Project M Social Thread

[I R MarF]

Bomb jumping is supposed to be a last resort, life saving technique, mainly because its so do-or-die.
It shouldn't be a main recovery option for TL, especially when you're just going for gimps.
I love the offensive buffs TL has gotten, but lets face it, he's still gonna have a tough time killing, he needs a decent offstage game as well.
Fox, Falco, Marth and Sheik are still gonna make it really rough on him.
Why not just change the move but retain the recovery distance?
Smash 64 Link has a pretty sick offensive game when employed correctly, but his recovery is the number one reason he's bottom tier.

First of all, both Links aren't offstage characters. Uair and Dair are suicide offstage, nair is 40 frame move, you'd really only used like 3 feet away from stage, and I guess Tlink has fair and bair... but the former would probably be for high recoveries and the latter for ledgehops.

Please stop acting like Young/Toon Link has lost his most precious tool when it was kind of mediocre from the start. If you can't successfully Double Jump Nair and up-b... or nair, jump to walljump and up-b in P:M, then yeah, I would agree he could use a slight buff to his vertical recovery, otherwise, I fail to see exactly what has been lost in his offstage department.

Also, I have a real difficult time conceiving Tlink having a hard time killing. Especially if he has a slightly stronger Ylink dsmash (which is a monster a high percents). and I imagine fsmash, fair, and bair would all be viable kill options. Plus his bomb to dair and dthrow to dair are stupid good. Not to mention just how good his zoning game is.

 

[`dazrin]

^I agree. Toonlink will not have problems killing. UP-B is a huge kill move that can be perfectly link into a downthrow, fsmash and upsmash have been made into viable kill moves (which YL's weren't even usable moves) and he keeps his bread and butter gimpy dsmash and the fact that all his aerial moves can KO further supports this (step1: get player offstage step2: go to edge and bomb upthrow step3: pull out another bomb step4: throw bomb, ensuring a hit->fair/dair/bair/nair/uair/up-b).

TL has LOADS of kill power.

 

[BRLNK88]

BRLNK, have you actually played the new toonlink?

I used to be heavily opposed to the ****ty recovery, but afterplaying with it, it really isn't that bad. It's workable. Bomb-jumping is an essential now, which is actually great for the character if you think about it, adding a layer of depth and difficulty to the character that wasn't previous there before.

Like I said before, it IS ****ty recovery, and I hope he'd get it buffed to maybe a bit less than marth, but it's completely fine if that doesn't happen. He can still have an "offstage game" using his projectiles. He's amazing as it is. I'm with Cubal when he says that it's not the fact that he has a bad recovery that bugs me, it's just the fact that it wasn't part of YL's playstyle, since YL would go diving offstage for the aggressive kills all the time. It's fine though, the offensive buffs are more than enough to make up for it ^_^

->Even with all that being said, I still predict TL will be near the bottom of the tierlist in project:M mostly because he still gets ***** by top tiers. But I couldn't care less, I'll be using him no matter what :D Come at me brahz

I have tried the new TL extensively, and I stand by my statements, keep the offensive buffs but keep the recovery distance as well. Falco has a bad recovery, but his offensive/defensive game makes up for it. I doubt TL will ever have the offensive capabilities of Falco.
And him getting ***** by top tiers defeats the goal of balancing the cast just so that doesn't happen. If people really couldn't care less, the developers would put no effort into improving the low tiers. I quit playing Link and YL in Melee because he gets ***** by the characters 90% of people main, I DON'T WANT THE SAME THING TO HAPPEN IN PM.

>_>

 

[hotdogturtle]

"Milk bags"
"Fun bags"
"Jigglypuffs"
"Skinlicks"
"Dirty Pillows"
"The higher ups"

Take your pick

I pick Jigglypuffs.

 

[`dazrin]

I have tried the new TL extensively, and I stand by my statements, keep the offensive buffs but keep the recovery distance as well. Falco has a bad recovery, but his offensive/defensive game makes up for it. I doubt TL will ever have the offensive capabilities of Falco.
And him getting ***** by top tiers defeats the goal of balancing the cast just so that doesn't happen. If people really couldn't care less, the developers would put no effort into improving the low tiers. I quit playing Link and YL in Melee because he gets ***** by the characters 90% of people main, I DON'T WANT THE SAME THING TO HAPPEN IN PM.

>_>

then don't play him. sup? :D

No matter what people say, Shadic once said that as long as he's in control, TL will always have a **** recovery.

I guess we gotta deal with it

 

[Cubelarooso]

Shadic once said that as long as he's in control, TL will always have a **** recovery.

Then took his balls out.
Thanks for reminding everyone.
About Shadic's balls.

 

[kaizo13]

TL does not have trouble killing

end of story

 

[Archangel]

I don't think their problem is with bad recoveries, if they're on appropriate characters. But rather, it's that having a bad recovery is not part of YL's established playstyle.

since he has no established play-style I guess you are right. Make him a human Falco I say .

