Rake's Canadafia Over!! Nabe won through the power of Poutine

[Ashemu]

generally if they can frame town the mod calls it a tailor

 

[Ashemu]

unless this is a weird site meta thing, but i know ms uses framer for framing town, lawyer for godfatherizing scum and tailor for both and teh sites ive played on be4 all do the same

what mini-exploison are you referring to

 

[Kantrip]

yeah a mixture of raz's roleblocks/protects would have really narrowed this down for us

assuming both the SK and mafia are trackable, ruy's results at least help us come to the conclusion that ash is town

from there we can't know for sure that his N1 or N2 targets weren't blocked by raz in some way

I can see Rake throwing in the gag ability J described, and him claiming it like that after ruy said he didn't do anything N1 is a townie move in my eyes. No reason to throw doubt at himself by claiming something that could contradict ruy's results

And then there's Ruy himself whom I still believe is town.

Yup for like the third time I've come to the conclusion that it's between fanny and BP

I'm comfortable to end the Day whenever

 

[#HBC | J]

These posts mainly.

Before:

That's it? What about his #205 Where he votes KWK despite seeming to dislike Gorf more and his stance on KWK being mostly null.

@BadWolf28738 What do you think of Gorf's D2 play? What do you think of J's play?



I have scum leans on Frito, Badwolf and minor one on Raz.

Like I said before Frito's wall against Circus seems reach-y to me, and its only valid point is that Circus didn't vote Bardull despite that seeming to be his intent.

Badwolf's push on KWK doesn't seem genuine to me. Most of his #205 where he votes KWK seems to focus on Gorf and when he quotes KWK on his suspicion of me he says that its "the right target, but the wrong reasons" Yet doesn't explain why he finds me scummy, or elaborates on why he thinks his reasons are wrong.

Raz is a minor scum lean, because of that F&L2 question. He asked us about Gorf's F&L2 play and was active while we responded and hasn't followed up on that yet, that question seems bad to me cause he suspects Gorf on his play being similar to F&L2 where he was scum, yet the two situations were different, not fair to compare at all and like I said before Gorf's alignment in that game had little to do with the specific logic Raz is talking about.

Your townread on Badwolf seems slightly suspicious to me, cause its entirely meta, and I'd look at your slot again if Badwolf is scum.

Vote: Badwolf

After:

Did you really just list his "creative" shtick as a reason to vote him?

Your points 2 and 5 are the same thing, care to elaborate on why you thought it was bad reasoning? Yes I think its important.

What about Gorf D2 makes you like him better than in D1?

Looks logical and concise to what was going on.

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm okay with ending the day as well once Fanny claims and the like.

P.S. I think I've figured out what he is to claim.

 

[Ashemu]

i can see fanny sk, it would explain the under-the-radar half-pushes that bug me while justifying his interactions w/ scum, essentially allowing me to be right despite being wrong which is very cool IMO

 

[Ashemu]

i dont see how taht cant be manufactured tbh. ive seen scum fake-explode at eachother a lot worse before

 

[Kantrip]

actually you know what yeah fanny SK and BP scum does make more sense

BP was on the wrong side of 2 lynches

fanny has been lying low and not showing any initiative to interact with people or scumhunt

i can dig it

which would we rather oust first though?

 

[#HBC | J]

Haha, I have as well. It's just I do not believe Fanny+BW = scum-team. Scum seperately? Yes.

So @ Kantrip and @ Ashemu , we settled on a BP lynch it seems? @ #HBC | Red Ryu which way are you leaning?

 

[#HBC | J]

Definitely finish off the scum-team 100%.

Then deal with the indy. To be honest, there was no reason for the vig to shoot last night if there was a vig so I highly doubt I would believe the claim anyways.

 

[Ashemu]

i feel more comfortable lynching BP first yea. at this point i think js probably right about fanny and im just tunneling cuz im teh cutest & my cases have 2 be right

##Unvote
##Vote: Blindfolded Philosophers

big missed opportunity from rake not handpicking bp as the oil tycoon imho

 

[#HBC | J]

I'll hammer/vote when I have gotten what I've wanted. Having them at L-2 would be nice. I believe Ashy is the only one to vote this Day-phase so that puts them at L-3.

 

[Kantrip]

vote: blindfolded philosophers

 

[Ashemu]

im thinking circus was a sk kill, meaning raz would have jailed scum n2

has anybody scanned raz's posts for target crumbs? i didnt really find anything on d3

 

[#HBC | J]

I do not think Raz really made any indications to whether he blocked scum or saved town. Jailer is a weird role like that. (my favorite safe-claim as Mafia RB haha) I got no impression he did as such but I can do a quick cursory scan throughout posts. Tbh, Raz didn't have the best of reads this game. He saved Soup by lynch D1 but then kind of sat in the background D2-D3. Doubt much would come out of it.

