Rate Their Chances - Smash Ultimate Edition! Day 672: Five Most Likely First and Third Parties for Smash 6, and Final Goodbyes

[Opossum]

These kinds of posts are why I no longer support Celica

I mean as someone who would love to see Goroh, I'm just kinda disillusioned with the thought of F-Zero getting a character due to the state of the franchise.

You've been waiting for this day for a long time haven't you?

It is unreasonably important to me.

 

[Ze Diglett]

Dark Captain Falcon
Chance: 0.1%
F-Zero's not getting a new character. End of story.

Want: 0%
F-Zero's not anything special to me, nor do I think it "deserves" a new character at this point. What it has in the sheer iconicity of Captain Falcon courtesy of Smash is fine as far as I'm concerned.

English-Speaking Sword Bois
Chance: 5%
Umm... didn't Marth, at least, have an English VA prior to Smash 4? If they didn't make this change then, I don't see why they'd do it now...

Want: Abstain
Don't really care either way about characters' voices. It'd be slightly off-putting at first, but I'd inevitably adjust.

Lycanroc Prediction: 17.54%

Nominating Tingle x5

 

[Deleted member]

Black Shadow

Chance: 0%
Want: 5%
Ehh...

"BUT MAAARS!"
*ahem*

English voices for Marth and Roy

Chance: 50%
Want: Abstain

Nominations:
Concept: Boss Battle mode x3
T-Rex (Fossil Fighters) x2

 

[Opossum]

Dark Captain Falcon
Chance: 0.1%
F-Zero's not getting a new character. End of story.

Want: 0%
F-Zero's not anything special to me, nor do I think it "deserves" a new character at this point. What it has in the sheer iconicity of Captain Falcon courtesy of Smash is fine as far as I'm concerned.

English-Speaking Sword Bois
Chance: 5%
Umm... didn't Marth, at least, have an English VA prior to Smash 4? If they didn't make this change then, I don't see why they'd do it now...

Want: Abstain
Don't really care either way about characters' voices. It'd be slightly off-putting at first, but I'd inevitably adjust.

Lycanroc Prediction: 17.54%

Nominating Tingle x5

Not in his games, no. Closest thing was the much maligned and often memed Fire Emblem OVA from the nineties.

Shadow Dragon, Marth's first English-released Fire Emblem game, didn't have voice acting, so the omission, while annoying, was less egregious in Smash 4. His first English voice over in a game happened in Code Name: S.T.E.A.M., which released after Smash 4.

 

[Deleted member]

Black Shadow

Chance: 1%

Yeah, this isn't happening. F-Zero is pretty much dead, and as a racing character, Falcon was lucky to join Smash the first place.

Want: 80%

So I can reenact that anime scene.

Marth/Roy English VAs

Chance: 50%

Could go either way, now that they have English VAs in other games like Heroes and S.T.E.A.M.

Want: 100%

This is overdue.

Nominations: Spyro x5

 

[Wyoming]

Nomination update

Spoiler: Nominations: post-Bomb R. Man, pre-Black Shadow speaking Marth

Funky Kong x257
Sans x238
KOS-MOS x232
Agumon x231
Urban Champion x225
Azura x224
Spyro x223


Over 200:

Dark Samus x214
Concept: Decloned Dark Pit x211
Sylux x207
Travis Touchdown x204
Mipha x203
Mimikyu x203
Music: Final Destination (Ver. 2) x200

199-150

Masked Link x191
Kamek x188
Pyra/Mythra (without Rex) x187
Gengar x177
Parabo & Satebo x169
Tom Nook x169
Lip x166
Concept: Skyrim representation x165
Cranky Kong x158
Concept: Octopath Traveller Character x150

149-100

Wonder Red x146
Snip & Clip (Snipperclips) x145
Concept: Decloned Ganondorf x136
Ryu Hayabusa x135
Neku Sakaruba x134
Linkle x130
Excitebiker x130
Papyrus x128
Concept: Fire Emblem Heroes Summoner x128
Thwomp x122
Lloyd Irving x120
Fawful x111
Octoling x110
Tsubasa Oribe x110
Sakura Shinguji x108
Tetra x107
Concept: Masked Dedede Final Smash x105
Katrielle Layton x104

