Rate Their Chance Returns! Day 13 - Bowser Jr.

[Morbi]

Toon Link

Likelihood: 85%- He is the representative of the DS games. We know Nintendo likes to push that. He is already a veteran and the new Wind Waker remastered is coming out. Sakurai likes having a younger Link on the roster.

Want: 20%- I would rather Deku Link or Wolf Link... or maybe no clone of Link would be just fine with me.

 

[Shorts]

Toon Link - 70%

Want: 4%

Mewtwo: 83%

Krystal x3
Tharja x1 (Plus my extra)
Zoroark x1

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Toon Link: 50%
Sakurai as you know is against cuts. Having a child link IS important to him. However, due to possible time constraints, I feel that Toon Link's fate isn't looking good. I'm sure though that IF he is cut and IF Sakurai impliments DLC that Toon Link will return. Essentially I'm banking on DLC with this precondition.

Want: 95%
I do not like cuts. At all. Toon Link is one of my favorite characters in Brawl as well. I don't want to see the little guy leave.

Mewtwo Prediction: 88%
I feel that people think that Mewtwo is the closest thing we have to a shoo-in.

Nominations:
Pokemon Trainer x3
Little Mac
Roy

 

[Ultinarok]

Toon Link: 50%. Half of me wants to think he's too important to be left out, the other suggests that he's a very likely character to be cut due to being a semi-clone, another version of an existing character, and being a late addition to Brawl.

Want: 30% if he's still a semi-clone. 75% if he's unique.

Mewtwo: 100%. Yeah, I went there. It'd be beyond stupid to not include him this time around.

 

[Deleted member]

@Shortie: You can use your extra nominations that you won.

@Ultinarok: So which is it going to be? I need one definitive percentage in order for the want score to count.

 

[Xenigma]

Toon Link - 75%
No doubt, TL has to be one of the most likely Brawl veterans to be cut. Let it be a vote of confidence for the Brawl roster then that I think even he's got a stronger chance of returning than not. The way I see it, he has three big strengths going for him:

1. He appears in more new Zelda games in the last decade than normal Link. No, really! Since Wind Waker in late '02, we've had four other games with Toon Link (FSA, MC, PH, ST) and just two with other incarnations of Link (TP, SS). Even if you include OoT3D and Crossbow Training they're only tied, and WW HD and ALBW will maintain the tie. Simply put, Toon Link is a big deal in modern Zelda!

2. Counting Young Link as his spiritual predecessor, we've had two Smash games with a small, quick Link in them. As such, it wouldn't be surprising to find that Sakurai wants to continue that legacy, and unless you really want to argue Classic Link is small enough and more unique than Toon Link, there's no other Link better for the job.

3. There really isn't a serious contender for the fourth Zelda slot, assuming Zelda doesn't lose one altogether. Impa and Tingle lack popularity, Ghirahim is just the latest in a long line of one-off villains, Vaati is recurring but hasn't appeared since Minish Cap in '04, and Toon Zelda/Sheik/Tetra already lost out to Toon Link back in Brawl. Seems to me Sakurai's more likely to simply keep Toon Link than pick a lesser character.

There are those that think he's doomed as the cloniest clone in all of cloneville. While true, it's still a clone archetype that has seen two games and could easily be decloned using the diverse Zelda arsenal if desired. Others will point out that he appears on the Spirit Tracks stage. It's true the Spirit Tracks incarnation of Toon Link does appear there, that hasn't exactly stopped the Blue Falcon from racing on the F-Zero stages, nor has it stopped retro Donkey Kong from appearing at the top of 75m, never mind that the Toon Link from Brawl is based on Wind Waker, not ST. Then there are those that simply cut him because he's another Link, and who needs two Links? Well, Sakurai apparently has...twice.

Could Toon Link be cut? Sure, it's possible. That said, I don't think he's the longshot others seem to think. Seems like a pretty strong contender to me!

Want - 100% - I mained him in Brawl, and while I have yet to carry over my main between Smash games, that sure won't stop me from trying if TL is still in SSB4.

Mewtwo Prediction - 78.5%
He's going to get a lot of high ratings from both sites. I'm not sure he'll see any serious detractors aside from the fact he's been cut before.

Nominations
5x Lucina

 

[Shorts]

However many extra I have, give them the Tharja.

