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Review: Final Fantasy VII

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If you know me, then you know that I wasn't very impressed with Final Fantasy VII. Yes, I am one of the few people who didn't find an amazing godsend from the divine planes of heaven. I found a run-of-the-mill RPG that could use some vast improvement. But one day (a few weeks ago), I was bored and was thinking of an RPG I could play to keep me occupied. I looked over all of my PS1 RPGs and I saw Final Fantasy VII, I knew I probably still wouldn't like it. But that annoying little voice that keeps me from blowing two bucks on a bagel every time I pass a Bruegger's told me to give it a second chance.

The game opens with a spiky-haired mercenary named Cloud (who is a completely emotionless prick), who has been hired by a terrorist group (which is lead by a black guy named Barret, who's trying to hard to be like Mr. T) called AVALANCHE. Said terrorist group is trying to take down an evil cooperation (there seems to be a law that says: "all companies that have ten thousand or more employees must be evil" in video games) called Shinra. And they're starting by blowing up their power plants called Mako Reactors, thus putting thousands of people out of business and causing city-wide panic. So after they blow up a Reactor, the heroes go back to a part of the slums where we meet Tifa. A bartender who is one of the two characters with any personality. Soon after that they decide it's time for another bombing mission, but this time they get caught on the way out but escape. Well, except Cloud, he gets to fall about two thousand feet onto concrete. But wait, he gets his fall broken by a building which somehow falls through the first layer of the city and onto some chick in the slums or... something like that. Anyway, here we meet Aries, now she's an interesting character. Not that she's a good character, she's interesting because of how little effort was put into her personality. It's almost as if the writers just kind of opening the big book of stereotypes, looked up "innocent and nice girl" then copy-pasted it into the game. And the very second Cloud meets her he goes from "emotionless prick" to "typical RPG hero with a one-track mind." From there a bunch of completely random and unrelated sub-plots happen until the Heroes go for a direct attack on Shirna's HQ in an attempt to save Aries from becoming a genetic experiment. It is here that we meet Red XII, the other character with a personality, and also Sephiroth, the real main villain of the game. The heroes all get tossed into cells which shields them from Sephiroth when he comes into Shinra HQ to slaughter everyone as if they were a bunch of red-uniforms and to take his "mother," Jenova, away. The poor girl must have been made out of solid gold or something because it gives to heroes enough reason to stop fighting Shinra and to go hunt down Sephiroth. The rest of the game is more or less a bunch of tangled sub plots with a vague main plot, so it's the third Pirates movie.

There are so many things wrong with this game's story that I don't know where to start... oh, wait, I do. I'll start with the very intrusive sub plots. Okay, now in a good story the sub plots merge with the main plot and flow seamlessly with it, but here the entire main plot comes to a screeching halt whenever a sub plot does so much as walks by it so that the heroes can go and resolve it. Even if it has little or nothing to do with hunting down Sephiroth. And the main cast is down-right terrible! Cloud is your typical RPG hero with a one-track mind, and he goes through his personality shift way to fast. Barret and Cid are basically the same character, yeah, one's black, one's white. One has a gun for a hand, the other uses a spear. One's a stereotypical "tough" black guy, the other is a stereotypical angry white guy. But in the end they're both guys who use swear words the same way a normal person uses a comma, hate Shinra for silly reasons, and they both dwell in the past. Only once was Cait Sith at all useful, he seems like a character they just threw in because they felt like the main cast needed to be bigger. Aries was a stereotype, Yuffie had a down-right bizarre materia fetish (more on that later, that is, what materia is, not the fetish) and was annoying as hell. Vincent really didn't do much but brood. The only good characters were Tifa, because she was, you know, characterized (somewhat), Red XII, for the same reason, and Sephiroth. Okay, question: why is it that I feel more sympathetic for Sphiroth over anyone else? Isn't the antagonist supposed to be hated or disliked by the audience? Yes, you can have a cool antagonist but the audience isn't supposed to care more about them then they do the rest of the heroes. And speaking of antagonists, I don't see why everyone insists that the Shinra cooperation is evil. Yeah, they aren't the most eco-friendly company but wait about ten years for the ecofreaks to initiate the whole "green movement" and that problem will be solved. And yes they've done a few questionable things in the past but who hasn't? Really, if you judge a company based off of that then almost every company is "evil." And yes, they're doing that whole "sucking the planet's mako energy" thing but come on, it's a resource! That's what resources are for, so you can utilize it for various means. It's really no different than oil or coal mining, it's just another one of this game's little holes in the plot. Which this game has a lot of, such as how Sephiroth likes to leave his sword stuck inside of people after he kills them but somehow always gets it back. Or how Red XII has kids at the end of the game but is the last of his kind.

Okay, I've spent enough time on the plot, now onto game play. Now I liked some of the game play, such as the materia system. Materia are basically these magic stones that you can stick into your weapons and armor to give your character's special abilities (magic, commands, ect) and you can get some pretty good customization with this. And the battle system is pretty fun to, although the summon animations are unskippable and get old after about the fourth time that you've seen them. They also have this thing called limit breaks, which are fairly powerful attacks that you can use when your limit bar fills up as you take damage. But the problem is that it's too exploitable because the **** thing is at max when a puppy does so much as urinate on your leg. I'd also like to point out that this game has a terrible habit of forcing you to play annoying mini games that you play once and you never seen again. It's almost as if the game's director was thinking up mini games for a Mario Party-like game but tripped and hit his head on something, causing him to think that it would be a good idea to shove them all into Final Fantasy VII. Every other step is another bloody mini game that your are forced to play otherwise the game folds it arms and closes off the rest of it. And this game also has some parts that are about as well translated as Zero Wing, such as how Cloud "still misses the Shinra" or how "this guy are sick."

