Rate my Sheik, 1st time vids, PART2!! new vids

[D4rk_Sh3ik]

Alright i took some of your comments and try to put them into my gameplay and i would like to get some more feedback and i wont discriminate against the comments.
these new vids are from the Bi-weekly with Forward in Mesa, AZ

OLD VIDS from a small tourney
Dark (Shiek) Vs Shiv (Fox) Rd 1: Google Video ---- YouTube (Good match)
Dark (Shiek) Vs Shiv (Fox) Rd 2: Google Video ---- YouTube
Dark (Shiek) Vs Shiv (Fox) Rd 3: Google Video ---- YouTube


NEW VIDS from bi-weekly

Butters (Fox) Vs Dark (Sheik) Rd 1---------- YouTube
Butters (Fox) Vs Dark (Sheik) Rd 2 --------- YouTube
Butters (Fox) Vs Dark (Sheik) Rd 3---------- YouTube

Omar (Sheik) Vs Dark (Sheik) Rd 1 --------- YouTube
Omar (Sheik) Vs Dark (Sheik) Rd 2 --------- YouTube

thank u for watching and please give me some feedback you guys can help me improve my game

 

[D4rk_Sh3ik]

aww come on guys... i cant believe i havent gotten any ratings yet, please rate me from 1-10 on what u think of my sheik please

 

[NeighborhoodP]

That Fox you played is bad. You really should've ***** him thoroughly, three stocking him. You have good enough movements, but you don't utilize your move set as well as you could.

-- Stop forward throwing. Sometimes you mess up the throw, but that should happen maybe once out of every ten matches. It happened two or three times per match

-- Stop jabbing when you see him crouch canceling everything. Instead, crouch cancel yourself and down smash.

-- DOWN. SMASH. MORE. I've watched your first two vids and you did it one time. Wtf? Downsmash > Fox

-- When Fox comes in at you, it's easy to own him by being defensive. Wavedash back and ftilt. Jump back and fair. Crouch cancel and down smash. Mix things and you will make his approaches tougher.

-- When he's above you and about to come down, jump up and nair him. You need to do this more often.

-- Stop rolling

-- Utilize needles more.

Right now your Sheik is basic. You need to learn her inside and out. You never even used dair, for example, or dash attack. It seems like you picked up advanced tactics recently and are only recently playing better competition and incorporating various things in your game.

 

[D4rk_Sh3ik]

lol dude u dont know what u are talking about, i base my sheik off omar and forwards sheik and they barely ever use down smash, and those forward throws i do are to throw them outta the stage and i edge guard them with needles if possible like i did it on one of the matches. and down smash is a newbie move for sheik players, if all u gotta do is down smash then u suck, if u miss on a down smash it will leave u open to attacks and can be deadly versing a fox, and that fox is actually very good he just kills himself a lot he was having an off day. and i use my needles often on other characters that dont move as fast as fox, and for dash attacking look at the 2nd video it really doesnt work well and it always ends up getting me hit its not a very useful move all the time if they block it. and for your rolling commet i kinda have to roll some times against fox when hes shining me if i dont he will just grab me, what do u want me to do?? but thats some major hate there neighborhood saying im basic sheik

dude i just saw your video on Youtube under your name and.... yeah..... down smashing really doesnt work cause u were getting owned and i did not see any "ultilizing of needles" very well compared to me. and u didnt roll enough so u got shined across the stage a few times and got comboed and same thing with your down smashing, it doesnt combo into anything so u couldnt even kill the fox. and that fox was pretty basic too compared to the fox i fought and u dont know this fox like i do. u have the most basic sheik ive seen some noob play and u have some bad mind games. *thinking of u downsmashing each move* you know that sheiks down smash isnt the only move she can do.

 

[NeighborhoodP]

lol dude u dont know what u are talking about, i base my sheik off omar and forwards sheik and they barely ever use down smash, and those forward throws i do are to throw them outta the stage and i edge guard them with needles if possible like i did it on one of the matches.

No one said spam downsmash, but when you're right near Fox and he's crouch canceling, downsmash is the best move to use. It ***** crouch canceling and Sheik's tilts don't do anything to Fox's CC.

