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Circus im sad you died before i subbed in cuz once you got past armchair phase your posts were cool to read
ruy i dont fully know your meta but i think instead of throwing out gut/meta reads itd benefit you more to learn when to use them, of course that's easy for me to say but more difficult in practice
I appreciate you saying that. My play was trashgarbage this game though. Was completely on the wrong track D1, started smelling something fishy on No Het D2 but couldn't commit the time to the game and then just got ****ed outta there. Never wised up on Badwolf (though I wasn't really following the thread closely around the time of his lynch) and probably would have taken just as long to as you guys did to get Fanny. Might have never gotten Kanty.
You're good and fun to read; you should stick around.
ruy i dont fully know your meta but i think instead of throwing out gut/meta reads itd benefit you more to learn when to use them, of course that's easy for me to say but more difficult in practice
While I don't crutch them all the time, and they were supplemented by reading intent, meta aided me SIGNIFICANTLY in reading Joey, Ruy, Bardull, and Kantrip. That allowed me to grab 3 solid town-reads that were correct, and I died with my arms around Kantrip's throat.
Played too much on connections and too little on content. I guess that's what happens when you take the passenger's seat in a hydra though I'm generally not a good hydra player.
This game feels like a town win to me and it should have been a town win, considering we've lynched 3 mafiosi but only 2 townies. Kantrip was virtually only kept around because it was obvious he wasn't a mafioso. Had the game not ended after the [correct!] lynch of Fanny, Kantrip surely would've been next to bite the dust though because everybody knew that if there was an indie around it would have to be him.
Speaking of indies, I still don't agree with marshy's and Gorf's sentiment on them - it just takes some good balancing and set-up creation to get it right. It's beyond me though why some people think it's good enough to randomly slap an SK into their setup just for the sake of having an indie. That's stupid as **** because SK is like the hardest role to implement into a balanced game. Keep your hands off SK unless you know how to balance it right [most people do NOT know how to balance it right].
I even made a thread on roles that are hard and easy to balance to help out mods. Everybody who wants to host mafia games should take a look at it!
TCG achievements for this game are scrapped because it was never officially approved by a dGames mod and wouldn't have happened this way had a mod seen the setup. It's not legit.
theres a lot of commotion over the sk victory and how town shouldve won cuz they mislynched twice. im going to point out that theres 2 schools of thought regarding indies with mutually exclusive win conditions. the first is that that they should have the same chance of winning the game as all other factions. the latter is that they should have a minimal chance of winning. from what ive seen (and i only skimmed this game even while i was in it. i literally made 1 post so **** anyone who wanted nh for "herp marshy tells" btw) this seems to apply to the former. the recent fire and lightning had a similar outcome and is generally agreed to be balanced but when it happens in a closed game everyone wants to flip a ****. i dont get it
Speaking of indies, I still don't agree with marshy's and Gorf's sentiment on them - it just takes some good balancing and set-up creation to get it right. It's beyond me though why some people think it's good enough to randomly slap an SK into their setup just for the sake of having an indie. That's stupid as **** because SK is like the hardest role to implement into a balanced game. Keep your hands off SK unless you know how to balance it right [most people do NOT know how to balance it right].
generally i feel indies fare better in larger set-ups, where it is easier to pack the power of an entire faction into one role without shifting balance too hard. it also decreases the odds of them getting randed, though that's only in theory
I appreciate you saying that. My play was trashgarbage this game though. Was completely on the wrong track D1, started smelling something fishy on No Het D2 but couldn't commit the time to the game and then just got ****ed outta there. Never wised up on Badwolf (though I wasn't really following the thread closely around the time of his lynch) and probably would have taken just as long to as you guys did to get Fanny. Might have never gotten Kanty.
You're good and fun to read; you should stick around.
As the townies did their stuff, they noticed some blood on their hosts hands
(Fandagox), Moriarty, the Morally Questionable Politician (Mafia Goon), Province of Ontario
had been lynched.
But then **** got real, too real and (J) ,Harvy the Hard Drinker (Province of Newfoundland Labrador) and (Ashemuu) , Yvon of the Yukon (Yukon Territory),Territory of the Yukon were slashed based and mashed with kinives as
(Nabe), The Crazy French Swine (Province of Quebec), Independent Serial Killer end gamed town and has won!!
Thanks, everyone. It's much appreciated. Gotta say, I love this result. Makes being Canadian all these years finally worth it.
@Shun Goku Satsu Rake
sorry for insinuating that we ever talk about politics or anything intelligent. Do you really think I'm from Quebec? And I need to see the role PMs, stat.
