PYP mafia! Game over!

[#HBC | Nabe]

Instead of calling him out, I wanted to see if anyone else would push the same.

As in, someone else pushing poisoner and hider?

You really thought some other player would push hider?

 

[Z25]

Oh. It didn't mean nothing, the opposite. I'm talking about what people said about Z25, not what Z25 said, which I think is innocuous.

I learn a new word from your posts every time lol. And I thought I had a pretty good vocabulary.



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Also Maven89 , your reasoning is a bit of a stretch.

I literally said I was open to changes I just need reasoning. If we go by that logic, you pushed just as much for scum to get a role cop. An OP as hell role that really shouldn't be in scums hands.

Say what you want about votes, but everyone is going to have a different opinion and for different reasons. Basing your scum reads on literally opinions isn't going to help much.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

I bet you would.

Oh that was meant to be 2 shot cop. Typo I didn't notice.

 

[Z25]

As in, someone else pushing poisoner and hider?

You really thought some other player would push hider?

On top of this I clarified why I had hider to begin with. I had mixed it up with other roles, and needed to re read to make sure I had read right the first time, which I didn't. I was swamped with class work yesterday so I didn't get to re assess my choices and read other's thoughts until today.

 

[Maven89]

As in, someone else pushing poisoner and hider?

You really thought some other player would push hider?

Several other people played around with the idea, so yes

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Oh that was meant to be 2 shot cop. Typo I didn't notice.

I was ready to call it a slip for whole minutes before I realized that you hadn't mentioned cop in that post.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

There's no game. I was interested as to why you'd think I was "onto" something, which sounds like you think that I've made a catch of some sort. I prompted you to continue, because you thinking I've made a catch at this juncture is both odd and specific. But you ended up at "I think that you're thinking of a specific set of roles." Since that's pretty different, I'm wondering how it could be possible that I've misunderstood you somewhere.

Thirdkoopa

 

[Fandangox]

It doesn't have as much to do with the solo player as it does the herd, though. Your comment is noted on this one, and welcome back, but being mystified and totalitarian isn't a response. You're well aware that I don't mean 'never', I mean 'after', so you should have something to say regarding the content of what I said rather than the form, even if that 'something' is an audible nothing.

I have no ****ing idea what this word salad is saying.

Its very simple, you brought something up as "There's something really odd about this guys! But I'll let you figure it out!" then never explain it when called out.

Why should I have something to say about it? You were the one that brought those comments up, so say what it is that you found so weird. And if you already did then point out where please.

Also can you elaborate on what you meant on your #146? Or is that what you wrote on #213

 

[Fandangox]

Scum wants to have a say, not a lack of one. As Maven said, what's relevant regarding voting is holding someone to an opinion, and I did give an opinion; what we gave out was fine. If you think that opinion was given too late into the Day, that's a slightly separate issue that you're welcome to untangle on your own, but "he didn't vote" is as non-specific as it is a non-issue.

There's no commitment with no votes.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Thirdkoopa

To clarify, if JK/RB A blocks JK/RB B, who blocks Role C, then Role C is never blocked, regardless of which of the two A is and which of the two B is. Is that correct?

Here.

I thought you were going to do more on it with the way you were talking. I was really hoping you did considering you don't like the Role Cop/RBer combo. You then... didn't put your vote down? Even though we could have changed it to Poisoner and I'm pretty sure the consensus was that we didn't mind the Jailer risk, bar Maven.

So... I get that you didn't want to sway a last minute vote or anything, but why spend so much time not voting and on not voicing your thoughts on the roles, especially when asking questions like these? That's what gets to me.

I don't think you're the scum we're looking for, at least, not now. I think there's bigger fish to fry during this day and I want to make sure everyone's talking.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Z25. It was his first post of the game, and when others told him otherwise, he changed the vote to suit. It's something in the response of others that seems anything but innocuous, and that's the question I posed to others.

I can get where you're coming from, but, at the time I was far more focused on getting the roles locked. I think now based on some of the reactions you can see why.

There's no commitment with no votes.

I'm gonna have to agree here. While I don't think it was that bad if you agreed, it would have been relatively easy to switch it to Poisoner, so locking in is good.

I say this more as a lesson for future lynches: I really don't want to run into a situation like Star Wars Mafia Day 1 if it's avoidable. If the mod is not allowing hammering on lynches we need to be clear about who the lynch.

Vote stays on Kantrip right now.