 

[Neanderthal]

Toon Link

Prediction: This is an extremely hard one for me. I don't think it's clear at all how likely cuts like TL are, and this is made more complicated with plus's and minus's like the WWHD release and the Spirit Tracks stage.
You would think the re-release of Wind Waker would ensure he returns but it seems like Sakurai is preing us for alot of cuts. And Toon Link showing up on a stage makes it seem like he's going to be one of them.
For lack of better idea, I'll go with 60%.

Want: I've always hated clones of the same character. Hated Young Link and Dr Mario. However, Toon Link grew on me due to his unique art style amongst other things. So I'll give him a 65% for want.


Nominations:
Geno x 4
Mii x 1

 

[BlueDrago]

Toon Link
Likelihood: 65%. Toon Link is definitely still relevant to Smash, but he's gonna need a moveset overhaul before he makes the cut.
Want: 100%.

Mewtwo: 85%

Nominations:
Kamek x2
Eevee x2
Takamaru

 

[SmashShadow]

Tink: 60%
Sakurai in the past did state that it was important to keep both incarnations of Link in Smash and he does have the HD remake of WW to help his chance. Still, he did make the remark that he won't be able to bring back every character from smash. It's unknown if he just talking about melee or if he's talking about potential brawl cuts. All we know is that from Melee to Brawl, Sakurai left out several clone characters and that's why I feel he'd be one of if not the first to go. Add on to the fact that he was made part of a stage and it doesn't look overwhelmingly optimistic for him.

Want: 50%
I like Tink a lot personally but he will almost certainly stay a clone and we don't really need him as we have regular link. We don't need 2 character slots for the same character. Not to mention that there could be problems having both in the same storyline if there is one. I would rather him get cut than any distict characters like Lucas, Wolf etc... Lastly, if he's not in it prevents Toon Zelda and Toon Ganon from joining which I am extremely against for the same reasons listed above and roster diversity. But it probably would help Vaati which is really the only plus for me.

Predicting 87% for Mewtwo

3x Bowser Junior
2x Takamaru

 

[Sebz]

Toon Link ~ 75%

By this point, having a second Link has become a staple, and Toon Link is the best alternative. I did bring him down a notch due to the train stage, but I still think he'll make it in.

Want ~80%

Even if he remains a semi-clone I want him in. However I think the team has a chance to give him a moveset that's a bit more unique. Also, I think his inclusion raises the chances of Vaati making it in as well, so there's that!

Mewtwo ~90%

HIGHLY requested and making a comeback in both movie and game form. I never like giving 100%'s so 90% is the next best thing I can give him.

5xVaati

 

[Starbound]

Hmm, Toon Link...

I'll start by saying that he's definitely the easiest Nintendo character to cut, yet he's also one of the easiest to make unique (using the Hammer, Deku Leaf and whatever else you guys can come up with, cause I haven't been able to play WW). Or take it the extra mile and make Toon Link a combo of the "child" Links, opening doors from a lot more games to choose from.

Spirit Tracks stage may mean something, but it's possible that it means nothing. It's really no different than the DK on 75m, in my opinion. They look different enough to me that I wouldn't get them confused.

I do see him as a low priority character, probably the lowest Nintendo Veteran. So I do think he's at the mercy of time.

So uh, 65% for Toon Link.

Want: 50%
Would love if he was more unique, but he can leave if he's going to be a clone.

Predicting 92% for Mewtwo. Lots of fan demand and a lot of things are going in his favor now.

Nomz: 5x Bowser Jr.

 

[FalKoopa]

Toon Link:
Likelihood: 70%
A 2nd Link is a given at this point. The question is whether he will remain or get replaced by Young Link or Classic Link. I believe that Wind Waker HD will be his saving grace. Toon Link stands out much more than Young Link or Classic Link, making him a better choice. With SSB4's art style focusing less on realism and more on visual effects, he's fits it perfectly. He also represents a good number of Zelda games released in the past decade.

His clone status helps him from a technical standpoint, as Sakurai can simply port over the data from Link and change it accordingly. But this also means that he will be low priority again.

Want: 100%
So what if he's a clone? I'm a big fan of the "Toon" art style and he's one of my secondaries in Brawl. I personally want him to be decloned further, of course.

Mewtwo Prediction: 95%
There might be a few detractors, but I'm sure a good majority will give him scores n the high nineties.

Nominations: Lyn x 5

 

[EddyBearr]

Toon Link Likelihood: 95%. I don't think there's any reasonable chance he'll get cut, with him being 50% of the zelda franchise, him being on the Spirit Tracks Stage alongside Megaman and (I think) Mario, him fulfilling the "small link" role, WW being re-made, him being a veteran, him being easy to program in, and him being a "good replacement" for Young Link in Melee all benefit him greatly. I consider him a shoo in.

