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[LoneKonWolf]

Mewtwo - 70%
first off, greninja did put a hole in him, by taking a spot, that leaves 4 spots taken and only one guarantee and one theoretical,
second, he is not competing with Jigglypuff, shes been here since the beginning, and has beaten mewtwo to the roster not once but twice (64, she was chosen over mewtwo for being similar to Kirby, and in brawl because she was easy to make when time was running out) shes going to retain her perfect attendance no matter what, that is 5 slots down.
now mewtwo positives are that a 6th slot is actually likely, and since he is the most requested character ever, hes pretty likely, and he is only getting very minor competition from other pokemon, he's also been considered to every smash game to date, if a 6th slot is happening its mostly his, mostly, there is doubt mates
also to finish this up, hoenn remakes changes nothing from his score, I have no idea why were rating him again
want - 50%
i'll be honest, I have never cared for mewtwo, I can see why others do though and I can understand them,
but personally if he makes it in good, if he doesn't then I wouldn't even bother
halcandra stage - 12.50%
its in the realm of possibility, just like all other stages, theres nothing to point us forward to a specific stage for Kirby
want - 60%
meh I guess so
gemastsu leak - 46.89%
that's going to be an interesting day
savvy stylist - 1.58%
. . . . .
nominations:
Mr. ResettiX5

 

[NickerBocker]

Mewtwo
Chance: 85%
Want: 100%

What I will say has been said. Hes popular, intended for all the Smash games, Relevant, well you get the idea. He has everything going for him and nothing against him.

Halcandra: abstain

Gematsu Leak: 63.2%
Savvy Stylist: 4.6%

Crono x5

 

[Deleted member]

One puzzling thing to me is... do I consider Layton overrated or not...
Mewtwo and Halcandra have been added to the Directory.
If you have rated Mewtwo before, check to see what you've said on his day!

Mewtwo
Chance: 40%
Why are we rating Mewtwo again? Because Hoenn got confirmed? This shouldn't hurt Mewtwo by any means. In fact, I argue that this hurts Squirtle and Ivysaur than it does Mewtwo and Jigglypuff.
I am still thinking that we will get 5 Pokemon slots and that Mewtwo and Jigglypuff have to compete.
There is nothing more that I can add. So, I shall copy and paste what I said before!

As I’ve mentioned on Greninja’s Satisfaction, Mewtwo was hurt because of Greninja’s reveal.
There are a lot of things going for Mewtwo, such as having two Mega Evolutions (a trait Mewtwo and Charizard share), it is a Melee veteran, and it is the most wanted character worldwide. This is obviously a character that Sakurai cannot ignore!
However, there is some room for doubt. While there were 6 playable Pokémon in Brawl, Pokémon still had four slots like Mario. I believe that if a series gets 6 slots, it’s going to be Mario first, not Pokémon. As a result, I think that Mewtwo and Jigglypuff have to compete against each other. Mewtwo is, again, the most wanted newcomer worldwide and people even believe that Mewtwo’s absence was a travesty. On the other hand, Jigglypuff is a three-time veteran, which only eleven other characters have a claim to that. Believe it or not, Jigglypuff has power within the community. People love Jigglypuff and its inclusion in Smash; I had a roster that cut Jigglypuff for Mewtwo and people questioned why I removed her from my roster. Cutting Jigglypuff for Mewtwo is easier said then done; she has fans and she has power. Sakurai has to think about his decision carefully.
It really is a competition between these two for the final slot. One group of people will bound up being disappointed in the end.
I can see a scenario where we will get both Mewtwo and Jigglypuff, but I sense that there is room for one more Pokémon.

Want: 100%
I'm not overly hyped for Mewtwo. In fact, I would be more hyped and excited if Shulk, Bandana Dee, or King K. Rool got confirmed. Despite this, I want Mewtwo to return. I mean... it's Mewtwo! It shouldn't have been cut in the first place!

Halcandra
Chance: 5%
This is the last area that I think that they will go with from KRtDL. There isn't anything too special about it. Dangerous Dinner is a lava area while Egg Engines is a metallic and industrial area. It's a bit more on the dark and gritty side in terms of areas in KRtDL. We kinda already have a gritty Kirby area with the Halberd returning.
Halcandra isn't an area that would really stand out on its own as a stage. If anything, I expect Cookie Country and Nutty Noon to be stages before Halcandra.
Want: 10%
Ehh... I would be disappointed if it got in as a stage.

