Ferro De Lupe
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All in due time...
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Rate Their Chances (of Returning) - Day 6 - Mewtwo
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Whether Samurai Goroh makes it or not, the way I see it, depends on whether Nintendo is planning to push the F-Zero series this generation. Based on the G-Zero cameo in SFCommand and Nintendo's eagerness to put F-Zero SNES on the VC, I doubt they've left the series behind. With an expanded roster to around forty, I'd say two chars would be just right for the size of the F-Zero franchise compared to the others.
Samurai Goroh-65%
And I'll join Bowserlick in his push for:
Tom Nook (x5)
Samurai Goroh-65%
And I'll join Bowserlick in his push for:
Tom Nook (x5)
petre
Smash Lord
uhh...hmm. ill go with 60%.
nominating simon belmont x5
nominating simon belmont x5
Falling Whistness
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30%
nominate Lucas (x5)
nominate Lucas (x5)
Brawlmatt202
Smash Champion
BTW, someone made a moveset for Samurai Goroh, and it's basically a clone of Captain Falcon:
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/38439877/
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/38439877/
bijoukaiba
Smash Journeyman
Let's Go Goroh!
HUZZAH!! I was awaiting this day for so long... and now it's finally here!
As you can see by my sig, I am a strong supporter of Goroh. If it was a question of how much I support a character personally for Brawl, it would probably be 100%- or even more, if you want to be irrational. ^_^ Goroh is my #1, Numero Uno choice for a character for Brawl- for an F-Zero rep and in general. Too bad the support of one person doesn't equal actual chances...
Well, what does Goroh-domo have in his favor? Let's take a look...
Reputation:
Well, it might not rank up there with Mario, Zelda, or Poke'mon, but F-Zero is definitely one of Nintendo's most famous series. And yet, how many characters did we have to represent the series in SSB and SSBM? One, in the form of Captain Falcon. Not that that's a bad thing, but think about it- if Samurai Goroh had been one of the characters in question for Melee HYPOTHETICALLY, who do you think would've been given a slot in the roster- Dr. Mario, Mr. Game & Watch, or Samurai Goroh? Now that there's been a possible 40-character roster with 15-18 openings (depending on the characters removed), shouldn't Samurai get one of those slots as a second F-Zero rep?
Connections:
So, how does Samurai Goroh contribute to F-Zero's major plotline and protagonist? He was one of the first four drivers, and has close ties to Captain Falcon, the protagonist, as his greatest rival and one of the villains. He has also appeared in every F-Zero game except for only one. But you know what? Captain Falcon was excluded from the exact same game as well. Someone had commented previously that he was simply the "Wario" to Captain Falcon's "Mario". Well hey, Wario's gonna be in Brawl, ain't he? That makes me hopeful. You know what? I also believe that if Captain Falcon gets confirmed in the next trailer (if they make one... *crosses fingers*), they might just confirm Samurai Goroh alongside him.
Popularity/Fame/Recognizability
Samurai has indeed been mentioned once or twice on the Toukoken. And among the F-Zero characters' popularity/fame/recognizability, he's probably the second most recognizable character, only after Captain Falcon, of course.
Warrior Skills
If we had merely taken a look back in 1991 at the descriptions of the four original F-Zero pilots, without any knowledge of who was the actual star of the series, for some sort of fighting game that would debut 7-8 years later, who do you think we might have chosen? Pico, a gunman, or Samurai Goroh, a swordsman, would be my guess.
Now fast-forward to 2003. Now we're fully educated as to who the star is and we've got information on about 40 other pilots as well. Now we know that Captain Falcon is the star, and the characters with the closest links to him are Samurai Goroh, Blood Falcon, Black Shadow, and Jody Summers. If you watch some of the movies for F-Zero GX's Story Mode/victory mini-movies, you'll see that Samurai Goroh has been shown wielding his sword several times. Black Shadow, who is now the series' major villain, has been shown fighting Falcon with some sort of "plasma energy field stuff". In one scene. Blood Falcon... puts a bomb on his car. And Jody Summers... meh, she just gets captured or put in danger by Black Shadow all the time, even though she works for the Galactic Space Federation. We've known about Samurai Goroh and his swordsmanship for... 12 years now. Who do you think has more experience with weaponry?