99-75

Slippy Toad x95
Sable Prince x95
Tingle x91
Steve x90
Concept: Ken Masters alt Costume for Ryu x86
Susie x86
2B (Nier: Automata) x86
Fjorm x75


74-50

Veronica x73
Barbara x73
Klonoa x71
Django (Boktai) x70
Concept: Canon Bowser/DK/Diddy voice clips x70
Concept: Fire Emblem Spear User x70
Labo related character x68
Zeraora (Pokémon) x61
Pokemon Trainer (Gen 2) x61
Starfy x60
Scorpion x59
Arcade Bunny x58
Lara Croft x57
Ray x53
Gooey x52
Returning game mode: Smash Run x52
Veteran: Roy x51
Veteran: Dr. Mario x51


49-30:


Balloon Fighter x47
Rick/Coo/Kine x45
Tora & Poppi x45
Stage: New Donk City x45
Concept: Wars character x43
Primarina x40
Toon Zelda x40
Leon Kennedy x40
Veteran: Corrin x40
Dragonite x37
Concept: Mother Newcomer x35
Callie and Marie (Splatoon) x35
Tails x35
Slime x35
Nia and Dromarch (Xenoblade) x34
Viridi x33
Doshin the Giant x32
Veteran: Bayonetta x32
Snorlax x29
9-Volt x29
Leo (FE Fates) x28
Takumi (Fire Emblem) x28
Concept: Indie Character x28
Mach Rider x28
Hector (Fire Emblem) x 26
Medusa (Kid Icarus) x 26
Ghirahim x26
Tiki x26
Sophitia (Soulcalibur) x25
Double Day: Sheriff / Diskun x25
Prince Fluff (Kirby) x25
Concept: Style Savvy Character x25
Endou Mamoru x25
Ayumi Tachibana x25
Concept: Pikmin newcomer x25
Concept: Transformation characters x25

24 and less:

Concept: Female Announcer x20
Fire Emblem Switch Protagonist x20
Concept: No Mega Evolutions x15
Louie x15
Concept: Battlefield Stages x10
[Rerate] Rex & Pyra x10
Joker x10
[Rerate] King K. Rool x10
Yu Narakumi x10
T-Rex x10
Alex Kidd x5
[Rerate] Daisy x5
Solaire x5
Shadow x5
Lark x5
Saber x5
Orbulon x5
Zangoose x5
Kumatora x5
Concept: Monster Hunter character x5
Concept: Pac Man World-based Moveset x5
Masked Man x3
[Rerate] Squirtle x2
Stage: Metal Caverns x2
Black Mage x1

Changes:

KOS-MOS continues to rise, going from 5th to 3rd - pushes down Agumon to 4th, and Azura got leapfrogged by Urban Champion for 5th.
Spyro is now in the top 7, dislodging Dark Samus
Travis Touchdown, Mipha, Mimikyu, and Final Destination break 200 noms. Mimikyu is gaining traction at a high rate - could yet upset the top 7.
Side note but all characters over 200 but outside the top 7 form a new top 7 already. Huh...
Octopath Traveller breaks 150 noms
New additions: two concepts - one about Pac Man getting a World-based moveset, and a Monster Hunter character (both x5), as well as Black Mage who got a measly one nomination.

 

[Dr. Jojo Phantasma]

Black Shadow
Chance: 1%
F-Zero is a dead franchise, but if it is anyone from there it will probably be him or Deathborne

Want: 10%
Back in the SSB4 days, I supported him only for him to take G-Dorf's moveset, but now I am for the most part comfortable with Ganondorf's moveset and don't care anymore for Black Shadow.

English Marth and Roy:
Chance 75%
Alright, it may be traditional, but tradition is meant to be broken sometimes. Marth and Roy have spoken with english voices various times after SSB4, so there is a good chance they may speak English this time in SSB5, but I wouldn't mind if they stayed Japanese. I am in support for a toggle.

Want: 50%
I don't care either way, it doesn't affect how I play with them.Though I admit it would take some getting used to for them in English as I have it hard-coded in my head that Marth and Roy in Smash games speak Japanese.