And very rarely did your fthrow get them off the stage sufficient enough to properly edge guard. Your edge guarding also needs work.

and down smash is a newbie move for sheik players, if all u gotta do is down smash then u suck

lol @ twisting what I said. that's called a straw man argument.

if u miss on a down smash it will leave u open to attacks and can be deadly versing a fox

"No one said spam downsmash"

and i use my needles often on other characters that dont move as fast as fox

Hmm? I thought you said you base your Sheik off Omar -- I just saw Omar play this Saturday and he uses needles all the time vs Fox...

and for dash attacking look at the 2nd video it really doesnt work well and it always ends up getting me hit its not a very useful move all the time if they block it.

Just like down smash, no one is saying spam it. But there were a couple of openings you could've used it, and when Fox is around 80 percent, it's essentially an instant kill for him. And at lower percentages -- 40-50 percent -- you can link it into an usmash, which then links into a fair. It has its uses.

and for your rolling commet i kinda have to roll some times against fox when hes shining me if i dont he will just grab me, what do u want me to do??

Yeah, rolling has its place, but at times it felt like whenever Fox was too close to you it was a natural reaction -- in other words, a bad habit that good players will break for you.

but thats some major hate there neighborhood saying im basic sheik

lollerskates I wasn't trying to say your Sheik is horrible, but you def looked confused vs that fox. He was making so many mistakes and you failed multiple times on your edge guarding that should've resulted in ez kills.

dude i just saw your video on Youtube under your name and.... yeah..... down smashing really doesnt work cause u were getting owned and i did not see any "ultilizing of needles" very well compared to me. and u didnt roll enough so u got shined across the stage a few times and got comboed and same thing with your down smashing, it doesnt combo into anything so u couldnt even kill the fox. and that fox was pretty basic too compared to the fox i fought and u dont know this fox like i do. u have the most basic sheik ive seen some noob play and u have some bad mind games. *thinking of u downsmashing each move* you know that sheiks down smash isnt the only move she can do.

and um look at the date... what, two months ago? Your vid was posted yesterday... no johns, Luigi owned me back then, but he's also one of the best players in so cal, and i'm waaaay better now than I was then.

lol @ you getting all super defensive and trying to warp one piece of advice into "do this all the time."

edit: LMAO I love the idea of you getting so offended that you have to go randomly youtube to see if i have any videos up, lmfao

 

[Kashakunaki]

Wow, I'm sorry Neighborhood is such a **** critiquer.

You have a very good Shiek, Dark. Unfortunately, I'm just now picking up Shiek and am way too noob to offer any advice. Though, I'll say one thing. It seemed like you could throw in an occasional Dair to pop him up for a combo. That's all. Keep it up, Dark.

 

[D4rk_Sh3ik]

yeah i do forget about down airs some a lot of times, when the match is finally over i remembered i should have done that.

 

[cablepuff]

edit: hmm just defending neighboorhoodp about down smash and other possible throws does have its uses. ...


it beats out fox crouch cancel. way better than tilt.

you can edge guard with it , on fox's forward B. Read Plainrrk's guide on anti- fox's phantasm.

and one of the best anti-fox weapon .

in mid stage you have one of two options:

if fox is below 50 and his not at the edge... almost almost always down throw him.

after down throw it depends on what fox does.

if he doesn't do anything than down smash him or to be on safe side, wd back a little and down smash just in case he reflectors.

if he rolls away, run and dash attack cancel grab.

if he rolls back.. wait for the roll let him roll a little first than turn around and tech chase and grab.

you can also wd back just a little so that your out of fox's reflector range since I know I myself like to reflector on wakeup ...so my friend would wd back a little bit.. than when i reflector, run at me and down smash. ...


around 100 percent, you can up throw fox into

jab and regrab.
forward tilt -> forward or up -air.


Hope this help.

 

[tarheeljks]

Nice video, that combo to finish of f match 3 was nice. You should try not to roll so much, or at least not exclusively-- whether or not it was deliberate or reactionary. Shiv only made you pay for it once or twice, but a better player would have capitalized more. I understand your desire not to be "noobish" by spamming downsmashes, but he was leaving himself open to it, so why not punish him. Anyway, good video and good luck w/your Sheik.

 

[Ares726]

Round 1
Bad choice to fthrow at 0:49. Fox only had 55% at the start of the throw. That's not enough to send him off the edge if that's what you were trying to do. At 0:56 you jabbed against a crouch cancel. Down smash instead. If you think dsmash is a noob move, you're wrong. It's the perfect move to use in such a situation. Nice needle cancel->jab at 2:13. Nice dash->utilt->ftilt from 2:28 to 2:30. At 3:51 Fox crouch canceled again and again you jabbed. However, after a few jabs you down smashed and knocked him off the stage. Good job man. Overall a good match. You had some missed wavedashes, and you let Fox back on the stage a few times that you shouldn't have. You probably could've 2 stocked him but a win is a win.