Saying that Final Fantasy VII is better than any of the later installments is like saying that the 1700s Flintlock is better than the modern .9 Mil. Pistol. Yes, the Flintlock was amazing and revolutionary, when it was first invented but face it, it sucked! You only got one shot, then it's completely useless and has zero resale value, you couldn't hit the broad side of barn with it, so it was basically ****. Now don't get me wrong, Final Fantasy VII wasn't a bad game, it just wasn't a very good one. It was run of the mill, with run of the mill characters and run of the mill mistakes. Honestly, I really don't seen why anyone would still be obsessing over this game when there are many much better RPGs out today.
 

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FFX ***** FFVII.

I believe that's all that was needed to be said.

*walks off*
 

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I don't see why everyone insists that the Shinra cooperation is evil. Yeah, they aren't the most eco-friendly company but wait about ten years for the ecofreaks to initiate the whole "green movement" and that problem will be solved. And yes they've done a few questionable things in the past but who hasn't? Really, if you judge a company based off of that then almost every company is "evil." And yes, they're doing that whole "sucking the planet's mako energy" thing but come on, it's a resource! That's what resources are for, so you can utilize it for various means. It's really no different than oil or coal mining, it's just another one of this game's little holes in the plot.
I thought the game explained that Mako energy was really something synonymous to the life-force of the planet that is also essentially the souls the dead soon to be reincarnated. I have no problem with believing that a company can be evil for burning souls like they're in a coal plant (and not to mention destroying the force that practically makes the world spin), and I'm a rabid capitalist. You must not have been paying attention to that one astronomer dude from Red XIII's home.

I'd also like to point out that the criticism of characters and especially antagonists is really subjective. Take Kefka for example. EVERYONE LOVES KEFKA! I do too, but when you think about it, wtf is his motivation? Why is he a freaking maniac? No one knows....


Okay, I've spent enough time on the plot, now onto game play. Now I liked some of the game play, such as the materia system. Materia are basically these magic stones that you can stick into your weapons and armor to give your character's special abilities (magic, commands, ect) and you can get some pretty good customization with this. And the battle system is pretty fun to, although the summon animations are unskippable and get old after about the fourth time that you've seen them. They also have this thing called limit breaks, which are fairly powerful attacks that you can use when your limit bar fills up as you take damage. But the problem is that it's too exploitable because the **** thing is at max when a puppy does so much as urinate on your leg. I'd also like to point out that this game has a terrible habit of forcing you to play annoying mini games that you play once and you never seen again. It's almost as if the game's director was thinking up mini games for a Mario Party-like game but tripped and hit his head on something, causing him to think that it would be a good idea to shove them all into Final Fantasy VII. Every other step is another bloody mini game that your are forced to play otherwise the game folds it arms and closes off the rest of it. And this game also has some parts that are about as well translated as Zero Wing, such as how Cloud "still misses the Shinra" or how "this guy are sick."
So basically, the core of the game is great, but there were a few, tiny irritating things that somehow lead you to this conclusion:

Saying that Final Fantasy VII is better than any of the later installments is like saying that the 1700s Flintlock is better than the modern .9 Mil. Pistol. Yes, the Flintlock was amazing and revolutionary, when it was first invented but face it, it sucked! You only got one shot, then it's completely useless and has zero resale value, you couldn't hit the broad side of barn with it, so it was basically ****. Now don't get me wrong, Final Fantasy VII wasn't a bad game, it just wasn't a very good one. It was run of the mill, with run of the mill characters and run of the mill mistakes. Honestly, I really don't seen why anyone would still be obsessing over this game when there are many much better RPGs out today.

How can something be revolutionary and yet run-of-the-mill? O.o

I think you're suffering from a little too much reverse-hype (epyh). I played Final Fantasy VII for the first time just a month or two ago, being a life-long loyalist for Nintendo. I liked the game, a lot. It really grew on me. I think the story, while you may criticize it for its intrusive sub-plots, is also very good because of the impressions it leaves you with, and the many different experiences you get playing the game (I freaking loved the Temple of the Ancients). I thought it had a fairly unique feel to it.

The characters.... yeah I agree. They pretty much suck. And there's so little of them T_T. That, imo, is pretty much the only serious weakness of this game. If there were better characters, this game would be fairly amazing.

Thus far, out of FF6-9, it's my 2nd favorite, with FFVI in 1st (if I can ever get into FF9 maybe I'll see what you're talking about. Idk.)

Overall, I'd say the game is very good. Not incredible, but definitely better than you give it credit for.

Oh, and yeah, the mini games were ****ing pointless.
 

