Rate their Chances: the DLC Edition. Day: 192: The final day

[Strider_Bond00J]

Ryu...

Chances: 98%
I think the soundfiles are enough evidence to prove that Ryu is on his way. If they were remixed like any other theme, it'd stick out even more.

Wants: 75%
Although more hyped for my Boy Roy, I'd happily welcome Ryu for what it's worth - he's pretty much one of the reasons Super Smash Bros exists today! Nobody ever would have expected Ryu after Mega Man, but if there's one thing to prove him worthy of Smash... "The answer lies... in the heart of battle!" But is he my 1st pic for a new Capcom character? To that, I say...

Phoenix Wright's chances: 9%
This day's going to be hard cause I love Phoenix so much... :|

Nomination: Sylux (Metroid Prime Hunters) X3
Yu Narukami (Persona 4) X2 (Evidence he's appeared on a Nintendo platform: Persona Q - Shadow of the Labyrinth)

 

[Nintendotard]

Ryu

Chances: 90%
Want: 10%

A lot of people are arguing that there's only one source but apparently a super trustworthy hacking site confirmed the files were there. And yeah Ryu's theme is straight from SFII but look at Sonic. Maybe same reason? Probably not, could just be a placeholder for all we know. Anyway, I don't really care for Ryu, sure he's iconic and I am a fighting game person, I respect the SF franchise even if I suck at it, but Mario is basically our "Ryu" for this game, and having the actual one, while interesting, is super unnecessary, especially with Mega Man. Ryu is basically Capcom's mascot as of late because of Mega Man's exile, I'd rather we just have the true mascot and not get his lime light taken from Ryu again...

None the less if he makes it, I'd be more open arms than I was with Dark Pit originally lol.

Predictions
Phoenix Wright: 9%

Nominations:

Daisy x4
Crash Bandicoot

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I am starting to lose faith in our critical thinking skills....

Ryu 99%
Want: 70%

Phoenix Wright: 6%

Ivysaur x 5


I'm going to rant....

I'm getting real sick of these little tin foil conspiracy theories.

It can't be a Brawler outfit or else it would be with the other Mii outfits. WHICH ARE COMPLETELY SEPARATE FILE TYPES PUT IN COMPLETELY SEPARATE PLACES!

If you think it leftover data, then EXPLAIN WHY IT WAS ADDED IN AFTER THE FACT ALONG WITH DATA FOR LUCAS!

If you think the music would be something that played when a hypothetical Ryu costume was in play, then EXPLAIN WHY SAKURAI WOULD BE OKAY WITH GETTING RID OF THE MY MUSIC FUNCTION!?!?!

THIS IS DOWNRIGHT LUNACY

THIS IS WORSE THAN DENYING THE ESRB LEAK!

THIS IS WORSE THAN SAYING GEMATSU HAD NOTHING RIGHT!

THIS IS WORSE THAN THE RIDLEY SHADOW THEORIES!!!

I mean... what the heck...

Are you guys that opposed to Ryu?

Are you ignoring reality because you hate him that much?

Take off your tin foil hats....

 

[Senselessbreak]

When it comes to guessing, nothings 100%, but incase of Ryu and Roy....they are 100%. Too much evidence, and support material.

Chance 100%

Want: 10%

Hes growing on me. Same reason as Roy, except yadda yadda fighting game mascot yyadda yadda.

Nominate: x 5 Dog Like Dude "Boney" from Mother 3

 

[YoshiandToad]

Spoiler

K. Rool
Day missed. Absent.

Banjo-Kazooie
Chance: 9%, Want: 85%

Isaac
Chance: 55%, Want: 75%

Bandana Dee
Chance: 40%, Want: 100%

Captain Toad
Chance: 45%, Want: 100%

Krystal
Chance: 25%, Want: 50%

Dixie Kong
Chance: 66%, Want: 100%

Impa
Chance: 28%, Want: 100%

Shantae
Chance: 1%, Want: 5%

Inklings
Chance: 62%, Want: 70%

Rayman
Chance: 33%, Want: 90%


Day missed. Whoops.


Chance: 100%, Want: 80%

Shovel Knight
Chance: 0.3%, Want: 0%

Quote
Chance: 0.5%, Want: 3%


Chance: 5%, Want: 10%

Sceptile
Chance: 20%, Want: 55%

Wonder Red
Chance: 15%, Want: 68%

Promoted NPCs
Chance: 25%, Want: 100%

Henry Fleming:
Day missed.