Cases in point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1Q4jPjNztI Also features a possible rolling dodge technique. ;P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5ZmXhHnf-Q Okay, sort of a 'wtf' movie, but it's clear he has mastery of the blade.
Unfortunately, I can't find a clip for the Dai Goroh movie (heehee, Samurai's got a kid before Falcon does), but it features Samurai demonstrating his skills as a swordsman to his son.
Contributions:
So, what would Samurai Goroh bring to the pot luck dinner of Brawl? He'd be an additional heavyweight fighter, another swordsman, another villain, and another F-Zero rep. And we're kinda short in each of these categories, although "villain" isn't really that big of a deal. Depending on if Ganondorf returns and/or how he is Luigified, Goroh might also be our first heavyweight swordsman, as most of them have been pretty lightweight and nimble before him. Considering how heavily muscled he is, he could probably also be given a semi-fist-fighting moveset to accompany his swordfighting, if pure swordsmanship seems too "commonplace" for some of you.
Miscellaneous:
Okay, some of the stupider reasons go here! First of all, there was the Nintendo "teaser" thing in the trailer for Melee. And the fact he was a trophy.
One other thing I thought was nifty is I had a dream about him being in Brawl. I don't know how many of you have ever played Starfox Adventures, but he was on the Darkice Mines level (funny how it's called DarkICE when there's lava everywhere) in some sort of black leather costume, fighting against the Blue team of Captain Falcon, Zamus, and Marth.
As for my defense against the "anti-Goroh" reasoners:
Someone a few pages back commented about how we don't need rep for F-Zero because it's such a "minor series". Y'know, the really "big" franchises are Mario, Zelda, and PKMN. Kirby, Metroid, Starfox, and F-Zero are more like Nintendo's "semi-major" series. Yet a new Kirby character has been confirmed, a new character from the Kirby series has been highly suggested (Dedede), and people have also suggested new characters for Metroid (Ridley is most popular, while Dark Samus is second) and Starfox (Wolf and Krystal). So hey, why can't F-Zero share in some glory?
And speaking of "minor series"- as I said before, while F-Zero isn't exactly a major seller like Mario or Zelda, it isn't exactly a minor franchise either. I like to think of it as "semi-major", sort of like Metroid and Starfox. So if the minor/semi-major franchises supposedly don't deserve rep, are we going to give it all away to the major franchise's characters? After we got 5 (6 counting Yoshi) Mario characters, 4 Zelda characters, and 4 from Poke'mon? Remember, we're kinda running low on major characters available for those franchises. Do we want to give more rep to the major franchises or do we want to share some love with the semi-majors, who only got 1-2 reps for Melee?
Put it this way- who would probably be the best character for Brawl if it came down to Princess Daisy, Dark Link, or Samurai Goroh-sama for a roster spot?
As my friend hemightbegiant would put it:
"Remember kiddies, a major character from a minor (or in this case, semi-major
) series > a minor character from a major series.
He's also one of those characters that a person would have a gut instinct about... and my gut is telling me Goroh. (It's also told me King Dedede, Diddy Kong, Krystal, and "Go for the Klondike bars!")
All in all, I give Samurai Goroh a very healthy 85% for Brawl.
PS: I hope a shortened version of this would be his victory theme song: http://dl1.ffshrine.org/soundtracks...AX Original Soundtracks/104_samurai_goroh.mp3
HUZZAH!! I was awaiting this day for so long... and now it's finally here!
As you can see by my sig, I am a strong supporter of Goroh. If it was a question of how much I support a character personally for Brawl, it would probably be 100%- or even more, if you want to be irrational. ^_^ Goroh is my #1, Numero Uno choice for a character for Brawl- for an F-Zero rep and in general. Too bad the support of one person doesn't equal actual chances...
