Rake's Canadafia Over!! Nabe won through the power of Poutine

[#HBC | Gorf]

Go town go!

 

[Ashemu]

Also of this is a gambit drop it now.

yuore dumb af lopl

but yea im vt

 

[Ashemu]

"hmmm i wonder if town could possibly derive any benefit from drawing the nk and letting the real vig live to lylo, nope, time 2 counterclaim" - red ryu

 

[Ashemu]

i still think fandago lynch is still solid btw. note how he wants 2 keep his options open on me in his last post. im town bc nohet did not have to die, joey enabled their lynch by putting them at l-1 while kant (who looked awful) had a chance to hammer. i dont really have a response to the thing about nohets case since i didnt actually read it i was just talking out my hott butt since i know im town but what are you going to do lol.

does anybody who's been around for a while know how consistent j has been in correctly reading bwolf (as both scum and town) in the past

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Do people want to lynch Fand based on how he handled Badwolf and Hetero? I'm pretty sure he was one of the first people to vote both of them and push them.

And No Ash you gambit is bad at this point since we don't need it right now.

 

[Ashemu]

he was the first to vote badwolf but he didnt do much to drum up support for it, hetero was only once the wagon had already built, he literally voted nohet with a "i dont think my other suspects are happening today" which is a giant CONSOLIDATION BUS RED FLAG especially after how little he did to make joey or j viable aside from ask questions and **** which is really half-hearted. its easy to just stick around and point out what your buddies are doing wrong with some snarky short posts but dangerous to actually try to get them lynched and the most fanny did in that area was ask J some questions about bwolf without actually trying to rebuff J's read. despite being consistently on scum he is a total background presence. in fact he only ever voted bwolf in the first place because somebody told him to post his reads

"we dont need it right now" uh ppl were still considering lynching me<_< w/e though

 

[Blindfolded Philosophers]

"we dont need it right now" uh ppl were still considering lynching me<_< w/e though

Why on earth is that a good reason to try a gambit?

People are definitely still considering lynching you.

 

[Blindfolded Philosophers]

Touched base with Gheb very briefly, seems he didn't even know where my vote was when he came in but felt the need to say his mind despite it because I wasn't there *shrug*.

He's against a Fanny lynch and would prefer J or Ashemu, and I'm inclined to agree.



Before I get a good re-read:

I don't feel like Joey's actions with NH clear the slot, especially not when there's real potential for an SK now who NH wouldn't have known of. I'm also not a big fan of that fakeclaim when there were no other people stepping forward to claim vig, it seems to me like an attempt to claim "vig don't kill" gone wrong than anything with town intent, especially that last bit of reasoning that it was worth doing specifically because people were looking at his slot.

Vote: Ashemu

J should also not be ignored as potential scum. For someone so willing to point out our bad wagon track record, it's one he shares to the letter. And with his D1 meta read on Badwolf and vehement anti-Kantrip speech yesterDay it's some hypocrisy that's fairly pronounced. I haven't forgotten the fact that he voiced reason to continue our discussion "putting his hand between the chapter closing" and left a backdoor of "but there is some logic that I don't get" but then never actually continued to ask us anything and seemingly forgot all about it. I'll make an actual case for that one if I have to, but I think everyone here should get the jist of why J isn't the best of us anymore.



One of these two should hold our scum, and if one exists hopefully the SK as well.

I'd also like to point out right now that I'm considering Kantrip clear of potential SK as well, as it doesn't seem like a reasonable move to fake-claim miller against a cop who gets "Mafia/Not Mafia" as his result (even in the case where the crumb was retrofitted to the claim). There'd be nothing to defend himself from as SK, the cop should have investigated him as "Not mafia" which is just fine.

Ryu/Fanny Indy still technically on the table, but not a big concern atm

 

[Blindfolded Philosophers]

For clarity, Ashemu should be the play today. I'm denoting J here in case something weird happens, but the likelihood of him being wrong like us is much higher than being a planning Mafia and would fit more along the lines of an Indy if one were to exist here.

We shouldn't assume that the kill was an SK just because no vig came forward, so I'd like the read that I find more likely mafia to be the play (Ashemu).

 

[#HBC | J]

I was only wrong on Badwolf though.

Choosing between Fanny and BP is gonna be a pain because both sides have credit.

 

[Blindfolded Philosophers]

I was only wrong on Badwolf though.

