Ragnarok Mafia - Game over!

[#HBC | J]

Seikend, who should we lynch though. You keep saying Soupa's a bad lynch but don't come up with a better solution.

Grrr....bbl.

Unvote

 

[#HBC | J]

Vote: Raziek

Till I get back, that's where I want it.

 

[Seikend]

Can anyone explain why they feel Soup's recent move was a cop out for mistakes he made?

From my perspective it makes perfect sense.

Early on he had me as a strong town read, and offered to hold my hand basically. He was telling me to trust him.

His next readlist he has me as scummy, but makes no push at all in my direction. He instead questions J about me. He was trying to get a read out of J from that.

Note when I'm at L-2, with Joey ready to vote me, he tells me to wait, then explicitly says he's NOT going to vote me. He never had any intention to.

And now he's provided us with his current readlist, where I'm a townread.

From my perspective it was all to gain reads, and his read on me has actually been consistent.


Sorry Soupbro, should have trusted you when you offered your hand.

 

[Killstic]

Killstic, is Soup scum?

Other than this "Oh, I was experimenting lolololol" **** and the generally bad play, I'd say that he's a solid null leaning scum.

I just do not approve of him doing this crap, scum or not. If we don't lynch him, I suppose I can live with it, but since it's D1, I don't have as much of a problem with his lynch as I would on, say, D3 or so.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Can anyone explain why they feel Soup's recent move was a cop out for mistakes he made?

From my perspective it makes perfect sense.

Early on he had me as a strong town read, and offered to hold my hand basically. He was telling me to trust him.

His next readlist he has me as scummy, but makes no push at all in my direction. He instead questions J about me. He was trying to get a read out of J from that.

Note when I'm at L-2, with Joey ready to vote me, he tells me to wait, then explicitly says he's NOT going to vote me. He never had any intention to.

And now he's provided us with his current readlist, where I'm a townread.

From my perspective it was all to gain reads, and his read on me has actually been consistent.


Sorry Soupbro, should have trusted you when you offered your hand.

Seikend, you're a champ and don't let anyone say you're bad at mafia.

 

[Seikend]

Seikend, who should we lynch though. You keep saying Soupa's a bad lynch but don't come up with a better solution.

Grrr....bbl.

Unvote

I'm gauging the Soup votes. I feel that some of those votes were opportunistic and I'm sure there's scum on this Soup wagon.


Currently... Killstic or Raziek. JTB looks scummy to me, but there's not enough time to get that wagon going anywhere.


I'm not so sure in you being scum anymore, J. I'm seriously gonna have to re-read you and see where I get. Probably once we have a flip.

 

[Dabuz]

OK, THERE IS A SOME BS TO BE CALLED OUT

Seikend: Sounds like your trying to justify Soup because he has no intention of voting for you. Your also justifying the fact that the way he is playing is meant to be confusing, well now, idk what to think about Soup, it is a confusing style of play.

Soup: That last post and the few before it are full AtE

 

[#HBC | J]

Why can Seik explain your OWN actions but you cannot do it yourself. Also why would anyone say Seik's bad?

Soupa, why shouldn't we lynch you? Tell me why I shouldn't just let the wagon on you roll on through. Are you gonna improve your play? Are you going to fix your horrendous mistakes? What are you going to do to stop this lynch besides just sit on your heels and AtE your *** off?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

there was never any 'play' to improve J, if you by mean play normally, then yeah, i can do that for you.

 

[#HBC | J]

there was never any 'play' to improve J, if you by mean play normally, then yeah, i can do that for you.

No, you did play and what you did play was your worst performance yet. You cannot just write this off to an "experimental" test run because that's not how it works. Man up and admit your faults and fix them.

 

[Seikend]

OK, THERE IS A SOME BS TO BE CALLED OUT

Seikend: Sounds like your trying to justify Soup because he has no intention of voting for you. Your also justifying the fact that the way he is playing is meant to be confusing, well now, idk what to think about Soup, it is a confusing style of play.

Soup: That last post and the few before it are full AtE

Do you think my reasoning for thinking Soup is town is poor? if you re-read you'll find it all does make sense.

The goal of Soup's play was not to be confusing. Just a by-product of his playstyle ends up in confusion. And I'm not approving of it at all. In my #669 I explicitly state that it's a bogus way to play, because no one can trust you.

I still think it's a poor way to play, but that doesn't mean it's scummy. I don't approve, but I understand what Soup was trying to do.

Do you think Soup is scum?

Is AtE scummy? People get emotional.

 

[Dabuz]

6 people are viewing this thread, OPINIONS PEOPLE?!