Toon Link Want: 90%, only because I would prefer Young Link w/ Masks or a Toon Link with more leg-based attacks.

Mewtwo Prediction: 90%. I think we all think he's guaranteed, but some folks think he's had his time.

Nominations:
Toon Zelda/Tetra x4
Rayman x1

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Toon Link:

Likelihood: 35% - He's the cloniest of clones, and he's basically the same character as Link but in an alternate universe. As far as I see it he's the first on the chopping block, and while I don't think the Spirit Tracks stage seals anything it kind of hints towards his fate.

Want: 20% - I don't really care about him, and he's the veteran that I'd find the easiest to let go of. I don't think we need more than one Link honestly.

Mewtwo Prediction: 85% - I personally find him to be a lock, but of course not everyone will.

 

[Homelessvagrant]

Likelihood: 50%
I think its safe to assume that The LOZ franchise will stay at 4 reps for the upcoming game. The issue then is that after the first three triforce users there really aren't any characters past the once overs or twice over that pack the punch for the fourth strike. I've been hearing about Gharihim but he seems to scream Smash4 midna to me as in he's a popular pick only because he's in the last zelda game. Then there is Toon Link. At one extent he is very relevant to the franchise as a symbol of the cel shaded Link style but that would be the same as saying 8-bit mario is as relevant to the mario series as his own identity. While true, the character is still just another representation of an already existing character ( well not quite the same person but you get the concept). Though one could easily retort that the last statement holds no weight due to the evidence presented in the last two games..

I think it all depends on Sakurai's vision for this game. He has already mentioned that he characters to feel more unique and that some character cuts would have to be made. The way I take it is that he will be looking at clones initially for removal, much like in melee. I've been thinking over this one for a while now and I've still not convinced on anything. It could go either way.

Want: 40%
I loved Toon Link in Brawl but what I loved about him was the shenanigans you could do with his physics. Naturally if he made it to Smash4 those would change so I don't feel inclined to be excited for him.

 

[Toxicroaker]

Toon Link: 75%
+he was in the last game
+he is very important to his series
+he is having a game remake in Wind Waker HD
-he was a stage element
-he is a clone

Want: 95%

Mewtwo: 71.49

 

[XenothiumX]

Toon Link likelihood: 15%

Toon Link Want: 50%

Mewtwo Prediction: 85%

Nominations:
Krystal (StarFox) x5

 

[TumblrFamous]

I have to agree completely with Toxicroaker and --- for Toon Link. Refer to those if you want to see what I feel about him.

Prediction-85%
Want- 100% (my second main in brawl)

Mewtwo: 87.5% (a lot of people want him in)

As for my nominations:
Bowser Jr. x5

 

[Sid-cada]

Toon Link

Likelihood - 85% - At this point, I consider at least a child Link to be mandatory. Of all the child Links, Toon Link is the most likely of them, seeing how he was a veteran, stands out more than the other child Links, and being hotly requested in Japan during the Brawl days.

Want - 95% - I don't want any cuts, but I would prefer it if he was de-cloned.


Think I'll skip prediction so someone else will get it.

Nominations:
Roy X4
Lucario X4
Bandanna Waddle Dee X2

 

[josh bones]

Likelihood: 90%- Sakurai thinks it's important to have two links.
Want: 50%- never cared for him

 

[BluePikmin11]

Toon Link Chance: 75% He'll need a revamped moveset.
Want: 80% I definitely loved him for his many attacks, especially D-Air.
Mewtwo Prediction: 85%

Nominations: x5 Little Mac.

 

[Keto]

Toon Link: 50%
Sakurai stated that the 3DS and Wii U versions would be "nearly identical", keyword nearly. Maybe he is cut from the 3DS version, but not from the Wii U version.

Want: 50%

Mewtwo: 65.7%

Sandbag x5

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Toon Link:
Likelihood: 70%
I don't think he's as likely to be cut as many are predicting. I don't even think him being a clone hurst him that much. However, if there were cuts from Brawl, he would be one of the first on the chopping block.
Want: 100%
Wind Waker is my favorite 3D Zelda and Toon Link is my Brawl/Project M main, so yeah I want him back.

Prediction for Mewtwo : 90%

Nominations:
Roy x3
Bandana Dee x2

Edit: has Marth been discussed yet or not? Or is he even up for nomination?

