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[Kantrip]

why dont you explain why that post is so illogical and why ruy was using logic then, eh?

 

[#HBC | J]

im not claiming its townie

but its also not scummy

its kind of just a thing that i claimed with no pros or cons either way, so null

No, you go back into your corner and think about what you've done. I do not wanna even see another post until I am of different mind w.r.t your slot. You also claimed PRE-EMPTIVELY without A.) being pressured to be claimed. B.) Having just ONE vote (the kicker) and C.) After complaining about Bardull doing something similar. I will lynch you purely based off this claim alone because of my aggravation towards it, but I am going to settle down on it. Right now, you are losing to Marshy in this debate, hard.

 

[#HBC | J]

why dont you explain why that post is so illogical and why ruy was using logic then, eh?

You make me want to crack open .gifs to a whole new degree. Get your head out of the clouds and back to earth, please. Your play has just completely dissolved to a point where I do not think you can repair it after fully reading what you are saying and actually with more questions, it seems you actually believe what you are saying.

You are tried to use your claim as a way to get out of the pressure that was mounting, therefore you thought your claim would clear/help you dissuade pressure from your slot, SO by that notion it looks like you thought your claim would get you town-points, AKA be a town-claim and something to help "prove" your towniness. Plus most millers are uninformed, but you are saying that you were informed of this?

Ruy was using logic by saying that it was a scummier claim than that of a towny which is correct in every facet of the words. Some claims are more scummy then others rather than not. Miller claim is usually that of a mafia person rather than that of a town person. He had every right to bring up that part of discussion, but you tried to shoot it down with antagonism rather than just being able to look it through the other townies point of view.

 

[Blindfolded Philosophers]

Potassium voted Bard without stating a reason, and got a cop claim out of it. Then he did nothing until deadline and hopped onto the popular wagon. The reason he didn't have to do anything: he already got his work in for the Day by getting the claim to shoot him at Night, and didn't care who the mislynch was. Then after expressing no suspicion D1, he fingers Badwolf D2, framed as an OMGUS from BW's vote D1, trying to hide behind Raz and Fand expressing actual arguments.

All that "I live in Ontario" stuff is some outguess the mod wifom since it's exactly the kind of flavor misdirection you might expect from using real people as roles, but THIS is a pretty legitimate point I forgot entirely about Kantrip's slot.


PS: I'll probably be V/LA for most of Tomorrow... which is now technically today because it's midnight

 

[Kantrip]

dude i was claiming to explain why my behaviour towards bardull was so strange

and it did so

i dont see your point about alignments coming into this, plain and simple my claim explained what I intended for it to explain and all your crap about inherently scummy/townie claims is garbage

you must have forgotten what logic is

 

[#HBC | J]

dude i was claiming to explain why my behaviour towards bardull was so strange

and it did so

i dont see your point about alignments coming into this, plain and simple my claim explained what I intended for it to explain and all your crap about inherently scummy/townie claims is garbage

you must have forgotten what logic is

Oh dear god, you...just....

Do not use the word, "logic" without even understanding what you are talking about first. It is making me question your mafia intelligence and sanity as a person. Get off your high horse when you have no footing for it.

Going to continue reading things, from this point regarding this topic, the only thing I want to hear from you is "I'm sorry." otherwise, I will ignore all attempts of responding to such drivel.

 

[Blindfolded Philosophers]

im not claiming its townie

but its also not scummy

its kind of just a thing that i claimed with no pros or cons either way, so null

Question Kantrip: Why didn't you claim you were an informed miller when the role was first given to you?

 

[#HBC | J]

youre right

and i only reacted that way because like 3 people immediately were like "oh man a huge wall-case i dislike kantrip now"

thats not thinking

probably should have replaced when things got rocky for me, im sorry

This is bull. The most people say was that it was an interesting case. Your flailing is what sealed the deal on quite a couple slots.