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

your ignornace is annoying, J.

you're that person i'm talking about, if it's not by-the-book town play, it's nothing, i wouldn't waltz into a ****ing thread and make a mockery of myself without a reason, i'm not that shallow of a person, you keep insisting that what i was doing was bad play, but that's only from the view-point of the text-book play of 'good' town-play.

i'm trying to spice things up, i'm tired of being told i have to play by some guideline that i must do these things to be pro-town, because when i do them, they don't do jack squat for me personally, you can count pulp fiction as good example of doing it right, but it was dragged on and tedious for me and in the end i felt my reads didn't evolve because i only did look at that perspective, i've said multiple times that i don't like the blinky blinky back-forth crap and prefer to do things differntly, if i'm damned for doing so, then i'm damned, but i'm not going to swallow my words and say "you're right J, i'll play like a good townie next time"

aforemention, i will follow the beaten path because you won't ever shutup if i don't, and i know other people won't either, but that's fine, i understand what i did was bogus (seikend's words) but that's fine by me also.

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm still sitting back diabotically plotting trying to think a few things out.

 

[JTB]

Ok, let's get a Soup wagon started.

Vote: Soupamario

His play has been scummy ever since he's replaced in. We already know that he entered the game by giving off a bunch of reads based off his 20 minute readthrough without any explanations or whatnot. It's scummy, but his scumminess really shows in his 410.

He gives a one-liner for DH vote and ignores it for the rest of the post. I feel like the posts he brings up against Raziek are extremely blown out of proportion and he's just looking to miscontrue anything he can as scummy. The main things you should take away from this post is that

1) He votes his primary scumpick, DH, without any sort of case at all.
2) He places a FoS on Raziek after making what he believes is a case.
3) Armor is scum because of his lurky behavior.

Upon this post, I really believe that upon a scumSoup flip, DH is scum and Raziek is town. Not sure about Armor though.

His 422 stands out to me a lot. Scum can easily fake scumpicks too. I can't quite put the rest of what stands out to me in words though.

He uses his 428 as a means to jump off his DH vote without actually pushing DH at all.

Exchange with J should be considered null and nothing else imo.

476 is another really scummy post. He's trying to shift suspicion onto J's slot based on really weak meta reasoning.

DH's 509 strongly mirrors Soups 'case' on Raziek. He pushes J and Soup, but instead of voting one of them, he goes with Killstic, someone he doesn't talk about at all.

Soups's 512 comes right after DH and makes absolutely no mention about it. Plus, weak case is weak. His further explanation for his case in 555 doesn't help it at all either.

Then comes his 574. His constant change in stance on J reminds me a lot of GL where I was scumbuds with him and he constantly called me town/scum until I called him on it. Granted, this would imply a scumJ, which I don't see. But I don't like his flippant behavior at all. J back to null in 650.

New stance list in 578. DH listed as town, despite never saying anything about him since his vote. DH/Soup are definitely scumbuds if one flips scum.

We should lynch Soup toDay. DH toMorrow upoin a scumSoup flip.

 

[Seikend]

Maaaan, can't wait to talk to you about this afterwards Soup. Got so many things to say haha.


J, I'm getting the impression that even though you're annoyed with Soup, you have a fairly strong town read on him. Am I wrong?

 

[Seikend]

@JTB

No thanks.

Can you remind me of your read on Killstic and Raziek please?

 

[#HBC | J]

your ignornace is annoying, J.

you're that person i'm talking about, if it's not by-the-book town play, it's nothing, i wouldn't waltz into a ****ing thread and make a mockery of myself without a reason, i'm not that shallow of a person, you keep insisting that what i was doing was bad play, but that's only from the view-point of the text-book play of 'good' town-play.

i'm trying to spice things up, i'm tired of being told i have to play by some guideline that i must do these things to be pro-town, because when i do them, they don't do jack squat for me personally, you can count pulp fiction as good example of doing it right, but it was dragged on and tedious for me and in the end i felt my reads didn't evolve because i only did look at that perspective, i've said multiple times that i don't like the blinky blinky back-forth crap and prefer to do things differntly, if i'm damned for doing so, then i'm damned, but i'm not going to swallow my words and say "you're right J, i'll play like a good townie next time"

aforemention, i will follow the beaten path because you won't ever shutup if i don't, and i know other people won't either, but that's fine, i understand what i did was bogus (seikend's words) but that's fine by me also.

I'm not gonna pity you nor am I gonna do anything with you when you, yourself, are your own worst enemy. You put yourself in these situations and ask, "Why don't people listen to me or not call me scummy?" and it doesn't make sense. You say you are gonna be damned if you are gonna stick to this play and if that's how you wanna play then by all means, be damned. But like hell can you write off everything as "I just play the way I play because that's just who I am."

Regardless, we need to stop this discussion about your play because we need to focus on actually playing the game.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

That's not it all J, dear lord..

yeah, totes seik.

tired
bed
night

 

[#HBC | J]

Maaaan, can't wait to talk to you about this afterwards Soup. Got so many things to say haha.


J, I'm getting the impression that even though you're annoyed with Soup, you have a fairly strong town read on him. Am I wrong?

I feel his replacing out and his overall attitude marks him as a dirty snake of a player who did that to try and get people to stop looking at him as scum and actually think he is town instead of backing up his trains of thoughts and instead of actually following through with things. I feel he did this so he can try and make up for his shallow reads and his overall bad play.

If by that you mean town, then yes that is certainly what you can take it as. ^^

He needs to go parachuting without a parachute but otherwise he can live for now.