Paper Mario
Chance: 30%, Want: 75%


Chance: 99%, Want: 80%

RIDLEY
Chance: 5%, Want: 48%

Chorus Men
Chance: 9%, Want: 0%

DLC Costumes
Chance: 45%, Want: 50%

Magolor
Chance: 2%, Want: 2%

Midna (and Wolf Link)
Chance: 4%, Want: 30%

Ray MK#
Chance: 8%, Want: 23%

Tetra
Chance: 20%, Want: 25%


Chance: 45%, Want: 85%

RYU
Chance: 99%
MAN. I remember last time I rated this guy and gave him 2%. Which was the highest rating anyone gave him. Now look at him.

So Sakurai's a big Street Fighter fan, Ryu's essentially "Mr. Fighting Games" and arguably the most recognizable character from the genre(Although Chun-Li is pretty close too). We should of seen this coming, but the fan theory of one character per company killed him off in many people's minds. Do'h.

The data mining basically secures it IMO. Ryu, as sad as I am to say, is the next most iconic video game character of all time after the previous third parties we've had. Sorry Rayman.

Want: 60%
I like Ryu and respect his fame, but Street Fighter was never my game(and even then I played Dhalsim more). It is however one of my best friend's favourite games, so I'm sure to be throwing eggs into Ryu's face in the near future for some much deserved payback. EGGSHELLUYKEN.

PREDICTION! 8%

Nomination:
X 5

 

[Amiiboshiibo]

Ryu:
Chances: 90% - That datamining is pretty legit, but Sakurai loves to troll. Then again, that would mean he knows that we hack, soo...

Want: 60% - Ryu can be a unique fighter if they include things like an EX gauge. However, if he gets in, I'll be opposed to any other fighting character getting in at all.

Predictions - Phoenix Wright:
Chances: 24%
Want: 68%

Nominations:
Ninten x5

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

I am starting to lose faith in our critical thinking skills....

Ryu 99%
Want: 70%

Phoenix Wright: 6%

Ivysaur x 5


I'm going to rant....

I'm getting real sick of these little tin foil conspiracy theories.

It can't be a Brawler outfit or else it would be with the other Mii outfits. WHICH ARE COMPLETELY SEPARATE FILE TYPES PUT IN COMPLETELY SEPARATE PLACES!

If you think it leftover data, then EXPLAIN WHY IT WAS ADDED IN AFTER THE FACT ALONG WITH DATA FOR LUCAS!

If you think the music would be something that played when a hypothetical Ryu costume was in play, then EXPLAIN WHY SAKURAI WOULD BE OKAY WITH GETTING RID OF THE MY MUSIC FUNCTION!?!?!

THIS IS DOWNRIGHT LUNACY

THIS IS WORSE THAN DENYING THE ESRB LEAK!

THIS IS WORSE THAN SAYING GEMATSU HAD NOTHING RIGHT!

THIS IS WORSE THAN THE RIDLEY SHADOW THEORIES!!!

I mean... what the heck...

Are you guys that opposed to Ryu?

Are you ignoring reality because you hate him that much?

Take off your tin foil hats....

I would also like to point out to all the ignorant people out there....

HAVING MEGA MAN IN SMASH 4 DOES NOT MEAN RYU CANNOT BE IN AS DLC!

People don't seem to realize that if the Smash Dev team did not get permission to use the Ryu stage theme and victory theme in Smash, Capcom USA would be able to sue the **** out of Nintendo for using something that isn't theirs.

Also, having Mega Man being in Smash did not ever mean Ryu couldn't be in, because Capcom Japan owns EVERY Capcom IP, EXCEPT Street Fighter, which is owned by Capcom USA.

And it couldn't be a troll, I'm pretty sure Sakurai wouldn't risked getting sued by putting files in an update

/rant
I'm out....

 

[Starbound]

Ryu: 100% Chance (really more like 99.99999999...% but yeah)/ 65% Want

He's in as far as I'm concerned. We have actual hardcore evidence (the same we had when Shulk and Bowser Jr. were leaked). That's what Ryu and Roy should be compared to. Not Gematsu. Not Miah. Not Tower of Smash. The ESRB Leak is the only leak that has had any evidence towards it and looked what happened with it (it was right, to no one's surprise. Or at least, you shouldn't have been surprised). Every other leak, no matter how much it got right (Gematsu) lacked any form of evidence.

As for want, I've never played Street Fighter and I don't really want to. But I'm legit salty that Ryu got announced because his announcement would blow the doors off of smash speculation because so many rules we have would be shattered (especially that one third party character per company "rule"). It would bring around a revolution that hasn't been seen since Snake at E3 2006.

 

[IvanQuote]

Ryu:

Chance: 80%

There are music files in the game. I've nothing else to say.