 

[OcarinaOfDoom]

Toon Link: Likelihood: 65% One of the most likely cuts from Brawl, but represents the DS games.
Want: 100% I don't want any cuts.

Mewtwo: 100%. Do I need to explain?

Edit: forgot nominations
2x Lyn
2x Lucas
1x Krystal

 

[FreshlyBakedCookies]

Toon Link:likelyhood:75%
want:100%
I really like Toon Link and I want him to stay

Mewtwo:95%
I want him back too

Nominations:
Krystal x3
Lucina x2

 

[@tomic]

Any chance you could put the results from the previous days in the OP? It'd be nice to have them all in one easily accessible place. Or are they already there and I'm just blind?

Toon Link Likelihood: 40% - His appearance as a stage element on the 3DS Spirit Tracks stage would certainly lead one to believe that he might not make it as a playable character. It wouldn't surprise me if Nintendo didn't follow that logic though. On the other hand, we do know some cuts will have to be made and as a clone I have to imagine Toon Link would be pretty close to the top of the list of characters to be cut.

Want: 20% - As long as regular Link isn't complete garbage this time around, I don't think I'll miss him too much if he gets cut.

Mewtwo: 79% - People will definitely be optimistic. If it was only Smashboards voting I'd put it higher, but Gamefaqs seems to generally vote lower and will probably bring it down.

 

[Erimir]

To all the people giving Mewtwo 100% for their prediction... you realize you're predicting what his average score will be tomorrow, right? Not giving what you think his chances are, but predicting what the boards think his chances are.

So there's no way he's getting 100% unless everybody rates him 100%. Which ain't gonna happen. 100% is the same as confirmed, and nobody who isn't one of the obvious retentions* from Brawl should be considered confirmed until Nintendo or a developer says they are, or they show up on the website/in gameplay footage/etc.

*obvious characters from Brawl meaning characters like Yoshi, Peach, Luigi, Zelda, Marth, etc. Even then, they're not 100%, but 99.999% might as well be rounded up to 100%.

 

[Deleted member]

Toon Link ~ 60%

I'll admit, Toon Link is a bit iffy when it comes to additions. Of the Nintendo Brawl veterans, he's the one who stands the greatest chance of being cut. Toon Link may run into some issues with not being unique enough and there's also the possibility that he may get replaced with another Child Link (which would be Classic Link). If any Brawl veterans were to get cut for reasons other than time constraints, it'd be Toon Link.

Even then, he still has a decent chance of returning. First thing to note is that there's pretty much no reason to not expect a child Link in the next game. Sakurai has mentioned that he considers having two Links to be important when adding Young Link and Toon Link continue to reinforce this. Even if Toon Link goes, he'll simply be replaced by another child Link. Another thing to note is that Sakurai did plan on adding Toon Zelda/Sheik to the game; meaning that Sakurai did intend on having more Celda characters in Brawl (a total of three, transformation included). It makes it kind of hard to believe that after one game that Sakurai would want to axe Toon Link from the game.

Also Spirit Track Link being revealed as a stage element means nothing for his chance. We have to remember that F-zero stages do have the Blue Falcon as part of the stage yet Captain Falcon always makes his way as a playable character. Toon Link may or may not return, but people weigh too much on the stage element argument.

Want ~ 60%

I enjoyed playing as Toon Link in Brawl and would like to see him further lugified but I have no attachment towards the character. He could leave and I wouldn't bat an eye. Still, it's preferable to seeing another Child Link that would be as cloney if not more so than Toon Link.

Mii x5

Mewtwo will get a 86.12%.

 

[Hippopotasauce]

Likelyhood - A good 20%. Given time constraints and resource management, I don't really think that he's going to be coming back. Of all characters of Brawl, he seems the least likely to be returning alongside Lucario.
Want - 14%. Just make Link better and there's no real need for a second Link.
Mewtwo's gonna be getting 89%.

Karate Joe x5 but mostly out of wishful thinking and no real expectations of him ever getting voted on.

 

[colder_than_ice]

Toon Link
Chance: 90% - He has a far bigger fallowing than classic Link.
Want: 39% - I strongly prefer adult Link.

Mewtwo Prediction: 89%

Nominations: Chrom x5.