Choosing between Fanny and BP is gonna be a pain because both sides have credit.

@Underlined:

No, you go back into your corner and think about what you've done. I do not wanna even see another post until I am of different mind w.r.t your slot. You also claimed PRE-EMPTIVELY without A.) being pressured to be claimed. B.) Having just ONE vote (the kicker) and C.) After complaining about Bardull doing something similar. I will lynch you purely based off this claim alone because of my aggravation towards it, but I am going to settle down on it. Right now, you are losing to Marshy in this debate, hard.

You make me want to crack open .gifs to a whole new degree. Get your head out of the clouds and back to earth, please. Your play has just completely dissolved to a point where I do not think you can repair it after fully reading what you are saying and actually with more questions, it seems you actually believe what you are saying.

You are tried to use your claim as a way to get out of the pressure that was mounting, therefore you thought your claim would clear/help you dissuade pressure from your slot, SO by that notion it looks like you thought your claim would get you town-points, AKA be a town-claim and something to help "prove" your towniness. Plus most millers are uninformed, but you are saying that you were informed of this?

Ruy was using logic by saying that it was a scummier claim than that of a towny which is correct in every facet of the words. Some claims are more scummy then others rather than not. Miller claim is usually that of a mafia person rather than that of a town person. He had every right to bring up that part of discussion, but you tried to shoot it down with antagonism rather than just being able to look it through the other townies point of view.

Now tell me why me or Fanny, because I think we're both poor choices that you haven't voiced any suspicion of prior to this.

What happened to all of this from just before the flip yesterday, have Ashemu's posts and fake claim really swayed you that far on a whim? Because I don't think it should:

The bolded really has me biting my lip at things. Why would Joey say, "If I flip scum?" when he should know for a fact, if he was town, that he would be flipping town. That would change his logic into "If I flip town, don't lynch Kanty." but he goes straight to openly admitting there is a possibility of him flipping scum. There is a bit of me that is finding this hard to grasp, especially if Joey is town.

*glares vehemently at Kanty*

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@No Hetero
@Nabe
@marshy
@Fandangox
@Gheb_01
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@ #HBC | Gorf
@-Masquerain-
@ Kantrip
@Raziek

No Hetero has been lynched. Marshy/Nabe claim if you see this or we will see it when Rake is here.

If I die, **** Kanty/Joey up all different ways for me if NH flips town. Flips scum, still go for Joey.

 

[#HBC | J]

Where in those posts did I call Kanty scummy, dummy? Nowhere. I said he was losing and he was. No Hetero was still scummy but beat Kanty in argument terms. There is nothing wrong with what I said. Kanty prematurely hammered which was god awful. So my point still stands unlike yours. Stop comparing me to you. It is grimy as hell.

For why I am switching my attention from Ashy to you two, I'll give a detailed answer more when I am back. That requires more then a phone post such as this.

 

[Blindfolded Philosophers]

I guess what I'm really saying here is "What have you seen from Ashemu to change the read on Joey's slot". I don't feel like surface level replacement observations and a failed vig gambit are grounds for calling Ashemu town over the slot that helped us get Badwolf unprovoked. Especially not one who seems so eager to call itself cleared over so little.

he was the first to vote badwolf but he didnt do much to drum up support for it, hetero was only once the wagon had already built, he literally voted nohet with a "i dont think my other suspects are happening today" which is a giant CONSOLIDATION BUS RED FLAG especially after how little he did to make joey or j viable aside from ask questions and **** which is really half-hearted. its easy to just stick around and point out what your buddies are doing wrong with some snarky short posts but dangerous to actually try to get them lynched and the most fanny did in that area was ask J some questions about bwolf without actually trying to rebuff J's read. despite being consistently on scum he is a total background presence. in fact he only ever voted bwolf in the first place because somebody told him to post his reads

"we dont need it right now" uh ppl were still considering lynching me<_< w/e though

May I remind you there was really only a Frito wagon beforehand, Fandango could have easily left it be and walked away a winner with all three scum-mates intact in that scumteam scenario. NoHet was obviously taking the consolation bus, but Fandangox actually got Badwolf lynched and was harassing him until the end of the day, it was not a last minute consideration or half-hearted questioning.

 

[Blindfolded Philosophers]

@J

Those quotes were long before the premature hammer, so nothing you said there was based on that whatsoever.