Want: 0%

I'm ill and still in studying mode so I'll make this quick; Ryu has his own fighting game series. Many of Nintendo's characters will never get the chance to be in a fighting game outside of Smash. Give other characters the chance to be in the game. (Hell, I'd prefer Blaziken over Ryu with Focus Blast, Sky Uppercut, "Spinning" Blaze Kick, whatever else Ryu has. This is hypocritical on so many levels considering my view on anymore Pokémon, Pokken Tournament, etc, I know. I just really don't want Ryu)

Phoenix Wrong:
Chance: 23%

Want: 43%

Nom:
Moonstruck Blossom x2

Homecoming Hijinx x3

 

[Kenith]

Ryu:
Chance: 99.9%. A decimal point docked because nothing is certain...but I mean, come on. He can't be a Mii costume, he can't be an Assist Trophy, cameo, or whatever else; the sound files for him were founds with other character files, Nintendo wouldn't add scrapped data through a patch, and they wouldn't use another company's characters without permission to troll dataminers.
The only way Ryu won't be in Smash if it's some insane scenario nobody could have predicted.
At this point it shouldn't be a question of if, but when.

Want: 20%. Could care less about him. I want a Resident Evil character and Amaterasu in Smash Bros. before a Street Fighter character, much less Ryu. I do want to see how he translates to Smash though and I don't hate him.

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Phoenix Wright prediction: 12%.
I think consideration of Ryu will cause people to rate him pretty low. Expecting to see a lot of Objection memes.
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Nominations:
Jill Valentine x5

 

[Moydow]

I think people are more interested in seeing how many gifs and "There is a clear contradiction in your rating!" we get tomorrow, than actually rating Nick

 

[PK_Wonder]

@ YoshiandToad , correction, I gave Ryu a 3.2% in the original RTC.

Ryu
Chances - 98%
Unless some drastic development happens where Capcom and Nintendo cancel whatever partnership has been decided upon, Ryu is in the game. We have the evidence, and I'm not denying it. He is very marketable. Also, very iconic and the only fighting character who really could stand a chance of breaking Sakurai's rule.

Want - 100%
I went back and forth on this for awhile when the "leak" happened. Ryu is a character I never really supported prior to the full roster being revealed; although I'm pretty sure I was the one that nominated him to be rated in the original RTC just because he is such an icon. I don't play fighting games that aren't Smash though. Traditional fighters are not my cup of tea (Super Street Fighter II: The New Challengers on VC is the only non-Smash, true fighter I own... though that will change with Pokken).

Then I realized; Smash may not even exist if it wasn't for Ryu. Ryu deserves this. Street Fighter found a console home and was possibly saved on the SNES with its many iterations, so he has a stronger mix of Nintendo history/gaming all-star status than any other third party not currently in with maybe two exceptions. He's not just a gaming icon or a fighting icon. He's one of the few, the proud, the elite. The third party characters who can honestly make a claim for being a Nintendo icon. No, I don't play much Street Fighter. But I play a lot of video games. and that's what Smash Bros. is all about. Celebrating history of my favorite hobby. Ryu, I salute you.


Nominate -
Terra Branford (Final Fantasy) x5

 

[MainJPW]

Ryu:

Chances: 99.9%

Sound files, you CANNOT argue with in-game data, data that was patched in mind you.
Now I want to go back and give Roy the same score instead of a 98.

Want: 80%

There are characters I want to see before Ryu, but he's cool; can't wait to see how he plays.

Phoenix Wright Prediction: 7%

Nomination:
Ninten x5

 

[Mikegamer0608]

Ryu

Chance: 95%
Want: 100%

Can't argue with ingame sound files.

Nom: Dragon Quest Hero with slime x5

 

[FalKoopa]

RYU:
CHANCE: 95%
WANT: 50%

Ryu was found along side Roy in the 1.0.6 patch files, and there's little reason to not give him the same rating as Roy. I do believe it's credible, plus there's the fact that Capcom loves to put him everywhere.

As for want, well, I'm not into fighting games outside of Smash. I never could get into any of them. So, I don't really care about him either way.

PHOENIX WRIGHT PREDICTION: 4%
He deserved to be in over Ryu, in my perfectly unbiased opinion.

IVYSAUR × 5

 

[N3ON]

Btw, to people saying there's only one source, there's a difference between a single source reporting the "leak" and multiple sources reporting the same "leak". What we've got with Roy and Ryu is the latter, there are multiple sources reporting the same thing. It's not a single leaker, it's a multiple people leaking the same thing.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Ryu
Chance: 99.9%
Want: 50%

Young Link [Unmasked] x5

 

[Leafeon]

@ Leafeon523
Yeah, doesn't matter how many credible people confirm actual perceptible data is present, all leaks are not only worthless, but as credible as a single source reporting on something with no tangible evidence.

