Puzzle League/Panel De Pon General (Former SSB4 Lip Support Thread)

[N. Onymous]

Keep in mind also that being Japan-only isn't an excuse to not make a character playable (see: Marth and Roy), or even not an Assist Trophy (Takamaru, Prince of Sable). Not being as popular in certain regions is also not an excuse (when Little Mac was revealed, Japanese fans were like "why? I mean, yeah, there was the reboot back in 2009, but... why?").

I won't get my hopes up, but Nintendo's going to run out of retro reps eventually.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Keep in mind also that being Japan-only isn't an excuse to not make a character playable (see: Marth and Roy), or even not an Assist Trophy (Takamaru, Prince of Sable). Not being as popular in certain regions is also not an excuse (when Little Mac was revealed, Japanese fans were like "why? I mean, yeah, there was the reboot back in 2009, but... why?").

I won't get my hopes up, but Nintendo's going to run out of retro reps eventually.

Marth and Roy were from a longer running series, and Roy specifically was only added as a last-minute clone. Takamaru was denied entry because he's an old character who was only in Japan.


Not being an Assist Trophy--or even a trophy--is pretty damn awful, though, despite the fact that we've got a couple of Captain Rainbow trophies, Lip's Stick, and Lip's Theme in the game, and have had Lip's Stick since Melee and Lip's Theme since Brawl. And especially since Panel de Pon is a long running Nintendo IP (even if the fairies were only in two games...)

 

[N. Onymous]

Taka's been in more stuff lately besides Smash Bros. Mysterious Murasame Castle has been out on Virtual Console for a while now, it's got a game based on it in Nintendo Land, and I think there's been talks of reviving the IP. For all we know, he might be promoted to playable status in 5mash.

And hopefully Lip can join him then. The fifth time's the charm, right?

 

[N. Onymous]

Is anyone still alive in here? I brought presents.

I still have to draw Flare's climbing sprites, but once that's out of the way, the in-game character graphics will be completely done.

 

[Deleted member]

Finally finished the head this morning, after taking a bit of a break. As of yet it's still untextured, but she finally has a proper mouth now.

 

[N. Onymous]

Earrings are too high up, they should be on the lobe instead of in the middle of the ear. Besides that, looks very nice!

 

[N. Onymous]

I hate these lulls. Nintendo please do something else with the fairies so we'll have less of them.

Just showing that the story's been changed, although it's not much more than a noun and pronoun swap. (Some rewording had to be done to keep the auto-wrap--yeah, an NES game with auto-wrapping text, weird--from screwing up the rest of the text.) Flare is small due to tile limitations: Toad on the title and slot bonus screens is 16x24 instead of 16x32 like the other characters, for some reason.

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Any idea what I should do about the enemies? I do want to change at least some of them, but I'm not sure to what.

 

[RouffWestie]

Any idea what I should do about the enemies? I do want to change at least some of them, but I'm not sure to what.

Turn Birdo into Yoshi and Mouser into Pikachu
I don't have any ideas other than that

 

[Laniv]

Ruby

Flare

 

[N. Onymous]

Really, really late reply, but:

Turn Birdo into Yoshi and Mouser into Pikachu
I don't have any ideas other than that

I'd rather not. Panel de Pon needs to be its own universe, not connected to any other, even tangentially. That's what I've been fighting for all this time. I'm not doing this or anything like it, even as a joke. Thanks, but no thanks.

...Coming back to this post, I realize it came off as a lot more acerbic than I meant it to. I was in a bad mood this morning, especially regarding Panepon and its future, so the tone of this post reflected that. Sorry. ._.

 

[N. Onymous]

Coming off of the E3 streams:

• I think, realistically speaking, that the new Ever Oasis game is the closest we're ever going to get to an official Panepon RPG for a very long time, if not ever.
• Apparently, Intelligent Systems doesn't want to revert to the old style of Paper Mario because "why not just play Mario & Luigi?" And Mario & Luigi is a pretty great series, but it plays completely differently and has an entirely different tone from Paper Mario in its heyday. I'm now starting to worry... what if the reason for the Panel de Pon drought is because Nintendo thinks "well why not just play Dr. Mario?"

 

[N. Onymous]

I've been trying to think of a way to revitalize the fandom for some time now. When you think about it, it really is us fairy fans against the world. Nintendo clearly isn't interested, everyone I try to rope into the fandom is more interested in the gameplay and doesn't care whether or not the fairies make a return appearance, there's not really enough of us to pull off something like Starmen.net's EB Siege...

