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I feel like you're overreacting. You said yourself that it is not very useful. What happened from that post (#50) to this point?Such a bad choice though ...
Maven89
please give us some thoughts on things. Have you garnered any reads from Day 0?
#HBC | Laundry
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What about gheb specifically? Just the whole ST shenanigans?I feel like you're overreacting. You said yourself that it is not very useful. What happened from that post (#50) to this point?
Heaven: Zen
Pearly Gates: soup, Ranmaru, Laundry
Limbo: Ryker, Ryu, Orboknown, Maven
Purgatory: Gheb
Top - Down, Left - Right = Town to Less Town
All of his posts have been completely reasonable to me thus far. Your main qualm with him seems to be his lack of desire to discuss strategy, but I see nothing wrong with that. Soup has never been one for such talk -- he always left mechanical aspects of the game to me as hydra -- and he admitted that. Despite this, he still made an effort, clearly stated his preferences, and continued to push the game forward in his own way. This doesn't come off to me as fence sitting as you implied earlier, because he actually was contributing despite stating it wasn't his "cup of tea", rather than using it as an excuse to do nothing.uh
are we reading the same slot or
I'll try not to. Is there anything you disagree with other than your position? Also what changed from your #50 to the end of the day?Please don't be awful this time.
I'll hold off on answering this for now. But to be clear, Purgatory on that list is more a leads than scum section.
....Everything except Orbo basically.
Both of my top scumpicks leading into D1 did something at the end of it that made me back off their approach. I reread Soup's posts and it somewhat improved my opinion of him but even then, I'm still skeptical. You say he doesn't like to talk about the mechanical aspect of the game but outside of responding to me (and only after I prodded him in the first place), all of his talk is purely about the set-up but nothing about the people specifically saying these things. There's a lot of posts like this:
and this:
while this:
is his only extensive post on anyone in specific. Even then, he just sorta talks about me and doesn't really do anything with it. I don't get the impression he's here to help and is far more mechanical in his approach than I would care for. You're right, it's different than I previously thought, but I still look at his content and remain unimpressed.
I don't see why scum!Ruy makes that post. His point about Vanilla games is right and against the grain of the thread--most people were opting for the vanilla game at that time; however, I think the most significant point is that he turned that point and used it to question Ran. It convinced me he was actively scumhunting from a townie perspective rather than focusing on opportunistic pushes like scum!Ruy tends to default to.
Yeh, it's weak, but I think that's an argument of a townie. It's weird and wild and makes little sense but it comes off in the perspective of a crackpot theorist who's hyped up on his idea and thinks it'll win town the game (I know this, I've done it a lot). The rest of Maven's play is lackluster to say the least but maybe improved activity will help on that front.
Ryker, Zen, and I were pretty much ready to move onto D1, he could've said nothing and let the day progress if he were mafia and no one would've likely batted an eye. Instead, he posts these to ensure we have all the information we'll need (which I don't begrudge him for, I would've liked more out of Maven myself, hence why I prodded him to hammer). That earned him some town points from me. Yeh, it's weak, so I'm not willing to call him full town, but at the moment I'm leaning towards that.
I comply and share my sentiment saying that I agree with you. This is somehow not enough in your eyes, but it's against the point. What's bothering me is your stance now in lieu of this stance prior, which is an actual reversal.
And here's your reasoning:
Not saying you can't change your mind but...where did the original point go and what did you expect to do with it? Maven didn't even do anything different and I see nothing in your post that states how/why you changed your mind, it just sort of did. This is but one reason in my laundry (heh)-list of things that I have issue with you. You seem really nervous. You seem like you need to go out of your way to look presentable and create these overbearing arguments such as the ones you presented with BP (and what did you gain from that?) but everyone else is just so incredibly shallow. I really can't believe the people town-reading you right now. There's a reason I asked you about your ryker read because it made 0 sense, and it still does to me. A lot of the reads you've been pulling have either made 0 sense or they're based on loose meta such as Ryu being town because he's Ryu. I don't have any strong read on Ryu right now at all because I've seen him be both meticulous as scum and uncaring as town; I disagree.
#HBC | Laundry
you said you'd prefer poisoner if there's no AG claim, yet after everyone claimed you never brought it up, but still mentioned your plan as being completed. Why? We have several days left for the deadlineThis doesn't make any sense to me. How does your favorite role being VT have anything to do with this? Why is that a good reason to not have town PRs? Please answer this
Arguing against giving us an all vanilla game
What are your reads on Ryker, Ryu, and Maven?Everything except Orbo basically.
How are those two things related in any sense?
Maven89
if you find those who were for decoy suspicious, why do you have a town read on Orbo?
If he was against me all pregame how am i the only thing he isnt againdt now when essentially nothing has changedSo I'm in the process of moving and will be without home Internet indefinitely. I'll be able to make computer posts during slow periods at work, but will be using my phone for the majority.
What are your reads on Ryker, Ryu, and Maven?
How are those two things related in any sense?
1. I would have liked that answer in D0. When did you come to the decision of preferring poisoner by the way?
Where are you in terms of reads? I have no bead on you.Everything except Orbo basically.
He's been active and progressing the game at D0. That's just my D0 read, I am interested to know where he's at read wise today.
I don't see why you try to bring up statistics to me when I tell you that I prefer vanilla simply because I'd prefer people looking more at their actions during the day, since that's the information we can see with our own eyes, instead of guessing (possibly with wifom thrown in) with night actions and looking at night kills. I think this should be good reasoning enough. I mean we just came from a Maven game that had Vult*scum cleared by Nabe. That wouldn't happen in a Vanilla game.