Well, what does Goroh-domo have in his favor? Let's take a look...
Reputation:
Well, it might not rank up there with Mario, Zelda, or Poke'mon, but F-Zero is definitely one of Nintendo's most famous series. And yet, how many characters did we have to represent the series in SSB and SSBM? One, in the form of Captain Falcon. Not that that's a bad thing, but think about it- if Samurai Goroh had been one of the characters in question for Melee HYPOTHETICALLY, who do you think would've been given a slot in the roster- Dr. Mario, Mr. Game & Watch, or Samurai Goroh? Now that there's been a possible 40-character roster with 15-18 openings (depending on the characters removed), shouldn't Samurai get one of those slots as a second F-Zero rep?
Connections:
So, how does Samurai Goroh contribute to F-Zero's major plotline and protagonist? He was one of the first four drivers, and has close ties to Captain Falcon, the protagonist, as his greatest rival and one of the villains. He has also appeared in every F-Zero game except for only one. But you know what? Captain Falcon was excluded from the exact same game as well. Someone had commented previously that he was simply the "Wario" to Captain Falcon's "Mario". Well hey, Wario's gonna be in Brawl, ain't he? That makes me hopeful.
You know what? I also believe that if Captain Falcon gets confirmed in the next trailer (if they make one... *crosses fingers*), they might just confirm Samurai Goroh alongside him.Popularity/Fame/Recognizability
Samurai has indeed been mentioned once or twice on the Toukoken. And among the F-Zero characters' popularity/fame/recognizability, he's probably the second most recognizable character, only after Captain Falcon, of course.
Warrior Skills
If we had merely taken a look back in 1991 at the descriptions of the four original F-Zero pilots, without any knowledge of who was the actual star of the series, for some sort of fighting game that would debut 7-8 years later, who do you think we might have chosen? Pico, a gunman, or Samurai Goroh, a swordsman, would be my guess.
Now fast-forward to 2003. Now we're fully educated as to who the star is and we've got information on about 40 other pilots as well. Now we know that Captain Falcon is the star, and the characters with the closest links to him are Samurai Goroh, Blood Falcon, Black Shadow, and Jody Summers. If you watch some of the movies for F-Zero GX's Story Mode/victory mini-movies, you'll see that Samurai Goroh has been shown wielding his sword several times. Black Shadow, who is now the series' major villain, has been shown fighting Falcon with some sort of "plasma energy field stuff". In one scene. Blood Falcon... puts a bomb on his car. And Jody Summers... meh, she just gets captured or put in danger by Black Shadow all the time, even though she works for the Galactic Space Federation. We've known about Samurai Goroh and his swordsmanship for... 12 years now. Who do you think has more experience with weaponry?
Cases in point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1Q4jPjNztI Also features a possible rolling dodge technique. ;P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5ZmXhHnf-Q Okay, sort of a 'wtf' movie, but it's clear he has mastery of the blade.
Unfortunately, I can't find a clip for the Dai Goroh movie (heehee, Samurai's got a kid before Falcon does), but it features Samurai demonstrating his skills as a swordsman to his son.
Contributions:
So, what would Samurai Goroh bring to the pot luck dinner of Brawl? He'd be an additional heavyweight fighter, another swordsman, another villain, and another F-Zero rep. And we're kinda short in each of these categories, although "villain" isn't really that big of a deal. Depending on if Ganondorf returns and/or how he is Luigified, Goroh might also be our first heavyweight swordsman, as most of them have been pretty lightweight and nimble before him. Considering how heavily muscled he is, he could probably also be given a semi-fist-fighting moveset to accompany his swordfighting, if pure swordsmanship seems too "commonplace" for some of you.
Miscellaneous:
Okay, some of the stupider reasons go here! First of all, there was the Nintendo "teaser" thing in the trailer for Melee. And the fact he was a trophy.