If a single mafia member had been left against three townies, an NL improves the odds, and with two killers NL leading to a shootout was the only road to a town win. Why did no one discuss a No Lynch? A tracker should make you consider the presence of an indy, but two kills in one Night should have been a notable event, yet in practice it was forgotten or shunted to the side in. J in particular, it seemed like you got your anger up at Fand and couldn't think objectively, and all Kantrip had to do was wiggle the ends of his strings and utter a single, blood-drenched teehee.
GJ @Kantrip
with the NH hammer (and game in general). It didn't ever occur to me that you were any flavour of scum, and consequently I didn't expect the hammer. You are a scholar and a gentleman, with a fine, discerning taste and a full-bodied finish.
@Fandangox , you did good. In tight endgames like this one, you have to make a wager and assume you'll win that wager in order to stay ahead. In this case, I'd have wagered that the SK would shoot the claimed tracker, and tried to either shoot your SK hunch, or whichever townie hated you more to force a public Prisoner's Dilemma. When you posted, it was pretty good, but just try to be a bit more decisive in general, because I think your lack of presence is what dissolved the strong town standing you built up.
@Ashemu
, I love your play. You bring a refreshing new perspective to our forum, and you seem to be extremely good with establishing connections on reread. Also you have a propensity for sexy avatars the likes of which only I (not right now) can match. We should bang, by which I mostly mean play in the same game together while our playerslots are both still alive.
My only regret is that I had Kantrip's role pinned as "Evil French Quebec SK" on Rake Flavor Logic Bull**** alone coming in after the double-kill... and then dismissed it based on "real" logic about Kantrip's actual play and miller claim not meshing with an indy who should have been already "clear" of the cop. The crux of the miscalculation though:
I was a compulsive serial killer (had to send in a kill every Night or it would be randomized), and I had a choice between
a) showing "not mafia" to investigations
or
b) 1-shop bulletproof
I decided to take the BP since I planned on being a target and then used the information that there was a cop and that I would show guilty to set up my miller claim
Welcome. Friday Townie, you are: Coleson, The Canadian Horse Riding Bad-Ass Stoner Mountie(Province of British Columbia), Town Tracker http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owGykVbfgUE
Your ride a bloody horse everywhere, and you just don't care, you wear a sexy read uniform and a big hat.
as the old saying goes, if a guy has a big hat...
Your always on the lookout. FOR JUSTICE . You are the original canadain police and you'll be damned if you'll let crime take over canada.
Your usually a peaceful guy, but when crap hits the fan , you and your horse wade right into it, you were trained by wrestling bears and eating nothing but seal blubber.
You like to get stoned, somehow this improves your police skills, you once confiscated 12 pounds of weed just to smoke it with your friends.
You and your asian friends often get together to smoke weed , play video games and pay too much for your home and homeowners tax.
Abilities:
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Each night, you can send me the command: Track: Player Name , you and your horse will then go into stealth mode and follow the person wherever they may go to whoever they go to.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Your ability , your voice and your vote are all you have to combat the evil of canada.
Badwulf
Welcome, Badwolf you are: Tina, The Shiesty White North(Territory of Nunavut), Mafia Goon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aga1BOSu7yY
http://collegecandy.files.wordpress.com//2009/03/10/funny-pictures-bear-orders-an-******-pie.jpg
Your wintery grasp knows no equal, you've been known to freeze a man at 40 paces. And with 6 months of winter, it's safe to say your homicidal rage extends pretty much wherever you please. You grew up trained in deadly unnameable arts by a pack of wolves, and are now able to kill a moose with your bare hands.
Your not sure how much of the hair on you is yours, or the animals you have slain. For a good time you club baby seals and try to made side deals with americato run pipelines through the wilderness, your a real scumbag. But, you have some scumbag allies you can chat with here : http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/5RYiWEuDRbRQe
You want canada for all sorts of evil that i can't even begin to describe due to lack of inspiration.
Abilities:
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Every night your team can send me the command Kill: PlayerName , i will then find that players adress and murder their face in. And they'll be outta the game.
Safe Claim:
Tina, The Great frozen North (Territory of Nunavut), Vanilla Townie
You win when you have voting parity / majority.
Blindfolded Philosophers
Welcome Blindfolded Philosophers you are: Henry, Hillbilly Gangster Farmer Saskatchawan(Province of Saskatchwawan) ,Vanilla Townie.
You are saskatchewan, your flat as hell and twice as boring. You have wheat FOR DAYS . Your wife left you and you had to watch her walking away for the next week.
You are a farmer and proud of it, you drive a tractor to work and formal wear is considered clean overalls. Your 70% sure your married to a relative and 100% sure you don't care anyway.
Those long canadian summers have really gottent to you and your mental stability is questionable at times.