I've got several different projects in the works right now, with the SMB2 hack being just one of them. I just... kind of wish everyone in this fandom had my level of enthusiasm/ambition.

 

[Laniv]

Source

 

[N. Onymous]

I like the darker skin, it sort of make her looks like she has a tan.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm not promising anything, but I'll try to get videos of the other unused characters (fairies and bosses) that are still in Pokemon Puzzle Challenge, by Sunday/early next week. Unsure how I'm gonna approach that though, either a short vid of every character individually or cutting all those clips together for a single, longer video. I just kinda wanna get this over with, to be honest. I know it's mostly PdP stuff, but I've just grown a bit tired of Pokemon for a while now.

 

[Deleted member]

Ok, I got some good and some bad news. The good news:

While I still don't know how to replace specific data of Pokemon, I can modify the character select screen. Even better, boss Pokemon picked this way won't crash the game either, something they did when used with cheats. That means it's possible to pick between 26 Pokemon (9 Standard + 4 Baby Pokemon + 8 Gym Leaders + 5 E4).

Now this is just me guessing, but I think it would be possible to add more than just 1-2 PdP in the ROM like this, as there are much more choices. Of course, like always, it depends on the size of the Pokemon to begin with.

As for the bad news, due to this, the video might be delayed until I write down the offsets for everything, compare the sizes and insert whatever is possible. It's kinda like a puzzle game in itself.

So, uhm, my question here is, would you guys mind a delay for something that might or might not even work out? Because right now, all of this is purely hypothetical.

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

I have something very special to share with you all. This is something made by another good artist on the boards (@Zem-raj), who is currently making Super Mario Maker sorties for any and every video game character available.

What do you all think? He really captured Lip and her daughter's designs well?

 

[smashkirby]

I have something very special to share with you all. This is something made by another good artist on the boards (@Zem-raj), who is currently making Super Mario Maker sorties for any and every video game character available.

What do you all think? He really captured Lip and her daughter's designs well?

This is BEAUTIFUL! The hype thickens! For real, @Zem-raj REALLY captured Lip and Furil's looks amazingly! I just hope this will bring in some supporters AND attract attention!

 

[Deleted member]

Dunno how many actually care, but I'm sad to say that I've reached my limit now. I found where the Pokemon data is stored, I know how to change the palette, stage, music, basically everything about the Pokemon directly in the ROM without the need for cheats, I even know how to change the graphics, but the problem is, I can't. I simply don't know how to convert the offset where the graphic is stored into the required hex values to actually load them.

I've never been good at math and especially not computer related stuff. I also asked my way more tech savvy friend, but he couldn't help me with that either. And google isn't any help as well.

 

[Deleted member]

Well, I'll just leave this here:

Spoiler

I kinda got things working in a roundabout way. It's not optimal, but it works... kinda. For some reason, the later Challenge Mode stages are kinda unstable and tend to crash. Everything else seems to work fine (Marathon, Puzzle, Line Mode, etc.) from what I could see. Can't test the 2 Player mode though, so dunno about that one.

But honestly, I'm thinking about just scrapping everything. Nothing works the way it should and it's pretty much just patched together. Doesn't really feel like the trouble is worth the end result. Maybe I invested way too much time into something people barely care about, if at all. Hell, even I don't really care about this anymore. I would give out an IPS patch, but I'd hate releasing something clearly unfinished.

 

[Arcadenik]

I wish Nintendo would just localize Panel de Pon... or at least change the name from "Tetris Attack" to "Yoshi's Attack" to get around the copyright issues with The Tetris Company... I really want to play that SNES game on Virtual Console.

 

[smashkirby]

You know it's not like I don't want to do more for Lip. I just can't think of anything that could gain momentum for her except for one thing: Lip being added to a notably big fangame, Super Smash Flash 2. And even then, I'm not sure THAT would help.

 

[Curious Villager]

Hey, I just made some higher resolution artwork from Panel de Pon (The one for the Gamecube). I thought you guys might like to see a few of them here.

I don't want to post too many in case this might cause a bit of lag for this page, but if you want to see more, I've posted the rest on Tumblr.

Anyway, It's been quite sometime since I last posted here, how have things been for you guys?