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Replace when things get rocky for you, what? That's just terrible ethics when playing mafia to leave when things get rough so a replacement can deal with your follies. It's also a disservice to the mod/players. Own up to your mistakes if you made them and play them out.

*Hops off armchair*

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[#HBC | J]

thats at gorf

ruy is not right and i cant be arsed to spend another game drilling into his head why he doesnt use reasoning properly

Seriously, how does belittleing Ruy in-game at all being decent and respectful to another person? This type of behaviour extremely pisses me off. I am keeping most of my comments under wrapped because they are petty, but seriously, stop being an asshat.

 

[#HBC | J]

maybe it was just ruy mindlessly sheeping someone who makes a long post with a vote at the end, but i coulda sworn you and j saw it and went "hmm that has merit"

hell ruy didn't even read it, he said he skimmed it and bought into it

smh

Read, dammit, read.

 

[#HBC | J]

@ Kantrip I give you full permission to ignore every post NH makes toward you until they return the favor to the rest of town.

Yes NH I am going to try make your time in here a living hell as long as you aren't cooperating.

No, don't you dare even do this. Kanty needs to actually respond instead of throw a ***** fit about it and say how terrible it is without responding OR pointing out where NH is wrong. I don't care what qualm you have with them, do not disrupt others from finding scum-reads.

 

[#HBC | J]

maybe j really is a 16 year old girl

So do you just do this to anyone who thinks you are scum? It's pretty childish.

 

[#HBC | J]

@J can you talk about Joey's d2 play I'm gonna give you this on my reread, his D1doean't read town to me, but his D2 is better, thoughts on that?

I will be getting to this now. I seriously do not remember him whiteknighting you or anything about his D2 play besides his hop-on vote to BW.

 

[Blindfolded Philosophers]

can you consolidate the case into something more manageable for me to respond to?

im not tackling it in its current form but think it deserves addressing rather than me blowing up like i did

I think you should tackle it exactly as it is, it's a key post and if you're town you should be showing us all what you see so we can catch NHscum instead of letting it ride. I'm going to be reading it in depth right now to do my due diligence, you should do the same and post everything right and wrong about it so we can all see.


Also this, hopefully you didn't completely bail for the night already.

Question Kantrip: Why didn't you claim you were an informed miller when the role was first given to you?

*Waits*
(like a statue)

 

[Kantrip]

This is bull. The most people say was that it was an interesting case. Your flailing is what sealed the deal on quite a couple slots.

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Replace when things get rocky for you, what? That's just terrible ethics when playing mafia to leave when things get rough so a replacement can deal with your follies. It's also a disservice to the mod/players. Own up to your mistakes if you made them and play them out.

*Hops off armchair*

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rocky in real life, not in game

 

[Kantrip]

Question Kantrip: Why didn't you claim you were an informed miller when the role was first given to you?

decided to crumb it, i dont really know why

 

[Kantrip]

So do you just do this to anyone who thinks you are scum? It's pretty childish.

the i cant even **** is so tumblr

 

[#HBC | J]

rocky in real life, not in game

Then I withdraw my statement, my apologies.

 

[#HBC | J]

the i cant even **** is so tumblr

The "i can't even" is just how I talk. I don't even have a tumblr so lol to that. It's mainly just pop culture talk if you want to use the psychosocial textbook definition for a phrase such as that. I mean, call the idiom whatever you want, it still draws the point that I cannot believe what you said and I do not want to even try comprehending that that is truly what you meant to say.