C'mon now...

Also last time I checked there was only one piece of info regarding Gematsu that doesn't line up exactly with fact. But if we assume Sakurai was bending the truth about that one part, which he's known to do, then it's all accounted for.

You tagged me on accident huh...?

 

[N3ON]

You tagged me on accident huh...?

yep

 

[AreJay25]

Ryu
Chance - 99%
The sound files have no reason to be a red herring. The only way he isn't getting in is if Sakurai randomly decides to cut him at the last second, and that's pretty unlikely.

Want - 100%
Street Fighter is a great franchise, and Ryu is such a legendary character. It makes way too much sense for him to be in the game.

Prediction
Phoenix Wright - 5%
With two Capcom characters, I don't see this happening at all.

 

[A Distant Demon]

BTW something Vaanrose brought up a while ago.
street fighter is owned by capcom USA meaning nintendo had to make a deal with a different entity to get ryu then mega man. Do you really expect that they would go to a seperate company to get the rights to use ryu. . . For a costume?

Facepalmed reeeeal hard last page after what i posted last night. Fun times.

Chane 99.9999%
The fules are there and anyone who doesnt believe so is in denial. For the files to be for a costume or scrapped requires a huge jump in logic.

Want 60%
dont like 2d fighting games in general (except smash obviously ) but ill take a huge gaming legend who lets me sxream SHORYOUKEN over and over

Prediction
6.4%

Noms
viridi 2
roy has awakening as default 2
4th mii class 1

 

[Martingale]

No, How You Doin', Ken? Ryu Chances
Chances: 95%
The highest chance rating I believe I've given and likely the highest I will give. Sound files confirmed added in the 1.0.8 patch by various sources of a third-party character which Nintendo couldn't even include in the game without express permission from Capcom are a little hard to deny. There isn't much for debate here. Ryu has almost basically been confirmed, and the only thing that could possibly happen to this process would be that Ryu and Roy were originally planned to be in the first DLC pack but for some reason or another were scrapped, and the sound files from this pack were lazily not removed properly when the patch was put in. (We can't put that past the Smash team at this point-- a lot of unused data exists in all games). It's unlikely, but possible. So for that reason it's not a solid 100, but close enough.

Want: 20%
I'm not a fan of Street Fighter. I dunno, maybe it's just something about fighting games where you have to monitor a health bar; they don't appeal to me. Smash is the only one I can really get behind for subverting that. However, having one of the iconic characters of Street Fighter and the arcade fighter genre in general is really big for Smash. I'd be interested to see the team's interpretation of Ryu, even if it would take me a long time to get used to, or even accept, his inclusion. I might warm up to him eventually. Who knows.

Phoenix Wright Prediction: 6.66%
The evidence suggests there's no way in hell Phoenix is getting in. Before I listen to any objections, and start to contradict myself, I just believe that when people say "we could just use sets similar to Marvel v Capcom!", they're not really getting it. Phoenix's set was very complex looking there, featuring many different modes with an array of different attacks in those modes. That doesn't translate well. I'll hold it until tomorrow, but you'll have to take that for now.

Professor Layton v Phoenix Wright? That's a fight I want to see. Here in RTC, we fight with percentages! Five nominations for the short stack in the top hat (Layton is 5'9" hat included. Making him shorter than Little Mac without his hat! This is your reason to vote for tiny fancy gentleman.)

 

[TheAnvil]

I am starting to lose faith in our critical thinking skills....

Ryu 99%
Want: 70%

Phoenix Wright: 6%

Ivysaur x 5


I'm going to rant....

I'm getting real sick of these little tin foil conspiracy theories.

It can't be a Brawler outfit or else it would be with the other Mii outfits. WHICH ARE COMPLETELY SEPARATE FILE TYPES PUT IN COMPLETELY SEPARATE PLACES!

If you think it leftover data, then EXPLAIN WHY IT WAS ADDED IN AFTER THE FACT ALONG WITH DATA FOR LUCAS!

If you think the music would be something that played when a hypothetical Ryu costume was in play, then EXPLAIN WHY SAKURAI WOULD BE OKAY WITH GETTING RID OF THE MY MUSIC FUNCTION!?!?!

THIS IS DOWNRIGHT LUNACY

THIS IS WORSE THAN DENYING THE ESRB LEAK!

THIS IS WORSE THAN SAYING GEMATSU HAD NOTHING RIGHT!

