Project M Social Thread

[9Kplus1]

"Great TL"? Nah, Daze is garbage

 

[Professor Pro]

Marth, sheik, mario, fox, dk, link, tlink, lucario were the ones that stood out to me as difficult. I haven't played every MU enough to really give a definite opinion but it just generally felt like they were mostly doable, but not like I have an advantage.

Any videos of your Snake, since you are giving a very insightful list, it would suggest that you are at a decent or atleast tournament playable level with Snake and i'm just curious since I have a strong feeling you don't know how to play him from your statements and your list is based hugely on your abilities.

And Mario, DK, Link are not bad MU's at all lol....TLink can be debatable but he gets edgeguarded so hard by Nikitia's.
Lucario is the best in the game imo but after playing Fuzzyness I realized some of Lucario's flaw and exploit them and actually most of the time last tourn was beating him (the best character in the game losing to the worst :O)

 

[ELI-mination]

Vwins:

1.) Install and play the wifi-safe version
2.) Save a replay to your sd card
3.) The replay will be located in a folder called rp, somewhere in the private folder, with the filename like rp_576348 or something.
4.) Send this file to someone who isn't too lazy to record replays (plenty of people here in this thread)
5.) Get exposed

Come on, let us see the top tier.

 

[Professor Pro]

Wait....i'm confused, there's a way to save replays and upload them now?

 

[leelue]

lol

I don't think you should be calling anyone out for "theorycraft" because (no offense but,) you're pretty well-known as the biggest theorycrafter on smods. Not to mention that you called kink out and used more theorycraft to "counter" his theorycraft. >_> What are you even basing your own claims on?

I was wondering when this would happen
£getexposed

 

[MonkUnit]

Wait....i'm confused, there's a way to save replays and upload them now?

Only if you use the wifi build. Wifi build does not have the Cstick buffering stuff or light press on shield buttons. So you'd be sacrificing those 2 things to get replay files

 

[Professor Pro]

Vwins:

1.) Install and play the wifi-safe version
2.) Save a replay to your sd card
3.) The replay will be located in a folder called rp, somewhere in the private folder, with the filename like rp_576348 or something.
4.) Send this file to someone who isn't too lazy to record replays (plenty of people here in this thread)
5.) Get exposed

Come on, let us see the top tier.

What do you mean by send the file to someone who isn't lazy to record replays.

Edit - ohhh, just saw the post above me and fair enough

 

[DMG]

DDD, Fox, Falco, Wolf, Puff, Sheik, ROB, Link, Toon Link, Ganondorf, Mario (even), Peach, Marth (even), and Sonic.

Take Ganon off that list. He loses to Ike. I'd also switch up Mario and Marth. Mario might lose to Ike, and Marth might beat him. The ones that stick out the most for dealing with Ike are Fox Shiek and Marth in all honesty. Peach too, but I feel like you'd have to be a solid Peach player to begin with before it's like that. You wouldn't have to be a great Shiek to grab Ike and Fair him, but to float cancel and apply pressure up close like Peach has to would require more skill and a better than average grasp of the character imo.

 

[ELI-mination]

Prof you need to actually record the replays after you save them if you want to play them back on your computer. I was saying if he's too lazy to do that he can send the replay to someone who isn't.

#LetsSeeThisLucario

Also if Ike bthrows Wolf offstage, Wolf is dead.

 

[PGH Carroll]

Everybody loses to Ike

 

[bubbaking]

oh man
this guy just tried to ****talk vwins
and he doesn't even know who he is... and then...

LMAO! exposed so hard! god damn

bubbaking please stop before you embarrass yourself further.

Strong Bad, I'm perfectly aware of who Vwins is. It was blatantly obvious that I was trash-talking just to mess with him. If you look at my previous posts about such matters, I'm never serious. I throw insults at other regions all the time. I completely MADE UP the 10 Canadians better than him part, and I thought Vwins understood that and that was why he didn't reply (or maybe he just didn't feel like responding, who knows). I honestly didn't think that anyone had taken my post seriously, but I guess foshio proved me wrong...