 

[Vult Redux]

I actually don't think there is an issue at all with Nabe's paper trail (so to speak). The "commitment" was letting the hammer go onto Rolecop. It's not ambiguous and he definitely wasn't trying to hide it. That's what lurking is for. People using that excuse should look at the players that voted and vanished because they knew things were going their way.

My only issue with Nabe is that I don't really like that he didn't flip the vote from Rolecop to Poisoner when he had the chance... Because Poisoner would have been a better choice.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

There's no commitment with no votes.

On a lynch, I'd agree with you. Go ahead and hold me to what I said. I'm good for it, chief.

Its very simple, you brought something up as "There's something really odd about this guys! But I'll let you figure it out!" then never explain it when called out.

You're well aware that I don't mean 'never', I mean 'after' [ ... ]

Why should I have something to say about it?

Fair enough, actually. I asked you what you thought about my poisoner post, not about that post, and then I assumed I had asked you about that post when you responded so negatively. That you have nothing to say about it is already more of a response than I had asked for.

Also can you elaborate on what you meant on your #146? Or is that what you wrote on #213

Yeah, the pick-up was 213. And I'll continue that line of thought with a particular read tomorrow morning, I just don't want to get into it tonight.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I thought you were going to do more on it with the way you were talking. I was really hoping you did considering you don't like the Role Cop/RBer combo. You then... didn't put your vote down? Even though we could have changed it to Poisoner and I'm pretty sure the consensus was that we didn't mind the Jailer risk, bar Maven.

So... I get that you didn't want to sway a last minute vote or anything, but why spend so much time not voting and on not voicing your thoughts on the roles, especially when asking questions like these? That's what gets to me.

Mafia roles are whatever. We're picking a bottle of wine for the table when I'm the designated driver and ordered soda water and a coffee. I'll recommend something, but as long as the bill isn't hidden from me at the end of the Night, I don't care what they're having, because I have wine in the fridge already when I get home. And while they're busy choosing, I'm picturing the whole table naked.

As for talking to GLG, I was scoping it out to make sure that priority didn't affect the likelihood of a Jailer pick, and consequently reads on poisoner talk.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I can get where you're coming from, but, at the time I was far more focused on getting the roles locked. I think now based on some of the reactions you can see why.

Elaborate or rephrase? I don't know how what I said prompted you to make this response.

I'm gonna have to agree here. While I don't think it was that bad if you agreed, it would have been relatively easy to switch it to Poisoner, so locking in is good.

Are you saying that you wish that I had voted Poisoner so that we would have gone Poisoner? Or are you saying that because I didn't vote Poisoner, it would have been easy for scum to switch it to Poisoner?

 

[Fandangox]

On a lynch, I'd agree with you. Go ahead and hold me to what I said. I'm good for it, chief.







Fair enough, actually. I asked you what you thought about my poisoner post, not about that post, and then I assumed I had asked you about that post when you responded so negatively. That you have nothing to say about it is already more of a response than I had asked for.

How would you get a response out of my lack of a response when you just admitted to not realizing you asked the question correctly?

Guys Nabe is scum.

During the Night 0 phase Nabe had no actual opinion on the mafia roles., and Im not even talking about the lack of votes. Rather than present to town why a certain combination would be better or worse for town, all Nabe did insinuate why mafia might go over a certain combination over the other without ever elaborating why would that be case like most of us have been doing.

[QUOTE="#HBC | Nabe, post: 22547845, member: 179412"Yeah, the pick-up was 213. And I'll continue that line of thought with a particular read tomorrow morning, I just don't want to get into it tonight.[/QUOTE]

This post lacks something and it is

SUBSTANCE

You really did not lay out your point of view for town to decide, and most of the question you have been asking are empty ones about what people thought you were onto.

You also had a good opportunity to let us know your mindset by answering thirdkoopa's #166, but you completely ignored it.

Vote: Nabe

 

[Deleted member]

Hey guys I'm back and I dunno but I think we should lynch Chu, I don't wanna break the rules

Vote: pokechu

 

[Vult Redux]

I reread again and as you all should expect from me I've changed my mind on things. I don't like Fire as much as I thought I did. His post that I quoted earlier (#212) didn't actually bring much new to the table because someone else already had said something similar. And I'm not a fan of his #220.

I don't like Fand's current vote and he should change it but I think he's town (#176).

I liked Maven's content because he actually brought up good points (#192, 198) so I guess I'm cool with him.