Your voice an your vote are your only power, lets see if you can't make the rest of canada apprreciate the praries.
You win when all threats to your faction are eliminated.
Bardull:
Welcome, Bardull, you are: Kristoff, The Constantly In Danger Of Being Carjacked or Stabbed (Province of Manitoba), Town Adrenaline Cop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iORpLPmFfHU
Your da po po, da fuz, and hell your a badass. Ere'day you almost getting stabbed, and if you ain't gettign stabbed someones' tryin ta jack yo ride. But that **** don't bother you none.
You thought they were kidding when they said initiation as a cop was to go through your first stabbing...oh how wrong you were. You run on Tim Hortons,
Slurpee's, and ADRENALINE. Your a non stop , chase em through a snowstorm in downtown 'Peg till you legs go numb kinda cop. Your the kind of cop who's ived in Stabitoba for his whole life,
you rock t-shirts in -40 like your the human torch, and yeah, you stabbed a perp once WITH YOUR FROZEN FIST. If you aint' got action in your life 24/7, you ain't livin' eh ?
Abilities:
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One Night, you may send me the command : Investigate: Player Name , you will be told if they are mafia or not mafia.
But hey, remember how your so strung up on adernaline ? Well i got good news for you ya junkie, if you get a guilty the night you send this in, you get another investigate, to use on another Night.
But this only happens one time, or else you'll burn out before the baddies get caught.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Your ability , your voice and your vote are your powers,use them wisely.
Joey:
Welcome -Masquerain- ,you are Yvon of the The Yukon(Yukon territory ), Vanilla Townie.
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You hunt polar bears with your bear hands and live in a snow castle. Your only friend is the snowman you made...5 years ago.
Every 6 months you leave your two story snow snow mansion to bulk up on food and try to constrcut an oilpipe.
You love the snow and have been known to share steamy nights in it with your wife and by yourself(we all know snow is very suportive
Your voice and your vote are your power, hopefully you yell loud enough to be hear over all those damn penguins.
You win when all threats to your faction are eliminated.
Pawndidater:
Welcome, Pawndidater, you are: Raziek, The God Damn Maritimer,(Province of Nova Scotia), Vanilla Townie.
Being a maritimer on a island your quite secluded and this has soorly effected your ability to rationilize many many things.
Your a bit of a racist , and your proud of it (even though you don't know what that is). Fishing is your job, your hobby, your day, your night, and sometimes during the winter your lover. You smell of the sea and have that certain maritime saltiness that everyone can appreciate.You have at least 5 friends and this makes you the most popular person in town, your know canada wide as: that place were we get fish from.
You fished up so many crutaceans you yourself have gotten a little crabby
Your voice and your vote are your only power , thankfully you've had practice shouting over the waves.
You win when all threats to your faction are eliminated.
Oh man, do you like to drink, and drink and drink. You swim in alcohol and are sturdy enough to drive your boat after.
Your greedy, you fished up all the cod and now have to rely on psuedo-science like Genentically modified fish.
Your also lazy as hell at eat welfare almost as much as you drink, there hasn't been one paycheck
yet that hasn't half disappeared after a friday night, or gone to pay off your tab.
One time, you made love to alcohol, your not sure how you did it , and your not sure if you want to know how, but it happened,
your friends showed you the pictures after all.
Your voice and your vote are your only power, hopefully you aren't to wasted to use them.
Just kidding, you have one ability: Go Drinking : Once a night, you can choose to go drinking , this won't effect you in the game and is here purely for my amusement.
The next day phase you must make at least one post in such a manner to suggest you are either still drunk or hungover
Your the wild untamed part of canada, the open spaces and the cold winter nights, you don't usually hunt baby seals, but when you do it's to store up on fat
for 6 months of winter. You ride a polar bear to work whenever your giving your sled dogs a rest and have sometimes been known to not bathe or shower for months.
The vast majority of your population is animals and if this were a disney movie they'd be all up in your grill.
You have some of the cruddiest weather , but there is a natural beuty about you which the rest of canada loves.
You also make a great computer desktop background.
Your voice and your vote are your only powers(although i guess smoke signal might be more accurate).
You win when all threats to your faction are eliminated.
Your quite the shady politician, you've been known to cut side deals with U.S ambassadors for secret oil-line projects, take bribes and who knows what else.
Your pension is ridiculous , taxpayers contribute over 50% to it and all you have to do is come out every couple of years and make grandois promises.
Your pretty sure you've followed through , but you can't remember after all the drug absue and sexual infidelities. The papers have a weekly column
dedicated to your latest blunders and by god your not going to let them down now. You are insprired by George Bush's work and aim to win the election for
Prime Minister and run canada the same way. Your pretty sure toronto is the only "city" in canada and the Ottawa Senators don't win Stanely Cups because they want to give other teams a chance.