Edit: If it helps, my two hashtags gave away that I was just out for some honest fun:
"#LucarioLikesMeMore
#TrashiestTalkOfTheEast"

I just wanted to chime in and say that I've played the Zelda vs TL mu a fair amount against Meta, and KinkLink is actually correct. The MU is pretty silly and just involves a lot of spamming and either side gets easily punished by approaching. It could just be that we are both very campy players and our playstyles makes my view on the MU biased, but it was extremely campy whenever we played it. I've also played the MU with Lolikanon who finished 4th at the last gameclucks tournament I hosted, and it went pretty much as kink said.

I don't think you should be calling anyone out for "theorycraft" because (no offense but,) you're pretty well-known as the biggest theorycrafter on smods. Not to mention that you called kink out and used more theorycraft to "counter" his theorycraft. >_> What are you even basing your own claims on?

Are you kidding me? I play against a Zelda all the time and Ben Grimm's Zelda is great enough that I can see certain qualities that would be useful in MUs. Granted, I don't main TL so I guess technically, I did theorycraft, but I have tinkered around with TL and, as I said, I play Ben's Zelda all the time. If there's a char I'm not theorycrafting about, it's Zelda. And I find it hard to believe that I'm seen as the biggest "theorycrafter" when I provided video evidence to describe what I was talking about the last time I had a (serious) discussion with someone about something here. Granted, I'm not a good player or anything, but when someone actually brings in footage of himself to prove a point, I think it already disqualifies him from winning the "Biggest Theorycrafter" award.

But you know, it's not like I'm trying to join the PMBR or anything. I'm just out to get good at a game. Some other people, though, who have definitely backed their words up with tourney matches and results, I don't know about them....

#[REJECTED]

Also if Ike bthrows Wolf offstage, Wolf is dead.

No, you're theorycrafting.

#ITT

 

[UltiMario]

No, you're theorycrafting.

Wolf is dead if he gets bthrown by like anyone offstage

dat fallspeed

 

[BJN39]

Okay, here are some vids that I think show the MU nicely: (even though fox players could probably use this also to argue their advantage too)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGPpQnoECaw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFW3EBa3Tv4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5QY5RvHmIA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeoLwzTsYak

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6Q-Ji3lK0U

and this is the one that is really homo reflector use wise, but might not be as effective at top level:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuSrfJj-nH0

Of course this MU could be slightly fox's favor, but IMO only beause of Usmash and Uair being broke.

 

[bubbaking]

Wolf is dead if he gets bthrown by like anyone offstage

dat fallspeed

Lolz, I know. Eli and I were talking about it earlier and it happened in some matches between us. Ike gets stupid free stuff on Wolf for bthrowing or dthrowing him near the ledge.

/e Thanks for explaining, I don't think I agree about ROB though
Also, your post would look less provocating if you would put an "IMO" or so there. These are not facts '-'

Everyone here should probably do that.......IMO.

#EveryoneKnowsItAllApparently

I was wondering when this would happen
£getexposed

Get lost, buddy!

#[EXPOSED]

 

[bubbaking]

Sorry....
10 sorries

 

[ELI-mination]

Vwins get on those replays!!!!

 

[bubbaking]

Never tried this and I'm not in a position to turn on my Wii, but does anyone here know if Falco can recover from a fully charged Ike fsmash at 0% at the edge of DL64?

#JustWondering

 

[victra♥]

Prob since Ike op

 

[Sanity's_Theif]

DDD, Fox, Falco, Wolf, Puff, Sheik, ROB, Link, Toon Link, Ganondorf, Mario (even), Peach, Marth (even), and Sonic.

No way, he has too much range and power, I can see some but not that many, I don't think Link does, I just throw boomerangs and AGT bombs until I think it's safe to approach, otherwise I'll eat a N-air or dash-attack or F-air, Z-air spaces pretty good but killing Ike is tough, I seriously don't know what to do about his Up-B getting back on the stage

Take Ganon off that list. He loses to Ike. I'd also switch up Mario and Marth. Mario might lose to Ike, and Marth might beat him. The ones that stick out the most for dealing with Ike are Fox Shiek and Marth in all honesty. Peach too, but I feel like you'd have to be a solid Peach player to begin with before it's like that. You wouldn't have to be a great Shiek to grab Ike and Fair him, but to float cancel and apply pressure up close like Peach has to would require more skill and a better than average grasp of the character imo.

