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[Pokechu]

Scum tactics are scum tactics for a reason. What you're talking about is just wifom.

Also, my evidence in Fate 2 wasn't weak, I was pushing Wolfie. Wolfie gurantees never has weak evidence to lynch him

Naaah, when Bard called me an idiot and vaan called him out, you suggested that we lynch vaan because of it

Felt really odd and out of place imo, your push for that lynch.

 

[Maven89]

Scum tactics are scum tactics for a reason. What you're talking about is just wifom.

Also, my evidence in Fate 2 wasn't weak, I was pushing Wolfie. Wolfie gurantees never has weak evidence to lynch him

wait I meant White? I think. The poisoner who told my teammate he was 3rd party then started killing townies because he thought it was funny.

 

[Fandangox]

It's a small read but I'm still working off the likelihood we received a Jailer with the mafia trying to push Poisoner. I also didn't like this question



I'm not really sure what he means, unless he's saying he wants me to post a bunch of theoretical outcomes of the combos, like "N1 they RB a Jailer but don't realize it, N1 they rolecop a VT. N2 they RB a VT and rolecop the busdriver. Night 3 they RB busdriver and rolecop the jailer, n4 they kill jailer, RB VT and RC VT", and on and so on? I mentioned that RC+RB fails as soon as one is lynched, Poisoner is good forever and 100% removes the jailer from our arsenal if we got it. I don't know what more he wanted. It came off as asking me for busy work

I think for what is worth that his reasoning for going for poisoner were valid enough, I just don't think the scenario he is presenting is very likely and I found the alternative far worse if it ended up happening.

 

[Maven89]

Naaah, when Bard called me an idiot and vaan called him out, you suggested that we lynch vaan because of it

Felt really odd and out of place imo, your push for that lynch.

I made a push to lynch vaan because he lynched Bard, not before. Either way, it's pretty irrelevant

 

[Pokechu]

I would like to know what gives you that impression considering there's almost no substance in most of his posts.

You are using a lot of meta reasoning for a game that just got started.

Mafia isn't only about the posts; it's about the personalities behind them as well. Nabe could be scum, but I don't see it or reason to worry about it now. As he pointed out, scum would want power, so him electing to not vote for the mafia roles counteracts that, and his general vagueness reminds me of games where he was previously town.

That and how his vagueness always manages to create content. I'm 99% sure that's what he was going for toDay.

 

[Pokechu]

I made a push to lynch vaan because he lynched Bard, not before. Either way, it's pretty irrelevant

How's it irrelevant? It's linking a previous scum play to one now.

It all happened in the same Day phase; take a seat look.

Just something I observed and thought to point out; it is D1, I wouldn't say it's a bad observation compared to other things that could be pointed out.

 

[Fandangox]

Mafia isn't only about the posts; it's about the personalities behind them as well. Nabe could be scum, but I don't see it or reason to worry about it now. As he pointed out, scum would want power, so him electing to not vote for the mafia roles counteracts that, and his general vagueness reminds me of games where he was previously town.

That and how his vagueness always manages to create content. I'm 99% sure that's what he was going for toDay.

What I am sure of is that you are making a lot of excuses for Nabe.

If you rely entirely on meta you lose sight of whats important.

 

[Fandangox]

i.e the actual ****ing posts made in this game

 

[Pokechu]

so yeah

my worries are maven, Z25, Third, Seph, and Fire

if you voted poisoner you're outta here

 

[Maven89]

How's it irrelevant? It's linking a previous scum play to one now.

It all happened in the same Day phase; take a seat look.

Just something I observed and thought to point out; it is D1, I wouldn't say it's a bad observation compared to other things that could be pointed out.

I listed like 5 reasons in that post and you're only focusing on one of them.

It's irrelevant because you're saying "his scum read is to lynch townies on poor evidence" but that's generally scum play, not really a meta read. Also my Nabe argument is not weak at all but 100% valid reason to vote for someone Day 1. If you think I'm scum vote for me

 

[Fandangox]

Like if I were to think of townplay being "Vague" in the hopes of creating content would not be the first thing that comes to mind, specially not in this setup where there's more stuff to pick apart from.