 

[Kantrip]

The "i can't even" is just how I talk. I don't even have a tumblr so lol to that. It's mainly just pop culture talk if you want to use the psychosocial textbook definition for a phrase such as that. I mean, call the idiom whatever you want, it still draws the point that I cannot believe what you said and I do not want to even try comprehending that that is truly what you meant to say.

claiming miller completely unprovoked with a dead cop in the game is not a scummy claim

it is also not a townie claim

the situation that caused me to claim (explaining my reaction to bardull) should have, if nothing else, brought a new light to my strange behavior surrounding the cop claim, and at least explained it

that sounds like logic to me

 

[#HBC | J]

claiming miller completely unprovoked with a dead cop in the game is not a scummy claim

it is also not a townie claim

the situation that caused me to claim (explaining my reaction to bardull) should have, if nothing else, brought a new light to my strange behavior surrounding the cop claim, and at least explained it

that sounds like logic to me

Your behavior wasn't strange and no one was even looking at you besides your "biggest scum-read" at the time who built a case on you and therefore provoked your claim. You keep saying you had "strange" behavior but where is this strange behavior? Who prompted that you were acting "strange", besides NH?

You keep bringing up the "l" word, yet you haven't shown understanding of it. Stop.

 

[Kantrip]

i had a lack of reasoning last night cuz life sucked and i shouldnt have come to thread

i saw a huge wall on me with a lot of poor reasoning and painting a picture in it

i saw ruy buy into it, and i thought i saw you and gorf buy into it as well

which was suddenly 4 people against me for a bunch of reasons i thought were bull**** but didnt want to go through the effort of picking apart one at a time

that plus life = ****storm ensues

 

[#HBC | J]

I realize life can get in the way of mafia, truly I do.

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You have time now to destroy the case then, correct? Then you should be doing as such instead of picking petty comments to respond to and pressing the incorrect paths. Based on your pressing of me, you have pretty much learned nothing about my slot (which you have as null) besides that I adamantly disagree with your logic.

Clarify this for me, you are saying your "strange" behavior is that of your reaction and your miller claim would explain it? How?

 

[Kantrip]

my strange behaviour is my response to bardull's claim and has nothing to do with my reaction

im actually going to bed

 

[Blindfolded Philosophers]

Vote: Kantrip


Get to that case.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

frustrateds a better word. im not frothing at the mouth flippin **** like the language in my last post suggests but its a pain in the *** to go through all the effort to pull what i did from the thread point out WHY POTATOS PLAY MIRRORS HIS SCUMPLAY (and just scumplay in general before someone comes in here and ****s on meta) and then i just get **** on when im pretty ****ing sure hes scum especially by YOU when you of all people should know the frustrations of bein *********** of a legitimate suspicion considering luigis mansion tranquility and the other recent ****fests weve had the misfortune of bein a part of as of late

im sayin this for *****s to WAKE the **** up and consider what im sayin instead of just baselessly yelling "HERP MARSHY YOURE NOT HELPING TOWN" when ive been putting myself out on a ****ing limb for a suspicion that was ignored until we ****in pointed out and presented it to town. why the **** even do that obnoxious bull****? youre doin the same ****in bull**** that aggro did to us in lm and we all know how that benefited absolutely no one

Listen. Your play from D1 (I just read it) was playing with space from the thread. You play on D2 was playing by answering questions very meticulously and avoiding conflict all around. D3 you come in with a Kantrip case and explaining your positioning from the previous Day. I don't want you having the space and position you're in. You haven't shown interest in thread. You can say you have, but it's not here. I can only grab subtlety from things that are physically there. You're hiding, and I wanna expose you. Either show me you're town while you're here or die, really. Sorry bro, but I'm telling you to break anti town if you are town.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I'm gonna be honest.

I laughed pretty damn hard at Kanty suggesting that "miller" was 1.) a legit claim 2.) a claim a townie would crumb 3.) something he could use to defend himself. I've hosted games with millers in them, I have fake-claimed miller as scum, I have been millers as town. Seriously, it's not a "point of innocence" in any aspect. To be honest, I see it as more scumKanty fake-crumbing miller in case he was ever investigated.

Good laugh though. 7.5/10 would laugh again.

No. The adrenaline things seriously adds credibility, plus he crumbed it before the cop claim. I get what you're saying but I'm sad you're not checking it in context.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

This page man...

...

If I'm wrong marshy I'm sorry but your plays got me tweakin hard and on my toes. Pre emptive apology if I AM wrong, but hey everybody has their ups and downs right?