I agree with this

Okay, here are some vids that I think show the MU nicely: (even though fox players could probably use this also to argue their advantage too)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGPpQnoECaw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFW3EBa3Tv4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5QY5RvHmIA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeoLwzTsYak

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6Q-Ji3lK0U

and this is the one that is really homo reflector use wise, but might not be as effective at top level:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuSrfJj-nH0

Of course this MU could be slightly fox's favor, but IMO only beause of Usmash and Uair being broke.

I never have trouble fighting Fox with Zelda, you up-throw at low % and you get 3 free upsmashes lol and I abuse the **** out of neutral-B

 

[Sanity's_Theif]

damnit double post my bad

 

[bubbaking]

Actually, I think Link is probably one of your best non-spacee bets at taking out Ike. I definitely don't think DDD's in that list. Ike has comparable range, better ground speed, comparable aerial speed, and much more disjoint. Yes, DDD can gimp Ike, but I don't see how DDD's supposed to do anything at neutral.

#DDDSucks

 

[GP&B]

**** "IMO". At least make an attempt to have your posts sound like they're coming from your perspective and that will come off better and not have weak acronyms slapped onto the end of every thought. Starting thoughts with "Well, in my experience", "I feel that/think that", "From what I've seen so far", or "What I've found" give the idea that it's a conclusion you've come to from your perspective without having to remind everyone that, yes, it is your opinion.

#englishmother****er

 

[bubbaking]

Yo, this hash-tag thing should become the new standard.

#IHateYouEli

 

[Sanity's_Theif]

**** "IMO". At least make an attempt to have your posts sound like they're coming from your perspective and that will come off better and not have weak acronyms slapped onto the end of every thought. Starting thoughts with "Well, in my experience", "From what I've seen so far", or "What I've found" give the idea that it's a conclusion you've come to from your perspective without having to slap what comes off as a poor defense to the end of it.

#englishmother****er

Who are you talking to?

Actually, I think Link is probably one of your best non-spacee bets at taking out Ike. I definitely don't think DDD's in that list. Ike has comparable range, better ground speed, comparable aerial speed, and much more disjoint. Yes, DDD can gimp Ike, but I don't see how DDD's supposed to do anything at neutral.

#DDDSucks

I thought so at first because of projectiles, but damnit my friend reflects ALL of them with powershielding so I'm screwed

 

[GP&B]

Damn page moves too fast for me.

 

[bubbaking]

I think he's talking to me...

I thought so at first because of projectiles, but damnit my friend reflects ALL of them with powershielding so I'm screwed

Oh, uh, then Lucario...

#He'sAllYouEverWanted

 

[GP&B]

Although I literally posted after a post of yours that demonstrated perspective input perfectly. I just don't like "IMO" as a whole. It feels defensive rather than constructive.

 

[Sanity's_Theif]

I think he's talking to me...



Oh, uh, then Lucario...

#He'sAllYouEverWanted

I'm pretty sure he reflects those too, he reflects Falco's lazers every time I try to approach with them and even when I try camping with them :/

 

[ELI-mination]

I'm a warrior

#RageQuit

 

[victra♥]

I'm a warrior

#RageQuit

Lmaoooooo exposed so hard

 

[iLink]

Lucario doesn't need his projectiles against Ike. His dash dance and DT alone make the MU hard for Ike.

 

[bubbaking]

Although I literally posted after a post of yours that demonstrated perspective input perfectly. I just don't like "IMO" as a whole. It feels defensive rather than constructive.

But defensive is the way to go in this spacee-centered metagame...

#IMOYou'reRight

I'm pretty sure he reflects those too, he reflects Falco's lazers every time I try to approach with them and even when I try camping with them :/

Uh, I don't think you're supposed to be focusing on shooting AS at Ike. Lucario's CQC game ***** Ike and he has the mobility and tools to avoid janky crap.

Edit: Yes, as iLink said, DT is one of those tools.

 

[9Kplus1]

I definitely don't think DDD's in that list. Ike has comparable range, better ground speed, comparable aerial speed, and much more disjoint. Yes, DDD can gimp Ike, but I don't see how DDD's supposed to do anything at neutral.