Lycanroc: 27.56%

x5 to KOS-MOS

 

[smileMasky]

Black shadow
Chance/want 1%
It's not clear cut on this. F Zero has all but been forgotten. If we do get him I think he should get Ganondorf's move set.

FE boys getting Rosetta stone

Chance/ Want :abstained

Nomination Django x5

 

[Llort A. Ton]

Black Shadow

Chance- 1%
F Zero has been inside Nintendo purgatory longer than Earthbound.

Want- 60%
Many people suggest dumping Dorfs moveset onto him, and while I'm not against it happening, I'd prefer a unique F Zero character. I actually really enjoy the F Zero titles, and I'd be more than down to see more characters from it.

Marth Learning A New Language

Chance- 5%
I believe they're gonna reuse voice clips from Brawl again.

Want- 50%
I am completely neutral on this situation.

Lycanroc- 43.45%

Scorpion X 4
Thwomp X 1

 

[Ura]

I was going to post the F-Zero anime scene but everyone beat me to the punch. Maybe another day...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_SxVtf6Nk0
MY DREAM WILL NEVER DIE!!!

Chance: 8%

The only way he gets in is if he's there to take Ganondorf's old moveset (which he really should mind you) and Ganondorf himself gets his own, unique moveset.

Otherwise, F-Zero can't warrant a new character. I also doubt Sakurai's going to do anything significant with Ganondorf as much as I want that to happen. Falcondorf 4 life bruh.

Want: 75%

Want score is only if Black Shadow's in the roster to do what I described above. As a standalone character he's not someone who I really want. Like maybe you can give him an original move or two but he largely needs to fulfill the heavy Falcon clone role that Ganondorf has.

Marth and Roy take English Classes online

Chance: 20%

People remember Marth and Roy for speaking Japanese the most. It's the voices they associate with them since the Melee days. Of course that's not a definitive reason why they would keep the Japanese voices but something to keep in mind.

Personally, I don't see the change happening but we'll see...

Want: 40%

Ehh...

I wouldn't hate it per se if Marth and Roy had English voices but I just prefer the Japanese voices as it's the one I associate with the characters the most.

Prediction: Lycanroc

Chance: 21%
Want: 32%

Nominations

Masked Link X 3
Concept: Decloned Ganondorf X 2

 

[andimidna]

Black Shadow:

Chance: 1%

The whole Ganon switchup thing just seems more like a fan concept rather than something they’d actually do. I don’t know why. I mean, the closest thing I can think to that is Charizard having his side B switched to down B while getting a new side B.
I definitely don’t see the character being added on his own merits. Goroh seems like the main villain, and neither relevant or very popular or even having much interesting content for a moveset

Want: 60%

I like the idea though. I don’t have much attachment to Ganon’s moveset and never play him, but it makes sense to keep what assets you have in my opinion. Even if they’re bad, unbalanced semi clones.

Marth/Roy VA:

Chance: 35%
A smaller detail most people don’t care about. I wouldn’t count on changes to veterans unless it’s a glaring issue, like updating Zelda

Want: 50%
I had a mod of this. It was pretty quirky and weird, but kinda funny. Don’t care though. He has some iconic lines, but as long as he’s japanese in the Japanese version, that’d be easy to mod I think. Idk much about the Switch oop

Lycanroc pred: 29%
x4 FE Summoner
x1 Mimikyu

 

[Kotor]

Black Shadow
Chance: 0%
Want: 0%

Only really desired to take Ganondorf's old moveset. People don't want clones, yet they want to turn Black Shadow into one. I say trash Ganondorf's old moveset if he gets a completely new one. Why does it have to be given to Black Shadow? F-Zero hasn't has been dead for over 10 years.

Marth and Roy speaking English
Chance: 75%
Want: 100%
I feel a sense of pride and accomplishment to see my nominee make it.
Anyway, Marth and Roy officially have an English VA. Yuri Lowenthal for Marth since Codename STEAM, and Ray Chase for Roy since Fire Emblem Heroes. STEAM was released on March 13th 2015, & Heroes was February 2nd, 2017. That was after Smash 4's release. Yuri was likely chosen to voice Marth in STEAM way after Smash 4 finished recording the voice lines. With Smash Switch scheduled to release this year, there's an opportunity to update their voices. I say do it. Other characters have received different VAs in the past. Why not Marth and Roy?