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I thought the game explained that Mako energy was really something synonymous to the life-force of the planet that is also essentially the souls the dead soon to be reincarnated. I have no problem with believing that a company can be evil for burning souls like they're in a coal plant (and not to mention destroying the force that practically makes the world spin), and I'm a rabid capitalist. You must not have been paying attention to that one astronomer dude from Red XIII's home.
Good point. But they never said that Shinra actually knew about all of that.

I'd also like to point out that the criticism of characters and especially antagonists is really subjective. Take Kefka for example. EVERYONE LOVES KEFKA! I do too, but when you think about it, wtf is his motivation? Why is he a freaking maniac? No one knows....[/COLOR]
Yeah, that's one of the (VERY FEW) problems I had with FFVI. And here's one: how did a freaky evil Clown get political status?

So basically, the core of the game is great, but there were a few, tiny irritating things that somehow lead you to this conclusion:
You're very observant, Mr. Morning.



How can something be revolutionary and yet run-of-the-mill? O.o


At the time the graphics and game's length were revolutionary, but the "game" part of the actual "game" was run of the mill (not counting length).

I think you're suffering from a little too much reverse-hype (epyh). I played Final Fantasy VII for the first time just a month or two ago, being a life-long loyalist for Nintendo. I liked the game, a lot. It really grew on me. I think the story, while you may criticize it for its intrusive sub-plots, is also very good because of the impressions it leaves you with, and the many different experiences you get playing the game (I freaking loved the Temple of the Ancients). I thought it had a fairly unique feel to it.
It might be because I've played a ton of RPGs, or it's because I have a vendetta against popular games. Either way, I found the story to be crap.

The characters.... yeah I agree. They pretty much suck. And there's so little of them T_T. That, imo, is pretty much the only serious weakness of this game. If there were better characters, this game would be fairly amazing.
Yeah... the characters are a part of the story (piratically it's core). So poor characters plus poor plot structure equals overall poor story.

Thus far, out of FF6-9, it's my 2nd favorite, with FFVI in 1st (if I can ever get into FF9 maybe I'll see what you're talking about. Idk.)
How far did you get in IX?

Overall, I'd say the game is very good. Not incredible, but definitely better than you give it credit for.
Sorry, but there's more cons that outweigh the pros. The same way a sumo outweighs a skinny dude.

Oh, and yeah, the mini games were ****ing pointless.
I concur.
 

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Good point. But they never said that Shinra actually knew about all of that.
True, but obviously Barret did, and he wasn't rich and didn't have important connections. One can infer that it was either willful ignorance of the Shinra or perhaps they downright knew the truth.
At the time the graphics and game's length were revolutionary, but the "game" part of the actual "game" was run of the mill (not counting length).

It might be because I've played a ton of RPGs, or it's because I have a vendetta against popular games. Either way, I found the story to be crap.

Holistically, the story was unique in the way of time period, locations, and magical laws. The "feel" of the game was good. There may have been some choppy transitions, but that's not enough to condemn it.

Yeah... the characters are a part of the story (piratically it's core). So poor characters plus poor plot structure equals overall poor story.
Well, the characters are still just one part of the story. I couldn't get into the characters in FFVII, but I could get into the fantastic setting(s) and the system of magic (the way it all worked, and what Sephiroth wanted to do with it. All that good stuff.).

How far did you get in IX?
I'm in the village just after the Ice Cave and I can't seem to find the will to move on.
 

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True, but obviously Barret did, and he wasn't rich and didn't have important connections. One can infer that it was either willful ignorance of the Shinra or perhaps they downright knew the truth.
So we only have the main characters' word for it that the whole "mako" thing is bad (by the way, when you only have someone's word for it, that's bad writing).


Holistically, the story was unique in the way of time period, locations, and magical laws. The "feel" of the game was good. There may have been some choppy transitions, but that's not enough to condemn it.
Yes, Final Fantasy VII the first RPG to be set in modern times in such. But just because a game is set in an original time period/location doesn't mean that it's good.

Well, the characters are still just one part of the story. I couldn't get into the characters in FFVII, but I could get into the fantastic setting(s) and the system of magic (the way it all worked, and what Sephiroth wanted to do with it. All that good stuff.).
I see, so you liked the world but not the characters.

I'm in the village just after the Ice Cave and I can't seem to find the will to move on.
Hold on, hold. You stopped playing right when the game was about to pick up and become awesome? I'm sorry.
 

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I agree wholeheartedly with all of that except for the Materia system, which I really disliked.
I've said it before, but if you just happen to wake up one morning and can't remember what your next objective is, it's tough luck- the game won't tell you. That is what put me off.

However, everyone knows that Sephiroth hides behind a tree when he stabs someone, laughs as the heroes comment about how Sephiroh had been there, then sneaks behind them, swipes the sword from the corpse, and runs to another side of the map, which the heroes then stumble across.

:p.
 

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Not to sound biased, but I absolutely cannot read through these walls of text. I love your reviews, Ark, but I can't struggle through this one, even if it is Final Fantasy VII. Could you space it for me? Yeah I know I am hopeless lol.
 

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You know, I've never played the game, but I was thinking of getting it.
Hmmm, not looking forward to those minigames...
 

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I'd also like to point out that the criticism of characters and especially antagonists is really subjective. Take Kefka for example. EVERYONE LOVES KEFKA! I do too, but when you think about it, wtf is his motivation? Why is he a freaking maniac? No one knows....[/COLOR]
One of the townspeople in Vector says Kefka was the very first person Cid infused magic into, and something went wrong in the process. That's a good enough reason for me, considering what a bad*** he is.
 