I don't like Sephiroths Masamune because he came off as wishy-washy and his interaction with Maven came off as we-rid. but I'm not voting yet because my reading comprehension is bad and I'm worried that I might have missed something.

ALSO I've thought about potential scenarios and I'm not sure the mafia had a strong opinion for Rolecop vs Poisoner ASSUMING there is a Jailer in the setup because they would be roughly equally strong (imo).

If there is no Jailer in the setup, the Rolecop voters and Nabe look way worse. These include Pokechu, Maven, Shishœ, Fandangox, kant, (and Nabe). Something to consider in the endgame.

 

[Vult Redux]

Vote: pokechu

okay I'll bite...

why?

also, what's your reaction to the roles selected? noah fence but it's kind of shady that you didn't respond about it.

 

[Deleted member]

okay I'll bite...

why?

also, what's your reaction to the roles selected? noah fence but it's kind of shady that you didn't respond about it.

I see you're new here so I suggest reading the Rule Thread
also that you dont know me yet so hi my names shish im your resident ****poster

*Serious mode on*
But answering your question, it's what I'd expect, no combination would make me satisfied so eh, I guess, at least it was one of the lesser evils. I dunno exactly what you mean with my reaction to them though.
Reading on what I missed today, I do think FE made a good point in that Poisoner gave them one less Night action to cover the Town that I didn't consider but at the same time, if we have a Tracker, that would make it harder for them to catch scum

 

[Maven89]

I'm good with lynching Nabe

 

[Maven89]

To clarify more, I didn't like the way he came into the game, I don't like his nonchalant attitude towards what roles the mafia got, I don't like how overly wordy and metaphorical he's being, and I don't like the way he's been avoiding and attempting to glance off all accusations instead of making any attempt to convince people otherwise. I find his whole play to be deflect, avoid, and garble.

 

[Deleted member]

What other games was Nabe scum? Besides the very last one, I mean. I wanna check something.

 

[Fandangox]

I don't like Sephiroths Masamune because he came off as wishy-washy and his interaction with Maven came off as we-rid. but I'm not voting yet because my reading comprehension is bad and I'm worried that I might have missed something.

Really? If anything their interactions look town to me as they were trying to convince each other of their point of view and gave valid reasoning each.

which actually makes me curious as to why Maven89 also has Sephiroth's as scum. Could you elaborate some more?

 

[Pokechu]

oh, this started

 

[Pokechu]

no way nabe is scum

 

[Deleted member]

oh, this started

I told you in our scum chat, now help me bus you

 

[Fire Emblemier]

no way nabe is scum

Why do you think its not even worth considering?

 

[Pokechu]

I told you in our scum chat, now help me bus you

shoot... my bad

you were supposed to stay silent though!!! maven, kantrip and I already got exposed, now they know the secret fourth mafia

 

[Pokechu]

Why do you think its not even worth considering?

I'm a master at townreading *points to Moy in Mayo*

His play here is eerily similar to his plays in Fate 2 Mafia, and scum!Nabe is too risky and active to hide behind these metaphors. He started his scum game pretending to be silenced and playing charades, that's nothing at all like what he's doing now.

 

[Pokechu]

Like, once Nabe started posting, I thought, "yay! A townie!"

 

[Deleted member]

I'm a master at townreading *points to Moy in Mayo*

His play here is eerily similar to his plays in Fate 2 Mafia, and scum!Nabe is too risky and active to hide behind these metaphors. He started his scum game pretending to be silenced and playing charades, that's nothing at all like what he's doing now.

He started last game playing charades and drawing attention to himself. Which is why I wanna check if that's his usual scum play or if that was an exception.
Because, well, he's certainly drawing attention but I'd hope Nabe wouldn't be dumb enough to have the exact same scum play two times in a row.

Like, once Nabe started posting, I thought, "yay! A townie!"

Ok Chu you're really making this hard for me

 

[Pokechu]

I'm more suspicious of Maven myself; I brought up Fate 2 and his plays here remind me of then as well, when he was mafia. During Fate 2 he attempted to push lynches on people with weak evidence that he attempted to "fluff" up.

To clarify more, I didn't like the way he came into the game, I don't like his nonchalant attitude towards what roles the mafia got, I don't like how overly wordy and metaphorical he's being, and I don't like the way he's been avoiding and attempting to glance off all accusations instead of making any attempt to convince people otherwise. I find his whole play to be deflect, avoid, and garble.

He's said he's good with lynching Nabe, but has he considered that this behavior is something a mafia would want to avoid? He's been playing with Nabe for far longer than I have, so wouldn't he be used to seeing Nabe play like this?