As for people preferring the Japanese voices, Smash could just get a Japanese Voice Pack released alongside the game. It's there for Xenoblade Chronicles 2 and Fire Emblem Warriors, and the voice pack for those two games are free. Now, if you can toggle between English or Japanese voices, would everyone be affected, or would you be able to individually toggle the characters you want to change? I know Street Fighter IV (don't have V so I have no idea if it's there) lets you toggle the individual fighters.

Nominations
Canon Bowser/DK/Diddy voice clips x5


I wonder if Greg Chun would replace Jason Adkins as Ik's VA in this Smash Switch.

 

[Deleted member]

Tbh I'd rather have Hades take over Ganondorf's moveset if anything.

 

[Wyoming]

It sucks that Black Shadow's actual canon abilities and person is ignored because all people can discuss about him is who should get Ganondorf's move set.

Need more F-Zero players in here.

 

[Opossum]

It sucks that Black Shadow's actual canon abilities and person is ignored because all people can discuss about him is who should get Ganondorf's move set.

Need more F-Zero players in here.

Plus isn't the Black Bull's best stat its speed anyway? Ganondorf's moveset wouldn't even fit if that's the case.

 

[Wyoming]

Plus isn't the Black Bull's best stat its speed anyway? Ganondorf's moveset wouldn't even fit if that's the case.

Body and Grip are the best. He'd be a heavy character that is slick to control. Boost is poor however - one of the worst, if not the worst in the game.

In terms of actual speed it is pretty good, however.

 

[ProfPeanut]

Black Shadow

Chance: 10%
About as likely as F-Zero getting another game. Sad as it is that Nintendo's dropped F-Zero completely for some reason, there's just not much reason either historically or nostalgically to bring up more reps from this place.

Want: 5%
No special attachments.


Marth/Roy with English VAs

Chance: 50%
While Fire Emblem is no longer "that obscure Japan-only franchise", the maintenance of the VA status quo in Smash 4 has me believe that Sakurai really only sees them in Smash as the original foreign inclusions of the game. There's not much reason to really choose either side of this - the English VAs aren't particularly strong, but the Japanese VAs don't have any substantial reason to stick around anymore.

Want: 30%
To be honest, the Smash fan in me cringes at the idea, but I've played enough of Fire Emblem Heroes to get used to the notion.

Prediction:
Lycanroc: 24%

Nomination:
Papyrus x5

 

[CometX-ing]

Abstain from Black Shadow

English Marth/Roy

Chances: 70%
I doubt that they will give Marth and Roy English voices in Heroes and not use them in Smash. I also expect Lyn's AT to get her voice changed to Wendee Lee.

Want: 100%
I like Yuri as Marth and I sorta of like like Ray as Roy, honestly I want to hear their english voices as a nice change of pace. And if this leads to Duel Audio for the game then that's a bonus. Maybe Sakurai or NOA might recognize how much people like Roy and Marth's Japanese VA's and this might make them include duel audio so they still can.

Nominations:
Primarina x5

 

[ssbashworld]

Catching up

Ganon
Chances: 55%
Want: 100%

Bomberman
Chances: 60%
Want: 100%

Black Shadow
Chances: 35%
Want: 85%

English FE Voice acting
Chances: 65%
Want: 100%

Nomination: Linkle X5

 

[waddledeeonredyoshi]

Double abstaining today.

Predictions for Lycanroc: 26.86%

Nominations: Leon Kennedy x5

Tbh I'd rather have Hades take over Ganondorf's moveset if anything.

Sorry but why? It makes just as little sense for Hades to be Falcon clone as it does for Ganondorf.

 

[Quetzal77]

Black Shadow
Chance: 1%
"What's an F-zero?" -Nintendo

Want: 10%
Assuming he would get Ganondorf's moves so the latter can be redone. Otherwise, don't particularly care.

English Marth and Roy
Chance: 60%
I'm not sure how much say Sakurai has on the VA but if he for some reason gets to decide I could see him dismissing the idea just because Sakurai gonna Sakurai. There's more going for them getting their English VAs though.