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Honestly, I really don't seen why anyone would still be obsessing over this game when there are many much better RPGs out today.

When I received my PSOne for Christmas I also recieved Crash Bandicoot, Final Fantasy VII, and Tekken2

And for a LONG TIME I was stuck playing FFVII, I was still a little kid at the time so I was in the midst of perfecting my reading skills, and counting numbers and stuff. Now I had to spend about a good 3-4 years beating that game and being so intrigued with it (Since I was still young, like back in the 90's) I played the game again and again. Then I received Final Fantasy Tactics which included Cloud AGAIN! And I went back to playing FFVII. I also received Tekken 3 :) So Everyone has their own reason for being addicted to the game. I know I do, I've been addicted to it since I've played it for so long. It even introduced me to the FF Series so yeah. It is excellent to me because of those reasons. Even with the shady story line and **** it was still great.
Final Fantasy VII: Dirge of Stairs lol

That is my Favorite FF in the series, but it's definetly not the best. I say FFX is the best atm for the battle system and customization of characters, along with the fact that they all just to ****ing awesome.

10truths?
 

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When I received my PSOne for Christmas I also recieved Crash Bandicoot, Final Fantasy VII, and Tekken2

And for a LONG TIME I was stuck playing FFVII, I was still a little kid at the time so I was in the midst of perfecting my reading skills, and counting numbers and stuff. Now I had to spend about a good 3-4 years beating that game and being so intrigued with it (Since I was still young, like back in the 90's) I played the game again and again. Then I received Final Fantasy Tactics which included Cloud AGAIN! And I went back to playing FFVII. I also received Tekken 3 :) So Everyone has their own reason for being addicted to the game. I know I do, I've been addicted to it since I've played it for so long. It even introduced me to the FF Series so yeah. It is excellent to me because of those reasons. Even with the shady story line and **** it was still great.
Final Fantasy VII: Dirge of Stairs lol

That is my Favorite FF in the series, but it's definetly not the best. I say FFX is the best atm for the battle system and customization of characters, along with the fact that they all just to ****ing awesome.

10truths?
You sir, are a victim of that little devil named "nostalgia." Just because you have good memories of something doesn't mean in reality it was crap. When you're a kid, you'll think that anything is cool. And believe me, the memory is always a thousand times better than the actual thing itself.
 

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You sir, are a victim of that little devil named "nostalgia." Just because you have good memories of something doesn't mean in reality it was crap. When you're a kid, you'll think that anything is cool. And believe me, the memory is always a thousand times better than the actual thing itself.
If it was crap I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be so popular as it is today. Not only was it one of the best RPG's for PSone, it's one of the greatest RPGs of all time. I'm not just saying this you actually gatta look at the facts.

The Game has Huge sales for PSOne.
It went from PSOne to Anime to further explain that "crap storyline" you were talking about.
Then, it went from Anime to PS2 to give further explaination of the "character with no feeling" Vincent.
Then they turned it into a Movie to further the story.
After that they made A prequel to the PSOne game on PSP, which further explains the game and the Anime.
On top of all that, that basically made a repeat of the DVD with basically more cutscences.
An added bonus they have a teaser of this "crap game" for the PS3

If it was the actually "Crap" you described it as then I'm pretty sure no one would care two cents about it. But the truth is the way you think about this game there are millions of people who have the opposite opinion that you have. And these are the people that give it the sales and popularity it has today. So I'm pretty sure this game is not crap. It's just your opnion.
 

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If it was crap I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be so popular as it is today. Not only was it one of the best RPG's for PSone, it's one of the greatest RPGs of all time. I'm not just saying this you actually gatta look at the facts.
If you haven't noticed, popular games, books, ect. tend to suck. Gears of War, Twilight, Bleach?

The Game has Huge sales for PSOne.
Wii Fit has huge sales for the Wii, so that must make it one of the best games ever. By your logic, of course.

It went from PSOne to Anime to further explain that "crap storyline" you were talking about.
Because clearly a plot must be down right amazing if it can't even explain itself and has to create spin-offs to do that.

Then, it went from Anime to PS2 to give further explaination of the "character with no feeling" Vincent.
Seeing how DoC's story was your typical "save the world from evil guys" all it really did was elaborate on Vincent's back story. Which, again, a truly good plot would be able to fit into the original story.

Then they turned it into a Movie to further the story.
Advent Children was nothing more than a series of fights with a bunch of cameos and a half-***** plot thrown in. Not much "furthering of the story" here.

After that they made A prequel to the PSOne game on PSP, which further explains the game and the Anime.
Even though Crisis Core was a good game, at this rate it seems like they're trying to just keep the fanboys to keep paying money.

On top of all that, that basically made a repeat of the DVD with basically more cutscences.
Because a series that puts out a rehash of something they already made must be amazing!

An added bonus they have a teaser of this "crap game" for the PS3
Hold on there, now you're making it sound like I don't like Final Fantasy games. I'll inform you that I played an import of Final Fantasy XIII's demo and loved it.