Regardless, to speak ill of the dead is in bad-taste. He was really obv-town.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I wants fans claims.

But us lynching BP I am a-ok with.

Dunno about SKer Fand but BP as the last scum makes a lot of sense.

 

[Fandangox]

@ Fandangox

Where are you?

Sorry have been really busy recently.

Ah **** it, everyone was asked and no one claim.

I'm a mounty, guy on a horse, town tracker.

J went no where n1
BP went no where n2
Ash went no where m3.

Unless Ash is a mafia ninja he is probs town.

Dunno about the rest with a flipped jailer though.

If this is true then Ash is basically cleared from being either the SK or the last scum.

although, i dont want 2 be the ~meta gal~ but if this is how fanny usually treats his pushes the case would probably lose a lot of credibility, however i have never playe dw/ him before. i do think bp has some seriously sleazy **** going on so i may switch depending on how they answer

I tend to focus on one slot when I am pretty much convinced they are scum. Gorf, Sprite, and Marshy thought I was scum in F&L2 cause I spent the entirety of D2 trying to get Raz capped to the extend that I didn't even make a vote in that phase.

I am Fredric, The Friendly Neighbourhood Politician VT from Ontario.

If RR is really a tracker this narrows it down to J and BP. Unless Joey/Ash is a ninja, which I don't think it makes thematic sense for this set up, but that'd be a dumb reason to dismiss it. Never had a game with a Ninja, so not sure how it'd balance out in this set up.

I think J may be the last scum, and BP the SK.

J's hardcore defense on Badwolf which he kept justifying on meta/emotions when I asked him about it its probably a bigger point against him than BP being on the opposite of the scum wagons on D2, and D3.

Vote: J

 

[#HBC | J]

Explain your role please.

 

[Kantrip]

he said hes a VT

also there we go, there's ontario

idk why rake made nabe quebec

 

[#HBC | J]

Oh I say politician and I know that's an actual role in itself.

 

[#HBC | J]

Also Fanny is your point "probably" a bigger point or "actually" a bigger point. Pick a side, bro.

 

[Fandangox]

Also Fanny is your point "probably" a bigger point or "actually" a bigger point. Pick a side, bro.

Its just semantics the meaning of my post its obvious, I am not 100% sure on you being scum but its basically 50/50 between you and BP and BP's biggest fault is that he happened to be on the opposite side of the scum wagons, but the way they treated Frito/Potassium seemed natural to me and not trying to block the scum wagons, I didn't even notice that until Ash pointed it out. It didn't really stick to me, but I am gonna have to do a re-read on that to be sure.

 

[Ashemu]

if u tend to focus on one slot when you think theyre scum, where was your focus d3? you p much took a back seat there then complained when nobody wanted to vote j or me

 

[Fandangox]

if u tend to focus on one slot when you think theyre scum, where was your focus d3? you p much took a back seat there then complained when nobody wanted to vote j or me

I said that I do that when I am pretty much convinced, D3 I still wasn't completely sure between your slot, J's or NH's. I decided on NH cause out of the three he was the most likely lynch that phase and he kept dodging my question of why he didn't vote Badwolf D2 and when he answered it was a non-answer as he just said it was because Marshy was against it, but didn't say why.

Also I didn't complain lol, I just remarked it wasn't happening that phase.

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm game for more discussion with Fanny since we have time before deadline and things.

I still have no immediate idea when Fanny has a scum-read on me besides my defense of BW. Where's the connections? Where the comments on my individual play? If you want me lynched, build a case or something. Don't just throw a vote on my slot and say "Eh, 50/50 chance, I'll go with this one." You have been holding me at arm's reach nearly all game, yet you have not commented on me hardly ever besides your constant gripe from D2 and that's all. It's a tunnel-point and you haven't even been fairly looking at me. With your vote on me, do you hope to swing the lynch my way over BP? If not, why is your vote on me and not BP?

There is a plethora of questions I could ask you Fanny, however, I just do not think you have the answers. If you want me lynched, actually come at me. Stop being such a wet noodle and take an affirmative stance, put your neck out on the line, and go for it.

 

[#HBC | J]

@ Fandangox

I am just going to tag you every time I want your attention.

 

[Ashemu]

Fandangox: why are you voting J over BP if you think BP is SK?
what do you think about what Kant said about J's claim?

 

[Ashemu]

@ Fandangox how 2 tag >_<

 

[Fandangox]

I'm game for more discussion with Fanny since we have time before deadline and things.