Want: 100%
They both have great VAs in English now. Marth already had one of his games localized and Roy's is likely to be remade sooner or later. Plus for the people who mainly/only know them from Smash, it may get them more interested in them if they can actually understand them and see what their personalities are like (for example, some people incorrectly seem to think Marth is a snob).

Lycanroc: 33.22%
Nominations: Pyra/Mythra (without Rex) x5

 

[Koopaul]

Black Shadow

Chance: 0.3%
F-Zero hasn't had a new game in ages. What a shame.
Want: 80%
Anything from F-Zero would be great. I love the series and it's amazing cast of fun and ridiculous characters. Anyone a fan of Super Arrow and his wife Mrs. Arrow?

Marth and Roy English VA

Chance: 0.5%
I don't necessarily know if Sakirai would be behind this decision. It might be the localizers. At this point I feel like the team behind it would feel like it's a tradition to have them be Japanese. I can only see it happening if those characters got really revamped. A new modern take on these classics.

Want: 0%
I honestly could care less.

Predictions for Lycanroc
Chance: 20%
Want: 25%

Nominations
Barbara the bat ×3
Slime ×2

 

[Deleted member]

Sorry but why? It makes just as little sense for Hades to be Falcon clone as it does for Ganondorf.

Well, it has to do with the fact they share a similar build and I can't think of any interesting moveset options for Hades, but like the character.

 

[BandanaWaddleDee]

Black Shadow
Chance: .1%
Want: 0%

English Marth/Roy
Chance: 50%
Want: 100%

Lycanroc Prediction: 33.78%
People will use Decidueye to undermine what chances Lycanroc might have

Nominations
Decloned Dark Pit x3
Tetra x2

 

[Wyoming]

Black Shadow

Chance: 0.3%
F-Zero hasn't had a new game in ages. What a shame.
Want: 80%
Anything from F-Zero would be great. I love the series and it's amazing cast of fun and ridiculous characters. Anyone a fan of Super Arrow and his wife Mrs. Arrow?

Mrs. Arrow is my main in X. Despite its ridiculously poor body I love its size and how it controls.
Anyone who wants to get roughly familiar with the quirks of F-Zero pilots can look up the GX interviews and special videos for each. Or read the comics.

 

[VexTheHex]

Black Shadow

Chance - 1%
Dead series. Captain Falcon covers it enough.
Want - 0%
Most just want him to dump Ganondorf's extremely unpopular move set on, that doesn't seem very exciting or supportive of the character himself.

Marth and Roy English

Chance - 85%
They got official English VA now.
Want - 100%
Why not?

Nominations - 5x Mimikyu

 

[Deleted member]

Black shadow
C:5%
W: 25%
Unless he takes ganondorfs old moveset and ganondorf gets a new moveset... I dont want him.

New marth and roy English dub
C: 50%
W: 50%
Literally i dont care

Lycanroc prediction:30%

Noms-Sable Prince x 5

 

[RouffWestie]

Black Shadow
Chance: 1%
He doesn't meet any of Samurai's established criteria
Want: 0%
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English speaking Marth/Roy
Chance: 1%
Want: 25%

Nominations: Lip ×5

 

[GoodGrief741]

Black Shadow
Chance: 6%
Wish I could be writing a higher number up there, but I have to be realistic and he doesn’t have much going for him.

Want: 80%
I would love to see what original moveset they come up with based on his vehicle, his personality, and particularly the anime (which hadn’t come out when Falcon’s moveset came to be). The Smash team has proven extremely creative with F-Zero, which they have given the best stages and the most original moveset.
That said, I also love Black Shadow the character, so if he has to take Ganondorf’s moveset to be in, then so be it.

Abstain from the Fire Emblem thing
What a boring thing to discuss, we’ve got nothing to base chances for these sort of things on.

Lycanroc prediction: 31%

Nominations
Prince SableX5

 

[NeonBurrito]

Black Shadow

Chance - 1%

Dead franchise.

Want - 0%

I'd rather have Goroh. If Ganondorf were to be reworked and his pre-existing moveset were to be put Black Shadow, I'd be fine, but we're not talking about a reworked Ganondorf.