You run your cabinet based off advice from voices in your head and hey, you've only run up a defecit of $1,000,000 so far. You've got friends in low places
Feel free to chat with them here: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/5RYiWEuDRbRQe
Abilities:
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Every night, your team can send me the command Kill: PlayerName , i will then find that players adress and murder their face in. And they'll be outta the game.
Safe Claim:
Fredric, The Friendly Neighbourhood Politician(Province of Ontario), Vanilla Townie
Your an island, if you could swim, you'd be outta there faster then John Travolta to a gay bar. You supply canada with some dem fishes and if your not a fisherman, your teaching people how to fish, during your mid life crisis, instead of buying a ferrari you bought a steam liner and tried to become a proffessional trout fisherman.
You constantly leach off welfare and are probably the laziest province.
In your spare time you like to eat 3 lbs of bacon then go on tandem bike rides with three people.
You know at least 5 captains and have yourself been a captain.
Your mildly attracted to your daughter and find this to be 100% normal.
Your sexual frivolities and oddities make for constant laughs, and if it weren't so cold out you'd probably walk around with a hard on.
Your voice and your vote are your only power, maybe if you yell loud enough, you can get more welfare.
Just kidding , you have one ability:
Sexy Times: once per night phase you may send me the command: Sexy Times: Player Name
you will then proceed to make sweet love to this player. This power effects nothing and does nothing and is here purely for my amusement.
They will recieve no notification of this. (probably the drugs you gave them)
You win when all threats to your faction are eliminated.
Raziek:
Welcome, Raziek, you are: Terrance, The Hardcore Fisherman We all know with the Crazy Sea Tales, (Province of New Bruswick), Town Jailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj0Rz-uP4Mk
Of all the maritimers, you're the one people actually like(i know it sounds impossible, but it's true, one of the maritimers is actually liked ).
You are super serious, and you barely drink(anymore) , although you do enjoy a good scotch, it never goes to your head though, you like your jobtoo much for that. You win all the bets you make, and you pull down the cash, not like your lazy neighbours who live off welfare.
You dance well for a white guy, and you love your family. All around a real canadian man.
Abilities:
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Each night you can send me the command Jail: Player Name that person will be jailed that night, meaning they are roleblocked and protected from any harmful actions / any actions they may make.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Your ability , your voice and your vote are your powers use them wisely.
Your the wordsmith, the silver tongued, black hearted devil that keeps **** in order fer yer scumbag friends. When one of em sleeps with under-age russians spies, your there with the cement blocks and duffle bags. You hide their foreign money, their multiple mistresses, hell without you they'd barely last a day.
And you know it; Your secretary has to deliver your bils in file folders, you got piles o' money, you own half of Saskatchawan under an a assumed name.
There is nothing you won't do for a price, you got your bar qualification from Cuba, but you'll be damned if that'll stop you from protecting your clients.
Worst yet, your the texan of Canada , you wear ten gallon hats to EVERY occasion, you got a country accent a mile wide, like you belt size.
Your one to think that no meal is finished without gravy, and your so greasy your producing some of your own.
Once a night, you may choose one of your fellow mafiats to Defend, this player will appear innocent to cop investigations for the night. You cannot defend yourself.
Safe Claim:
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Tim, The Rootinst Tootinst Lawyer(Province of Alberta), Vanilla Townie
You win when you have voting parity / majority.
KWK:
Welcome, Kreative Whiz Kids, you are: Nabe, the Crazy French Swine, (Province of Quebec), Independant Serial Killer
Your that one guy who is a stereotypical french asshole. You look down on english people (and french people from france), you insist on correcting people's pronounciation and thoroughly enjoy the line : "You filthy english swine". All you care about is getting independance from the rest of these provincial ****s,and you'll do anything to get it. (And by anything, i mean kill your way to it). You love poutine, hairy armpits and oral loving from the ladies, and when you win your hairy
french maid has a nice surprise for you waiting.
IMPORTANT NOTE : You are COMPULSIVE, meaning you must shoot NIGHTLY, if you fail to send the action, it shall resolve RANDOMLY as opposed to the stated non action in the RULES
Abilities:
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Kill :
Once a night, you may send me the command Kill : PlayerName . They will die a terrible terrible french death
Independance Power
Before the game starts (i.e NOW when you confirm), you can chose to either have a one-shot Bullet-proof, or the ability to show as "not mafia" upon investigation.
Safe Claim:
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Franky, The Friendly French Poutine Salesman(Province of Quebec), Vanilla Townie
You win when your the last province standing or nothing can prevent this.