Ike getting through DDD's aerial bombardments and closer-to-the-ground walling is one of his main problems in this MU. Ike is one of the few non-projectile characters which I have no problem jumping over and Dairing or walling with tilts / Bair / Fair. Moreover, the offstage portion of this MU is much more significant than what you're making it seem; due to DDD's options and Ike's predictable recovery, Ike being away from the stage is usually a free stock. Getting Ike offstage isn't much of a problem either with DDD's obnoxious grab range and ability to rather easily push and pin characters to the edge. Does everyone from NY hate fat penguins?

No way, he has too much range and power, I can see some but not that many, I don't think Link does, I just throw boomerangs and AGT bombs until I think it's safe to approach, otherwise I'll eat a N-air or dash-attack or F-air, Z-air spaces pretty good but killing Ike is tough.

Just camp. From my experiences, camping with good projectiles stops Ike.

I seriously don't know what to do about his Up-B getting back on the stage.

Limit Ike's options at the edge with projectiles if he's attempting to go for the sweetspot with Aether. Otherwise, you can just Dtilt / Dsmash / SA.

Take Ganon off that list. He loses to Ike.

I'd like to argue against this. With access to decent CQC options, great mix-ups, ranged and edgeguarding tools, Ganon is more than capable of taking on Ike. I'd love some enlightenment on why Ganon supposedly loses, though, as my Ganon is subpar at best; I only know enough about the character to correctly play the MU (i.e, only a portion of Ganon's stats, his intended playstyle, more known tricks, etc). Whenever I try that MU, it feels as if a lot of Ike's bs can be played around, bringing it closer to even, if not in Ganon's favor.

Peach too, but I feel like you'd have to be a solid Peach player to begin with before it's like that. You wouldn't have to be a great Shiek to grab Ike and Fair him, but to float cancel and apply pressure up close like Peach has to would require more skill and a better than average grasp of the character imo.

Is that really relevant? If both players are on equal terms in regard to their respective skill levels and proficiency with their characters, the MU wouldn't be any better or worse for Ike.

 

[bubbaking]

Does everyone from NY hate fat penguins?

Uh, I main DDD in vBrawl...

Why'd you have to call me an ***-**** for that completely un-offensive post?

 

[9Kplus1]

"***-***" is a face

 

[bubbaking]

Oh.
10ohs.

I'd like to argue against this. With access to decent CQC options, great mix-ups, ranged and edgeguarding tools, Ganon is more than capable of taking on Ike. I'd love some enlightenment on why Ganon supposedly loses, though, as my Ganon is subpar at best; I only know enough about the character to correctly play the MU (i.e, only a portion of Ganon's stats, his intended playstyle, more known tricks, etc). Whenever I try that MU, it feels as if a lot of Ike's bs can be played around, bringing it closer to even, if not in Ganon's favor.

Uh, I know he's the ragequitting warrior and all, but Kage doesn't like fighting Ike with Ganon, IIRC. As a Ganon expert, I think he should know a thing or two about Ganon's shortcomings in this MU.

Does everyone from NY hate fat penguins?

Uh, I main DDD in vBrawl...

I think Atomsk, one of the best DDD's is from NY as well, but don't quote me on that. I only know LI players well.

Oh, I was always wondering this, and BrawlBox doesn't work on my computer. How strong is DDD's fully charged sweetspotted fsmash? It used to be the strongest move, period, in vBrawl...

#DoesHeLoseToIke?

 

[SpiderMad]

You need the .Net framework for Bbox to work, http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=17851

If this is your first time with Bbox after it works, you need a D3 texture, and then just open the two .pac files from a P:M install for the drop downs of "Animations" and "Move set?" for D3 in his fighter folder

 

[Nintendude]

You guys should stop theorycrafting so much and start getting hyped / making predictions for Big House 2 instead. Yes, it's only a 32-man bracket, but there's a really interesting mix of players including Midwest's finest plus Chillin, Fly, Hbox, myself, and others. Personally, I have absolutely no idea what the outcome will be.

edit: Atomsk is NJ, but tristate is all the same thing imo.

 

[9Kplus1]

Oh, I was always wondering this, and BrawlBox doesn't work on my computer. How strong is DDD's fully charged sweetspotted fsmash? It used to be the strongest move, period, in vBrawl...

Third strongest in the game iirc

 

[PGH Carroll]

Yeah Ike's anything
Ike's anything again
And the d3 f smash

Is how that goes I think