The Gematsu Leak is Real Prediction: 59.87%
This shall be interesting. I sense a lot of leak supporters and leak doubters. To be honest, I'm pretty hyped for this day!
Savvy Stylist Prediction: 0.03%
She's going to get destroyed.

Hmm... what to nominate what to nominate...
Nominations: All Brawl Veterans Return / No Brawl Cuts 5x
Snake's situation is dire and Squirtle and Ivysaur are in grave danger. I wanna revisit this.

Nominations: Veteran Downgrade x5

We're going to Predict this tomorrow!

 

[Rymi]

I see you're new, so I'll cut you some slack. You need to give chance and want scored numerically, and how in the world does Mewtwo not have a chance? He's a First Party Veteran with worldwide popularity.

im sorry i should be more accepting i personally think has has maybe 40/60 chance to be in the game as a playable character they might make him a assist trophy or pokemon but i dont think so if anything a playable character that just my thought

 

[Deleted member]

EDIT: Double post. My Internet sucks.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

im sorry i should be more accepting i personally think has has maybe 40/60 chance to be in the game as a playable character they might make him a assist trophy or pokemon but i dont think so if anything a playable character that just my thought

Pokémon doesn';t get assists, and he wont be a pokeball. It's playable or nothing. like Brawl.

 

[Rymi]

I see you're new, so I'll cut you some slack. You need to give chance and want scored numerically, and how in the world does Mewtwo not have a chance? He's a First Party Veteran with worldwide popularity.

im sorry i should be more accepting i personally think has has maybe 40/60 chance to be in the game as a playable character they might make him a assist trophy or pokemon but i dont think so if anything a playable character if they can make it seem unique then ok but other wise he's kinda like lucario that just my thought

 

[Capybara Gaming]

im sorry i should be more accepting i personally think has has maybe 40/60 chance to be in the game as a playable character they might make him a assist trophy or pokemon but i dont think so if anything a playable character if they can make it seem unique then ok but other wise he's kinda like lucario that just my thought

You still need a numerical percent out of a possible 100%.

 

[Rymi]

You still need a numerical percent out of a possible 100%.

40% and sorry for the repeat my browser was weird

 

[Capybara Gaming]

40% and sorry for the repeat my browser was weird

That's fine. Are you abstaing from Halcandra?


I also suggest reading through some previous pages to get a feel of how we do this round here (we take it very seriously)

 

[Toxicroaker]

Mewtwo
Chance: 65%
+ Veteran
+ Highly Requested
+ Mega-evolution poster boy
+ All dem anime movies
+ Catchable in X/Y
+ Debuted in everyone's favorite generation

- Generations I and VI are already represented
- A bit too similar to Lucario
- Competing with Jigglypuff
- Gamefreak may prefer to push Gen. III.

Want: 40%
If I could only have two more Pokemon reps, it'd be Jigglypuff and Sceptile. If we're getting three more (highly unlikely) then sure- go ahead and toss in Mewtwo. I'm not a fan of his melee moveset, though. And I would prefer for other Pokemon to have a chance at Smash, such as Mew, Darkrai, Arceus, or Gardevoir (I know they're all disconfirmed, but still). I do like Mewtwo, but I'd only be happy with his inclusion if his moveset sees significant altercations.

Halcandra
Chance: 10%
Want: 40%, I really want a Kirby's Epic Yarn stage.

Nomz: Lanky Kong x5

Because Lucario and Mewtwo have a similar neutral special, they are too similar. I don't get it.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Mewtwo
Chance: 0%
Want: 0%
I could care less at this point. As it looks now there's only one Pokemon spot left, and it's for Jigglypuff. And no, don't try to tell me about transforming characters, because they're gone now, for good. Sakurai most likely cut transformations to rebalance franchise representation, and he won't be making the mistake he made with Pokemon Trainer ever again. No franchise deserves more reps than Mario. If Mario however does get a sixth rep, then I'd consider Mewtwo as 30%. And people even bother to call my mascot theory "only good for the trash can?" That's ridiculous!

 

[Rymi]

That's fine. Are you abstaing from Halcandra?