 

[Knight Dude]

Toon Link's chances: 75% - He's still a pretty popular incarnation of the character. And Sakurai did mention something about having a younger Link being represented in some form or another. And if I had to be honest, I kinda feel that Toon Link is the best way to encompass that younger aspect. So I can see him staying in the series. There's only two thing that'll really get in his way of being added really. One being that another young incarnation of Link could be used. And the other being the more likely option. That he'll be a low priority character given his similarities, and could be left out either to time constraints or for a more objectively unique fighter.

Want: 30% - Chances are that he'll still be largely similar to his older counterpart. So I'm not too excited to see him. But I put 30% since he could still be the better of the two Links. Just as he was compared to Adult Link in Brawl. Or perhaps he'll become a bit more unique and represent certain aspects if his games that have not been utilized. Using stuff like the Skull hammer and the Deku Leaf.

Mewtwo will around 80%.

Again, I nominate Lil' Mac 5 times. I feel that he's one of the few big players left to talk about. Well, as far as newcomers go anyway.

 

[Lightosia]

Toon Link: 49% ~
Hmm, Sakurai implied that characters are going to be cut and I see Toon Link as one of the most likely to be cut.
Sakurai likes uniqueness in a character and Toon Link is a semi-clone and that Spirit Tracks Link might be a hint that they're removing him.

However his % chance isn't lower, because WW HD is coming and Sakurai likes two Links.


Also, Toon Link supporters, if it's guaranteed we won't have all Brawl characters, who would most likely be cut?

Want: 50% ~
It really depends on who would get in his place. Wind Waker is my favorite Zelda, but if he would maintain his moveset from Brawl I'd rather have another character.

Mewtwo Prediction - 87.2%

Still with the same nominations:
Lucas x2
Jigglypuff x2
Ike

 

[Deleted member]

Can people please stop saying that Sakurai said characters will be cut? He did not say that not every Brawl veteran will return, only that not everyone from the previous games will return; which include the five Melee cuts. They probably will happen, but they haven't been confirmed yet.

 

[Shadow312]

Toon Link - 40 %

Want - 0 % (1 Link is enough for me)

Mewtwo prediction - 90 %

Noms: Krystal x5

 

[TumblrFamous]

Can people please stop saying that Sakurai said characters will be cut? He did not say that not every Brawl veteran will return, only that not everyone from the previous games will return; which include the five Melee cuts. They probably will happen, but they haven't been confirmed yet.

And plus he said he's going to try his hardest not to resort to cutting characters.

 

[Groose]

Toon Link Chances: 33% "Spirit Tracks" Link is in the background of a stage; however, "Wind Waker/Phantom Hourglass" Link is not. While the Spirit Tracks stage cameo does hurt his chances, it does not automatically rule him out. What I think should concern Toon Link fans the most is the fact that not every Brawler will return---Toon Link's status as a last-minute Brawl edition and a semi-clone makes him one of the most likely cuts. Oh, and Young Link was seen in a game more recently than Toon Link, which may throw an admittedly minor wrench into his chances.

Toon Link Want: 33% Part of me wants to see my Brawl main return. He's just the character that fits my playstyle. Even so, I hate clones---I'd gladly take a more agile Link and a new Zelda character instead of ol' Toon Link.

Mewtwo Prediction: 70% Some people will bring up popularity polls, others will show the new Mewtwo form. Not much evidence to counter Mewtwo.

Nominate Tingle x5

 

[SirPainsalot]

Toon Link
Chance: 30%
I think the one shot he has is Wind Waker HD, otherwise I don't think he has much of a shot.
He is unique in being more light and agile than Link, however he doesn't have much else.
Want: 50%
He was one of my Brawl mains, I did like his playstyle, but I'm not crying if he is cut. I completely understand.

Mewtwo Prediction: 84%
He's a heavy favorite, and would be the perfect 2nd/3rd rep for Pokemon considering the new forme for Pokemon X/Y. He's once again relevant. Zoroark has no chance.

Nominate: Mr. G&W x2 Bowser Jr./Shadow Mario x3
We need more Game and Watch love, surprised no one nominated him yet.

 

[SmashShadow]

Nominate: Mr. G&W x2 Bowser Jr./Shadow Mario x3
We need more Game and Watch love, surprised no one nominated him yet.

No one is nominating G&W cause nobody thinks he's gonna get cut.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Man, I missed a lot.

Toon Link

Likeliness: 46%
I have a feeling he will be swapped out for a different version of Link. However, he does represent the Toon Zelda franchise so he could stay.

Want: 80%
I want him to stay.

Mewtwo
Prediction: 89%

Nomz:

Nightmare x2
Mach Rider x2
Toon Zelda