One other thing I thought was nifty is I had a dream about him being in Brawl. I don't know how many of you have ever played Starfox Adventures, but he was on the Darkice Mines level (funny how it's called DarkICE when there's lava everywhere) in some sort of black leather costume, fighting against the Blue team of Captain Falcon, Zamus, and Marth.
As for my defense against the "anti-Goroh" reasoners:
Someone a few pages back commented about how we don't need rep for F-Zero because it's such a "minor series". Y'know, the really "big" franchises are Mario, Zelda, and PKMN. Kirby, Metroid, Starfox, and F-Zero are more like Nintendo's "semi-major" series. Yet a new Kirby character has been confirmed, a new character from the Kirby series has been highly suggested (Dedede), and people have also suggested new characters for Metroid (Ridley is most popular, while Dark Samus is second) and Starfox (Wolf and Krystal). So hey, why can't F-Zero share in some glory?
And speaking of "minor series"- as I said before, while F-Zero isn't exactly a major seller like Mario or Zelda, it isn't exactly a minor franchise either. I like to think of it as "semi-major", sort of like Metroid and Starfox. So if the minor/semi-major franchises supposedly don't deserve rep, are we going to give it all away to the major franchise's characters? After we got 5 (6 counting Yoshi) Mario characters, 4 Zelda characters, and 4 from Poke'mon? Remember, we're kinda running low on major characters available for those franchises. Do we want to give more rep to the major franchises or do we want to share some love with the semi-majors, who only got 1-2 reps for Melee?
Put it this way- who would probably be the best character for Brawl if it came down to Princess Daisy, Dark Link, or Samurai Goroh-sama for a roster spot?
As my friend hemightbegiant would put it:
"Remember kiddies, a major character from a minor (or in this case, semi-major
) series > a minor character from a major series.He's also one of those characters that a person would have a gut instinct about... and my gut is telling me Goroh. (It's also told me King Dedede, Diddy Kong, Krystal, and "Go for the Klondike bars!")
All in all, I give Samurai Goroh a very healthy 85% for Brawl.
PS: I hope a shortened version of this would be his victory theme song: http://dl1.ffshrine.org/soundtracks...AX Original Soundtracks/104_samurai_goroh.mp3
Ferro De Lupe
Smash Lord
Very nicely presented...
LukeFonFabre
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Wow, that was a bigass post. Congrats. Though aren't you going to nominate anyone?
Really, I do'y understand this 'F-zero doesn't need another rep' arguement. That's like saying none of the series need another rep, which is something I don't think anyone believes. Granted F-zero is not as major as some of the others, but I'd say another F-zero character is almost guaranteed. However, there are a lot of characters from F-zero that could be just as interesting as Goroh, but then I think it falls down to popularity, and from what I can tell the Samurai has that in bucket fulls.
75% chance
Nominate: Ouendan (x5)
Really, I do'y understand this 'F-zero doesn't need another rep' arguement. That's like saying none of the series need another rep, which is something I don't think anyone believes. Granted F-zero is not as major as some of the others, but I'd say another F-zero character is almost guaranteed. However, there are a lot of characters from F-zero that could be just as interesting as Goroh, but then I think it falls down to popularity, and from what I can tell the Samurai has that in bucket fulls.
75% chance
Nominate: Ouendan (x5)
bijoukaiba
Smash Journeyman
Thank you. You can probably tell I'm an F-Zero/Captain Falcon/Samurai Goroh fangirl...
EDIT: Oh, and I already spent all my nominations on Samurai Goroh ("I'm all in for my Samurai!")... does that mean I get a new five now that he's being/been debated?
Ferro De Lupe
Smash Lord
Thank you. You can probably tell I'm an F-Zero/Captain Falcon/Samurai Goroh fangirl...
EDIT: Oh, and I already spent all my nominations on Samurai Goroh ("I'm all in for my Samurai!")... does that mean I get a new five now that he's being/been debated?
You get one vote and five nominations every update.
Updating...