 

[Fire Emblemier]

What other games was Nabe scum? Besides the very last one, I mean. I wanna check something.

Does GoT count?

I reread again and as you all should expect from me I've changed my mind on things. I don't like Fire as much as I thought I did. His post that I quoted earlier (#212) didn't actually bring much new to the table because someone else already had said something similar. And I'm not a fan of his #220.

I don't like Fand's current vote and he should change it but I think he's town (#176).

I liked Maven's content because he actually brought up good points (#192, 198) so I guess I'm cool with him.

I don't like Sephiroths Masamune because he came off as wishy-washy and his interaction with Maven came off as we-rid. but I'm not voting yet because my reading comprehension is bad and I'm worried that I might have missed something.

ALSO I've thought about potential scenarios and I'm not sure the mafia had a strong opinion for Rolecop vs Poisoner ASSUMING there is a Jailer in the setup because they would be roughly equally strong (imo).

If there is no Jailer in the setup, the Rolecop voters and Nabe look way worse. These include Pokechu, Maven, Shishœ, Fandangox, kant, (and Nabe). Something to consider in the endgame.

Understandable, I wasn't the first to mention why poisoner was better, but I definitely felt it was a better choice than rolecop, as rolecop synergizes better with roleblock, not to mention they have get more actions as stated earlier.
I really need to spend some time rereading the day 0, as my mind is kind of going blank in terms of what to look for currently.

 

[Maven89]

Really? If anything their interactions look town to me as they were trying to convince each other of their point of view and gave valid reasoning each.

which actually makes me curious as to why Maven89 also has Sephiroth's as scum. Could you elaborate some more?

It's a small read but I'm still working off the likelihood we received a Jailer with the mafia trying to push Poisoner. I also didn't like this question

I understand you were vocal about your opinion, but you didn't explore the possibility of the decision you were advocating. Hence my question.

I'm not really sure what he means, unless he's saying he wants me to post a bunch of theoretical outcomes of the combos, like "N1 they RB a Jailer but don't realize it, N1 they rolecop a VT. N2 they RB a VT and rolecop the busdriver. Night 3 they RB busdriver and rolecop the jailer, n4 they kill jailer, RB VT and RC VT", and on and so on? I mentioned that RC+RB fails as soon as one is lynched, Poisoner is good forever and 100% removes the jailer from our arsenal if we got it. I don't know what more he wanted. It came off as asking me for busy work

 

[Pokechu]

He started last game playing charades and drawing attention to himself. Which is why I wanna check if that's his usual scum play or if that was an exception.
Because, well, he's certainly drawing attention but I'd hope Nabe wouldn't be dumb enough to have the exact same scum play two times in a row.

Ok Chu you're really making this hard for me

Aside from last game I don't think he's been scum, or any sort of third party role. I'm not worried about him now though. I'm more worried about Maven + whoever voted Poisoner.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

I'm a master at townreading *points to Moy in Mayo*

His play here is eerily similar to his plays in Fate 2 Mafia, and scum!Nabe is too risky and active to hide behind these metaphors. He started his scum game pretending to be silenced and playing charades, that's nothing at all like what he's doing now.

I doubt Nabe would do something like that again in the game right after it. Its something you can really only pull off once in a blue moon as its high risk.

 

[Pokechu]

I doubt Nabe would do something like that again in the game right after it. Its something you can really only pull off once in a blue moon as its high risk.

He wouldn't do it again, but I don't see Nabe pulling a 180 and being as abstract as he is now. He's usually only this abstract when he is town. Especially the first phase of Mario Mafia.

 

[Maven89]

I'm more suspicious of Maven myself; I brought up Fate 2 and his plays here remind me of then as well, when he was mafia. During Fate 2 he attempted to push lynches on people with weak evidence that he attempted to "fluff" up.

He's said he's good with lynching Nabe, but has he considered that this behavior is something a mafia would want to avoid? He's been playing with Nabe for far longer than I have, so wouldn't he be used to seeing Nabe play like this?

Scum tactics are scum tactics for a reason. What you're talking about is just wifom.

Also, my evidence in Fate 2 wasn't weak, I was pushing Wolfie. Wolfie gurantees never has weak evidence to lynch him

 

[Fandangox]

Like, once Nabe started posting, I thought, "yay! A townie!"

I would like to know what gives you that impression considering there's almost no substance in most of his posts.

You are using a lot of meta reasoning for a game that just got started.