I also suggest reading through some previous pages to get a feel of how we do this round here (we take it very seriously)

For halcandra i think it has a 65% chance because we need a new kirby stage and its more recent yet they might pill one from triple deluxe

 

[Toxicroaker]

Mewtwo
Chance: 0%
Want: 0%
I could care less at this point. As it looks now there's only one Pokemon spot left, and it's for Jigglypuff. And no, don't try to tell me about transforming characters, because they're gone now, for good. Sakurai most likely cut transformations to rebalance franchise representation, and he won't be making the mistake he made with Pokemon Trainer ever again. No franchise deserves more reps than Mario. If Mario however does get a sixth rep, then I'd consider Mewtwo as 30%. And people even bother to call my mascot theory "only good for the trash can?" That's ridiculous!

So... Mewtwo's deconfirmed? Really?

 

[False Sense]

Mewtwo
Chance: 0%
Want: 0%
I could care less at this point. As it looks now there's only one Pokemon spot left, and it's for Jigglypuff. And no, don't try to tell me about transforming characters, because they're gone now, for good. Sakurai most likely cut transformations to rebalance franchise representation, and he won't be making the mistake he made with Pokemon Trainer ever again. No franchise deserves more reps than Mario. If Mario however does get a sixth rep, then I'd consider Mewtwo as 30%. And people even bother to call my mascot theory "only good for the trash can?" That's ridiculous!

You do realize Sakurai explicitly stated he removed transformations for the purpose of balancing gameplay? You know, so that people could focus on a single fighter and move set instead of having to deal with two (or three) at once? There is nothing to suggest he removed it to "rebalance" the roster itself, especially when the "mistake" he made is only a mistake in your eyes.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

You do realize Sakurai explicitly stated he removed transformations for the purpose of balancing gameplay? You know, so that people could focus on a single fighter and move set instead of having to deal with two (or three) at once? There is nothing to suggest he removed it to "rebalance" the roster itself, especially when the "mistake" he made is only a mistake in your eyes.

I know that's what he said, but remember: Sakurai is known for not telling the whole truth

 

[Capybara Gaming]

For halcandra i think it has a 65% chance because we need a new kirby stage and its more recent yet they might pill one from triple deluxe

A 65% seems a bit high but it's your rating, not mine. You also need to factor though the sheer number of possible stages from any one game (for RtDL alone theres the Starcutter, Cookie Countryy, Landia, Onion Ocean, among MANY others)

 

[Rymi]

I know that's what he said, but remember: Sakurai is known for not telling the whole truth

Yeah but i dont think he would lie about this

 

[False Sense]

I know that's what he said, but remember: Sakurai is known for not telling the whole truth

...And therefore you assume that Sakurai is operating contrary to how he has in the past and instead according to your own rules which may or may not mean anything at all? And that, under this assumption, there is absolutely no chance for Mewtwo to be in?

Seriously? What if your theory (because that's all it is. A baseless theory) is wrong? What if Mewtwo gets in over Jigglypuff? What if Mario actually does get a sixth character? With all these unknowns, how can you possibly justify a 0% chance score?

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Yeah but i dont think he would lie about this

Believe me, he's told bigger lies, especially about how Sonic got into Brawl

Seriously? What if your theory (because that's all it is. A baseless theory) is wrong? What if Mewtwo gets in over Jigglypuff? What if Mario actually does get a sixth character? With all these unknowns, how can you possibly justify a 0% chance score?

It's just 0% as it is now

 

[YoshiandToad]

Mewtwo
Chance: 75%
Ah Mewtwo...it'd be surprising and quite cruel if the most requested Smash character on the planet once again gets screwed out of landing a roster placement. This would mean that Sakurai really doesn't care one jot what the fans want from the roster; Mewtwo's relevant still because of his two Mega forms and recently starred in a Pokemon movie(which is all Lucario had going for him if we're honest at the time of his inclusion.)

Mewtwo has been planned for all past Smash games and yet pitifully has only managed to make it in 1/3 of the time...and he was TERRIBLE in that one game he appeared.

Overall Mewtwo has entirely too much in his favour for Sakurai to seriously not add him for a third(and fourth) time in a Smash game. MOST requested character, a returning veteran, so he's obviously worked in the past(although your mileage may vary on exactly how well he worked) and currently great advertisement material for the Pokemon Company. Second most popular Pokemon on the planet right after Charizard...by all means he should be the most obvious no brainer, shoe-in character we expected pre-direct.