Pokechu I want you to point out exactly which posts from Nabe you foudn to be particularly townie and why

 

[Deleted member]

Does GoT count?

Understandable, I wasn't the first to mention why poisoner was better, but I definitely felt it was a better choice than rolecop, as rolecop synergizes better with roleblock, not to mention they have get more actions as stated earlier.
I really need to spend some time rereading the day 0, as my mind is kind of going blank in terms of what to look for currently.

Is GoT really the only one? But no I wouldn't consider it as people were mostly transparent in that game due to its nature.

Still, I think Chu might be onto something now that I remember past games. Not regarding Nabe though, I'm still pondering on that.
Chu himself though, well, we'll see how it goes.

For now

Vote: Z25

Don't feel particularly strong on anyone actually posting but Z25 smells fishy
Z25
I want a 10-page essay on why I should trust you by tomorrow.

 

[Pokechu]

What I am sure of is that you are making a lot of excuses for Nabe.

If you rely entirely on meta you lose sight of whats important.

Hmm. 'll play how I want, you can judge whether it's good or bad once we get results. It's not "excuses" if it's actual evidence and observations, but we're allowed our own opinions.

 

[Pokechu]

If you think I'm scum vote for me

I almost never vote LOL

I'm not voting when I've only been in the thread for 5 minutes, no thanks :x

 

[Maven89]

Pokechu is basically just saying "I think maven's push on Nabe is weak and he's scummy for it". I don't know why he attempted to make a meta read out of it

 

[Pokechu]

Pokechu is basically just saying "I think maven's push on Nabe is weak and he's scummy for it". I don't know why he attempted to make a meta read out of it

I'm not voting because I don't think there's enough actual evidence to label you as scum.

What's the problem??????

 

[Pokechu]

Fandangox this post

Something weird here.


Determining what's strange is left as an exercise for the reader.

then he tagged me specifically

and the context of these two posts

What do you think I'm onto?

What hadn't you noticed?

It's evident he's fishing for reactions to me

 

[Pokechu]

Even in GoT he was hands-on, ditching the vagueness entirely.

Nabe's usually only like this when he's town; because I know this after only a few months of playing with him, Maven capitalizing on this and wanting a lynch on him caught my attention. Do I think he has to be scum for that? No, it's only D1. But did it catch my attention? Yes.

 

[Fandangox]

Even in GoT he was hands-on, ditching the vagueness entirely.

Nabe's usually only like this when he's town; because I know this after only a few months of playing with him, Maven capitalizing on this and wanting a lynch on him caught my attention. Do I think he has to be scum for that? No, it's only D1. But did it catch my attention? Yes.

If you don't think Maven is scum for that then why did you bring up an example of his play where he was scum and compare them to this game's?

 

[Pokechu]

If you don't think Maven is scum for that then why did you bring up an example of his play where he was scum and compare them to this game's?

Since he could be scum. I'm not going to say he is, since it's one post, but it's also something I don't want to ignore.

 

[Fandangox]

Since he could be scum. I'm not going to say he is, since it's one post, but it's also something I don't want to ignore.

who is your biggest scumread as of this moment?

 

[Z25]

so yeah

my worries are maven, Z25, Third, Seph, and Fire

if you voted poisoner you're outta here

Says the one that voted to give scum a ****ing role cop.

That is a thousand times worse than poisoner. Poisoner sucks I fully agree, but its more manageable then a role cop.

Voting to give the mafia literal info on who should be killed is not okay in mind. So I wasn't changing that.

Is GoT really the only one? But no I wouldn't consider it as people were mostly transparent in that game due to its nature.

Still, I think Chu might be onto something now that I remember past games. Not regarding Nabe though, I'm still pondering on that.
Chu himself though, well, we'll see how it goes.