 

[Kink-Link5]

YL's playstyle is pretty easy to identify. "Space with bombs and boomerangs, do more bomb tricks, and do bomb->dair for the kill."

 

[Kink-Link5]

Link's is slightly more complex than that, but you can basically switch "Bomb" and "Boomerang" around and it's kind of the same. Not really but kind of.

 

[`dazrin]

you can also squeeze in dsmashes wherever you can and run offstage to nair them into oblivion :D

 

[9Kplus1]

Dunno why people are underestimating Tink's tether and aerial mobility. So long has Tink's recovery is versatile, he doesn't need any large changes in that particular area (wouldn't mind Dthrow having low KBG so it can combo into Up-B for longer).

EDIT: Skinlicks? WTF?

Because tongueplay is one of the best things in the world

 

[Kink-Link5]

Speed up the end lag on Celda's Down throw and he can have smash64 combos from it.

 

[`dazrin]

I'm pretty sure you can already dthrow -> up-b on TL:M, 9k! O:

 

[9Kplus1]

I want for it to work on Puff at 150%

 

[Kink-Link5]

For reals though, increase the BKB and make it have like no endlag and he can do any aerial afterward without it chain grabbing.

 

[Shadic]

I want for it to work on Puff at 150%

It does. Don't mess with TL's Dthrow. He's the best.

 

[Giygacoal]

Have you guys ever considered a healing Aether for Ike? It's more canon.

 

[Vigilante]

So I went to the first day of Polybash XI and the response was good. We had poeple who came just to play Project M, and Melee players in general were highly impressed. ThatGuy (Joel) and SS9 are pretty legit, and I'm pretty sure I'll get Kage to play us tomorrow and test our more recent Ganon build.

 

[`dazrin]

^Great to hear! P:M really seems to be picking up steam as we near the release date!

 

[Vigilante]

Lol, unfortunately for kage, he lost to Bam in the Melee finals, but he did pretty good. Honestly, they were pretty evenly matches and he lost by a very small gap.

Also, I'm sorry I couldn't stream, but it seems that the Internet conection is being prett ymuch used up by StarCraft 2 and League of Legends lans ans it was so slow that my stream was going to be terribly laggy.

By the way, I know poeple rarely hear about Yoshi here for some reason, so I figure I should tell you that he was heavily praised by all who tried him. Get hype.

 

[Virum]

Have you guys ever considered a healing Aether for Ike? It's more canon.

There's a line between canon and balance. Having a healing Up B would cross that line by miles. It's the kind of thing you see in Brawl-, which is at a totally different level of balance than P:M.

 

[Giygacoal]

Well that depends on how much percent it heals by. If it's like 3%, I don't see it crossing the line by "miles". It could be more of an easter egg than a thing that actually effects the game. But if you say so...

 

[Kink-Link5]

I love how hard ideas for Minus and ideas for PM are to tell apart sometimes.

 

[Virum]

It would still come off as very gimmicky though, since Ike's Up B isn't exactly a hard to use or land move. And besides, Ike already has a badass easter egg.

 

[nawgui]

It would still come off as very gimmicky though, since Ike's Up B isn't exactly a hard to use or land move. And besides, Ike already has a badass easter egg.

Mmmm, that easter egg is tasty

 

[`dazrin]

yo nawgui, i tried adding you and the other WA guys on HoN.. none of you responded. lololol :]

question: TL's shieldpoke dtilt still has the same properties as the old one, right? Like, it spikes if you hit someone below the blade and it pops people up it if its above?

 

[XkaruX]

Hey guys, I'm from the SpikeBrothersSSBB youtube channel (the one that used to upload smash tas matches), and I wanted to tell you that I can do Project M TAS now.

What would be an interesting thing to do? (Demo 1)

 

[JCaesar]

Could you wait a month or so for Demo 2 to be released?

 

[XkaruX]

Probably will be busy with uni, but yeh, maybe.

 

[I R MarF]

Would the P:M team ever consider adding new advanced techniques to P:M?

 

[JediKnightTemplar]

They should. I can't imagine why they wouldn't.

 

[Strong Badam]

aerial glide tossing...?

 

[Utterrandomness]

How about rage quit cancelling?

 

[9Kplus1]

Cu(h)m Cancelling is pretty much needed for success with MK:M

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

Air dash and air tech? ¦D

 

[leelue]

Well that depends on how much percent it heals by. If it's like 3%, I don't see it crossing the line by "miles". It could be more of an easter egg than a thing that actually effects the game. But if you say so...

There is a general dislike for healing moves (that I don't understand).

 

[Wavebuster]

Sheik's NTSC dthrow should heal... the opponent.

 

[OmegaMuffin]

There is a general dislike for healing moves (that I don't understand).

Ivy's pummel says sup.

 

[I R MarF]

I think it would be cool if there was a tech that allowed you to instantly land on platforms without having to waveland or WD down.