Want: 65%
I have an...awkward relationship with Mewtwo. Psychic Pokemon are my absolute favourites, but memories of players merely grabbing SIX Mewtwos in their teams still bring back bad memories of how unbalanced Red/Blue/Yellow/Green were.

On the one hand, he's the original ultimate Pokemon...predating Pokemon Gods like Groudon, Kyogre, Rayquaza, Arceus, Dialga and Palkia, Mewtwo was the most powerful Pokemon bar none, and as a result managed to rack up quite the fanbase.
On the other hand; Melee.
If that is Sakurai's idea of correctly representing Mewtwo, a weird combination of low kill power, floatiness and being a huge light weight target, I'd rather we just have him where he's meant to be...in a Master Ball.

Mewtwo needs some power and weight behind him in order to not be god awful. I'll settle for one of those two buffs as long as he can duck under projectiles this time, but I don't want him as god awfully terrible as he was in the past. To think he'd have less power than PICHU of all things is just embarrassing.

Halcandra Stage
Chance: 20%
Yeah, no idea.

Want: 50%
Total indifference. If it ain't Glitz Pit or Bowser's Castle I can't get overly excited about stages.

 

[False Sense]

Believe me, he's told bigger lies, especially about how Sonic got into Brawl

It's just 0% as it is now

But... Clearly there's no getting through to you.

But what exactly are you referring to about Sakurai lying about in regard to Somic getting in Brawl? It better not be another theory of yours...

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

But... Clearly there's no getting through to you.

But what exactly are you referring to about Sakurai lying about in regard to Somic getting in Brawl? It better not be another theory of yours...

It's not a theory, I've got the issue of GameInformer magazine that shares an interview with Yuji Naka that stated that Sonic was actually planned for Melee, which that campaign was pushed by Naka, not fans. By the time Brawl was in development, Naka was no longer working for SEGA, so Sakurai had a hard time getting his replacement's permission to add Sonic, but since Sakurai repeatedly pushed for it, they eventually gave in.

 

[False Sense]

It's not a theory, I've got the issue of GameInformer magazine that shares an interview with Yuji Naka that stated that Sonic was actually planned for Melee, which that campaign was pushed by Naka, not fans. By the time Brawl was in development, Naka was no longer working for SEGA, so Sakurai had a hard time getting his replacement's permission to add Sonic, but since Sakurai repeatedly pushed for it, they eventually gave in.

Is that magazine a credible source of information? And where's the "lie" you claim Sakurai made?

 

[PK_Wonder]

Mewtwo - 85% I don't particularly think Ruby/Sapphire remakes improve Sceptile/Blaziken's chances as much as most of you, so Mewtwo remains almost as high as he did before with me.
Want - 100%

predict Gematsu leak 51% and Savvy Stylist 1%

Flynn x10 since I missed yesterday... just kidding, I know I only have 5 nominations.

 

[a smart guy]

Mewtwo:
Chance: 85% He's about as likely as Jigglypuff. Why did we need to re-rate him?
Want: 95% As long as he doesn't drop Jigglypuff, I would love him.

Halcandra Stage:
Chance: 5% It's too similar to Halberd, which has been confirmed for returning.
Want: 0% I like Return to Dream Land, but there's better ideas to take a stage from.

Predictions:
Gematsu Leak: 50%
Savvy Stylist: 5.4%

Nominations: Dr. Lobe x5

 

[PKNinja95]

Mewtwo
Chance: 80% He has a fat fanbase so I can see him in with Jiggly.
Want: 100% He was one of my faves in Melee so it would awesome if he was in.

 

[LoneKonWolf]

I've got the issue of GameInformer magazine that shares an interview with Yuji Naka that stated that Sonic was actually planned for Melee

wasn't that an April fools joke?
Edit: I believe I found what he was talking about:

Spoiler

 

[Deleted member]

wasn't that an April fools joke?

No, the Sonic April Fools joke was from EGM.
I think that we should stay on track and rate Mewtwo.

 

[Cheezey Bites]

Halcandra: 3%
I think we'll get a RtDL stage, but I think an actual level is more likely than the overworld... or ofcourse the Lor Starcutter, that's much more likely anyway.

Want: 10%
Would prefer them too...