Round 2
I think that the fthrow at 0:10 was a bad idea. You didn't follow it up with anything, and you could've with an uthrow or dthrow. Nice kill at 0:24; I'm glad you realized how effective needles are against Fox. At 1:11 the stage went to the Mountain Terrain. You went down in the "mine" area. Fox followed you. You tried to jab (bad idea). This is a dsmash spam opportunity for a free 50% damage at least. Even if they tech you can keep them down there for a little while. Missed edgehog at 1:34 that would've killed Fox; however, he came back and killed you instead. Twice. Very nice kill at 3:30. Okay match overall. Some more missed wavedashes and wavelands. You should've won that one, but whatever, it's cool. The Fox played better than the first match.

Round 3
Ha! Fox is so nice (0:26). Ha! Fox is so nice (1:03). Spot dodge to chain at 1:26? All I'm sayin for that one is "you used the chain". Ha! Fox is so nice (1:34). Nice use of "The Sheik Combo" from 3:01 to 3:03 (dtilt->ftilt->fair->ftw). Not even a match overall. Fox suicided three times. Gotta love the free kills.

Overall
More needles. They completely annihilate space animals. Same thing applies for the dsmash and ftilt. I didn't see you any of the three often enough. The needles are getting there but you really can't use too many. I wasn't very much reminded of Omar or Forward, but I don't study them. I play my Sheik, not someone else's. Good use of wavedash/land. I saw an occasional dashdance too. You've definitely got potential and you're doing a good job working good techniques into your game. Keep it up!

 

[maXXXpower]

Dark is the ****, son. His Sheik is modeled after Forward and Blood of the Fallen--MODELED!

Anyway, I'm glad that Dark doesn't D-Smash that much, or I'd lose a lot more often.

Like always man, it's a pleasure watching your Sheik. It's so shiny. Playing it on the other hand...

 

[NeighborhoodP]

Dark is the ****, son. His Sheik is modeled after Forward and Blood of the Fallen--MODELED!

LMAO, this post made me laugh so hard

 

[maXXXpower]

I promise you that Dark is awesome in person. However sloppy he is, he still comes up with the W. And that's all that matters.

 

[Ares726]

Dark is the ****, son. His Sheik is modeled after Forward and Blood of the Fallen--MODELED!

Anyway, I'm glad that Dark doesn't D-Smash that much, or I'd lose a lot more often.

Like always man, it's a pleasure watching your Sheik. It's so shiny. Playing it on the other hand...

I promise you that Dark is awesome in person. However sloppy he is, he still comes up with the W. And that's all that matters.

These posts made me laugh so hard.

 

[maXXXpower]

Thank you, sir. I try.

Getting one's point across as well as provoking a chuckle it a delicate art best shared with the public. So is porn.

 

[Sizzle]

Shiv's fox is very good and he was having a bad with SD's. Dark I like your Shiek but don't know how to critique it. Can't wait to play you more at AZone.

 

[The Mad Hatter]

Man your shiek looked pretty good. I can only offer one combo input. When facing a fast faller, I love to Dair to Usmash. I know they can DI and not get hit by the Usmash, but when they are low hit% they (depending on the person of course) dont seem to worry about DI. Also if you want to mix up the grab game when in the middle of the stage I recommend the Dthrow to Usmash. Fun stuff.

 

[D4rk_Sh3ik]

thx for some of those tips i will try and put them into my game some and thx for some of the good comments too!
but i was playing average there so it wasnt totally my best, but u can see from those videos like the technical skills and so, i do a lot of needles from the edge while in the air and land cancel them and fast fall into a f-air, but i could barely do them for some reason that day, kept screwing up, did it like one time on the last stage.

 

[maXXXpower]

Shiv's fox is very good and he was having a bad with SD's. Dark I like your Shiek but don't know how to critique it. Can't wait to play you more at AZone.

Shiv's Fox is the shiznat, but being too technically oriented may leave you with lots of SDs on a bad day. However when you're hot, you're Mr. Robato.

Dark, you're Sheik can do no wrong. Are you and Light available Thursday or Friday? The STB will be gathering at Vato's house both days. Maybe we can get Ebony and Ivory and Sizzle on the same day. Hmm. Yes.