If it was the actually "Crap" you described it as then I'm pretty sure no one would care two cents about it. But the truth is the way you think about this game there are millions of people who have the opposite opinion that you have. And these are the people that give it the sales and popularity it has today. So I'm pretty sure this game is not crap. It's just your opnion.
Once again... Twilight...

And by your logic the popular opinion is always the right one.

All you've really proven is that Final Fantasy VII has a ton of spin-offs. Good job.
 

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I've never played FF VII past like 3-4 hours into it, so I barely can form the foggiest of opinions on it. But that's not the point. What I have to wonder though is why you even do this? You've made it very clear here that you do not like FF VII, that you think it's overrated, and so on. So why do you continue to talk about it? If you don't like it, don't play it. I don't see why it's such a big deal to the point where you have to rail against it on a regular basis.
 

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and for the record, FFX was so horribly easy it was boring, gain 3 sphere levels in any area and you're overpowered, and with the Break Damage Limit option, you could literally beat most of the bosses with one hit

And Nemesis was too easy for being the hardest boss in the English version -_-
 

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You sir, are a victim of that little devil named "nostalgia." Just because you have good memories of something doesn't mean in reality it was crap. When you're a kid, you'll think that anything is cool. And believe me, the memory is always a thousand times better than the actual thing itself.
Just like how all the Super Mario Bro's were crap. Except of course with nostalgia in the mix, we fool ourselves that it was actually a good game.

An excellent game for it's time though, but let's move on with your logic: It's utter crap.

FFVII was great for it's time, there is ultimately no game that is TIMELESS. It's just a remnant of what it once was.
 

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If it was crap I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be so popular as it is today. Not only was it one of the best RPG's for PSone, it's one of the greatest RPGs of all time. I'm not just saying this you actually gatta look at the facts.

The Game has Huge sales for PSOne.
It went from PSOne to Anime to further explain that "crap storyline" you were talking about.
Then, it went from Anime to PS2 to give further explaination of the "character with no feeling" Vincent.
Then they turned it into a Movie to further the story.
After that they made A prequel to the PSOne game on PSP, which further explains the game and the Anime.
On top of all that, that basically made a repeat of the DVD with basically more cutscences.
An added bonus they have a teaser of this "crap game" for the PS3

If it was the actually "Crap" you described it as then I'm pretty sure no one would care two cents about it. But the truth is the way you think about this game there are millions of people who have the opposite opinion that you have. And these are the people that give it the sales and popularity it has today. So I'm pretty sure this game is not crap. It's just your opnion.
That's the saddest thing I've ever heard. As Finalark said, lots of big name franchises still aren't really of good quality. (bleep you on the Gears thing though, I like that game. >_>)

That movie based off it, terrible, at least in DBZ when someone ended a fight it felt like someone actually ****ing ended it, Cloud just pulls a super move out of his ***, Sephiroth barely even flinches, and then kinda poofs away. Any sense of him being 'killed' there is beyond lost to me.

The follow up game with Vincent, super terrible, please, dont even try.


Quality, is not opinion, I'm tired of that bull**** claim. You've yet to pose an argument as to how these characters are so not ****ty, how the plot can be taken seriously when you dont care about the ****ty characters, and also, lololololololololololol that style of gameplay isn't exactly what I'd call riveting and interactive.

EDIT-Also, a little note on this whole "b-but it was good back then" crap. No one has made a statement about the crap graphics/anything technology wise, only story wise. I find the excuse that those kind of terrible characters were somehow ok back then and made the game amazing to be a little on the ****ed up stupid side, but that's just me, and every plot done during the time FFVII came out that had good characters.

>______________>
 

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You know, I've never played the game, but I was thinking of getting it.
Hmmm, not looking forward to those minigames...
Don't worry they aren't really that bad. They're just useless.

You guys need to cut some major crap on the elitism. Please keep in mind that certain things are SUBJECTIVE. I rather liked the story of FFVII because practically everything was good except for the characters, which, in my opinion, were tolerable at least.

Will everyone like the story of FFVII? No. Some people here obviously don't. Does that mean that it is AUTOMATICALLY shoddy work? NO. That is a question up to the interpretation of the individual. No person's opinion is ever going to decide what is good and bad, because the opinions of others often aren't the same.
 

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Yes, Final Fantasy VII the first RPG to be set in modern times in such. But just because a game is set in an original time period/location doesn't mean that it's good.
Earthbound anyone?
 

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So basically, your judging it on YOUR beliefs of ONLY the characters and the story...

I have beaten games and loved them for tons of different reasons.
I have beaten games solely because they have great music,
Crono Cross for example. And that was like a year or two ago,
nostalgia has nothing to do with games or when they came out or any of that crap,
Final Fantasy 7 is good in my opinion, I have my reasons for liking it,
they are good enough reasons for me, so, it is a good game.

And by the way, Wild ARMs,
don`t listen to them, the minigames should be the least of your worries,
I think they actually added to the gameplay a bit.
And they are sparse and easy, trust me, don`t let those get in your way.
 

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I gave FF7 to one of my friends. He likes it so far. I liked the characters, the plot was okay, the battle system was fine, music was great. Yea, the story was confusing and should have kept a log. I only liked a couple of the characters - never cared for cait sith, cid, barret, etc. I could keep up with the main plot of the story, I just had to sort out all the sub-plots as you said. You don't have to like it and that's fine. I'd rather have a hater than a fanboy. I think out of the FF series, it either comes down to 6,7,10 - maybe 8,9 since I haven't played them/ can't find them. I've played 4,6,7,10,10-2 (piece of ****, wasting my time!), 12 (which pretty much sucked too).