Mewtwo: 95%
You realise Greninja's in the game right? He's not effected by the Hoenn remakes and Mewtwo has more relevance in X&Y than Greninja has... though maybe not will have by the end of this season of the anime... Moreover Pokémon can justify having lots of characters, it is after all a yearly series that makes insane sales and has a bunch of spin-offs, so I don't see there being any problem with getting Mewtwo aswell as Jiggles and/or Sceptile, really those two are fighting for what's probably one slot, could be none, and could maybe be 2...

Want: 100%
He's Mewtwo, he should come back!


Gematsu Leak: 44.4%
Knowing this board...

Savvy Stylist: 3.33%
Girls Mode is popular, but you can't capture the game in a playable character... I'm not 100% sold we'll even get a trophy for the series if I'm honest...


Slime*5
(was half tempted to wait for Crono to get up to the top so we could rate 2 Square Enix characters designed by Akira Toriyama in the same day... but that'd be a bit much...)

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Ok mewtwo again here goes.

Chance 80%

A veteran.

Mean't for brawl.

6 playable in brawl not 4.

Most requested character.

The new hoenn games do not hurt him at all.

Most wanted character of them all even more wanted than ridley.

Sakurai making us think mewtwo failed again to make us exspect him less so the hype is bigger for his reveal.

Want 100%
All the way guys all the way

The kirby stage

No words for either

Chance 60%

Want 80%

 

[CanadianSmasher1992]

Mewtwo -

Chance: 80%

It's been stated that Mewtwo is consistently one of the most, if not the most, requested character for SSB4 worldwide. That in itself is huge! Sonic was a character who Sakurai stated was the most requested character for Brawl. So much so, that they included him after having already finalized the roster. I see the same happening with Mewtwo. With the Wii Fit Trainers and Greninja (characters that had very little to no support for their inclusion) added into the roster, I cannot see why Sakurai would exclude Mewtwo this time around. A lot of people are saying that it's because Pokemon can't have more slots than Mario or because Greninja and Lucario already have chargeable neutral specials. But I would think Sakurai would first care more about including a widely popular character over following a supposed rule (that he has not directly stated even exists). And Sakurai could also revamp Mewtwo's moveset and just not give him shadow ball. Shadow Ball, isn't really Mewtwo's signature attack anyways. Doesn't that honor already go to Psystrike? Also, if you look at Event Match 10 on Smash Bros. Melee, the one entitled "All Star Match 1", the description says: "It's the Mario stars: Mario, DK, Yoshi, Peach, and Bowser". This should be proof that Sakurai sees the DK and Yoshi series as being a part of the Mario universe. Therefore, Sakurai could justify Pokemon having 6 characters by reasoning that the Mario universe is represented by 9 characters (or 10 if we have a third DK representative).

Want: 90%

Love the character. Disappointed he was cut in Brawl. Would love to see him back.

Halcandra Stage -

Chance: 50%

Any stage from "Return to Dreamland" is fair game, I feel. Though, I've never actually played Return to Dreamland, so maybe I'm not the best person for this.

Want: 50%

It looks pretty cool. Why not?

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Mewtwo - 85%

Can easily get in alongside Lucario, Jigglypuff and Greninja. Greninja may have hurt it's chances a bit, but for one thing....slots mean nothing. Pokemon Trainer's three Pokemon were considered separate characters in Brawl for example. Mario had more characters than Pokemon did in Melee, and Pokemon had more characters in Brawl than Mario did, just less slots because three of them were part of a transformation character. This can easily happen again, just with more individual slots this time. Mewtwo isn't anywhere near to being disconfirmed.

There is pretty much nothing going against Mewtwo otherwise.

Want - 95%

Greninja is freaking awesome, and while I'm not that hyped for Mewtwo, it deserves to return and should not have been cut in the first place. He'd be freaking awesome if he got a revamp, that I'm sure of.

Halcandra stage - 48%

Tough one. Mainly because there are tons of Kirby stages to choose from, this is just one of the many possible stages that could make for a great one in Smash.

Want - 90%

If it's anything like the last level of Dangerous Dinnner, then ALL OF MY YES!!!

Gematsu leak prediction - 46.77%

Personally I'm tried of hearing about most "leaks" anymore. I suppose it's simply because I lost track of several of them ever since I gave up on following the old rumors and leaks thread. Every now and then I intend to do a little research on some, but other than that...

Savvy Stylist prediction - 3.25%

Hard to imagine this character being playable.