 

[#HBC | J]

Phone-post:

ToDay's lynch should be between BP or Fanny. Don't know which way I lean, but I am gonna re-read. Ashy is the only person I would consider scum after those two. I feel mainly I could have been tunnel-visioned on the slot, but if i had to choose out of Ruy/Kanty/Ashy, Ashy is the dead one.

Also not vigilante either.

Fanny's last post is my least favorite of them all so far toDay.

Read this post again, BP. If you want more, gonna have to wait

 

[#HBC | J]

You are focusing on that sentence? Dude, one quote was on the hammer. Another one was but talked about Joey. The other two I don't say anywhere Kanty is scummy nor do I say I am going to lynch him. Most of our argument was Kanty's poor logic and not on him being scum.

 

[Blindfolded Philosophers]

(and our play is very comparable imo, but I'll be waiting on that Ashemu reasoning. I could see why our voting history would make you question us, but I'm not feeling why Fanny is suddenly one of the choices after the Joey replacement comes in and simply points to him)

 

[Blindfolded Philosophers]

You are focusing on that sentence? Dude, one quote was on the hammer. Another one was but talked about Joey. The other two I don't say anywhere Kanty is scummy nor do I say I am going to lynch him. Most of our argument was Kanty's poor logic and not on him being scum.

I think you misunderstand my quotes then, I'm only talking about the ones I said @Underlined for. I know the first two were right before the day ended, but those were for me wondering what changed on Joey.

 

[Blindfolded Philosophers]

EBWOP:

Last two.

Counting is hard.

 

[#HBC | J]

(No it's not)

 

[Blindfolded Philosophers]

Do you at least understand which quotes are for what?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

If the vig doesn't claim soon, I'm going to out what info I got and going to assume they are a serial killer.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Ah **** it, everyone was asked and no one claim.

I'm a mounty, guy on a horse, town tracker.

J went no where n1
BP went no where n2
Ash went no where m3.

Unless Ash is a mafia ninja he is probs town.

Dunno about the rest with a flipped jailer though.

 

[#HBC | J]

Since we have 3/6 claims, I am gonna throw mine into the hat.

Harvy, The Hard Drinker, Vanilla Townie. My province is Newfoundland / Labrador. I have a gag ability that does nothing. I choose who I get to go drinking with each night and N1 I chose Marshy/Joey/Circus and haven't done anything since. Ruy proves that it is just for fun and that I am just a VT. (Rake even mentioned that it was just for his amusement)

Do you at least understand which quotes are for what?

Yup.

=======

I'm being bad and playing mafia during class, but I have written 10 pages of essays today so I deserve a little fun.

 

[#HBC | J]

BP/Fanny, please claim so we can get this out of the way. I have a list of the rest of the claims already so I'll post it for everyone when it is done.

 

[#HBC | J]

Ah **** it, everyone was asked and no one claim.

I'm a mounty, guy on a horse, town tracker.

J went no where n1
BP went no where n2
Ash went no where m3.

Unless Ash is a mafia ninja he is probs town.

Dunno about the rest with a flipped jailer though.

Fanny was the only one to not be asked/come in and say anything.

@Fandangox

Where are you?

 

[Ashemu]

i have 2 wonder if tracker is rly balanced in this set-up since that's an instant scum if you ever track then lynch teh lawyer. think ruy's play is town though so w/e

idk how the vig fake doesnt make sense, if scum presumes im clear then i get shot and the real vig lives so you have a clear in lylo and dont need to worry about reading me

sk is probably NOT bp because if they rly did believe horf was scum then theyd want to keep him alive at this potin

 

[Ashemu]

i mean, i guess they could have shot raz, but why would scum nk gorf

 

[#HBC | J]

Gorf was pretty obvi-townie.

Also tracker makes sense. We had a cop+jailer+tracker+miller*makes 110% with Lawyer* then we have Mafia Lawyer and Goon and then we have a final unknown scum-pr. If we have a vig/SK tracker could work. Tracker could also be scum, but I just do not see that based on D2 alone regarding Ruy.

The final mafiosi is in BP/Fanny/Ashy.

P.S. To Ashy, stop saying "You guys can stop looking at me" "You guys can just assume I'm clear" because it's kind of poor to look at and a tad annoying. We get it, you think you are town and obvi at that. That does not really do much for us in the long run.