 

[Declan]

Well you have the basic techniques down easy, but need to work on when do use certain moves. Like Fsmash, you are better off not using it because it has so much lag that a fast character like fox can easily punish you for it. Also in the last video I saw you pulled out the chain. This is never a good idea unless you are edge guarding space animals. There was a perfect opportunity to use it but you didn't. I will have to admit to often using needles instead which probably isn't as good but I usually already have needles ready or have already started storing them.

 

[maXXXpower]

Needles are good for edgeguarding everybody, but it works especially well on the Space Animals.

 

[NeighborhoodP]

Yeah, forgot about the forward smashing. No idea what was up with that.

 

[maXXXpower]

Let me defend Dark a little. I've played him a LOT lately and I can't remember the last time he F-Smashed me with his Sheik. His Falcon is a different story, though. He was probably high when playing that match.

 

[D4rk_Sh3ik]

lol yeah i pretty much never forward smash with my sheik, like i said i was off on that day, i dont know what i was thinking... but oh well i got as far as i thought i would have in the tourney, lost to omar and b-will close match with him too with my falcon vs his falco got him down to 1 stock both times and killed myself at a low percentage on the 2nd stage

 

[shiekfreak]

well i saw the first vid, not bad for both of you , nice shiek and nice fox, something I could say you didnt do , like i saw someone mention was the down smash, that defenetly helps, you grap good, but try to combine it with some tilts, and defenetly use more needles, the fox could do some work, IMO hes suppose to murder shiek, but keep up the good work guys. I have some vids of my shiek on youtube if you want to check them out, as well as I have a Shiek vs Fox, you can see what I do against foxes and it can maybe help you out. Good Luck

PS: in youtube my nick is rawguy

 

[Zombies!]

Hate to be repetative, but i'd say a little more dsmash and some more needles should do the trick. you need to charge them more, and when you're rolling, don't be as predictable. work on your aim a little with the fAir. other than that i'd say it wasn't bad. cut down the fsmash but you said you were having an offday so that's cool. everyone doesss

 

[Snow lizard]

Your style is very interesting, I liked the wavedashing and your grabs were well executed for the most part. I realize you think d-smashing is a noob thing to do but Fox left tons of openings for you to do it which could have been great for comboes. The needles on the other hand could be used simply to throw opponents off which is my primary use for them besides edge-guarding. I also noticed you used the f-smash quite a bit, but what I like to do is d-smash and follow up with the f-smash. Keep up the good work

 

[ReadySetGo]

Dark, just take everyone's advice and stop being so defensive and talking about how you were having an off day or whatever (no Johns, being good is about being consistantly good), you asked people to critique the videos you posted here and there is no point in posting them for critiquing if your just going to tell everyone they're wrong, or you already do that when your "playing good".


Anyway, I personally think you just have polishing up to do besides what people have already mentioned. Play Sheik more basically is what I'm saying. There are some circumstances you get yourself in where you use a certain move/throw (when you side throw a few times, and I noticed once when Fox was above you you tried to BAir him when it was clear the BAir would not hit whereas an UAir would have) where there is a clearly better move/throw that you could have used instead. Like I said though that comes with playing more and fully understanding the characters moves and such.


Anyway though nice Sheik keep at it.

 

[atly]

Your Sheik isn't bad at all. I say it first, because I fear you won't really read the rest of my post.

But you sometimes do important mistakes, as it was said before. I won't repeat once more what has already been said.
Anyway, if you want to progress, I _really_ think you should be more open and accept criticism.
Neighborhood said you had a 'basic Sheik'. But he also admitted you did some good things. Your reaction was actually really stupid. Insults, ad hominem arguments (well, these aren't really arguments), etc. The idea you could be so frustrated to be designated as 'basic' that you looked on Youtube to criticize how he plays (btw, you can play badly and know how to play, critisizing his playstyle won't make yours better) is quite funny. And deforming what he said won't help you progressing either.
His advice was to use down smash more. "w00t u must be a noob to think you can spam dsmashes, it leaves you open, noob" (besides, you did lots of moves that let you open, so that's not really an excuse) is what I remember of your post, SMS style excluded.

And that advice was quite relevant. Plus, everyone here said the same.

Well, I guess you got particularly frustrated by the 'basic' term (since you used it four times in your post "but thats some major hate there neighborhood saying im basic sheik", "the fox you fought was even more basic", ...), so I'll forget that.