Numa Dude
Smash Lord
50%
I nominate Simon Belmont X5
I nominate Simon Belmont X5
RVD_fan
Smash Ace
Wow, If Samurai Goroh can't knock Megaman out of the top ten, who can?
Anyways, he seems to be a popular character from a fairly popular franchise, but I think it would be wierd for him to be in brawl. I'll go 35%.
Edit:O yeah, nominations, Cloux4, Gengarx1
Anyways, he seems to be a popular character from a fairly popular franchise, but I think it would be wierd for him to be in brawl. I'll go 35%.
Edit:O yeah, nominations, Cloux4, Gengarx1
Wrath`
Smash Master
i realy dont know him so 49.9%
Blaze(5)
Blaze(5)
Advance Wars os a rather popular series, yet the CO's aren't too popular which leads me to believe that Andy is looking good in Sakurai's eyes. He would have a unique moveset and possibly some healing moves, so I can really see it happening. 55%.
Rygar x5
Rygar x5
Bowserlick
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It seems the Japanese love their strategy games. I don't know enough about Andy to give a fair vote, even after reading the Wiki article. So I am going to sit this one out.
Tom Nook x 5
Tom Nook x 5
pirkid
Smash Lord
20%
I highly doubt he will get in.
Not to say I don't want him, I love him, but I just can't see an Advance Wars character making it. Maybe a trophy or a dramatic cutscene, but nothing more.
I highly doubt he will get in.
Not to say I don't want him, I love him, but I just can't see an Advance Wars character making it. Maybe a trophy or a dramatic cutscene, but nothing more.
digifreak642
Smash Journeyman
I have never played an Advance War game but Advance Wars is one of the top 3 new(ish) franchises that need to be represented. (The other ones are Pikmin and Animal Crossing.)
I give Andy 55% chance.
Nominate Balloon Fighter x5.
I give Andy 55% chance.
Nominate Balloon Fighter x5.
The series has a much longer standing in Japan, but it seems to have gained a following here as well, with a Wii game on the way. I wonder how the moveset would work out, what with the aversion to real-weapons.
I give Andy 30%
Tom Nook (x5)
I give Andy 30%
Tom Nook (x5)
I'd say fifty percent. On the one hand, Advance wars is a decent size franchise with a lot of character and no rep. On the other hand, unlike Fire Emblem Lords, I don't think Advance War COs fight directly. I could be wrong, but they certinly don't fight with too much flash. He'd work if his B-moves summoned like a tank and a plane and stuff. But eeven then, Sakurai doesn't like realistic guns. OR rather, the ESRB doesn't.
I nominate the Hero of Winds x5
I nominate the Hero of Winds x5
Devastlian
Smash Lord
The Wars series has been around for awhile and seems pretty popular. There's really nothing against him. Seventy percent.
Three for Crono and two for Lucas.
Three for Crono and two for Lucas.
D3monicWolv3s
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I think he has a chance... just not that big of one. 40%
X5 DK. Jr.
EDIT: yeah I am stupid forgot to put a precentage.
X5 DK. Jr.
EDIT: yeah I am stupid forgot to put a precentage.
SSJ4Kazuki
Smash Champion
I give Andy 90%.
+5 on Rayman!!!
+5 on Rayman!!!
Nietendodude
Smash Ace
Never played Advance wars. 50% is fair for me.
I nominate: Rayman(x5)
I nominate: Rayman(x5)
Stryks
Smash Hero
Juts like nietendodude, I never played AW b4, so i can give him high or low chances: 50%
Nominates: Ouendan x5
Nominates: Ouendan x5
Kirye
Smash Ace
Same as the two above me. XD Never bothered playing the game, heard it was good but I was too lazy to check it out, also dunno who he is, so I can't opinionate. 50%
Nominate Black Knight x 5
Nominate Black Knight x 5
killbeast301
Smash Lord
Hmm, the main character from a 0-represented franchise? They can make a moveset, even if he did no actual fighting, they can take moves from other characters, like kirby took Dedede's hammer. 70%
nominate: Rayman x 5
nominate: Rayman x 5
Croco
Smash Lord
I;m not to sure what to give Andy.