 

[Laniv]

In Japan, Panel de Pon is coming to New 3DS VC.

 

[smashkirby]

Hey, I just made some higher resolution artwork from Panel de Pon (The one for the Gamecube). I thought you guys might like to see a few of them here.

I don't want to post too many in case this might cause a bit of lag for this page, but if you want to see more, I've posted the rest on Tumblr.

Anyway, It's been quite sometime since I last posted here, how have things been for you guys?

Could I get the link to your Tumblr?

In Japan, Panel de Pon is coming to New 3DS VC.

Oh, really? Well, that's neat!

 

[Curious Villager]

Could I get the link to your Tumblr?

Sure

Here you go

For some reason, the artwork seem to look sharper there than here, I suppose Smashboards kind of blows them up a little when in quotation tags....

 

[FalKoopa]

In Japan, Panel de Pon is coming to New 3DS VC.

This is great news. Hopefully it will sell well enough for Nintendo to take note.

 

[RouffWestie]

Anyone ever heard of Super Plexis by Medley Studio? Apparently a game in development that's really similar to PDP.

 

[smashkirby]

Sure

For some reason, the artwork seem to look sharper there than here, I suppose Smashboards kind of blows them up a little when in quotation tags....

Thank you! Also, I see what you mean about the artwork looking somewhat sharper...I wouldn't worry about it. Besides, you're probably right. It's probably just SmashBoards' doing. Still though..I have to say, Furil could DEFINITELY pass as an alt. skin of her mother, Lip in Smash! They really DO look almost identical with VERY subtle differences between the two here and there.

Speaking of which, tell me something guys: Out of the two, which do you think would be an Assist Trophy for Smash? Lip or Furil?

This is great news. Hopefully it will sell well enough for Nintendo to take note.

I REALLY hope for that to be the case, but somehow, I doubt it.... (

Anyone ever heard of Super Plexis by Medley Studio? Apparently a game in development that's really similar to PDP.

Really? Hmm...I should give it a look-see sometime...

 

[Curious Villager]

Thank you! Also, I see what you mean about the artwork looking somewhat sharper...I wouldn't worry about it. Besides, you're probably right. It's probably just SmashBoards' doing. Still though..I have to say, Furil could DEFINITELY pass as an alt. skin of her mother, Lip in Smash! They really DO look almost identical with VERY subtle differences between the two here and there.

Speaking of which, tell me something guys: Out of the two, which do you think would be an Assist Trophy for Smash? Lip or Furil?

I think I'd rather they both be playable through alts of each other. I want Lip, but I also really like Furil's design.

Speaking of similarities. The upcoming Lady Layton game features a protagonist who kind of reminds me of a mix between Furil and Flora (of the original Layton games). Who the latter always reminded me of Lip. I don't know. It's probably their multi shaded hairstyle with the curl and ponytail with Flora that always reminded me of Lip's design. Although the similarities kinda ended there so I always brushed it off as a mere coincidence. Then comes in a new protagonist in Katrielle with less shaded but much more curlier hair, not to mention the theories going around that she might potentially end up being Flora's (and Luke's) daughter as well (much like Furil is to Lip) kind of makes me wonder if someone at Level-5 might actually be a fan of Panel de Pon....

But like I said, It's probably all just a coincidence. Eitherway, I suppose I wouldn't really mind seeing Level-5 develop a Panel de Pon game though....

 

[N. Onymous]

I could take to the 3DS Panel de Pon group, gaijin though I am, and doodle some fan art. One person alone won't bring in any new fans, but it'd be new material for FYPDP at least.

Furil as a Lip alt with different voice clips and character model has precedence in SSB4 with Bowser Jr. and Olimar. It'd be more feasible than having all of the fairies be alts of Lip, like I brought up earlier in the thread, since both characters are flower fairies. For an Assist Trophy, I think they'd aim for one of the more popular supporting fairies (inasmuch as any of them are popular outside the fanbase) more than anything, like Flare attacking with fireballs or Windy using wind to push the fighters around.

Looking at Katrielle, I can definitely see how she reminds you of Lip. From what I've seen of Level-5, they seem like a good secondary choice to develop a Panepon RPG if Alpha Dream wasn't available, though it seems like they're as busy with Yo-Kai Watch as Alpha Dream is with Mario & Luigi...