Another thing: you posted that topic, asking for advices. So you submitted yourself to the opinion of other members. That means :
1° You don't have to insult those who spend their time answering you.
2° You should listen to the advices (and even more when they are relevant) you asked for, not saying they are noobish moves. Well, I guess that is the point of the topic, isn't it?
3° Don't praise yourself. Learn from your mistakes, from advices. From your point of view, you _don't need_ advices, because in fact you're just excellent, and all the mistakes we spot are due to the fact that it was not your best day. How do you want to progress if you stay in that POV ? So stop saying that and learn to listen to others.


As I said before, you have potential, and you're actually pretty good. But learn to admit that you're not always right, and stop refuting everything we say.
You'll never be a really good player if you don't.


In fact, I think that when you posted your topic you just wanted to be complimented. Well, it seems obvious to me when I read that thread...


Anyway, keep up the good work. I've seen some good technical things in the videos.

Best regards,
atly.

PS : Btw, I'm not a native speaker. In fact, I'm far from being billingual, since I'm studying english for only a couple of years.

Edit: Well, I know I'm a bit late (I didn't realize the topic was quite outdated.. Not used to use english date format.), but it doesn't change what I'm thinking about it.

 

[NitH]

play to win dark... your sheik is very nice man, i was gonna post a rate my sheik thread but, im not as good as you so i would get torn up and spit out.


keep your chin up

 

[atly]

play to win dark... your sheik is very nice man, i was gonna post a rate my sheik thread but, im not as good as you so i would get torn up and spit out.


keep your chin up

Well, I don't think so. I mean you shouldn't post a thread to be rated, but to be adviced if you need to be.

We're not here to torn you up, just to help you improve your skill. You've got the right not to be the best player in the world, you know.

I (and I'm probably not the only one) just can't stand those who post a thread and say 'rate me', then insult all those who don't say he is perfect. That's all.

 

[D4rk_Sh3ik]

i have taken some of the things you guys have said, and i will add a few more vids of me to see if u think i have progressed any since these last ones.
i have recent vids of me versing Omar (BloodoftheFallen) and Butters from AZ also, some of the top players in AZ. i will get them uploaded as soon as my friend posts them.
so wait a little before posting some comments till the new ones are uploaded

 

[D4rk_Sh3ik]

sorry for double post.
this is for the updated new vids, please tell me what u guys think and some comments on to improve my gameplay, and what moves i should keep from my old vids or what should i take out of my moves on the new vids.

 

[Henry "Indiana" Jones Jr.]

i watched omar vs dark. and the song was so ********. "your attentiona please.....please yell if you are paying attention" was the stupidest thing i've heard all week.

 

[D4rk_Sh3ik]

lol sorry man, i didnt make the vids, just a smash buddy made all the vids from the bi-weekly and his first time putting music into some of the fights.
if u wanna see the vids from the bi-weekly go to the 1vs1 vid section

 

[Henry "Indiana" Jones Jr.]

vids of shieks dont really matter much, imo. its not really a technical character and the best person i saw you playing up there is omar and i dont know much about him. if you put vids of you agaisnt better people, then ill watch.

 

[D4rk_Sh3ik]

u must not know omar very well then, he has one of the best sheiks around, he and DSF have a grudge against each other. but w/e if u dont know him thats cool, but hes good.

 

[Henry "Indiana" Jones Jr.]

u must not know omar very well then, he has one of the best sheiks around, he and DSF have a grudge against each other. but w/e if u dont know him thats cool, but hes good.

oh i rem ya hes pretty good. but i still gotta say, shiek dittos are a WHOLE different game. if u put up vids of like u vs space animals or other chars that are played by good people then youd win me over.

 

[stalfos]

I dare not to critizise as I don't wanna get flamed o.o

 

[ReadySetGo]

When Fox UThrows you and you know he is going to chase with an UAir (which he almos always does), you need to DI the throw in one direction (left or right) and then when you see Fox about to throw out the UAir, DI the OPPOSITE direction you started DIing. What this does it puts you in a tough to hit postition with the first DI (if its good and if you are a decent percent), then the second DI helps you avoid the part of the UAir that kills (or the "sweetspot" of it). You need to have the timing down on it, but once you get it, it is one less the Fox can kill you with and rely on.


Thats all I have for you now, good luck with your Sheik.