I'll give him a 50% chance.. it may or may not happen.
Dr. Wright x5
I'll give him a 50% chance.. it may or may not happen.
Dr. Wright x5
Brawlmatt202
Smash Champion
Andy from Advance Wars...
Well, the game series is pretty popular, so 70%
Nominations:
Captain Syrup x3
Mr. Resetti x2
Well, the game series is pretty popular, so 70%
Nominations:
Captain Syrup x3
Mr. Resetti x2
Lord_Deathborne
Smash Champion
Nintendo's Wars series is indeed in need of representation and I am sure that Sakurai and Co. have been considering it. However, I don't think that Andy has a clear advantage over the other main COs, such as Sami and Max, who in fact shared the spotlight with him in AW and AW2, and then there's Jake and Rachel as the main COs in AW:DS. The fact that Andy took a back seat role while Sami and Max still featured prominent ones in AW:DS doesn't really help his chances much either. With regard to this situation, I'd have to give Andy a 50% chance.
All my nominations go to Mike Jones.
All my nominations go to Mike Jones.
Eight Sage
Smash Lord
I'll give Andy a 50%, simply 'cause he isn't popular (but pit either... that's why I giving him a coin toss)
Nominates Simon Belmont x5
Nominates Simon Belmont x5
Thrillhouse-vh.
Smash Hero
Andy, eh? I suppose I could go either way.
50%
5 nominations to Mike Jones
50%
5 nominations to Mike Jones
Lord_Deathborne
Smash Champion
petre
Smash Lord
advance wars needs some rep. i think it would have had a better shot had battalion wars kept the characters from advance wars, and not been made into an entirely new series (which is what happened in the end), but i still think it has an ok chance. 55%.
nominating...simon belmont x5 ftw!!!!
nominating...simon belmont x5 ftw!!!!
bluebomber22
Smash Champion
15%
NOMINATE doug heffernan x5
King of Queens rules
NOMINATE doug heffernan x5
King of Queens rules
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I give Andy 30%, he doesn't seem to quiet fit in with tte fightinjg style. Then again, I've never played that much of Advanced Wars. I believe Advance Wars needs a rep, along with Golden Sun and maybe Pikmin, but Capt Olimar, Issac, and Felix are easily above Andy on the want list for newcomers.. Plus the competition is clearly heating up as to who gets which slot, what series gets how many, and so on. If I knew more about the series/character I would have a more acurate hypothesis.
I nominate The Wind Waker Link 5x! O ya! The Wind Waker= 1 of the best LOZ games, period! I like this Link as much as my favorite Twilight Princess & Majora's Mask Link, even more than ALTTP & OOT. He is simply hilarious, and is easily the funniest Link, & has mad sword skillz! Man I love that game=1 of the best Links. Lol, it is obvious that I have beaten The Wind Waker three times, lol. Gotta love it! 
I nominate The Wind Waker Link 5x! O ya! The Wind Waker= 1 of the best LOZ games, period! I like this Link as much as my favorite Twilight Princess & Majora's Mask Link, even more than ALTTP & OOT. He is simply hilarious, and is easily the funniest Link, & has mad sword skillz! Man I love that game=1 of the best Links. Lol, it is obvious that I have beaten The Wind Waker three times, lol.
Gotta love it!
Lawrencelot
Smash Lord
Advance Wars seems popular enough. 70% for Andy.
Meowth x5
Come on people nominate Meowth he is comparable to jigglypuff in fame, if they're adding a pokemon he has good chance.
Meowth x5
Come on people nominate Meowth he is comparable to jigglypuff in fame, if they're adding a pokemon he has good chance.
HiddenTiger
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Never played Advance Wars, but I've heard good things. Still, I can't say for certain that the franchise will show up in Smash. I'll give him 50% since it could really go either way.
Nominate Tom Nook x5
Nominate Tom Nook x5
0rion
Smash Journeyman
Uh.....yo fellas, who's Andy?