THIS IS WORSE THAN THE RIDLEY SHADOW THEORIES!!!

I mean... what the heck...

Are you guys that opposed to Ryu?

Are you ignoring reality because you hate him that much?

Take off your tin foil hats....

Don't worry about it. People made a fuss over Pac Man too, and now everyone loves him. It's just bandwagoning.

 

[4theRECORD]

Ryu (Street Fighter)

Chance:80%
So yeah...the leak. Audio files are out, confirmed by multiple sources, added post-game, etc. I really have no option but to give this guy a high score.

But wait, didn't I give Roy, the other half of the leak, a higher percentage than Ryu? Didn't I, in fact, give Roy a whopping 90%?

I'm going to warn you beforehand that bias might play a part in this, but I'll try to explain, though there really isn't much to do. It's just that while watching both sides of this argument and thinking up my own thoughts on the leak, I've been slowly leaning towards the side that maybe, the leak isn't as concrete as I originally thought. I wasn't the type of person that has a firm belief in the first place, and thus it is easy for me to switch sides. Especially when the argument is something I agree with. I'm not steeping low enough to go and say the leaks are fake or anything(Though I belive anyone who thought like that has died out by this point), but it certainly is possible that they're scrapped data, Mii costumes, or any of the many arguments that the anti-Ryu side of the Smash fanbase will think up. This DLC is something completely new and unexperienced, and I'm not an expert at this kind of stuff, so my imagination thinks up the weirdest kind of stuff and I...fall into a state of confusion.

I honestly don't know what to think of at this point. He's still the most likely third party character out there, but there are things that just feel so wrong.

Oh, and the one thing that bugs me the most are the audio files itself. From what I've been hearing, it's the same tune as the original SF2, right? Why the hell is it the same? Roy I can understand, but why Ryu? Yes it could be placefolder, but if they already have the permission to use him why not just make the tune already? So weird...


Want:0%(Originally 80%)
I already wrote this on the first half, but I currently have no desire whatsoever for Ryu to be in Smash. Yes he's a cool character, a very iconic character, but almost no one was literally asking for him within the Smash fanbase, not even the Street Fighter fanbase. And he has no, absolutely no connection with Nintendo as of today. Sure he had Street Fighter II on the SFC, but that's two decades ago(I think) and he hasn't had a Nintendo exclusive since, unless you count the 3D Edition of SFIV as an exclusive. Heck, does he even have a Nintendo exclusive? I can't think up of one right now.

But his lack of familiarity with Nintendo consoles isn't the main issue, or else I wouldn't be at all supportive of Snake or Rayman. The part that bugs me the most is that we already have a Capcom rep in the form of Mega Man, and I do not want two Capcom reps in a game that is mostly about Nintendo all-stars. Yes I know it dropped that part after Brawl, but I still consider it to be a defining part of the game, especially the part that says "Nintendo". And it really isn't fair to other companies either, why not give them another? Give Sega Jack Frost or Arle. Give Namco Lloyd/Luke. Or why not bring back Snake and have him bring Simon along with him. Though they shouldn't, because this will result in an overflow of third parties. It will be disgusting...

I just feel really uneasy with the idea of two third party "guests", even if they are iconic. The only time I would be okay with Ryu is if someone else's idea actually became true, as in Nintendo buys out the Mega Man IP and with Capcom no longer having a "Capcom rep", they put Ryu in instead. At which Ryu's want scores would skyrocket to 80%, but I seriously doubt that's happening.

But seriously, why the heck are many of you okay so easy with a second Capcom rep, I don't understand...



Predictions:Pheonix Wright 5%
Same position with Ryu, minus the leak. That's where he stands.

Nominations:Slime x5
That recent announcement of Dragon Quest VIII for 3DS is getting me curious. This will allow for all the main Dragon Quest games to be playable solely on Nintendo platforms, it miiight mean something...


P.S.Can anyone link to me to where the hacked audio files could be heard? I am unable to find where the original decoded data is, only videos of people taking music from the actual games and not the leak itself...

 

[TheAnvil]

Ryu (Street Fighter)

Chance:80%
So yeah...the leak. Audio files are out, confirmed by multiple sources, added post-game, etc. I really have no option but to give this guy a high score.

But wait, didn't I give Roy, the other half of the leak, a higher percentage than Ryu? Didn't I, in fact, give Roy a whopping 90%?