 

[Ashemu]

uhhhhhhh that was talking about a hypothetical situation, did u read my post?

i am obvtown though ^___^

 

[Ashemu]

May I remind you there was really only a Frito wagon beforehand, Fandango could have easily left it be and walked away a winner with all three scum-mates intact in that scumteam scenario. NoHet was obviously taking the consolation bus, but Fandangox actually got Badwolf lynched and was harassing him until the end of the day, it was not a last minute consideration or half-hearted questioning.

how does harassing somebody get them lynched? he didnt do **** to convince other people, maybe we have different ideas of how pushing a case works. it's easy to just argue back and forth with somebody even if (especially if, perhaps) they're your scumbuddy, pushing is when you actually try to make other townies vote with you

i guess u have a point about what votes were there beforehand... when reading i felt like they didnt mean much in the long run because evidently nobody fukken votes on this forum until 24 hours before deadline. i am not rly comfortable about how fanny went in2 coastmode the day after though

do u want to explain why your vote was on kantrip D3 when gheb was treating kantrip as obvtown btw

 

[Ashemu]

http://smashboards.com/threads/rakes-canadafia-day-4-begins.350228/page-21#post-16555453 i feel liek the switch here makes j hard town

bp: http://smashboards.com/threads/rakes-canadafia-day-4-begins.350228/page-12#post-16510501 why did you make this switch if you were as certain on soup as you were here? in context it reads like scum wanted a cop mislynch but realized it was improbable and decided to take what they could get. why did you not push a soup lynch harder?

 

[Ashemu]

yeah j is town for his d3 switch to nohet and questioning of kant, if he was scum then he was giving kant a ton of wiggle room to start looking better, makes more sense for him to just be town trying to get ot the bottom of the argument

meanwhile bp voted kant as a ****in hydra disconnect prodvote and fandango had no focus whatsoever lmao

id go as far as to say fandangox aggressively harassing bwolf D2 but being aimless and not targetting any major suspect of his D3 is a strong point against him

 

[#HBC | J]

Ashy, chica, you are a trip and a half. Super enjoyable persona.

Talk about Fanny D2. That is where I lean to lynch BP>Fanny.

 

[Ashemu]

my hypothesis for fanny d2 is that scum realized how ****ty he and bwolf looked coming out of d1 then decided to distance, the wagon building up afterwards was just bad luck. fanny's attacks on bwolf put the two at odds with each other instead of convincing others to join him on bwolf, i hold town to a higher standard in that when there are a lot of voices in the game they should be going "hey dude why rnt you voting this scummy guy, listen to my case" and fandagox only did that with you and it was implied it was because he suspected you and was trying to question you , not because he wanted toconvince you

although, i dont want 2 be the ~meta gal~ but if this is how fanny usually treats his pushes the case would probably lose a lot of credibility, however i have never playe dw/ him before. i do think bp has some seriously sleazy **** going on so i may switch depending on how they answer

 

[Kantrip]

BP coming in swinging for two slots not under consideration is real interesting

I almost want to like it

Us having a Tracker and a Cop is really OP, yet I'm willing to entertain it because I'm pree sure ruy is town

The double kill is almost certainly the result of a SK (we can't possibly have a vig on top of 2 investigatives and a jailer. well, we could but i trust rake here)

I also think scum has something to throw off the Tracker since there's a lawyer and a miller in the mix to throw off the cop (lawyer does do what I think it does right?)

honestly im still pretty solid on fanny for the last scum

BP for SK

 

[Ashemu]

id think ninja sk is more likely than ninja scum, sk can already be screwed by jailer and losing an entire game bc some1 tracked u is the stupidest **** ever,b meanwhile ninja is a questionable role for scum because suddenly the tracker can not catch scum until its dead, it doesnt work the way gf does.

 

[Ashemu]

lawyer targets a scum player & makes them scan town. its reverse framer basically

 

[#HBC | J]

The thing I am having a hard time looking at is Fanny's mini-explosion at BW looks too not faked. It looks like he actually had a problem with BW and I honestly believe Fanny thought BW as scum>etc.

God if we had Raz' protections, we could figure out things. I may believe that BP is the final scum and Fanny is the SK. That makes much more sense.

 

[#HBC | J]

lawyer targets a scum player & makes them scan town. its reverse framer basically

They can target a town person as well and make them look scum. It's a role that flip flops and goes both ways. One of my favorite mafia roles and actually a rare one to see so the mafia nerd/oldie in me is super happy because the last time I remember seeing a lawyer was PW mafia.