'm going to give more time than other chars.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Rosalina vs. Zelda: The main problem working against Zelda is her lack of effective approach options. Rosalina, on the other hand, has the Luma to help her approach. But with the Phantom being a potential summon for Zelda, that might give the Luma some trouble. On the other hand, the Phantom probably can't be controlled, meaning that avoiding it will probably be easier than it looks.

 

[SmasherCat]

However the phantom works, it will be cool to have it fight the luma. Both are summons, both are physical tanks for magical characters. It might be a fun matchup, as long as zelda is better and tougher in this game. But we'll have to get more on zelda first.

 

[extremechiton]

zelda shouldnt be a clone of rosalina, otherwise rosalinas reveal would have been worthless if they were just gonna have zelda do the same thing. this would make rosalina a non unique newcomer.

 

[SmasherCat]

I don't think Rosalina is in danger of being "non-unique". Rosalina has to be the only puppeteer in brawl, and that's pretty far from zelda. Plus, Rose's character is super unique! That makes her cooler than than the others!

 

[OhSnap]

i truly hope Zelda doesn't have the Phantom, I like transforming between the two characters to screw around with my opponents.

and on-topic, i feel like the Rosalina/Zelda match-up could go either way. Nayru's Love, if it works right in this game, can be used very efficiently against Luma. and Din's Fire or Farore's Wind can obviously be used to bypass Luma if need be. and if her aerial game is great for once, she could destroy Rosalina. but this all depends on what Zelda's game is like now, and how everything works for Rosalina and Luma. but i feel like Luma loses out to Zelda, and it's up to Rosalina to beat her.

 

[SmasherCat]

That pretty much sounds right. It could be closer to even than some other match ups.

 

[8-peacock-8]

I have a feeling that Phantom will be a summon that only appears for a few seconds. Ala Spike using monkeys in PSASBR. (He would summon a Pipo Ape that would attack a character for a few seconds then leave)

 

[Rose alumna]

It may be too early, but who cares?

How do you guys think Rosalina will fare against the other fighters?
I don't mean tier listing, just your opinions on individual match-ups.
View attachment 5304 Vs. Rosaluma

Marth match-up: Rosalina clearly has an advantage here. Marth, as we all know, is pure melee. Rosalina can keep him away with the star bit shot or any attack with the luma.

Recovery: Rosalina can gimp Marth's average recovery easily. Her dair is pretty quick, and it looks like a spike. Dolphin Slash is quick to come out, but fairly predictable and easy to gimp.

Grabbing: There's nothing on Rosalina's grab and grabbing game yet, but the luma should make it hard for any character to approach.

Seems to me Rosalina has an edge on marth. Tell me what you think of this match up and give some of your own evaluations!

I think she will dominate all high wight chars like bowser,donkey kong cuz her forward throw looks like it dose light knock back or throw range and that can be a low percent combo and luma can end it am I right? O.o seriously i don't know I'm guessing