I'm going to warn you beforehand that bias might play a part in this, but I'll try to explain, though there really isn't much to do. It's just that while watching both sides of this argument and thinking up my own thoughts on the leak, I've been slowly leaning towards the side that maybe, the leak isn't as concrete as I originally thought. I wasn't the type of person that has a firm belief in the first place, and thus it is easy for me to switch sides. Especially when the argument is something I agree with. I'm not steeping low enough to go and say the leaks are fake or anything(Though I belive anyone who thought like that has died out by this point), but it certainly is possible that they're scrapped data, Mii costumes, or any of the many arguments that the anti-Ryu side of the Smash fanbase will think up. This DLC is something completely new and unexperienced, and I'm not an expert at this kind of stuff, so my imagination thinks up the weirdest kind of stuff and I...fall into a state of confusion.

I honestly don't know what to think of at this point. He's still the most likely third party character out there, but there are things that just feel so wrong.

Oh, and the one thing that bugs me the most are the audio files itself. From what I've been hearing, it's the same tune as the original SF2, right? Why the hell is it the same? Roy I can understand, but why Ryu? Yes it could be placefolder, but if they already have the permission to use him why not just make the tune already? So weird...


Want:0%(Originally 80%)
I already wrote this on the first half, but I currently have no desire whatsoever for Ryu to be in Smash. Yes he's a cool character, a very iconic character, but almost no one was literally asking for him within the Smash fanbase, not even the Street Fighter fanbase. And he has no, absolutely no connection with Nintendo as of today. Sure he had Street Fighter II on the SFC, but that's two decades ago(I think) and he hasn't had a Nintendo exclusive since, unless you count the 3D Edition of SFIV as an exclusive. Heck, does he even have a Nintendo exclusive? I can't think up of one right now.

But his lack of familiarity with Nintendo consoles isn't the main issue, or else I wouldn't be at all supportive of Snake or Rayman. The part that bugs me the most is that we already have a Capcom rep in the form of Mega Man, and I do not want two Capcom reps in a game that is mostly about Nintendo all-stars. Yes I know it dropped that part after Brawl, but I still consider it to be a defining part of the game, especially the part that says "Nintendo". And it really isn't fair to other companies either, why not give them another? Give Sega Jack Frost or Arle. Give Namco Lloyd/Luke. Or why not bring back Snake and have him bring Simon along with him. Though they shouldn't, because this will result in an overflow of third parties. It will be disgusting...

I just feel really uneasy with the idea of two third party "guests", even if they are iconic. The only time I would be okay with Ryu is if someone else's idea actually became true, as in Nintendo buys out the Mega Man IP and with Capcom no longer having a "Capcom rep", they put Ryu in instead. At which Ryu's want scores would skyrocket to 80%, but I seriously doubt that's happening.

But seriously, why the heck are many of you okay so easy with a second Capcom rep, I don't understand...



Predictions:Pheonix Wright 5%
Same position with Ryu, minus the leak. That's where he stands.

Nominations:Slime x5
That recent announcement of Dragon Quest VIII for 3DS is getting me curious. This will allow for all the main Dragon Quest games to be playable solely on Nintendo platforms, it miiight mean something...


P.S.Can anyone link to me to where the hacked audio files could be heard? I am unable to find where the original decoded data is, only videos of people taking music from the actual games and not the leak itself...

I don't understand this "capcom already has a rep" nonsense. Tell me why that Capcom's contribution to the world of gaming (and by extension Smash) should be minimised just because other companies haven't had as big of an impact as them?

The only other character you could argue for Namco that was iconic enough would be Ms. Pac Man, who would be redundant. And for SEGA, Tails, but seeing as how he's from the same franchise as Sonic, that puts him way lower than Ryu should be.

Capcom have 3 of the biggest gaming franchises of all time underneath their belts, all with significant ties to Nintendo. Ryu is a character who is so important to gaming, that Smash wouldn't even exist without him. He's quintessentially Capcom's most important character, their mascot. Street Fighter 2 was a huge part of what made Nintendo the juggernaut that it still is today, it's the most successful 3rd Party game on any Nintendo system, ever.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

I don't understand this "capcom already has a rep" nonsense. Tell me why that Capcom's contribution to the world of gaming (and by extension Smash) should be minimised just because other companies haven't had as big of an impact as them?

The only other character you could argue for Namco that was iconic enough would be Ms. Pac Man, who would be redundant. And for SEGA, Tails, but seeing as how he's from the same franchise as Sonic, that puts him way lower than Ryu should be.

Capcom have 3 of the biggest gaming franchises of all time underneath their belts, all with significant ties to Nintendo. Ryu is a character who is so important to gaming, that Smash wouldn't even exist without him. He's quintessentially Capcom's most important character, their mascot. Street Fighter 2 was a huge part of what made Nintendo the juggernaut that it still is today, it's the most successful 3rd Party game on any Nintendo system, ever.