I still have no immediate idea when Fanny has a scum-read on me besides my defense of BW. Where's the connections? Where the comments on my individual play? If you want me lynched, build a case or something. Don't just throw a vote on my slot and say "Eh, 50/50 chance, I'll go with this one." You have been holding me at arm's reach nearly all game, yet you have not commented on me hardly ever besides your constant gripe from D2 and that's all. It's a tunnel-point and you haven't even been fairly looking at me. With your vote on me, do you hope to swing the lynch my way over BP? If not, why is your vote on me and not BP?

There is a plethora of questions I could ask you Fanny, however, I just do not think you have the answers. If you want me lynched, actually come at me. Stop being such a wet noodle and take an affirmative stance, put your neck out on the line, and go for it.

My gripe with you was how you treated BW, and I didn't like your answers. There's not much for me to say over your play right now, I don't remember much of what you did D2 and your D3 was alright, but still didn't get what I wanted out of the questions. This is basically PoE for me here, I highly doubt Potassium is in the scum team, and going by RR's claim Ash is cleared. Its either your or BP and until I start a re-read of BP and your slot there's not much I can say right now.

Fandangox: why are you voting J over BP if you think BP is SK?
what do you think about what Kant said about J's claim?

The game is most likely to end if we lynch the last scum as opposed to whom we think its SK, no? The chances are small, but its a possibility for the SK's wincon to be to survive till either town/scum wins instead of being the last remaining player alive, considering there's a tracker it might be plausible.

Its null to me, it makes sense, but saying that he didn't show up in RR's tracking is honestly a pretty safe claim to make,
no one would question it considering the situation, its a "role" that cannot be CC due to its uniqueness, so it could easily be made up. It would eventually lead to wifom, so I just ignored it.

 

[Ashemu]

i feel like the way you handled j's bwolf defense was slimy as hell actually, you were liek "hm, defending my #1 suspect, pretty suspicious" but didnt actually try to reason with him, which screams "i want to mislynch you later in the game"

 

[Fandangox]

I did, I asked him about it, but his responses were just Meta on BW's slot.

 

[#HBC | J]

You aren't analyzing what I am saying. I explained in almost superfluous detail that I read BW the way I did because of me knowing him IRL. You say you do not like those reasons, but that's all I have to say. You don't even say why you don't like my answers. What about them rang alarm bells off to you?

I am also severely tapping my foot at you for quite literally failing to answer any of my questions and just ducking and dodging them with "can't do it now" when there were questions you could have just answered simply at the time. May statement seems to be holding true that you simply do not have any of the answers to any of my questions and for that, I am more than content to see you die sooner rather than later.

Also with no-one claiming, Vig, we have a guaranteed indy. Town Vig or something would have claimed at this point and we have everyone stated on record saying they do not hold a gun.

Also Ashy is cleared of being mafia with RR's results and only makes sense if there is a ninja, but I do not think so personally. With RR clearing Ashy, I have both of them as town and Kanty cannot be mafia with No Hetero. That only leaves, yet again, Fanny and BP unaccounted for and we have 2 lynches left in the game. One of them has to contain the final mafiosi and the other is the indy.

 

[Ashemu]

also i dont think j is scum ujst because a sk is generally not going to shoot the cop claim n1

 

[Ashemu]

2 be clear (bc i forgot my ow nlgoci immediately after re-reading my own post)

raz stopped a kill n1 (presumably)
j didn't go anywhere n1
soup died n1

if we assume scum shot soup then j can not be scum unless he is ninja

 

[#HBC | J]

Especially a cop that said his results come up as "Mafia/Not Mafia". So I would assume the indy would appear innocent to cop investigation and can be caught by tracker though.

I'm restless with this game and want it to end. Just tempted to vote BP and call for a hammer, but fair and due process to BP for a final defense is needed.

 

[Ashemu]

in fact i think j might not even be probable as sk, bc of how he buddied bwolf... generally SKs want to survive and allow townies to die at that point in the game, by hard defending bwolf he stops a lynch if successful, and if unsuccessful he ties himself to the flip and draws attention (even if bwolf is town he risks "J was scum white knighting obvtown!!!!!!" because townies r really fickle lol)

it could just be him atempting to play very genuine but i think its town intended tbh

 

[#HBC | J]

Random side-bar:

Ashy, you said you came from mafiascum, correct? How long have you been playing this game?

 

[Ashemu]

im not from mafiascum although i have played there but it kinda sucks lol
ive been playing since march 2010.

 

[#HBC | J]

Hm, interesting.

4 years is quite the long time playing.

 

[Ashemu]

yea i have no life ^_^