Marth and Roy* Learn How to Speak English

Chance - 99%

Unless you're a big creature like Bowser or Donkey Kong or a 3rd party like Cloud, characters in Smash tend to get their new voice actors. Considering how Yuri Lowenthal and Ray Chase have never seemed to have any issues with preforming their roles as the characters, it definitely wouldn't be too tricky to get them again.

Same goes for the other FE characters in Smash as well. I expect Ike to have Greg Chun voice him, Lucina* to be voiced by Alexis Tipton, and the Lyn assist trophy to be voiced by Wendee Lee.

Want - 1%

It isn't something I'd be very upset over, but I prefer the Japanese voices for the two over their English ones. Just as I'd prefer Ike to continue using his Jason Adkins voice lines over Greg Chun's, and Lucina to keep using her Laura Bailey lines over Alexis Tipton ones.

* assuming they return, of course

Nominations:
Prince Sable x5

 

[Depressed Gengar]

Black Shadow Chance: 0%
Yeah, I'm giving him a zero. F-Zero's a dormant franchise, and even if we were to get someone from the franchise, I'd expect Samurai Goroh first.

Want: 10%

English Voice Actors Chance: 65%

Want: 50%

Lycanroc Prediction: 5%

Nominations: Gengar X5

 

[Deleted member]

Dark Black Shadow

Chance: 1%
F-Zero is dead and it looks like Falcondorf is here to stay.

Want: 0%
Don't care. I'd rather have Pig Ganon + Falcondorf than Black Shadow + Ganondorf anyway.

Marth & Roy English VAs

Chance 60%
They have English VAs which have been used pretty much everywhere outside of Smash, so it's not like people are unfamiliar with their English voices. There's still a good chance Nintendo might want to keep the Japanese for tradition's sake though.

Want: 100%
Love the English VAs. And besides, while Japanese can be cool, it's really jarring when literally every other character speaks English.

Lycanroc Prediction: 23.11%

Nominating KOS-MOS x2, Excitebiker x3

 

[Opossum]

Abstain from the Fire Emblem thing
What a boring thing to discuss, we’ve got nothing to base chances for these sort of things on.

Concepts are infinitely more interesting to discuss than a deluge of irrelevant characters that would never feasibly get in. We've reached the point where we've rated almost everyone worth rating, and have already rated a fair share of characters who legitimately have no shot.

I say bring on stages/music/concept discussion over "Irrelevant One-Off Side Character From an Unrepresented Series #7."

 

[zipzapsparkle]

Black EyeShadow

Chance: 1%
Want: Abstain

Poor guy is treated like a recycling ground for Ganondorf instead of an individual. Honestly he (or Blood Falcon) should have been the Falcon clone in Melee while Ganondorf introduced in Brawl. It makes little sense to have a clone not be from the same series. However that was done and it is unlikely they’re going back 3 sequels later to undo that. So I think Falcon will remain alone again because F-Zero has been absent/neglected for a really long time.

English speaking Marth/Roy

Chance: 50%
Want: 50%

They already speak English in many of their modern appearances like their cameos and in Heroes. I think it could happen and I would be okay with it. I really like their voice in FEH. Perhaps they should keep both options for the fans.

x2 Tom Nook
x2 Arcade Bunny
x1 Barbara Bat

 

[Arcanir]

Black Shadow
Chance: 3%
F-Zero is still dormant and looks to be that way for the near future, I don't think Sakurai will (re)visit the character for the time being.

Want: Abstain

Marth/Roy English
Chance: 50%
I put it at a coin flip. On the one hand, the localization team does seem to like their traditions when it comes to the voice acting as examples like Mewtwo also kept their voice acting consistent for Smash 4 despite lacking any of the possible reasons for why Melee didn't get it. On the other hand, Marth and Roy didn't get their current English VAs until after Smash 4, and ever since the localization for FE has consistently used Yuri Lowenthal for Marth and has had Roy follow suit with Ray Chase. If they want to update the characters, now would be the time, and considering VAs have changed to reflect the character's most recent appearance before (ex. Fox and Falco) and the other FE characters have had their English VAs since Brawl it's entirely possible that Marth and Roy will reflect their current appearances now.