And for the fact that Capcom Japan and Capcom USA are essentially two separate entities.

Ryu (Street Fighter)

Chance:80%
So yeah...the leak. Audio files are out, confirmed by multiple sources, added post-game, etc. I really have no option but to give this guy a high score.

But wait, didn't I give Roy, the other half of the leak, a higher percentage than Ryu? Didn't I, in fact, give Roy a whopping 90%?

I'm going to warn you beforehand that bias might play a part in this, but I'll try to explain, though there really isn't much to do. It's just that while watching both sides of this argument and thinking up my own thoughts on the leak, I've been slowly leaning towards the side that maybe, the leak isn't as concrete as I originally thought. I wasn't the type of person that has a firm belief in the first place, and thus it is easy for me to switch sides. Especially when the argument is something I agree with. I'm not steeping low enough to go and say the leaks are fake or anything(Though I belive anyone who thought like that has died out by this point), but it certainly is possible that they're scrapped data, Mii costumes, or any of the many arguments that the anti-Ryu side of the Smash fanbase will think up. This DLC is something completely new and unexperienced, and I'm not an expert at this kind of stuff, so my imagination thinks up the weirdest kind of stuff and I...fall into a state of confusion.

I honestly don't know what to think of at this point. He's still the most likely third party character out there, but there are things that just feel so wrong.

Oh, and the one thing that bugs me the most are the audio files itself. From what I've been hearing, it's the same tune as the original SF2, right? Why the hell is it the same? Roy I can understand, but why Ryu? Yes it could be placefolder, but if they already have the permission to use him why not just make the tune already? So weird...


Want:0%(Originally 80%)
I already wrote this on the first half, but I currently have no desire whatsoever for Ryu to be in Smash. Yes he's a cool character, a very iconic character, but almost no one was literally asking for him within the Smash fanbase, not even the Street Fighter fanbase. And he has no, absolutely no connection with Nintendo as of today. Sure he had Street Fighter II on the SFC, but that's two decades ago(I think) and he hasn't had a Nintendo exclusive since, unless you count the 3D Edition of SFIV as an exclusive. Heck, does he even have a Nintendo exclusive? I can't think up of one right now.

But his lack of familiarity with Nintendo consoles isn't the main issue, or else I wouldn't be at all supportive of Snake or Rayman. The part that bugs me the most is that we already have a Capcom rep in the form of Mega Man, and I do not want two Capcom reps in a game that is mostly about Nintendo all-stars. Yes I know it dropped that part after Brawl, but I still consider it to be a defining part of the game, especially the part that says "Nintendo". And it really isn't fair to other companies either, why not give them another? Give Sega Jack Frost or Arle. Give Namco Lloyd/Luke. Or why not bring back Snake and have him bring Simon along with him. Though they shouldn't, because this will result in an overflow of third parties. It will be disgusting...

I just feel really uneasy with the idea of two third party "guests", even if they are iconic. The only time I would be okay with Ryu is if someone else's idea actually became true, as in Nintendo buys out the Mega Man IP and with Capcom no longer having a "Capcom rep", they put Ryu in instead. At which Ryu's want scores would skyrocket to 80%, but I seriously doubt that's happening.

But seriously, why the heck are many of you okay so easy with a second Capcom rep, I don't understand...



Predictions:Pheonix Wright 5%
Same position with Ryu, minus the leak. That's where he stands.

Nominations:Slime x5
That recent announcement of Dragon Quest VIII for 3DS is getting me curious. This will allow for all the main Dragon Quest games to be playable solely on Nintendo platforms, it miiight mean something...


P.S.Can anyone link to me to where the hacked audio files could be heard? I am unable to find where the original decoded data is, only videos of people taking music from the actual games and not the leak itself...

http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/32nymz/smash_update_106_decrypted_first_observations/

 

[FalKoopa]

Don't worry about it. People made a fuss over Pac Man too, and now everyone loves him. It's just bandwagoning.

Pac-Haters had a legitimate reason - Ghostly Adventures was just that bad. His Pac Man World design was what caused the hate to die out.

 

[4theRECORD]

http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/32nymz/smash_update_106_decrypted_first_observations/

I've seen that already, the MEGA upload is no longer there. Is there a replacement?

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

I've seen that already, the MEGA upload is no longer there. Is there a replacement?

Huh, didn't notice.

I don't think there is a replacement for it anywhere tbh.

 

[TheAnvil]

Pac-Haters had a legitimate reason - Ghostly Adventures was just that bad. His Pac Man World design was what caused the hate to die out.