Plusle/Minun x5

 

[ultimatekoopa]

Mewtwo
Chance: 0%
Want: 0%
I could care less at this point. As it looks now there's only one Pokemon spot left, and it's for Jigglypuff. And no, don't try to tell me about transforming characters, because they're gone now, for good. Sakurai most likely cut transformations to rebalance franchise representation, and he won't be making the mistake he made with Pokemon Trainer ever again. No franchise deserves more reps than Mario. If Mario however does get a sixth rep, then I'd consider Mewtwo as 30%. And people even bother to call my mascot theory "only good for the trash can?" That's ridiculous!

It was stated by Sakurai that transformations were gone because he wanted player to focus on only one moveset instead of having to charge battle styles, Why was it a mistake? Both zelda and pokemon got more characters that mario in the last game, your mascot theory is only good for trash can because it holds no value, bring a single quote where sakurai said "Mario must have the more reps than any other series" oh wait you can't because he never said that, he already laughed at this "principle" in the last game, you should stop using fan made rules like facts
Mewtwo 93% Popular, unique, requested, has been planned in all 3 games and Sakurai comment about him makes him extremely likely
Want 100% He is mewtwo, no need to say anything more

 

[Louie G.]

Jesus, Cliff is so stubborn about the "mascot rule" and set number of "slots" argument, both of which are absolute bull****.

MEWTWO:

Chance: 85%
Mewtwo is not only an incredibly popular Pokemon, but he is the most requested Smash Bros character in the world. His popularity is literally impossible to ignore. He's the most iconic legendary of them all, has 2 Mega evolutions, and is one of the top advertisement Pokemon, especially since he's appeared in two movies recently. Sakurai is "considering" him, which seems to be ignored by everyone who doesn't expect Mewtwo anymore, and totally shouldn't. He's one of the only characters that Sakurai has said ANYTHING about and he literally went out of his way to stand up and tell everyone that he's "considering" Mewtwo. Pokemon did have 6 characters in Brawl, referred to by Sakurai himself as part of a 39 character roster rather than a 34 "slot" roster. I have a hard time believing that Mewtwo wasn't even planned to be in this game at all. If there's an ounce of Mewtwo data in this game Sakurai and crew will finish it, I am 100% positive of this. If he doesn't make it in he probably wasn't even planned, which is pretty much impossible at this point considering Sakurai said that he's considering Mewtwo. So Mewtwo's chances are hardly damaged, and anyone who says otherwise is ignoring hard factual evidence. Come up with something other than "Duhh Pokemon can't have more slots than Mario" and get back to me.

Want: 1000%
My all time favorite Pokemon and one of my favorite characters to play as in Melee. He is one of the only exclusions that would make me absolutely pissed at Sakurai.

Halcandra Stage: 10%
There are a lot of great locales in RTDL, but Halcandra doesn't really stand out over others like Nutty Noon, the Lor Starcutter, or even Cookie Country which make much more sense as RTDL stages. I wouldn't be surprised if we got two stages, but it would probably be out of the 3 I mentioned.

Want: 25%
It'd be pretty neat.

Gematsu Leak Prediction: 45%
Bias, bias everywhere.

Savvy Stylist Prediction: 1.5%
No.

Noms:
I missed a lot, but I'll take a shot in the dark.
Ridley x5

 

[pupNapoleon]

Ness is not third party. I am speaking in terms of third party characters.

And yes, the Professor Layton series is fairly big in that regard. But I would still say it's much more along the lines of Animal Crossing (a popular series with only a few games that also got a movie) then it is to the big names of other third party characters. And third party characters really should be limited to the really big names. If they start letting in smaller third party characters like Layton (and by smaller, I mean small compared to the big names like Sonic, Mega Man, etc) just because of the close ties the characters have with Nintendo, then that opens up way too many possibilities for third party characters to be in Smash, and as a result the roster starts to lose its focus of being Nintendo All-Stars.

I've read this, and your other arguments, which all seem to not explain Snake. Sure, he is from a decently known series, but one that lost all its real connection with Nintendo, and of which, he himself is not incredibly iconic outside of the series (a lay man would no sooner recognize him over Layton, which seems to be the standard youre holding).

I do not want too many third parties either, but to me, three third party slots for characters that are unique, add sales, and are allied with Nintendo, are fully beneficial. The fact that Layton is only on Nintendo, is sometimes thought to be a Nintendo character, and is more interesting than Toon Link, makes me think that if all that is holding him back is his company status, what a silly reason. Some of Nintendo's biggest all stars are not owned by the company itself.