6 and 7 are tied for me.
FF 7 has: cloud, sephiroth, a fair -good plot, great music, good battle syst, okay map
FF6 has: celes, terra, shadow, kefka, locke, gogo, etc, strong plot, great music, practically the same battle syst (practically not exactly) and good map.

... you know what, nevermind. I think i might like 6 better haha. Anyway, how's 9? Is it set up like 5 and have classes and stuff? And was leon/squall from 9 or was that 8? I've never seen a copy anywhere.

As for people who hate/like 7 - we agree to disagree.
 

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Just like how all the Super Mario Bro's were crap. Except of course with nostalgia in the mix, we fool ourselves that it was actually a good game.
You do realize that the original Mario Bros. games (I assume you're referencing SMB1-3) still are great platforming games? SMB2 (Both the American and Japanese version -- I've played both) not so much... but SMB1 and SMB3 are still good platformers by todays standards.
 

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We're not being elitist, we've given actual effing reasons as to why the game isn't good, you've given reasons why YOU liked it, not why it's good.

I will say though that One Winged Angel is an amazing song.


I dont hate the ideas in the game, it's the fact that due to crap characters, and the story revolving around them, I cant really freaking care about the plot. And seeing how the gameplay definitely wont be holding me back from leaving a game, I need to care about the plot.
 

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That's the saddest thing I've ever heard. As Finalark said, lots of big name franchises still aren't really of good quality. (bleep you on the Gears thing though, I like that game. >_>)

That movie based off it, terrible, at least in DBZ when someone ended a fight it felt like someone actually ****ing ended it, Cloud just pulls a super move out of his ***, Sephiroth barely even flinches, and then kinda poofs away. Any sense of him being 'killed' there is beyond lost to me.

The follow up game with Vincent, super terrible, please, dont even try.


Quality, is not opinion, I'm tired of that bull**** claim. You've yet to pose an argument as to how these characters are so not ****ty, how the plot can be taken seriously when you dont care about the ****ty characters, and also, lololololololololololol that style of gameplay isn't exactly what I'd call riveting and interactive.

EDIT-Also, a little note on this whole "b-but it was good back then" crap. No one has made a statement about the crap graphics/anything technology wise, only story wise. I find the excuse that those kind of terrible characters were somehow ok back then and made the game amazing to be a little on the ****ed up stupid side, but that's just me, and every plot done during the time FFVII came out that had good characters.

>______________>
Lemme just quote you in stars since I have things to take care of, and I forgot how to do it the correct way lol. nvm figured out how to do it.

That's the saddest thing I've ever heard. As Finalark said, lots of big name franchises still aren't really of good quality. (bleep you on the Gears thing though, I like that game. >_>
I'm sorry that my opinion is the sadest thing you've heard. Oh well I'm not trying to change that. There are a lot of games out there that don't fulfill certain people's quality, therefore making them trash games. RPGs try to target all of their audience and not certain individuals. They try to perfect it for everyone and not off of one persons stand point. You two both have your views on this game, just like I have mine. And since our standpoints aren't the same on this game, we both have our different views on the quality of the game.

That movie based off it, terrible, at least in DBZ when someone ended a fight it felt like someone actually ****ing ended it, Cloud just pulls a super move out of his ***, Sephiroth barely even flinches, and then kinda poofs away. Any sense of him being 'killed' there is beyond lost to me.
Well that's why FFVII and DBZ are different. They're placed in their own universe for a reason. If you don't know Cloud would utterly get his *** whopped by Goku. Cloud could pull as many supers out of his *** it's not going to stop Goku from just pimpsmacking him to death. The reason it felt like DBZ characters finished off a fight is because they literally did finish it off. They had Saga's for every bad guy out there and they always get annihilated by them, rise up draw out the battle some more and then comes the climax where they sex on the bad guy. Great! 20-30- episodes based on a bad guy. Awesome. As for AC they don't fly, and teleport, and throw moves that can destroy the world around every 10 seconds. It's a different universe with different settings. And so that means it's going to have a different style. I guess that just didn't appeal to you though. As for Sephiroth, I'm pretty sure he flinched while getting tore up by Omnislah, and he said that wasn't the end for him so yeah it leaves a lot of other people wondering as well.

The follow up game with Vincent, super terrible, please, dont even try.
I never backed it up trying to say it was good. Don't go their with me.