Want: 95%
The only reason I'll miss the Japanese voice acting is nostalgia, otherwise I've grown fond of both VAs and I want to see both in the game (especially Ray Chase since it'd basically go full circle for him due to liking Roy in Melee).

Nomination: Concept: Monster Hunter character x5

Looking forward to talking about Lycanroc tomorrow!

 

[wildvine47]

Black Shadow

Chance: 3% - F-Zero's deader than disco, and it's not looking like it's coming back anytime soon. Black Shadow's only really an option in people's minds because of the fan idea that Ganondorf should get a new moveset while Black Shadow inherit the old one, keeping both intact. Not only has the moveset inheritance idea never happened before in Smash Bros., Sakurai seems to have 0 problems with Dorf's current Smash incarnation and will likely leave him be.

Want: 70% - And it's a shame too. I know it'd never happen, but it'd be much more fitting to me for Cap's dark heavy clone to be from his own franchise, rather than the big bad of the Zelda series. It'd give both Zelda and F-Zero a "newcomer", fix Ganondorf's less-than-ideal moveset, and keep the playstyle around for those who love it. It feels like a win-win to me, but unless there's suddenly a resurgence of the F-Zero franchise, not much is going to change. If we're talking as a unique newcomer though, drop my points by about 30%, as I'd much prefer Falcon's OG Rival Samurai Goroh to show up with a new moveset over Black Shadow.

Marth and Roy English V/A's

Chance: 40% - There's a non-ignorable chance of this happening unfortunately. As pointed out by Opossum and others, Marth and Roy have been speaking English for a while, and it'd probably not be difficult to track down their Heroes VA's and put em in a Smash booth. However, Marth already had an English voice back before Smash 4 and he was left Japanese, and plenty of characters' voices have been left untouched between games before, so I think it's slightly more likely they'll just leave it as-is.

Want: 0% - No. Thanks. Marth and Roy speaking English in Heroes and other places has always felt alien to me, like I'm hearing illegal audio the government doesn't want me to hear. A toggle for it? Sure, Street Fighter and Marvel vs. Capcom have done it before, I'll leave em on Japanese and never touch that menu again. But a permanent unrevertable change? I'll pass.

Predictions

Lycanroc: 23.45% - The dorito dog has, fittingly, an underdog's shot at making the roster, but Decidueye feels much more likely to take the coveted Pokemon spot, and I don't see us getting two new Pokemon. Being a quadruped without the cartooniness of Duck Hunt or Ivysaur's handy dandy prehensile vines would make a lot of it's animations difficult as well.

Nominations

Scorpion x 5

 

[colder_than_ice]

Black Shadow
Chance: 1% - With a 14 year hiatus since the last game, I think it’s safe to say that we’ve seen the end of F-Zero. Captain Falcon is eternally cursed to have to bear the horrible burden of carrying the remnants of his dead franchise into all future SSB titles alone with no other reps. His suffering in this regard will serve as a constant and painful reminder of a once great franchise lost to the dark abyss of time.

What a horrible fate.

Want: 60%

Marth and Roy getting English VAs
Chance: 90% - There’s honestly no longer any excuse now that they both officially have English VAs.
Want: 50%

Lycanroc prediction: 30%

Nominations: Azura x5

 

[Opossum]

However, Marth already had an English voice back before Smash 4 and he was left Japanese, and plenty of characters' voices have been left untouched between games before, so I think it's slightly more likely they'll just leave it as-is.
x 5

Spike Spencer Marth would make as much sense in Smash as Lou Albano Mario though. The 90s OVA was literally the only time Marth (or "Mars" rather) had an English voice prior to Smash 4.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

Marth and Roy speaking English: don't care

Black Shadow want: 0% (2-10*)

The only reason I would put him in would be if it were the only way to revamp Ganondorf.

Nominations:

Masked Link x5

 

[Ze Diglett]

Spike Spencer Marth would make as much sense in Smash as Lou Albano Mario though.

Not necessarily, considering A.) Mario's had an established in-game English voice for decades and B.) the man's dead.