For now

Vote: Z25

Don't feel particularly strong on anyone actually posting but Z25 smells fishy
Z25
I want a 10-page essay on why I should trust you by tomorrow.

I still need my 50 page one from last game


But wow you changed fast for someone that said they'd have a little more faith in me. It's day one and there is hardly anything, anyone could say in defense. I'll answer whatever you say, but can I at least be told why I'm being suspected?

 

[Pokechu]

who is your biggest scumread as of this moment?

Z. Possibly Fire. That's just a hunch, though.

Says the one that voted to give scum a ****ing role cop.

That is a thousand times worse than poisoner. Poisoner sucks I fully agree, but its more manageable then a role cop.

Voting to give the mafia literal info on who should be killed is not okay in mind. So I wasn't changing that.

gross post

it's REALLY likely we have a jailer, so you're willing to invalidate a whole town PR? slimy :x

Vote Z25

 

[Pokechu]

sorry, I just didn't like that snark LOL

 

[Z25]

Z. Possibly Fire. That's just a hunch, though.

gross post

it's REALLY likely we have a jailer, so you're willing to invalidate a whole town PR? slimy :x

Vote Z25

Really likely? I hones't doubt it's really likely. Is it possible absolutely, but scum could just as easily not give us one. My guess is scum chose bus driver and day vig. Because those are super easy to control roles for scum to force the town to kill each other basically.

Just because we can have a jailer, doesn't mean it should be assumed we have one. And gross post does not invalidate my post.

Your really pushing hard here. Would you like to inform me why? Are you so confident in jailer because you helped choose it?

 

[Pokechu]

Really likely? I hones't doubt it's really likely. Is it possible absolutely, but scum could just as easily not give us one. My guess is scum chose bus driver and day vig. Because those are super easy to control roles for scum to force the town to kill each other basically.

Just because we can have a jailer, doesn't mean it should be assumed we have one. And gross post does not invalidate my post.

Your really pushing hard here. Would you like to inform me why? Are you so confident in jailer because you helped choose it?

LOL

hold my beer

LOL

omg....

wait

hold my beer

in two lines and a vote for you, you told me I was "really pushing hard"

hold my beer...... omg!!!!

and you don't think it's really likely we have a jailer??? it's either that or a tracker LOL

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

I don't know if it's Maven's personality but I really don't like him. His logic is kinda dumb. Like he got on Nabe for not voting for no reason. I think it's because Nabe posted? I also feel like he doesn't know how to answer questions or understand things. I literally asked him what he felt the difference between the two different scenarios and he just ignored it and then said "I already said stuff." Like I'm sensing zero effort from him.I feel like he doesn't read what others say, but at the same time expect others to completely understand him. But that doesn't make him scum I just think I'm going to have a terrible time working with him.

I also don't see how anyone can see Nabe as scum. He's my #1 town read atm. He's asked some really good questions. Like when he asked third what third thought Nabe was onto by asking game rulings. It felt like Third's comment was very forced and presumptuous as if he was trying to blend in and be in agreement when there wasn't anything going on at all.

I also don't like Z25. I feel like he's always on the defensive. I want to trust Nabe's opinion of him, but I'm failing to see anything good coming from him.

Vult Redux I'm kinda confused on how I was being "wishy washy" care to explain?

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Also J has been seen looking at the thread and hasn't said a word. It may be because he's busy, but I think if he had time to read he could have at least said something.

 

[Fandangox]

Z. Possibly Fire. That's just a hunch, though.

gross post

it's REALLY likely we have a jailer, so you're willing to invalidate a whole town PR? slimy :x

Vote Z25

Is that your only reasoning for chosing z25? Could you tell me why you think Fire might be scum?

 

[Pokechu]

Is that your only reasoning for chosing z25? Could you tell me why you think Fire might be scum?

Z didn't really contribute to the voting phase (at least I don't remember him having much of a presence there) and I don't think he really in depth explained why town should go poisoner and not role cop, for him to give me snark that I was one of the ones to vote role cop.