Quality of Ghostly Adventures aside, among the things I saw people say about him were:

- "He's not iconic enough".
- "He's only getting in because Namco are making the game".
- "He doesn't deserve it".

 

[Spazzy_D]

Ryu

Chance: 98%, as there is always a chance that licencing could fall through or plans could change. No real chance he is a Mii costume, that's a silly line of thought.

Want: Eh, 65%? It would be interesting to see how he is implemented and I do feel that he is iconic, but his inclusion wouldn't really set me world on fire.

 

[AreJay25]

Quality of Ghostly Adventures aside, among the things I saw people say about him were:

- "He's not iconic enough".
- "He's only getting in because Namco are making the game".
- "He doesn't deserve it".

Okay, I'm sorry, there's no way that's something people actually said lol

 

[NebulaWords]

DAY 31 : RYU
Chance : 76%
The sound files that were added in the Mewtwo DLC seems to point out that there's very high chances that Ryu gets in BUT I have a feeling that it might not be the case. Though the files are here to prove me otherwise.

Want : 5%
I'm not a big fan of SF and I don't really want one to get in. I won't be against it but heh, other characters deserves to be in than these fighters. Normally I would put 0% but I'm feeling generous today ;p

Prediction :
Pheonix Wright : 5%
Nominations : Geno (Super Mario RPG) x5

 

[TaichiYaegashi]

Okay, I'm sorry, there's no way that's something people actually said lol

It was though, I saw that from many people as well.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Are we talking about the same pacman? The one from the arcade games and one of the most iconic characters ever (arguably top 3)

is there another pac man i dont know about???

DAY 31 : RYU
Chance : 76%
The sound files that were added in the Mewtwo DLC seems to point out that there's very high chances that A Streetfighter will get in Smash.
Yeah you heard me right.
A.
As much as Ryu seems to be the obvious one who could get in, I have a tiny feeling that it might be someone else. And another tiny feeling that none will get in, as they have their own fighting game. But again, chances are high.

Want : 5%
I'm not a big fan of SF and I don't really want one to get in. I won't be against it but heh, other characters deserves to be in than these fighters. Normally I would put 0% but I'm feeling generous today ;p

Prediction :
Pheonix Wright : 5%
Nominations : Geno (Super Mario RPG) x5

the file is straight up named ryu though. . .

 

[IceBreakerXY]

Are we talking about the same pacman? The one from the arcade games and one of the most iconic characters ever (arguably top 3)

is there another pac man i dont know about???

Okay, I'm sorry, there's no way that's something people actually said lol

You'd both be surprised at how many people thought pacman wasn't iconic enough to be in smash

 

[TheAnvil]

Are we talking about the same pacman? The one from the arcade games and one of the most iconic characters ever (arguably top 3)

is there another pac man i dont know about???

the file is straight up named ryu though. . .

Pac Man is more iconic than Mario.

http://kotaku.com/5432611/pac-man-still-beats-mario-for-most-famous-crown

 

[DNeon]

Been a while, let's get back into it with the one and only

Ryu

Chances: 85%

The sounds files man. Plus Capcom has already been co-operative with one character. I dunno, like why else are the files there?

Want: 100%

I didn't know that I wanted it until they found the files, now I can't get the idea of it out of my head. The OG of the modern fighter moveset. Haduoken and Shoryuken actual moves in the game. Hell, anything that would make Daigo Umehara playing Smash even 0.000000...01% more likely is a must have in my books.

Pheonix Wright

Prediction: 12%

Votes: 5x Andy (AW)

 

[Spazzy_D]

Pac Man is more iconic than Mario.

http://kotaku.com/5432611/pac-man-still-beats-mario-for-most-famous-crown

Pacman is bigger than Mickey Mouse!

http://www.northernexpress.com/mich...ber-from-japan-is-a-world-wide-superstar.html

https://books.google.com/books/p/dukeupress?vid=978-0-8223-2891-9&pg=PA30&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false

Yay transitive property!

 

[Leafeon523]

Alright, I know I'm getting a lot of hate for my rating, but I'm willing to stand by it. There have been countless leaks over the years that looked legitimate at first glance, but simply amounted to nothing. But I'm not denying that the sound files are present. Past files have been present that have never led to any sort of additions. Really, unless there is full video evidence of a character fighting, I'm not willing to accept a leak. If that makes me ignorant in your mind, so be it.

And for those who say I'm "In denial" remember a gave Ryu an 80% want. I just honestly believe that this will not amount to anything, leaks be darned. And what do I have to lose by being skeptical? If I'm right I didn't get my hopes up, and if I'm wrong I get a character I like in the game.