Quality, is not opinion, I'm tired of that bull**** claim. You've yet to pose an argument as to how these characters are so not ****ty, how the plot can be taken seriously when you dont care about the ****ty characters, and also, lololololololololololol that style of gameplay isn't exactly what I'd call riveting and interactive.
So if you have 2 people next to you and one says I like this game, the quality was good. The other says I hate that game, the quality was horrible. And you said that the quality of the game was so so. It wasn't horrible, but it wasn't excellent. Wouldn't that be opinionated?
Quality is opinion. Especially when your doing a review about a game, it's based on your opinion about it. Also I don't have to pose an argument on how the characters aren't so ****ty, and how I can take the plot seriously if I don't care about the characters. I never called the characters ****ty. And so since I like the characters, it was easy for me to take the plot serious. That's YOU with that problem, so I suggest you try to find that answer out by yourself. And as for the style and gameplay...It's a Turn Based RPG, that was also used in FFVIII,and FFIX so I'm pretty sure it was riveting and interactive if it was used in other games as well. lololololololololololol *Sarcasm*

EDIT-Also, a little note on this whole "b-but it was good back then" crap. No one has made a statement about the crap graphics/anything technology wise, only story wise. I find the excuse that those kind of terrible characters were somehow ok back then and made the game amazing to be a little on the ****ed up stupid side, but that's just me, and every plot done during the time FFVII came out that had good characters.
Your right no one made a statement about the crap graphics or anything technology wise. So why even mention it? Also I never said nothing about b-but it was good back then, I only stated why I love that game, again it was you who said something that wasn't brought up in this conversation. And as for the rest of your statement, yeah it's just you.

If you haven't noticed, popular games, books, ect. tend to suck. Gears of War, Twilight, Bleach?



Wii Fit has huge sales for the Wii, so that must make it one of the best games ever. By your logic, of course.



Because clearly a plot must be down right amazing if it can't even explain itself and has to create spin-offs to do that.



Seeing how DoC's story was your typical "save the world from evil guys" all it really did was elaborate on Vincent's back story. Which, again, a truly good plot would be able to fit into the original story.



Advent Children was nothing more than a series of fights with a bunch of cameos and a half-***** plot thrown in. Not much "furthering of the story" here.



Even though Crisis Core was a good game, at this rate it seems like they're trying to just keep the fanboys to keep paying money.



Because a series that puts out a rehash of something they already made must be amazing!



Hold on there, now you're making it sound like I don't like Final Fantasy games. I'll inform you that I played an import of Final Fantasy XIII's demo and loved it.



Once again... Twilight...

And by your logic the popular opinion is always the right one.

All you've really proven is that Final Fantasy VII has a ton of spin-offs. Good job.
If you haven't noticed, popular games, books, ect. tend to suck. Gears of War, Twilight, Bleach?
Gears wasn't bad, I'm not a twilight fan, and Bleach is just ewww eww nasty.

Wii Fit has huge sales for the Wii, so that must make it one of the best games ever. By your logic, of course.
It's good that Wii fit has huge sales, but it doesn't make itone of the best games ever. I stated that since FFVII has huge sales and has so many other series for it CC AC and etc. That is what makes it one of the best RPGs off all time. Not just sales.

Because clearly a plot must be down right amazing if it can't even explain itself and has to create spin-offs to do that.
A plot can be amazing in a lot of different ways. The plot explained itself what it didn't do was explain Vincent thoroughly, nor did it explain who this Zack character was. And because they sparked so much curiosity they made more to it. They did something different, and you don't like it I got it.

Seeing how DoC's story was your typical "save the world from evil guys" all it really did was elaborate on Vincent's back story. Which, again, a truly good plot would be able to fit into the original story.
As I said before a plot can do a variety of things. The game was spamed on 3 discs,They could have done anything on those 3 discs and they did. Might not have been what you wanted but they surely wove together a good plot.

Advent Children was nothing more than a series of fights with a bunch of cameos and a half-***** plot thrown in. Not much "furthering of the story" here.
The main reason I watch AC is for the fight scenes lol. Yeah you caught me. lol

Even though Crisis Core was a good game, at this rate it seems like they're trying to just keep the fanboys to keep paying money.
I'm glad me and you can agree on something.

Because a series that puts out a rehash of something they already made must be amazing!
For the fanboys,yes....sadly yes.


Hold on there, now you're making it sound like I don't like Final Fantasy games.
Sorry if that's how I make you feel but I know that's not the case. You were just talking about Lordofthemorning about FFIX so it would be ignorance if I were to assume something like that. I'm strictly talking about FFVII and some of the meaningless stuff they've put out there. I am in no way trying to say that you don't like FF.

Once again... Twilight...

And by your logic the popular opinion is always the right one.

All you've really proven is that Final Fantasy VII has a ton of spin-offs. Good job
I know nothing of twilight to say if it was good or bad
No the popular opinion is not always the right one
And I feel as if I've proven more than that.
 

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Way to miss my point by a mile stone.

The point is that the story is basically garbage if it revolves around characters who I think we can all agree weren't too amazing. No one has argued anything against this, which is why this debate is going in circles. So how about cutting this 'everything is opinion' bull****.

Your right no one made a statement about the crap graphics or anything technology wise. So why even mention it? Also I never said nothing about b-but it was good back then, I only stated why I love that game, again it was you who said something that wasn't brought up in this conversation. And as for the rest of your statement, yeah it's just you.
Um, are you blind or an arse? The point that it was 'good back then' was brought up by someone else, you aren't the only one here so read the ****ing topic plz.

Also, Finalark said you were a victim of nostalgia because your post screamed nostalgic fanboy-ness. I've never had the stones to say my opinion equals quality. Quality isn't a ****ing opinion, how much you enjoyed it and why is. Stop being an arse and ****ing my points up.
 

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FFVII is one of the better games I've played.