Fire as a whole has been playing really passively. Just has caught my eye, I feel like he tries a bit harder to contribute. It is D1 though, but I'm still spying with my little eye. I'll bring up some quotes

 

[Pokechu]

eh

a thread search would do you guys wonders

I might come back later and quote some posts I found odd or interesting from some players

but Fire has a whole hasn't contributed much, voting phase I feel he was just "there", repeating things that had been said, etc

 

[Pokechu]

who else shall I throw shade at

It felt like Third's comment was very forced and presumptuous as if he was trying to blend in and be in agreement when there wasn't anything going on at all.

I saw this too

2-day vig, I order you to shoot TK

 

[Pokechu]

and one more fistful of shade

let's see

I'd throw it at Seph but he made a good post

time to throw it on myself unvote Z vote Pokechu

 

[Z25]

LOL

hold my beer

LOL

omg....

wait

hold my beer

in two lines and a vote for you, you told me I was "really pushing hard"

hold my beer...... omg!!!!

and you don't think it's really likely we have a jailer??? it's either that or a tracker LOL

It’s not going for me. Your trying to reach and accuse those just for choosing poisoner. That’s really a stretch imo as mafia aren’t gonna bus a vote, they would space their votes between choices. And I gave you snark for giving me it for literally voting.

And I wasn’t active for two reasons.

1) I already mentioned it but I had 10 hours of school work to get though as well as baby sit last night. And I did about another 6 hours of school work tonight. College is rough.

2) I am far from versed in heavily discussing abilities and their uses/potential plays. I’d mix too much up to the point where I wouldn’t contribute anything meaningful, scum or not. And I’m not going to do that if I can’t actually help anyone.

I don't know if it's Maven's personality but I really don't like him. His logic is kinda dumb. Like he got on Nabe for not voting for no reason. I think it's because Nabe posted? I also feel like he doesn't know how to answer questions or understand things. I literally asked him what he felt the difference between the two different scenarios and he just ignored it and then said "I already said stuff." Like I'm sensing zero effort from him.I feel like he doesn't read what others say, but at the same time expect others to completely understand him. But that doesn't make him scum I just think I'm going to have a terrible time working with him.

I also don't see how anyone can see Nabe as scum. He's my #1 town read atm. He's asked some really good questions. Like when he asked third what third thought Nabe was onto by asking game rulings. It felt like Third's comment was very forced and presumptuous as if he was trying to blend in and be in agreement when there wasn't anything going on at all.

I also don't like Z25. I feel like he's always on the defensive. I want to trust Nabe's opinion of him, but I'm failing to see anything good coming from him.

Vult Redux I'm kinda confused on how I was being "wishy washy" care to explain?

I’m only the defensive because I literally get accused for little t know reason. This is five games in a row now and it’s frustrating, stupid and really shouldn’t be happening. Especially when every game I was actively scum hunting and offer a lot of info that would have helped if listened to. Hell i know you didn’t see last game but I was able to outline nabes entire scum plan as mafia and no thought he was scum despite all the evidence.

So yeah I play defensively and I don’t care what people think about that in all honestly. I’m tired of being a target and I try every time to help the town. I love playing but I hate being jumped on to the point where I really question more and more if I should even play.

As always I’m still not mafia and I doubt I ever will be. At most I’ll get a third party like animafia based on all the roles I’ve had which is a lot. Only one was actually scum and not even mafia. The odds just aren’t in my favor if I say so myself

 

[Z25]

Also I’m just going to throw my own reads out:

1) maven. Kind of aggressive but mostly towards nabe. Both are hard to read and can easily be mafia this game in my eyes.

2) I can agree with pokechu that fire is a lot less active but it’s also only day one.

3) sephiroth. Honestly seems like they are jumping on people just to pass judegement and make them look anti town without any real reason. I just don’t like this play style and it’s giving me scum vibes

 

[Thirdkoopa]

alrighty, busy with audio work tonight, but figured I'd pop in and see all this.