Super Plexis looks like a straight-up clone to me, at least from what little dev stuff I was able to dredge up. The panel designs are just barely not infringing. It shouldn't get them in any legal trouble, though, because that would require Nintendo to publicly acknowledge the Panel de Pon trademark which haha yeah right. (The character designs honestly don't appeal to me as much as Panepon's do, but very few character designs do.)

 

[RouffWestie]

So I was searching yet again for more Panel de Pon play-alikes and came across a PC game in development called Super Puzzle Sisters. It's cool that the character interacts directly with the puzzle pieces; a gameplay element more puzzle games should try to incorporate in the future. There's a lot of room for improvement with the art and animation, but so far it looks fun to play.
Let's see how many more I can find that have, "Super," as a prefix.

Super Plexis looks like a straight-up clone to me, at least from what little dev stuff I was able to dredge up. The panel designs are just barely not infringing. It shouldn't get them in any legal trouble, though, because that would require Nintendo to publicly acknowledge the Panel de Pon trademark which haha yeah right. (The character designs honestly don't appeal to me as much as Panepon's do, but very few character designs do.)

Yeah, it's a pretty blatant clone, especially considering how identical the panel designs are like you mentioned.

 

[N. Onymous]

Super Puzzle Sisters looks like Panel de Pon and Wario's Woods had a baby. I just might keep an eye on it.

 

[N. Onymous]

In light of recent events, I think I should ask a question: Would releasing, or even working on, a character/story-driven Panel de Pon fangame be a good idea into today's legal environment? I think it's safe enough since it's definitely a lower-rung IP and not something Nintendo seems to be planning on doing anything with outside of endless Virtual Console releases, but I'd like to get a second opinion on this.

 

[Curious Villager]

I think the best thing to do when working on a fangame is to not make too much of a buzz over it until you're near to completing it. If you announce working on it too early Nintendo may catch wind of it and try to shut you down as soon as possible.

At least, this seems to be the case from what I've seen of it. It also seems to be mainly in regards to their bigger franchises though so I would think they wouldn't mind too much if a fan game was made from one of Intelligent System's IP's such as Panel de Pon/Puzzle League....

Just my two cents I suppose.

 

[Itty Bit]

Duude, I just saw Super Puzzle Sisters, and it immediately reminded me of Panel de Pon.
I'm actually pretty excited for it. Something about colorful puzzle games that look cute as hell just rubs me in the right way~ <3

 

[N. Onymous]

That Western developers are working on puzzle games with cute female mascots is only a good sign, I'd wager. Between this and the largely female-led (in marketing, at least) Splatoon, it seems like soon literally the only excuse, if any, Nintendo will have for not bringing back Panel de Pon is "we don't know if it'll sell well." Which, fair, but if they put enough effort into it to create a game that appeals to a broad audience--say, maybe a Puzzle Quest-style Panepon RPG with a well-written, engaging story and lots of character development, all with cute fairy girls--and launch it with a marketing blitz along the lines of Pokemon or Yo-Kai Watch, I think they'd be surprised.

But I'm probably being overly optimistic again, heheh...

 

[RouffWestie]

I don't understand what the numbers in parenthesis in front of each title mean. And why does Panel de Pon have an N?

 

[N. Onymous]

Most likely, the higher numbers are the more downloaded.

This is just a guess, but I think the numbers are indicators of how many places a title gained from last time that chart was made, i.e. Pokemon Yellow was #2 last time and #1 this time whereas Etrian Odyssey V was #1 last time and fell six places to #7. "N" means that Panel de Pon didn't gain or lose any positions.

Panepon in the top 10 hype!

 

[FalKoopa]

In light of recent events, I think I should ask a question: Would releasing, or even working on, a character/story-driven Panel de Pon fangame be a good idea into today's legal environment? I think it's safe enough since it's definitely a lower-rung IP and not something Nintendo seems to be planning on doing anything with outside of endless Virtual Console releases, but I'd like to get a second opinion on this.

From this video:
From what we know so far, Nintendo only steps in when either

• You're selling the fangame for money.
• Your game can possibly affect the sales of Nintendo's games. (Like AM2R)
• You're passing off the game as official as opposed to a fangame.

You can rest easy.

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I checked out Super Puzzle Sisters - Panel de Pon-esque looks, Wario's Woods-esque gameplay, and Puyo Pop-esque Voice Acting? Wow. I'll keep an eye on this game. Will probably get it on release.