(This is me taking back the **** blocking but still needing cooperation from your slot)

 

[No Hetero]

Listen. Your play from D1 (I just read it) was playing with space from the thread. You play on D2 was playing by answering questions very meticulously and avoiding conflict all around. D3 you come in with a Kantrip case and explaining your positioning from the previous Day. I don't want you having the space and position you're in. You haven't shown interest in thread. You can say you have, but it's not here. I can only grab subtlety from things that are physically there. You're hiding, and I wanna expose you. Either show me you're town while you're here or die, really. Sorry bro, but I'm telling you to break anti town if you are town.

your turn to listen

what game are you playing? what the **** does "space from the thread" even mean? last i checked we were in here getting our hands dirty pushing the bard lynch and d2 was us fleshing out our reads with nabe at the reins pushing frito but that not goin through cuz we had some lazy ****** who didnt wanna do **** til deadline. d3 i make a case on someone i think is scum

you keep coming at me with vague bull**** that is completely fluid and lacking in substance

"space and position you're in"

"you havent shown interest you can say you have but it nots here"

"i can only grab subtlety from things that are physically there"

"youre hiding and i wanna expose you"

WHAT THE **** ARE YOU EVEN SAYING GORF? STOP talking to me in voodoo riddle nonsense and either be clear in a way i can actually respond instead of coming at me with the equivalent of you crossing your arms saying "im disappointed" with no substance or **** outta hear

 

[No Hetero]

Day 3 starts now...ends Monday April 7th at midnight.

DEADLINE IS MONDAY. START MOVING YOUR VOTES TO POTATO (JOEY IS ALSO ACCEPTABLE THO NOT PREFERRED). READ MY ****ING CASE AND HIS SCUMMYASS REACTION TO IT AND CONTINUED REFUSAL TO PROPERLY ENGAGE IT TO REALIZE WHY HES SCUM. DEADLINES AROUND THE CORNER AT THE BEGINNING OF THE WEEK WHEN ACTIVITYS LOW AND IM SICK OF THIS GAME BEIN NOTHING BUT LAST MINUTE LYNCHES CUZ EVERYONE SITS ON THEIR ASSES TIL DEADLINE

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

your turn to listen

what game are you playing? what the **** does "space from the thread" even mean? last i checked we were in here getting our hands dirty pushing the bard lynch and d2 was us fleshing out our reads with nabe at the reins pushing frito but that not goin through cuz we had some lazy *****s who didnt wanna do **** til deadline. d3 i make a case on someone i think is scum

you keep coming at me with vague bull**** that is completely fluid and lacking in substance

"space and position you're in"

"you havent shown interest you can say you have but it nots here"

"i can only grab subtlety from things that are physically there"

"youre hiding and i wanna expose you"

WHAT THE **** ARE YOU EVEN SAYING GORF? STOP talking to me in voodoo riddle nonsense and either be clear in a way i can actually respond instead of coming at me with the equivalent of you crossing your arms saying "im disappointed" with no substance or **** outta hear

Alright. You got my attention.

unvote

Let me tell you a story really quick. Trust me, it's relevant.

Tranquility. Scum offed me N2 and I had you as pretty solid enough town for all of D1 and a significant portion of D2. You know what I mean, the town enough read on you where I'm cool with you wreaking havoc on your accord and where you know I'm town (well there you OBVIOUSLY did know I was town), so it really becomes lower priority to talk to me if we're on separate tangents, but really convenient when our heads mesh. And for a lot of our reads, they DID mesh. Sure you were wrong on some town players and I was wrong on some town players, but the reads were relatable. The thing is, and you can't blame me for this, it always feels like your slot has a hidden motive, and not in the good way. It's moreso in the "if I let this guy loose long enough he's gonna **** up town and flip scum" sort of way. By the end of Day 2 over there, I started questioning my read on you but didn't want to publicize it in case I was wrong, and I wanted to wait until the naxt Day. Good thing I didn't budge ehh?