Mafia roles are whatever. We're picking a bottle of wine for the table when I'm the designated driver and ordered soda water and a coffee. I'll recommend something, but as long as the bill isn't hidden from me at the end of the Night, I don't care what they're having, because I have wine in the fridge already when I get home. And while they're busy choosing, I'm picturing the whole table naked.

As for talking to GLG, I was scoping it out to make sure that priority didn't affect the likelihood of a Jailer pick, and consequently reads on poisoner talk.

I mean, yes? But also, no. Mafia Roles are important, and as a townie, we should try to even the odds in whatever you think will be there

Elaborate or rephrase? I don't know how what I said prompted you to make this response.

I can get where you're coming from going after that whole Z25 train of thought, but, when I was trying to look at your posts, I wasn't really looking for scum just yet; I was looking to get roles.

Are you saying that you wish that I had voted Poisoner so that we would have gone Poisoner? Or are you saying that because I didn't vote Poisoner, it would have been easy for scum to switch it to Poisoner?

What I'm saying is your indecisiveness to lock it one way or another bothers me; I wish you had either voted Poisoner earlier or helped lock in Role Cop so Scum couldn't just come in and sway the vote. Does it make me think you're scum? No, but you claim that there was no way for you to change it. If you thought Poisoner was objectively the better choice over Role cop, overall, then there was a time to make that case for it. Now you've lost any chance to make that case.

Thankfully it was roles and not players; I'm going to keep a big eye on anyone who does this with players.

I need to sleep over this game but so far I'm thinking Fire's town, null on you and Vult, and I'm leaning towards Seph as Scum. Everyone else I'm still getting a vibe for or they're lurking (J/Kantrip).

 

[Deleted member]

Says the one that voted to give scum a ****ing role cop.

That is a thousand times worse than poisoner. Poisoner sucks I fully agree, but its more manageable then a role cop.

Voting to give the mafia literal info on who should be killed is not okay in mind. So I wasn't changing that.

I still need my 50 page one from last game


But wow you changed fast for someone that said they'd have a little more faith in me. It's day one and there is hardly anything, anyone could say in defense. I'll answer whatever you say, but can I at least be told why I'm being suspected?

You literally tried to vote for Hider, if you want me to trust you, then maybe don't vote the definitve worst role that anyone could choose in this game.

 

[Kantrip]

You literally tried to vote for Hider, if you want me to trust you, then maybe don't vote the definitve worst role that anyone could choose in this game.

What do you think of TTK so far and his thought process during the role selection phase?

 

[Kantrip]

~Town Reads~

I have no problem with Nabe and like his approach to Day 0, actually. I think his lack of a vote for role is the same as an endorsement for the status quo (or at the very least a resignation to it) and I agree with the direction the status quo went so I have no qualms in that regard.

My early thought process aligned with Maven, he only loses me in his disdain for Nabe but his thoughts on roles mirrored mine from what I saw.

Fandango's push reads as genuine to me, I see towniness in it though I disagree with his conclusion.

Z25 being the first to vote for roles and changing when others questioned his choices looks fine to me. Obviously his initial picks were not good but I personally don't see it as a scum play. I would be impressed if he was mafia confident enough to be the first to vote and try to influence the roles to be beneficial for his team, especially considering his response to people questioning his picks.

I also have a town lean on Pokechu although I admit it's mostly a gut feel. I like the confidence in stuff like the Nabe read and general vibe of being comfortable messing around in-thread.

 

[Kantrip]

...Unvote: One Shot Flip Hider since Mafia can jan their own lynch.

Alright, Poisoner, Roleblocker, and Rolecop. Those are the least worst.

Also I'm glad we're all in agreement that Disguiser is awful.

Did you initially think the Hider ability only worked on a Night Kill?

If it was only usable on Night Kills and not lynches, do you think it would have been a good play to give it to mafia?