 

[Mr_Anderson]

Abstaining from Halcandra

Mewtwo Chance: 70%
Mewtwo Want: 5%

I just... don't really like Mewtwo. He never really appealed to me as much as everyone else, in fact I've never particularly liked him. His inclusion in Melee made sense due to his massive popularity at the time, and he was cut in Brawl simply because he wasn't as popular. That being said, Mewtwo is one of the most likely Pokemon to make an appearance in Smash 4 due to his resurging popularity. Mewtwo getting in makes sense, but I think that it would represent Gen I too much with four Pokemon (Pikachu, Charizard, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo). Many could say that the Pokemon Trainer made 5 reps for Gen I in Brawl, but he didn't really feel like 3 different characters to me so much as a sole representative of the player in Pokemon games. So overall, it would make sense for Mewtwo to return, but I have no real personal attachment to him and don't really like him too much.

Predictions:
Gematsu Leak: 45.2%
Savvy Stylist: 1.6%

Nominations: Crono x5

 

[MargnetMan23]

Mewtwo: 87% the slot argument is complete bull **** so I'll ignore it, and greninja's existence doesn't really hurt his chances that much. Mewtwo's popularity alone is enough to get him in and he has gained a newfound relevancy. Really, the only point going against him is the fact that he isn't "needed" to represent any important aspects of X and Y like mega evolutions. But considering the fact that he's officially considered, there isn't much reason for us to not see him. And to the guy giving Mewtwo a 0% chance due to the slots argument... You're full of ****, plain and simple. Since people actually think it's a good argument, I guess I'm going to tackle it.
1. Going by Sakurai's consideration of characters, Pokémon already has more than Mario
2. Mario is such a far reaching series that some of its characters get spin-offs. Just because Yoshi has his own series doesn't mean he isn't a Mario character. Same can be said about DK and Wario, they're still basically part of the same universe. Why should Pokémon getting 6 reps matter when Mario still has a larger reaching control of the roster?
3. Unless you want to argue that Mewtwo was given low priority in Brawl because of the slot issue, there's no evidence that Sakurai even cares that much about it.
Want: 90% well, he's going to need to be remade a bit, and while Mewtwo is probably overrated as a pokémon, he brings both a great personality to the fight and a unique and potent play style as well. A psychic fighter, such a cool concept. The only thing that makes me give him less points it the fact that he might not be THAT great depending on how much they actually change him. If my Wii wasn't stolen and I could still play melee, I may or may not change my mind about using him as a main (side note: Melee for Wii U VC needs to be a thing.)

I'll opt out of the other one because that's simply not in my jurisdiction of knowledge.

Predictions:
Dat leak: 67.8% Well, I feel like there's going to be a large and extremely obvious divide on this one. 95% for one guy, 30% for the other, that's what I expect to see.
Dat Stylist: .72% I'm randomly reminded of that time I got my Sandbag prediction right. I can't get a right prediction for **** unless it's someone nobody cares about xD oh well.

Nomz:
Venusaur x5

 

[False Sense]

I've read this, and your other arguments, which all seem to not explain Snake. Sure, he is from a decently known series, but one that lost all its real connection with Nintendo, and of which, he himself is not incredibly iconic outside of the series (a lay man would no sooner recognize him over Layton, which seems to be the standard youre holding).

I do not want too many third parties either, but to me, three third party slots for characters that are unique, add sales, and are allied with Nintendo, are fully beneficial. The fact that Layton is only on Nintendo, is sometimes thought to be a Nintendo character, and is more interesting than Toon Link makes me think that if all that is holding him back is his company status, what a silly reason. Some of Nintendo's biggest all stars are not owned by the company itself.

Well, that argument is mostly over and done with, but there is one thing you've forgotten that Snake has that Layton lacks; impact. The Metal Gear series is critically acclaimed and is well known for popularizing the stealth genre in the gaming industry. In other words, the series has played a part in shaping the world of gaming as we know it today. The Professor Layton series, while a great puzzle series, is not revolutionizing anything at the moment and hasn't left much of an impact on gaming as a whole, aside from just being a popular, successful series. There are a lot of popular, successful series. There are only a few that revolutionize.

 

[Kenith]

In some regions, I think Professor Layton is actually published by Nintendo.