The reason that this is relevant is because my read on you, for a decent part before mid D2 yesterDay, was "solid enough town, I'll let em do his thing." Problem is, and no Nabe doesn't help this at all lmao, my read started to fall when your play seemed to become about hand selecting posts n riding on answering certain points, and maybe it's my fault for this, but your play made me skim over your posts. I don't like to feel the need to skim over either of your slots' posts. That puts you in the background, when your play is much more comfortable to observe in the foreground.

Hey No Hetero give me your agenda cuz I dunno if I'm that dense but I can't seem to locate it at all. You have frito and badwolf as scummy but I see virtually nothing else aside from responses. I don't care if I'm wrong, tell me what your agenda is. If you're one head not looking to speak for both of you, speak for yourself, cuz honestly I'm probably the only reason why you're not the top wagon, and I'm close to losing that grip.

This is where my read on you started to turn back. I started to question why you were scumreading who in the manner you we, but it never REALLY evolved past anything till BWolf turned out to be scum. That's when I started to be like wooooooah dafuq's this shiz. I felt double crossed, and no I'm not looking for waterworks or anything, but your hand just seemed to fit glove. It was between you J and Joey, and Kantrip cuz I didn't remember my read on em (who knows maybe that should've been the alarm). But I read back. And I read Kantrip and J as town, and I read Joey as straight up scum.

Wanna know something funny? When I started reading your posts, I got to thinking "GEEZ this guy's play is reminding me of him in late Tranquility it's gotta get ****ed outta hear." Now, stop. Don't worry. I know how STUPID that sounds knowing what I did next, but what can I say I'm a stupid dude sometimes. What's not stupid is that after I posted what I posted last night (sorry I'm reading it again and it is worded SO dumb but I was toasted hardbody and it was like 6 AM over here) I went to bed and actually remembered feeling the same way about your play as how I did in Tranquiility, but this time I wasn't a ****** about it. I decided to think back on where your head was at and why it was there. They all line up with a town thought process. Your reads weren't there as placeholders, like how your JD read felt after looking back on it in FFTA, or I think it was Kantrip in MMU, and it's not just cuz I agree with you, but because scum reading Bardull and frito when you did and backing off on em when you did were correct calls on your (I'm speaking to you) part. I seemed to be doing that confirmation bias thing JD loves gallivanting around with.

So yea. You got my attention.

Also, another thing that got me thinking: if you were scum, that'd mean that you'd have to carefully construct that post to tailor a specific end result. Assuming Joey is scum, that'd mean that you'd know that his activity was going to be trash, and that you'd have to carry your team on your back and eventually bus off Joey. If you're scum, that means gaining enough credibility to ride to lylo, and putting yourself in such a position with Kantrip would be detrimental to your team. Basically what I'm saying is that your move can't have scum motivation behind it. At least not for mafia. I'm sure it didn't slip past you that you were under heat going into toDay, and THAT move is not one that a mafiosi makes when him and his mate are dangerously close to losing. We've got 9 players left with 1 scum already flipped. A ML will put that at 7 with one flipped if Kantrip dies and flips town, and town's gonna RIP you if you're wrong on this cuz it's a ballsy as **** move to make as scum. I think, if you were scum, you'd make Joey top priority in order to solidify the credibility of your read going into the next Day, therefore cushinoning the blow when townKantrip flips.