I played FFX and FFVI before FFVII and VII is the only one I actually wanted to finish because it was, well, good. Not necessarily better than the others, just, had a more story and characters you attached to because, even if their personality weren't all that original, they sticked to it. Even if it was released in 1997, the story deals with problems still present in society, the music is just magnificent for MIDI files and the gameplay didn't feel stacked like FFX and FFVI was just an unpolished FFVII even if the story and/or one of two character design was better than one or two character design of the other.

But, with everything that somehow becomes better than everything else, people make a religion out of it, and other people that didn't find the game to their taste try to ridicule those who like it by bringing every little detail that doesn't go their way then compare it to another game who they don't do the same and basically everyone at that point is biased.
 

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Is anyone ever going to address a point that we make...ever? No one has actually done the task of explaining how a plot revolving around terrible characters can somehow drive you to LOVE it, and how that's quality when stories with characters you could care about are out there. All I've seen so far is notalgia bs that annoys the hell out of me, because you all avoid the actual ****ing point, and just hide behind that 'everything is opinion' crap.
 

kr3wman

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I just do.

If you need a 5000 word essay on why I liked FFVII plot and characters, then you won't get one because I just do. I mean, I also liked FFI (The first!) plot because, well, there was none to complain about! And people complain about there being none!

See how stupid this is? Opinion-driven arguments is only perpetuated by those that, like you Falcon, think they can win something out of it.

Well guess what?

You won't.
 

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FF7 is still my favorite game. Call me a fanboy but I played every Final Fantasy and my first one was 9, yet when I played 7 I could easily say it was the best game I had ever played. Still holds that title, about 8/9 years later...

And I've gone through a LOT of games. Your rant is subjective.
 

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Final Fantasy VII is overrated. There are WAY more better RPGs out there.
There are so many RPGs that were overshadowed because of it, and/or way more deserving.

Examples:
Earthbound
Persona 2: Eternal Punishment
Skies of Arcadia
and the list goes on and on....
 

Falconv1.0

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I just do.

If you need a 5000 word essay on why I liked FFVII plot and characters, then you won't get one because I just do. I mean, I also liked FFI (The first!) plot because, well, there was none to complain about! And people complain about there being none!

See how stupid this is? Opinion-driven arguments is only perpetuated by those that, like you Falcon, think they can win something out of it.

Well guess what?

You won't.
Still missing the point by a mile. If you dont actually have an argument to pose there's no reason in ****ing responding to the rant. I actually posed a question, no one has given me an answer. It doesn't require "5,000 words", I think more like 1-3 sentences would do a great job of explaining what made the plot good, not good FOR YOU, but just WHAT MADE IT ****ING GOOD.

The story revolves around a certain group of characters, and those characters suck, thus, shouldn't that mean the plot isn't that interesting because you cant care about the characters?


It's so ****ing simple, stop dodging the question or stop responding, Jesus Christ.
 

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12 (which pretty much sucked too).
Sorry, but XII was a great game. Okay, that's an overstatement, it's a great game if you can comprehend the dialog. If you can do that you'll find an amazing story with interesting characters. Although the game play can go die in a fire, stupid license system...

... you know what, nevermind. I think i might like 6 better haha.
Welcome to the club.

Anyway, how's 9? Is it set up
like 5 and have classes and stuff? And was leon/squall from 9 or was that 8? I've never seen a copy anywhere.
Leon was from VIII. Zidane was the main character in IX. As far as game play, goes, each character has a preassigned class. As they level up they learn new abilities, but yes, there is still customization. Each character has various abilities that come with their weapons and armor that you can attach to them in order to give them a new command in battle, up their HP, ect. Think the abilities system in Kingdom Hearts.

And by the way, FFIX story > FFVII.

As for people who hate/like 7 - we agree to disagree.
I'm glad that we agree on something.
 

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Still missing the point by a mile. If you dont actually have an argument to pose there's no reason in ****ing responding to the rant. I actually posed a question, no one has given me an answer. It doesn't require "5,000 words", I think more like 1-3 sentences would do a great job of explaining what made the plot good, not good FOR YOU, but just WHAT MADE IT ****ING GOOD.

The story revolves around a certain group of characters, and those characters suck, thus, shouldn't that mean the plot isn't that interesting because you cant care about the characters?


It's so ****ing simple, stop dodging the question or stop responding, Jesus Christ.
Well for him, it IS GOOD. That is what makes it good.
If that is not the answer, who cares how many miles off we are,
you are just asking stupid questions why people would like it, and then saying they are wrong-.-How could he speak for everyone, it only matters why he likes it?

One thing I can definaltely agree on is it is overrated,
it is still good to me,

but Final Fantasy 9 deserves just as much(if not way more)
attention.

Actually, same for any FF game.
 

LordoftheMorning

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We're not being elitist, we've given actual effing reasons as to why the game isn't good, you've given reasons why YOU liked it, not why it's good.

I will say though that One Winged Angel is an amazing song.


I dont hate the ideas in the game, it's the fact that due to crap characters, and the story revolving around them, I cant really freaking care about the plot. And seeing how the gameplay definitely wont be holding me back from leaving a game, I need to care about the plot.

But this is subjective! You don't like it because you care more about the characters than other aspects of the story, and you also care more about them than the gameplay. These are not everyone's priorities, which means your judgment of the game is specific to you and will not necessarily carry over to other people.
 
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