 

[th3kuzinator]

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Vote Count
Killstic[3]: Dark Horse, T-block, Seikend
Raziek[1]: J
Seikend[2]: Ryker, Gova
Soupamario[5]: JO_OEY, Raziek, Dabuz, Killstick, JTB

Not Voting: Armor

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Deadline is set for Monday, 8/17 at 11:59 PM EST.


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[Dabuz]

Do you think my reasoning for thinking Soup is town is poor? if you re-read you'll find it all does make sense.

The goal of Soup's play was not to be confusing. Just a by-product of his playstyle ends up in confusion. And I'm not approving of it at all. In my #669 I explicitly state that it's a bogus way to play, because no one can trust you.

I still think it's a poor way to play, but that doesn't mean it's scummy. I don't approve, but I understand what Soup was trying to do.

Do you think Soup is scum?

Is AtE scummy? People get emotional.

What i want to point out is, how quick to were to buddy up with Soup now and say he is town that he says he won't vote for you. THAT seems scummy to me. Also, now your saying Soup seems town, yet in your 582, you said you weren't sure, it really seems like your trying to buddy him because he won't vote for you and he is getting pressure off of you.


I don't see him as scummy, but i am REALLY HATING his play, like it actually makes me angry


AtE is not initially scummy, but its bad because it is a substitute for logical thinking.

 

[#HBC | J]

I don't see him as scummy, but i am REALLY HATING his play, like it actually makes me angry.

Agree a lot with this line but his play this game has been scummy for me.

 

[th3kuzinator]

It's true. He's actually quite adorable.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

dabuz town

stop posting i'm tired

 

[#HBC | J]

Seik, make a choice, Kill or Raz?

Joey/Soupa will join us for Raz if you choose that path. Ryker will if he gets here. That's 6. Someone will hammer because a few others have him on the backburner.

 

[Dabuz]

@Soup: I respect the fact that you wanna play differently and uniquely to find scum, but at the same time, it needs to be not as confusing, i can't trust the reads of a confusing player, nor can i fully understand the train of thought.

 

[#HBC | J]

By make a choice, vote in your next post please due to lack of time.

 

[Seikend]

What i want to point out is, how quick to were to buddy up with Soup now and say he is town that he says he won't vote for you. THAT seems scummy to me. Also, now your saying Soup seems town, yet in your 582, you said you weren't sure, it really seems like your trying to buddy him because he won't vote for you and he is getting pressure off of you.


I don't see him as scummy, but i am REALLY HATING his play, like it actually makes me angry


AtE is not initially scummy, but its bad because it is a substitute for logical thinking.

Yeah, fair enough.

I didn't know back in my #582. I didn't get Soup for the longest time. It wasn't until his #662 where everything clicked for me. He explains his plans throughout the day.

"this was more of a focus of doing irrational things to gain attention to the slot and see how certain people would react,"

This line in particular, just stuck out in regards to him suddenly buddying up to J and offering to hand hold in theory. And then... it sort of all fell in place when I thought about it.

okay.

Well in this context do you think his AtE is scummy?

 

[#HBC | J]

Oh woops, I meant change your vote or state you are staying on Kill. My apologies.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

i respect that dabuz and i'm fine playing either way, though it's more effective with latter, but i'll manage.

J is town too

 

[Dabuz]

@Seik: In this context, the AtE is not scummy because he is planning to drop out, it just seems like an excuse to drop out.


Also, can someone re-run why raziek is scummy? Not enough time to look back this thread and i haven't picked up any read on him during my time looking at this thread.

 

[#HBC | J]

Basically he has done nothing, been a hop on to wagons that seem like they are heading places, mechanical in his scum-hunting when he attempts to do so, nothing recognizable from my PoV that is helpful to town.

That's off the top of my head and by far at the moment my strongest scum-read.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

k night for real tired as ****

 

[Dabuz]

Ok, im not feeling strong about scum-Raziek in that case. I want to lynch either soupamario or killstic

 

[Seikend]

My vote will be staying on Killstic for now.

wrt Killstic I'm kinda leaning on their slip with regards to me being an actual slip: They forgot what they thought of me. Buuut, they did it as town. And then ended up bsing a lot of reasons to cover themselves. I have no idea why I think of them as town though, since scum could easily do the exact same things. So I need to find out why I feel they're town for it.

Need to re-read Killstic and Raziek tommorow, see what I get.

 

[Seikend]

6AM, I love you guys too much.


Night.

 

[#HBC | J]

Yeah I'm out as well. I'll be back to say some final things before the phase is over.

 

[Dooms]

I'm liking this Soup lynch!

A lot!

Especially after that replacing out post.

Will switch to Raziek after school if thats where the vote is going. Not voting Killstic at this point.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

...the **** is this.

Replacing out because your idea wouldn't work? This sounds like a bull**** way to get people to ignore you: by replacing out.

Besides, what person in their right mind would want to replace you? The slot will probably stay open until it gets modkilled.

unvote, Vote: soup