Your play doesn't read of that of a mafiosi. No matter how much I may want it to. I have **** I gotta do but I'll read up on watchu got on Kantrip again with less goggles.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I read the case again. The fact is... it's all ENTIRELY dependent on connections, which is hard to have people grip. I read back and Kantrip's play checked out a-okay in retrospect... But his scum play is a lot more clean than his town play. I'm sure you'd agree, correct? He's pre good at forcing himself to emulate his town behavior enough when he needs it so that people do not scum read em based on play alone. On paper, he checks out fine, and I think it's fair for me to say that Kantrip is usually one of those surefire D1 lynches when he's town, and that's cuz he's not restrained by needing to check the ridiculousness of what he posts. Either way, I DID think he was going objectively wacko D1 with his logic, but I was under the impression that it was just him being dumb ol' Kantrip. Looking back, things like the Raz suspicion and that Fandango suspicion really don't hold up. PLUS, BWolf had a scum read on the slot for using the Kreative schtick. I totally remember seeing that and my jaw dropping. PLUS PLUS, Joey's vote on the slot during semi early D1 already reeked to me from Joey's side, and that can DEFINITELY be seen as ultimate sabotage setup for looking clean on a bus in case it were to happen. But alas, I'd rather know that I'm right about Joey being scum before making these calls. At this rate, I'll give you my vote by tomorrow night if the wagon seems to be weighted toward there. But you gotta promise me that if his replacement comes in he's not allowed to weasel out.

 

[Dooms]

vote: Joey

I town read Kantrip. If my lynch will keep him around since the case on him is a connection case with me if I recall correctly, then lynch me first, especially with me being the back up and the guaranteed lynch tomorrow. If I flip scum, jump all over Kantrip. No reason to go deep on him if you're jusy assuming I'm scum and just delaying my lynch by a day and making Rake find a replacement for my slot for no reason.

 

[Raziek]

Reading now, should be able to get caught up before I have to leave for a tournament.

 

[Raziek]

im pretty null on him and expect to be because he's drilled into my head enough times that he doesn't really get into a game until D3 on average

i had a huge chunk of one of my posts dedicated to him and thought that implied that i was looking for answers from him to be able to read him. i have questions ive posed throughout the game and ive patiently waited until D3 for him to "start playing" so i can read him properly.

so no, im not scumreading him and you probably just noticed a hint of cynical impatience in my posts that looked like the toxicity that would lace my posts if i was speaking to a scumread

TBQH, I've done sufficient playing this game in keeping my stances on the table. I haven't been constantly present, but you should have enough to have an opinion on me rather than just keeping it at arms-length and putting the onus on me to 'do more stuff', which you could just blame me for later.

Pretty much everyone else has an opinion on me, why don't you?

 

[Fandangox]

Just because someone made a scummy claim doesn't mean I think they are scum.

I don't care if you're the towniest person alive, if you claim miller/Bullet Proof etc. I'm going to take a second look at you from this.

Context doesn't matter here, some claims are inherently scummy from what they are.

Don't you think this is subverted a little? If everyone is aware that a specific claim is "inherently" scummy then who ever is gonna claim that role must think twice about it cause they realize the implications of claiming the role. You gotta look at the context around the claim to decide for yourself if its scummy or not.

 

[Raziek]

no **** that

its time for this potato to get MASHED

youre gettin ****ED UP son wait til I hit a computer

Why the **** are we looking at a Joey lynch after all that flailing on Page 22?

Continuing to read.

 

[Raziek]

But I'm from Ontario. Rake and I have had several discussions about our terrible government, and I am forever complaining to him about Ontario's ****ty MPs, and how having Stephen Harper in the same province as me makes my blood boil. There is no way in hell that Rake thinks I'm from Quebec -- but I can believe that Potato would think that, and try to leverage an unclaimed Canadian DGamer as part of his claim.


If there is a real Miller, CC. If there is a real Nabe, CC.

I had been wondering about this the moment I saw that claim. Thanks for that.

 

[Fandangox]

Marshy and I both wanted your lynch, but he was hard against Badwolf scum until Badwolf unvoted Frito. Even then, he was only down with RyuTown after the Circus kill, as I've already said. He wasn't going to switch to Badwolf from you D2, no chance of it. I was V/LA and didn't get here to make the Badwolf vote until the moment I made it.

Eeh, Why was Marshy opposed to a Badwolf lynch?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Yeah 110% want Hetero dead right now.